How The MCU Can Avoid Marvel's BIGGEST Problem

[@Reubengotgame]

"Comic book readers are being forced to buy crossover books." That is is the single-biggest reason why I have stayed away from comics over the years. I don't want to have to buy multiple issues just to finish the story. It's why I will wait until the complete story is available in a single book.

[@Nerdstalgic]

Yeah, on the Big Two front it's a BIG bummer. That being said there's literally thousands of indy or non-big two comics out there that you'd probably love. Waiting for it to all be in a single volume is def one way to go. Also Marvel Unlimited, Comixology Unlimited and whatever DC universe is now are also viable options. and very affordable.

[@kasperimatias8744]

Marvel unlimited

[@ownih]

Yeah I’m a graphic novel man myself ha ha

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

This is why comics are kinda hard to get into.

[@jojosoni6355]

That's why I read manga. Only 1 story from start to end

[@donstarplayz]

I really hope Secret War will turn out to be as good as Infinity War and Endgame, since the Russo Brothers say it’ll be the only marvel project they’ll come back for

[@Christ_club]

So its basically going to be the same thing over and over again

[@ccelite3782]

The MCU will never be the same

[@nicosiago5375]

Secret Wars seems so far away man like 2030😂😂🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ballsackboi505]

Bruh, those two basically carried the franchise

[@gezeo750]

So wait Marvel Films ran them off? I was unaware of this. When did all this happen?

[@jordancarlson961]

This is why I really loved Netflix’s Daredevil. It had its fair share of interconnectivity-like how everyone remembers the Battle of New York- but it was mostly a standalone story with a real set of stakes that were never close to world ending. That’s what I want for the mcu moving forward, just let their awesome cast of characters shine in stories that suit them first and worrying about the interconnection second

[@Coolsomeone234]

rip

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

@@Coolsomeone234 what

[@BuhBungus]

@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 daredevil got cancelled so he’s paying his respects to the best marvel show that will ever exist

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

@@BuhBungus alteast hes coming back

[@luismedrano6680]

@@BuhBungus he just appeared in spider man no way home, and he is set to make sporadic appearances in she hulk, echo, and his own disney series or movie

[@neoshenlong]

I actually think they managed scalation quite well. Endgame was released almost two years ago, and then we got Far From Home, Wandavision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier scaling it all back down while dealing with the aftermath of what happened in that movie (thats the reason I don't mention Black Widow though it also helped with relaxing a bit after that huge event). I understand Wandavision was supposed to come out after Falcon originally and it makes sense, considering the amount of stuff that happens I believe Falcon leading to Wandavision leading to Loki makes a lot of sense, but it worked either way. And then Loki just played with us for a while leading towards the next absolutely huge event in the MCU. So yeah, I think they managed it well. I seriously hope they don't rush this multiversal war thing

[@geminielemental8800]

Marvel managed the Disney+ side of continuing the story well. Where they failed is the theatrical side (even before Covid). Black Widow was going to have to happened sometime before Endgame for obvious reasons. Shang Chi and The Eternals are both completely new with no tie in any part of Phase 3. Even a throw away line by Hawkeye in Endgame of "I was just taking over where Shang Chi left off" when we see him in Japan creates SOME sort of link. The Eternals origin story (which I think this is) should have been after three of them were introduced and teased (Black Widow, Shang Chi, and finally Dr Strange). The Eternals Origin movie then becomes the what is the next great big bad in the MCU.

[@whatNtarnation90]

All 3 of their TV shows have been lazy garbage..

[@jacksonbrickmedia939]

I have a feeling that the reason a black widow prequel waited to come out when this multiversal war stuff was happening is because kang, a time travel villain might travel back to black widow at some point.

[@neoshenlong]

@@jacksonbrickmedia939 The main reasons were real world stuff, though. Including Covid. It was supposed to come out a lot earlier

[@atwunz]

@@whatNtarnation90 still better than those corny CW stuffs.

[@rosshauler7688]

My only critique was that quicksilver wasn’t killed because of rights disputes it was a last minute decision by weadon because the mcu didn’t have any solid plans for the character and since fox already had a popular quicksilver they thought it would be too confusing for audiences

[@andrewhrusovsky9426]

Sir, have you heard of a comma before?

[@rosshauler7688]

@@andrewhrusovsky9426 KZbin comments don’t deserve decent grammar this is a platform for rants and deeznut jokes

[@andrewhrusovsky9426]

@@rosshauler7688 well I have no fucking clue what you mean without proper punctuation. "Let's eat, grandma!" Is far different from "let's eat grandma!"

[@rosshauler7688]

@@andrewhrusovsky9426 deez nuts

[@11rossboss]

@@rosshauler7688 You are a shame to the Ross name

[@JozzFilms]

Shang-Chi looks like it had vision, not just the Marvel vision, but some genuine style and personality. I’m hoping so at least.

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

Same with externals can’t wait for that one

[@Player-jh4ko]

This aged like milk...

[@M0CC3R]

@@Player-jh4ko this was posted an hour ago…

[@Player-jh4ko]

@@M0CC3R Yeah, and a hour isn't that long, hence why I said "Aged like milk".

[@GeorgeAndLennyGaming]

@@Player-jh4ko how

[@danielgolden8116]

“How many times have they faked Nick Fury’s death?” One…pretty sure just the once…

[@Spoantaneus]

yea lol he forced that fake death point. Loki is the only one who dies a lot but now hes dead for good. Hes also the god of mischief so it makes sense. Iron man, and black widow are both permanently dead. steve rogers is out of commission and he didn’t really mention that

[@lingy69]

He could have at least used Vision as an example, he died twice in one movie, got brought back, died and replaced with White Vision.

[@soxar64]

@@lingy69 i mean he died twice in the span of like 10 seconds, i wouldn't really say he actually died twice narrative-wise. Besides, wandavision makes a point that the actual Vision is dead, what's left now is either Wanda's memories of him and an empty husk that was his body, even if they were to combine it still won't be the same Vision, just like Gamora which died in infinity war and came back in endgame as a like 10 years younger version of herself with none of the character development she had in the movies. I don't think the MCU had a "You're looking for Jean Grey? She's dead, come back next week" kind of thing yet.

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

yh, vision would have been a much better example to illustrate his point.

[@josephhastings4839]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy Vision died canonically once. If you count the Thanos kill as two deaths, then you’re just reaching to make a point. And WandaVision showed in Episode 4 that he’s actually dead, so we knew for most of the series he was gone. And white vision is a completely different character in my perspective.

[@unchartedchartz]

If Marvel reboots daredevil and he starts being all quirky and funny like Iron Man and Spider Man and Thor, I will riot.

[@bigpoppa251]

You're absolutely right 💯

[@solong_goodnight]

i mean i agree. but spiderman has always been quirky and funny since the comics. idk about tony and thor because i've never read them, but yeah

[@unchartedchartz]

@@solong_goodnight I'm not saying that those characters shouldn't be quirky and funny, (Thor is the most iffy) but Daredevil definitely should not be.

[@solong_goodnight]

@@unchartedchartz i agree he's really one of the last people. i personally don't like how marvel studios makes everything a joke either. only works for certain characters

[@michaellabonte6390]

He's def gonna crazk a joke or two but I think civil war black panther style, homes that are intended as jokes or just dialogue between a funny char and him.

[@meamheretoday]

I'm really excited to see how marvel is able to keep things interesting. Loki looks promising so far. As long as they don't bring back characters using the multiverse, I think this is a great direction for marvel and superhero movies in general.

[@ThePine26]

I don't think they (some characters) would/can come back (at least not for long) due to the "one" timeline

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

It doesn’t matter, that multiverse thing doesn’t hold shit to the “time travel can’t change the future” rule in Endgame. They even retconned it in the same movie.

[@dippin4dots]

@@CarpettinginMotel.townson Can you explain? I don't know if you are talking about Old Man Cap or something else.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

@@CarpettinginMotel.townson Endgame never did anything that contradicted its rule that altering the past doesn’t alter the future

[@mfmageiwatch]

The show that destroyed the stakes of everything that came before it, and cared more about making bad jokes than making a story that made sense and fit within the lore looks promising to you?

[@MrSharkBait561]

I want a solo villain protagonist movie so that we can see their journey and growth. Then eventually their downfall after a series of movies with the heroes that lead up to the big boss fight.

[@carlosroo5460]

We can call it "Doom"

[@phabiorules]

Well we did have a movie with a villian protagonist, infinity war.

[@swagnostic132]

@@phabiorules which isnt really the same at all hahaha a Dr. Doom solo movie would be wonderful, but the tone wouldn't be able to be so mcu-ish

[@richboy12ify]

with disney lol you will get garbage like cruella they wont commit strongly to it

[@MrSharkBait561]

@@phabiorules yes, which turned out great but I was thinking a solo film. With a few years in between an intro film and an Avengers movie style for the villain's downfall. With Thanos, we only got a glimpse of him over the years. We never had a journey with him until towards the last two movies. And even then, he only talked about his plan, we didn't get to watch him struggle, grow and create his final plan for balance.

[@r4ryder388]

I think they have to keep the characters at their current power level. One problem in the comics is that the characters being insanely powerful makes the battles huge.

[@fenrir-art4742]

Really? So without developing them further to help themselves, others, or their causes, they have to be like those Disney characters who pose as Marvel ones? No wonder Marvel is so cheap that is blinded billions to liking it just to relate to idiots, lazy asses, weak jerks, Trump, and others who have no strength to offer. Comics for the States are already junk due to those movies.

[@EnanoPancracio]

@@fenrir-art4742 you can develop a character without significantly altering the power level, all of Clint and Natasha's development has occurred without them getting any stronger. Not sure what trump or the rest of your comment has to do with anything.

[@marselo1316]

@@fenrir-art4742 boi what the hell are you talking about lol

[@Kekkersboy]

@@EnanoPancracio Damn straight, developing the character is far more important than developing powers.

[@r4ryder388]

@@fenrir-art4742 what i meant was that, characters dont need to have their power escalated to planet breaking levels. cus it would make it hard to have small level battles or contained movies when each battle is breaking new york.

[@DocWolph]

History repeats itself, elsewhere, when someone tells themselves, "This won't happen to me". If you tell yourself "this COULD happen to me" you will do everything possible to prevent a thing from happening to you, if it is bad, and everything to make it happen, if it is good.

[@gingfreecss3808]

Well said

[@Red-Tower]

Why am I suddenly reminded of Ultron? Lol

[@KusunokiSG47]

Obsession of prevention will give a birth of a successful dictatorship

[@holaholahoy]

"One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it"

[@ryanrich06]

Platitudes

[@mayktg]

An interesting point is about fatigue, I definetly felt that after Endgame and, prentending that has nothing to do with me watching at least 5x every mcu movie, only now I'm slowly getting back into it with the Disney+ shows. My major concern is about them rushing Kang (or whatever other big bad) and also the Sony partnership, but that's another topic.

[@ruttedrumble3332]

That’s like saying you’re worried about them rushing Thanos just because he was shown in the first Avengers

[@mayktg]

​@@ruttedrumble3332 I meant like rushing the Avengers to battle him straight away. I like what they did with Thanos, even though there are some room for improvements, my worry is about them rushing to make money with the assemble and not develop the character enough, but I'm excited for what's to come, especially Dr. Strange

[@neoshenlong]

Same. The way they stablished Kang as a multiversal threat that is actually an infinite number of him (or... them, really) makes it pretty good because they can keep it as a background threat and even have some characters fight and defeat some versions of him (like I imagine is going to happen in the next Ant Man movie) and then bring him back for more movies as a different version. But it's what Feige said about not wanting to do another 10 year epic that has me worried. He said they'd go for shorter stories and I worry such a big event as the multiverse is going to be relegated to a couple of movies and tv series and thats it.

[@philbox3productions]

Same endgame felt like the dessert at the end of a great meal and once I finished I felt satisfied and full. So when more MCU stuff started coming out I was a little overwhelmed and now I'm behind and I just don't have the energy or overall want to really try and catch up due to me still being satisfied from Endgame. Its unfortunate cause I had a great time with the infinity saga.

[@MACKAVON]

@@neoshenlong you want to wait another ten years for that to play out?

[@franklinlara1831]

I hope they start focusing more on character until the big bad starts the war. I’d like to see Spiderman struggle financially, I’d like to see less goofy jokes and more individual visions for each film. I think the best way to keep interest in this series is to let the singular vision go and embrace the crazy ideas like a guy that looks like a goblin and a giant talking dragon

[@ziglaus]

Im not so sure following "individual visions" is such a great idea. MCU works precisely BECAUSE every movie conforms to a specific tone and style, and the story is planned ahead. If you let people have their own visions, you end up with the new Star Wars, or DCEU. There needs to be a balance between studio influence and individual visions of the directors. It seems like an impossible balance, but MCU has been incredible on that part so far

[@whatNtarnation90]

@@ziglaus Did you even understand his comment? Judging off what I read, he probably loves the Star Wars and DCEU lol

[@franklinlara1831]

@@ziglaus I’m not saying they should stay from the structure they created where they have a massive team up planned that every movie needs to add to in order for it to work. But I’d like the studio to let directors tell their own stories within guidelines and the necessary story beats their movie requires. Like how Thor: Ragnorok and Guardians 1 and 2 were distinctly different from any other mcu movie in tone. I like what they’re doing with the shows but it still feels like the producers have a stranglehold on the directors

[@jlupus8804]

I guarantee you’ll get all of that Either in 5 years or 50 years, it’s all inevitable Because that’s how predictable they are.

[@jlupus8804]

@@ziglaus in terms of creativity, the DCEU is in a much freer place than MCU, a property helmed by the same studio driving the Star Wars U, so.... expect the Mouse to repeat history

[@SourRobo8364]

All stories need a definitive end. Robert Kirkman knew that for Invincible. Fantastic comic series that more franchises need to learn.

[@Patrick-pc3vq]

Very much agreed, but Marvel is too greedy to stop yet, i can see MCU performing badly in the future once audiences get tired of too much movies from them.

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@Patrick-pc3vq Ha! Bold of you to think that. Feige will see the crash coming. And he'll figure something out. Also, you can't accuse Marvel of being greedy, when other studios are pumping way more movies annually.

[@professorhistoire5349]

@@Patrick-pc3vq that could happen, but not for a really long time. people love seeing comic characters come to the big screen, and i dont think that'll change very soon

[@charlestaylorco8713]

@@Patrick-pc3vq Marvel is a brand, Invincible is one comic series, that’s not comparable.

[@mitchkat123]

@@Patrick-pc3vq Perhaps it is a bit of greed, but there are also so many superheroes who haven’t gotten the chance to have their stories told to large audiences and those films/shows could be absolutely incredible. For example, I’m so excited to see Ironheart get some time in spotlight in a way she never could before. Now that the more mainline heroes have gotten their stories told, there’s so much more room to explore the less well known ones.

[@stevenirizarry1304]

The MCU would never resurrect a character in a straightforward way Loki isn’t even our Loki

[@TheCapedArtist]

He's still loki and will probably end up in the main timeline again, and he's seen the main loki's entire life, so he's not gonna be too different from the previous loki. But since actors grow up, I don't think characters like iron man or black widow would come back.. maybe it'll happen in an alternate timeline idk at this point lol

[@TheDarkPacific]

@@TheCapedArtist I agree. hell our Gamora isn't even the main timeline Gamora.

[@TheCapedArtist]

@@TheDarkPacific yeah. Everyone's coming back from the dead. It's comics all over again. Deaths in comics are near meaningless and this is already beginning to happen in the MCU

[@TheDarkPacific]

@@TheCapedArtist I say we have at least half of the next phase before we get someone come back from the dead officially.

[@Droucko]

@@TheDarkPacific Didnt other timeline gamora also vanisehd after tonys snap?

[@avburns]

If watching EVERYTHING is a necessity to understanding the MCU then I can see the fatigue argument. But while the movies were heading towards Endgame, we had the Netflix Marvel shows and network shows like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. On cable, Disney had Spider-Man and Avengers cartoons; so, except for a little more integration of content, what's really changed? I think a counter-argument is Disney giving the fans what they want. When the demand is no longer there, hopefully they'll see that and cut back.

[@Gemnist98]

That’s a possibility. It’s what they’re doing with Star Wars, and that only happened after five movies.

[@avburns]

@@Gemnist98 I was going to bring up Star Wars, next year's TV schedule is going to be insane!

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@Gemnist98 Didn’t Disney announce like 7 new Star Wars tv shows?

[@PeterGriffin11]

I doubted they’ll cut back if anything they’ll probably try every trick in the book to keep the MCU relevant if future movies end up performing like Black Widow did or worse. The MCU is one of the highest grossing franchises and while I certainly think it’s possible It’s popularity will dwindle there’s no way Disney of all companies will let it die without trying trying to resuscitate it’s cash cow and if their efforts don’t end up working then I think they would give up on Marvel and finally let it rest.

[@Gemnist98]

@@PeterGriffin11 Yes, but they’ve slowed down production for the movies; the shows are more a result of Mandalorian.

[@momom9547]

you have it so spot on. at this point, im not scared to say im an mcu fan. but my gosh, im also so tired with all the things we have to watch. the one year we took a break from the mcu did us favors too, imo.

[@cityrat3237]

Or you can you know NOT watch it, why you acting like they pointed a gun to your head and forced you to watch it?

[@cecilabbott6092]

@@cityrat3237 it is hard to not watch something that you love when they give new content no matter how bad the new content is or how burnt out by it you might be. For example the sequel trilogy is widely hated and yet all the people who hate those movies has still watched them at least once even tho they already expected it to be bad (especially going into rise of skywalker)

[@cityrat3237]

@@cecilabbott6092 that literally still is no excuse as to forcing yourself to watch it, cut the shit you can not watch them simple as that. It ain’t hard or that serious ya’ll weird

[@momom9547]

@@cityrat3237 dont understand why you have to sound so angry my guy. anyway, my problem is NOT that i have to watch it. my problem is i do WANT to watch everything, but it still feels overwhelming. it's heartbreaking to feel burnout over something you like.

[@emerraldx]

and if you don’t watch everything, you are missing a couple Easter eggs that actually change the experience . . . so now I guess I watch none of them because I dont have time for all the junk mixed in 🤷‍♀️

[@mcnedelsky]

Actually, getting in new creative blood, both in front of and behind the camera, is a success strategy the films are following from the comics. When creators in comics get really big, they go their own way…which is fine, and there’s always young and hungry folks looking to make the leap up. Hang on to “top talent” too long and they atrophy - see Bendis.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Well, they need a mix of both, is the thing. I agree, their strategy of hiring potentially huge talent from the indie scene is a pretty good one, and seems to be working more often than not on a project-by-project basis. But they still need reliable big-picture people at the executive level too. Feige can't carry the entire franchise on his own shoulders. He needs people who'll stay with the company for years, helping to shepherd the long-term storylines across numerous productions. (This is why I'm so happy to see Taika Watiti stay with the MCU so far. If he did move into a high-level creative position of overseeing storylines it could potentially be AMAZING.)

[@krim7]

Indeed. You just want to mute the outflow so it does not happen all at once

[@BobtheHat]

2:40 "You want to kill half the universe to balance the population. I do it because I'm an omega simp. We are not the same."

[@woshadoo6614]

I feel like since Stan Lee died I know now that the reason he put himself in the cameos all the time is not just to show that he is the creator but also PART of the reason why we love the MCU so much.

[@TimmyTomsen]

4:15 What do you mean "James Gunn walked away"? Wasn't he fired for some old, edgy tweets and then rehired to do Guardians 3?

[@dragofan21gaming]

Yup he was, was thinking the same thing.

[@QDJW]

He was rehired then he walked away

[@nikdik154]

Lol no. He was fired for his stupid tweets. Then later hired for GoTG3.

[@TimmyTomsen]

@@nikdik154 that is the exact same thing I said

[@mavrickindigo]

@@QDJW I thought he was doing guardians 3?

[@jessicastrike5640]

Infinity War was a masterclass in avoiding fatigue. Would it help to have seen all 18 preceding films before that one, absolutely, but was it necessary, I would say no. Characters introduce themselves or others in ways that make sense, exposition is kept to the bare minimum so that anyone that is fully up to date doesn’t have to go through too much repetition but enough to cover the essential stuff. Talented creators can pull it off

[@malcolmcox18]

It's really not that hard to skip a couple movies here n there n still be fully caught up on what's going on

[@gehbdnskeen]

Infinity war was the second MCU film I watched in theaters (i had only watched GOTG 2) but I had seen some movies online (perhaps Avengers,Civil war and a couple of others that I didn't really remember,but I definitely was not an MCU fan at the time). So I loved Infinity war with knowing just the very basics. Obviously before Endgame I watched all the other movies.

[@TheHowlingEye]

Exactly, Thanos' arrival is actually very random. No one knows that he is coming because almost all earth-based films don't have any buildup for that. When Strange summons him, Stark kina already feels like he's moved on with life past the avenging and superheroing in general.

[@Light-at-Dawn]

3:50 - 4:00, boy this statement sure aged well... Like a carton of milk left in the sun during August

[@FilmFeature43]

I feel like Spiderman Far From Home,did a good job at deescalating after Endgame. It’s kind of a big story without really feeling like we need the rest of the Avengers there. But I can definitely see the fatigue with all of the Disney+ shows, and the movies, and all the other material that loops into the MCU. Definitely a problem that Marvel is going to have to look out for in the future.

[@MOMOFCJ6]

What if is a start

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

True and we got a lot of Peter development too

[@shanonsnyder9450]

Too bad it came at the expense of a good Spider-Man story.

[@hdxk8148]

I think Wandavision was one of the best projects of the MCU thus far . I really hope for more creative shows and specials like WV from them.

[@Thed538dhsk]

I think the talent at marvel studios in particular Kevin Fiegie are smart because black widow was kinda a sail off to Natasha as a character while introducing the new black widow Yelena. Also with the Disney + shows they've been nearly 6 hour long character studies about smaller characters and introducing a bunch of new ones. It's kind of nice to do this startegy of deep diving into smaller supportive characters and use them to explore a post snap and post blip world while using these supportive characters to introduce other characters. And let that happen for a while until they all can come back in a big crossover with larger core characters

[@dakat5131]

Something good about the character series is that rather than having to cram an introduction and dramatic finish into one film length, they have room to delve into the character in ways that would normally not make it into a film for time.

[@rennywise424]

ye Kevin Feige is a genius to be able to connect the movies and have it pretty much planned as infinity war was teased in 2014

[@DeadpoolAli]

Agree completely. They had a chance for different tone with the Netflix shows. Those were supposed to be the marvel Max/ Marvel Knights versions. Glad Loki and early wandavision took some risks. Legion is a great example (season 1 and 3) of doing something different and fresh.

[@mawinstallation6626]

God, finally someone that acknowledged Legion. That show was MAD GOOD, and many things from WandaVision and Loki seem derived from it (the whole plot of the protagonist's "fake world" and mastermind within that tries to take their powers... Legion or WandaVision? lol)

[@junaydfisher211]

I loved all the marvel Netflix shows besides defenders, also cloak and dagger was good, idk if you watched it but its kind like a coming of age story and it's connected to agents of shield and references the mcu. Loved that you mentioned legion, there was also an xmen show called the gifted which was decent.

[@ishitasingh5162]

Every superhero story cannot be universe is ending.... All american storytellers quaking 👁️👄👁️

[@tedxteddy]

Lmao true

[@NYCQuint]

You must have missed most of Batman and Spider-Man films… I guess driving taxis all day will do that

[@shreshroop]

@@NYCQuint A bit racist ain't it bro? Hope you didn't comment RIP to Chadwick with that beautiful stereotyping and discriminatory mindset of yours

[@sebastianmontano9979]

2:34 Hate to be that guy but Thanos collected the stones in the two-issue story called "The Thanos Quest" which acted as a lead in to the six-issue miniseries "The Infinity Gauntlet" (where the snap occurs about halfway through issue one). I'd also like to clarify on the death situation. Death resurrected Thanos so she can ask him to kill half the population of his universe with the explanation being, "Recent events have convinced mistress death that severe imbalance exists within the universe. She fears that if this condition continues on unchecked, existence as it is now known may be in peril". Thanos then starts to lay the groundwork for his plan to collect the stones. Death notices he hasn't started killing people and she's like "What the hell are you doing? Why aren't you killing people like I asked?" And Thanos explains that it would take him centuries to complete her task at his current power level and he simply wishes to expedite the process by getting the stones. So Thanos is like "so...we cool?" and Death is like "Yeah ok, I guess that's fine". I left a lot out but that's the gist of it.

[@stephenthedude4383]

🤣👌

[@zahirsookoor2673]

Can we appreciate the visuals and editing on this video

[@damiansliva9418]

By far the best channel i’ve found on youtube when it comes to making the viewer relate to the subject. keep up the great work. will never miss a vid

[@FRISHR]

MCU will be fresh again when they correctly portray the best Marvel villain and antihero DOCTOR DOOM!

[@zl3791]

Are you so sure they will correctly potray him, I mean the MCU has a track record of treating villains injustly. Moreover, the MCU was good because it had competent writers (namely the Russo Brothers) and it also had to work for its success. Now that it has its success and the Russo Brothers have gone, the MCU is left in the hands of inferior writers and complacency. Every single Marvel project this year has been a disappointment and subpar. It would be wise to lower your standards of expectations. The accessment is coming though, in the form of spiderman 3, if that ends up being good than there's hope for marvel still, if not, and if it ends up being another poorly written movie then the MCU has truly died.

[@Antwannnn]

@@zl3791 *Please just read it* 😅 You need to realize that your opinion isn't the ONLY one out there. TONS of people think the MCU shows have been fantastic. Of course people have their different ideals on which ones are better out of the 3 we have so far, but the majority of people didn't find them to be a "disappointment and subpar." Also with that being said you just jumped over 5 MCU projects that will all premiere before Spider-Man No Way Home even gets its first teaser trailer lol But seriously have you been seeing the reviews for Shang-Chi? I see some saying (independent youtubers who have NOT been paid off by Disney lol) that this is the best Marvel origin movie ever made and that it's the best Marvel film since Logan and that it's in their TOP 5 superhero movies of all time. Yes. Better than Infinity War, Spider-Verse, Ragnarok and so on. It's truly hard to believe, I know, but the positive reviews haven't been stopping, and when the embargo lifts monday I think it'll just ramp up even more (fingers crossed). And do you realize the director of The Eternals, Chloe Zhao, JUST won 2 Oscars for Nomadland for not only the film itself but her directing? And she was hired BEFORE she even won ANY awards. Marvel has an act for picking up very creatively gifted no-name directors and giving them opportunity before any of the mainstream takes hold of them a la Taika Waititi, James Gunn, The Russo's, and now Chloe Zhao and Destin Daniel Cretton. I think you are judging the future of this great universe *WAYYY* too narrow-mindedly my guy. You lack hope and vision. Also the Russo's didn't write Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War or Endgame. That was Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus; who also wrote The First Avenger.

[@Ardante11]

They’ll have to nail the Fantastic 4 first or Doom is Doomed

[@luismedrano6680]

@@zl3791 you really think mcu will.make doom worse than the previous 3 attempts lol

[@bennyuchiha8501]

Checking in 10 months later, if only you knew

[@tensaantares]

6:34 "Fatigue in general", unless it's just me, from comics for decades basically rehashing the same characters with stories going nowhere...unlike manga. And they're (mangas) doing exceedingly well WITHOUT crossover's. Though there are "crossover's" here and there (one-shots), my point still stands.

[@Serocco]

Manga are self contained series helmed by their author-artists, no need for crossovers

[@eagleeye91x]

This is the first Nerdstalgic video that I flat out disagreed. I just finished rewatching the whole Infinity Saga last night and these issues he mentioned I feel like valid issues before Endgame but not after. The MCU almost always try to correct any mistakes they made in the past storywise. Even Red Skull had a role to play. With the deaths, the important ones are sure to never return except for maybe after 8-10 years for the nostalgia bait. I don't think they'll be major players again. The Ant-man films are generic popcorn flicks that are still enjoyable. I don't think it's hot garbage to the point where it's offensive, and it still has enough for the characters to be important universe-wide (without them the quantum tunnel would never be made). He said so himself that not every movie should be an Endgame-type event. If we're talking directorial vision though, Shang-Chi and Eternals looks promising. Of course they will probably still follow the formula but they always adapt through each phase. And creative freedom doesn't always work anyway. Patty Jenkins got full creative control for WW1984 and we all know how that turned out.

[@Antwannnn]

Im hearing A LOT of good things about Shang-Chi from the people I follow. One said that it is the best Marvel movie since Logan and another said it was Marvels BEST origin story film, period.

[@deep7051]

@@Antwannnn lemme guess, these are the same people who were saying "black widow is the best marvel movie periodt"?

[@Antwannnn]

@@deep7051 actually no they said Black Widow was underwhelming and that Scar Jo's character deserved way better, and that Taskmaster was trash, and that the 3rd act was just not it.

[@deep7051]

@@Antwannnn then let's see if it comes close to Dr. Strange or Iron Man. Personally I have my doubts about this movie.

[@Antwannnn]

@@deep7051 and you should. Just because they think one way doesn't mean you will too. I also acknowledge that but it still gets me hyped. Even they said the trailers dont show anything and that the poor marketing doesn't even touch the surface on how amazing this film really is. Which is unfortunate cuz that will affect its opening weekend. Kind of like The Suicide Squad.

[@plootyluvsturtle9843]

nerdstalgic will always entertain even if you don’t watch the content they’re talking about

[@brandonmunsen6035]

His voice is 👌

[@Hadam10Rose]

"Imagine if Marvel made a film without all the jokes" they did it's called The Incredible Hulk. Also their first non origin story Solo film. Bruce was already Hulk when the film started putting the origin into the credits, letting visuals tell the story.

[@Tyler_W]

What will guarantee the decline of the MCU is treating the "comic book movie" as a genre. It's not a genre of film, it's setting, it's window dressing, a vehicle/delivery mechanism for the actual story. This is an area in which DC is actually doing better. Their films are very different from one another. Their issue is that they have no sense of coherent direction which makes everything seem haphazard and thrown together rather than creatively bold and interesting. Both Marvel Studios and WB need to learn from each other. WB needs to figure out what works about their characters and universe, fogure out a coherent longterm plan, and commit to it. Marvel Studios, on the other hand, needs to stop homogenizing their films, break from formula a bit and realize that they can use their universe as a vehicle to tell different kinds of stories in different genres. *Both need to get a clue about what their actual paying customers actually want to pay to see amd stop gauging customer demand based on the disproportionately loud minority on Twitter just like every other entertainment company these days.) Do a horror film, a detective noir story, a deep character study, a psychological thriller, a crime drama, a romance, a hard scifi adventure, and so on. Joss Whedon's success with The Avengers is well-deserved, but his overall total influence on the MCU is one of the worst things that could've happened to it which will impact and harm its longevity. I'm all for having fun and a having a good laugh, but Joss Whedon and every other movie that tries to be The Avengers either deliberately or unintentionally uses glibness that often comes at the expense of emotional stakes and dramatic tension. As a result, although I very much enjoy the vast majority of the MCU, many of these individual films will not stand the test of time and will be considered nothing more than empty calory filler. It's telling that what are arguably the movies that did the best job at using humor and lightheartedness without undermining the drama and emotional weight are also the movies that currently are kr almost certainly will be the most memorable and most beloved (the movies from the Russo Bros and James Gunn are prime examples of this). "Franchise fatigue" doesn't exist. What people confuse for framchise fatigue is fatigue over a franchise's failure to keep things interesting, a failure to maintain high quality, and a failure to stay creatively vibrant and avoid laziness/comfortability. If there's fatigue of anything, it's mediocre product fatigue. Franchises succeed or fail on the same basis as one-off films and original properties. They succeed if what is being presented looks compelling and entertaining, and they fail if they do not.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Marvel studios doesn’t really treat the superhero film like a genre. Sure, the films may have a similar sense of humor,and they didn’t take many risks and they’ve backtracked on deaths too many times, but the mcu films certainly aren’t interchangeable. Avengers really was a superhero film, but Winter Soldier is a spy thriller, the Guardians films are space operas with laughs, Ant Man is a heist film, Homecoming is a teen comedy and Ragnarok is an improv comedy. These films have similar elements, but the belief that they all do nothing different is pretty unfair and almost stereotypical.

[@ziad3077]

The mcu became so popular in the first place because in a time where companies treated superhero as genre alongside tdk trilogy they were one of the first people to not treat it like one

[@gabbar51ngh]

It's better that WB doesn't create MCU 2.0. it's unnecessary and would resemble already popular franchise. Let DC be the one doing solo movies. James Bond and Batman are older than half a century and keep on getting adapted and remade. People would never really get tired of it & WB can always push other characters. MCU style franchise also has disadvantages. Your each character's storytelling capacity gets fixed & has to be tailored to fit into the franchise. killing any chances of individual development, however great for characters who would have never been able to work on their own like Falcon for example. Biggest problem is you can't really reboot entire marvel universe as a franchise again. But another Batman trilogy with different villains and settings can still be sold to moviegoers. That's because character driven films endure longer than ensembles. Spiderman is another great example. Same reason you can't really reboot LOTR but you can make Conan the barbarian multiple times.

[@ashish_sunny]

No consistent and persistent villains. They just kill of their antagonists at the end of each movie.

[@cd6229]

Babe wake up new nerdstalgic upload

[@Nerdstalgic]

Hope babe enjoys

[@JV-cz6fz]

I am a big fan of the MCU but tbh as much as I enjoyed the recent Disney+ shows I really think its time for marvel to end it gracefully and leave a good legacy. Will that happen? absolutely not they have money to make

[@moonxchild5186]

i agree, they should've stopped at endgame. But a lot of comic book fans want more and marvel feeds them as requested and now we have 10 MCU PROJECTS THIS YEAR. Only thing I know that will happen is that the movies and shows will get boring and repetitive unless they do something remarkable with each project without any intention for making more and more money.

[@junaydfisher211]

Idk, i think there's still a lot of potential with what's left of the mcu, underused/unused heroes and villains, interesting character dynamics, big story arcs from the comics, etc. I would rather see that then for them to inevitably reboot the mcu and let other creators take the helm

[@JV-cz6fz]

@@junaydfisher211 I really think kevin feige and the team are absolutely genius but I do hope for the best. Just hard to remain optimistic given just how far they're stretching and just how many times the world can come to an end.

[@skywise001]

I gave up on Marvel at Antman. A copmbination of burnout and upset at how they didnt do right by Pym.

[@WL1264]

So nothing to do with the quality of the movie only coz it's different from the comics

[@Igu0610]

The MCU had one thing that didn't really needed the jokes and funny moments to make it great, daredevil still is for me the best MCU anything because is mature, not because of blood or anything like that but because of the story that was a little darker than the films, i cried when I found out it was cancelled. Ps: sorry for bad grammar, I'm still learning English

[@smolb0i270]

im still invested in the mcu mostly because i missed the characters but i can agree the amount of content marvel is putting out (especially this year) is a bit overwhelming

[@ultimateslinger9857]

I’m just waiting on Spider-man: into the spider-verse 2. Or any spider-man content for that matter

[@KuroOokami167]

Here's a video someone in the studio needed to watch.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Anyone miss the days when we only had 3 mcu films a year to keep up with?

[@meep9231]

Honestly yes

[@joshuajoe1419]

Yeah, I love the MCU but I wish it was just. 3 maybe 4 movies to keep track off. I can’t imagine keeping track of 4-5 films and 5-6 shows.

[@PeterGriffin11]

I miss the days when Superhero movies weren’t being mass produced back in the early to mid 2000s movies were allowed to stand on their own instead of setting up another movie.

[@elizabethmolino8262]

@@PeterGriffin11 ,I know what you mean and that's been one of my gripe with the MCU .Their films of late feels more like commercials than films .I miss one off superhero films that don't have to connect to a larger universe.Maybe that's why I enjoyed the Suicide Squad alot ,because it was a film that wasn't connected to the larger DC Universe.

[@juansebastiancastaneda3986]

Production quality on this video is crazy!! Keep up the amazing work. I love to see this channel grow. Keep up the amazing work 💯

[@peter-paulkutschlojenga7336]

Ngl I was really hoping that Black Widow was that movie that wasn't funny but just Dark. The whole intro was perfection to me. The intro was Dark and had no humour in it at all, exactly what I was hoping for if you're going to tell the story of a Russian spy family during the cold war. Unfortunately, the rest of the movie was much more light hearted.

[@foxlineon]

6:32 The image on screen is literally available for auction on a corner store not far from my house. I was just there looking at it 30 minutes ago and now the same image is on video I'm watching not long after. Truly wondrous how the world works.

[@jj22445]

The movies are starting to feel a bit "cookie-cutter" imo and I would LOVE if they would hire writers/directors from different genres and give them full creative control to make any type of film they want. Imagine if different movies were written as a horror, or a comedy, or a pysch-thriller, etc. They have done a good job with some properties like WandaVision was a decent mystery, the Winter Soldier was a good "rogue-soldier espionage" action, and Deadpool obviously an action comedy (ik ik Deadpool isn't part of the mcu yet, but you get my point). Obviously family-friendly action-comedy does make sense from a business standpoint since it is a superhero world, but I really feel like the longevity of this universe is going to depend on whether or not Marvel is willing to expand their creative horizons. The reason the Dark Knight trilogy was so good was because WB allowed Christopher Nolan the creative control to make his own movie. Marvel should take note.

[@Antwannnn]

David Sadvari...you did a *FANTASTIC* job editing this man. *AMAZING.* *INCREDIBLE.* I was just *ASTONISHED* on how you were able to make the characters move and morph off the comics. Great Work!

[@megamike15]

the problem is most audiances don't want a smaller scale story after a huge one. they want a story to out do the provious one.

[@haze5069]

Knowing that Doctor Strange 2 will be the first Marvel horror movie, I hope that it’s barely “jokey”, and really stays in the horror genre.

[@holdthetruthhostage]

The Best Movie they made was Winter Soldier

[@kaseyfeashitness980]

Multiverse of Madness didn’t have any real jokes for the last half of the movie which was pretty refreshing

[@elizabethmolino8262]

I like the last two points you mentioned at the end of the video which is stakes and jokes .The first one is where the MCU lacks and second one is where the MCU is over dependent on to point where their films is starting to become stale and repetitive .I hope the multiverse pays for them ,but I think alot of fans are reaching to point of "MCU fatigue".

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

And releasing 4 films and 5 shows a year certainly isn’t a great idea

[@elizabethmolino8262]

@@jeffreyquinde6707 ,True .It really is not good idea.

[@Hollowdude15]

I agree they need to avoid it and cool video man and great video man :]

[@tylerjames7172]

I love this channel and everyone makes pronunciation mistakes from time to time, but I gotta say "Kenneth Brah-narck" cracked me up 😂

[@gedeonnunes5626]

1:48 whoa, whoa, whoa, you better not shit on my boy Ben Reilly, sir

[@Nerdstalgic]

Haha, I love me some Ben Reilly. He's no Miguel O'Hara, but his Spidey costume with the webbed fingers was pretty dope.

[@samkeller5823]

Especially when it comes to visual and tonal style, I hope the MCU can be more bold. The movies feel so watered down in my opinion, which takes away the point of making a shared universe with different characters and lore. It’s why I loved the Netflix being in the MCU so much. It made the universe much more layered and complex.

[@JuanCAraujoS]

One advantage the MCU has is that actos age and contracts end... This Phase 4 torch-passing approach is just brilliant. There's a side to this moves that has rarely bee explored in comic books: Heroes get old, new heroes arrives to the scene, the torch is passed. I loved "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" for how this transition was handled, much like in "Black Widow" and, I hope, in "Hawkeye". If the MCU is well-handled, we should see in the future an older Spider-Man leading the Avengers guided by Bucky Barnes as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Or even passing the torch to Miles Morales as Morgan Stark becomes 'Iron Heart'...

[@markymar]

I don’t hate iron man BUT I HOPE they don’t bring him back, his story is finished, he can rest . Same with black widow,

[@kevinr.9733]

I think it would be quite interesting to have an entry in the MCU featuring a hero who remains dead serious throughout and does not quip or crack jokes at every opportunity. Imagine the comedy potential from putting said hero alongside the rest of the MCU cast in the next crossover event.

[@artygor2524]

Good plan it worked so well

[@niktri8312]

Honestly, I prefer what DC is doing with their recent movies, which are standalone things, not part of a universe. This allows for films with a greater variety of tones, as well as more artistic freedom for the filmmakers. A goofy family comedy like Shazam can exist alongside a grim drama like Joker or a fantasy epic like Zack Snyder's Justice League. This feel of different creative voices and styles is what rejuvenated the DCEU, as their attempts to escalate via world ending crossovers fell tragically short, so instead of an escalation, it's more like a tree branching out in different directions

[@niktri8312]

@@ryansmith-jr4gn Yeah, but they don't feel like they're in the same universe. Sure, the Flash is gonna meet up Ben Affleck and Michael Keaton, but it's not like they're as tight-knit as the MCU. Harley Quinn has appeared in 3 films thus far, and she's basically different in every installment.

[@343ishill]

This a perfect time for the MCU to take a breather and expand its horizons. Focus on expanding its roster and world building. So many smaller, character driven and heartfelt stories to put onto the big screen instead of building up the next big Avengers or crossover event.

[@professorhistoire5349]

thats what it seems like theyre doing. contained and/or introductory stories on different characters, all while smartly setting up future movies.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

hopefully greed wont take over

[@cartersa8758]

I called it quits on keeping up with the MCU after Infinity War/Endgame. I simply neither have the time nor the budget to invest in multiple series, it’s just too much anymore.

[@randomericthings7506]

DCAU (DC Animated Universe): Am I a joke to you?

[@santiagogarza8121]

I think edgar wright was their biggest loss. His Ant Man would have been epic

[@MrCvjalexander]

Interesting take. One thing I think will keep the MCU from innovation is if they let the Da base bully them into reconning characters. Iron Man is dead, Rogers is aged, and Black Widow was sacrificed. Will the fan base be okay with new characters taking up old mantles? If I had a dollar for every time people have complained about Iron Heart or Falcon Cap, I would be a rich man.

[@MusicManSabastian]

Who’s watching this after seeing Eternals making all the mistakes that he’s describing

[@Rebazar]

So far they've managed to REPEAT all the mistakes of the comics, up to and including the revolving door to the afterlife.

[@mfmageiwatch]

And just like the comics have crashed and burned, so will the MCU. We are already seeing it.

[@theguywithsomething8634]

I don't get it; who has died only to come back to life a few stories later in the movies?

[@jonathanskinner7647]

Who?

[@silverfox6485]

@@theguywithsomething8634 Loki, Gamora

[@professorhistoire5349]

@@silverfox6485 we've only seen one of those, and imo it was done very well

[@nicktroisi6347]

I get pissed off when I say Spider-Man’s best friend is Harry Osborn and then someone goes “no Ned is Spider-Man’s best friend” or “Thanos is the most powerful villain” “May I introduce Galactus or Doctor Doom” it shows how much the MCU has brainwashed modern Marvel Fans

[@TheMovieSequelDude49]

This was probably unintentional but the fact that you used a clip from the first Ant-Man movie when talking about Ant-Man and the Wasp says a lot about how forgettable those movies are.

[@mcnedelsky]

Also,he says “3 Ant Man and the Wasps” but he has to use that movie in particular because, well, there *arent* many MCU movies that just exit your mind and bland. There’s mostly one.

[@mickdipiano8768]

I liked the antman movies(especially the first one) and yea mostly we talk about dark world or maybe the hulk when talking about bad mcu movies.

[@jasonblalock4429]

AM&TW was a pleasant surprise to me. I didn't care for the first one, aside from the finale, but I thought the sequel was one of the better (ahem) smaller-scale MCU movies. The characters were interesting, and the fights were all incredibly creative. If anything, I'd say it was a near-perfect example of how to make those "de-escalated" stories he talks about in the video.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

@@mcnedelsky I don’t think he was throwing shade at ant man and the wasp. If anything, he said that a lot of the films are like it and not enough are bold films like Ragnarok.

[@Jacob004]

I actually really like the Ant Man movies. Sure they’re nothing groundbreaking, but I thought they had a lot of charm to them

[@babybatedits]

Thank you! I thought that I was pretty much the only one who thought that almost every character in the MCU lately is just so goofy/jokey. It's like the characters are taken out of context. One specific and very disappointing example would be Thor. In Ragnarok, his character was way too funny, then in Infinity War it was kind of back to normal, then Endgame?! He was a totally different character. Very disappointing to see such potential wasted on jokes. They could use the jokes elsewhere, like in the characters who are actually supposed to be funny, like Starlord. Great work, Nerdstalgic!

[@TheStacyJamesShow]

Great video and breakdown, I fully agree. That’s why they need to really embrace the characters in this next phase, bringing in Deadpool and blade could be the switch up the company needs, as long as they don’t try to put the same formula on those properties (they have fantastic four for that, just let us have some adult content, I think DC done a phenomenal job turning things around this way)

[@madamebkrt]

They seem very hooked on keeping the MCU majority family-friendly as that makes a LOT or money. I think it's a shame.

[@4eyedwhiteguy]

This is a great take

[@lithantushelo7932]

I am feeling that Crossover fatigue like Im only interested in 4 MCU projects but I gotta watch everything? Before Infinity War I could but now..... meh I just want to choose what to watch not watch everything anymore

[@ultimateslinger9857]

I could really use a self contained a new Spider-man movie. Or an MCU spidy story without another hero in a Spider-man movie. Or an over focus on Stark tech. I’d rather him be more independent like in the comics and other stuff

[@Klamath2046]

Marvel Studios can afford to be experimental, to do some pretty unexpected out-there things. And there will definitely be an audience for it

[@jengl_exe]

Unfortunately superhero fatigue set in hard for me. I simply don't care about stuff after endgame. I was hoping Black Widow would be a cool espionage twist on the genre but noooope

[@GreenFoodMan]

This video was AMAZING. I want to like it 20 times. Thank you for your insightful takes.

[@omarjimenez6861]

They kinda already failed with "rushing content too quickly" in the vein of what's next after Thanos. Loki (the show) made it so literally everything in the MCU, including the Loki show itself up to the end of episode 6, was fabricated by some selfish god. No decision we see the heroes and villains take is truly their own. All victories, all pitfalls, all deaths and resurrections. They were all pre planned by Khan who didn't want alternate timeline versions of himself to be born. And now that this """"good"""" khan is dead, a more evil one took his place in the timeline (contradicting the time travel rules established in Endgame)(on top of not making sense because how do you alter the present by killing someone in the future) Evil Khan is blatantly the new big bad after thanos. Thanos threatened the universe while Khan threatens the multiverse. All these new shows and future movies exist to set up a new team of avengers after how broken up the original got. It's all so tiresome. Everything exists to set up the next thing. It's a franchise with no destination. Once an important conflict built throught several movies, another just comes in and laughs at the previous conflict with how insignificant it became. There's no point in caring about what happens now because the future is a wildcard with a steady decline in quality. Anyone can die and just as easily be ressurected, or be replaced with a copy from an alternate universe

[@strengthoveraesthetics239]

its kang

[@inendlesspain4724]

All you are describing reminds me of shounen manga; people have been criticizing shounen manga exactly for this constant cycle of building up for an even bigger conflict than the last one every new arc. Mind you, I'm used to this cycle so I don't mind that much the MCU doing it as well, but I can see where you are coming from. I just hope they don't abuse the multiverse thing to bring dead characters back whenever they want, among other things.

[@michakakol7629]

Another guy who doesnt understand that stories with predetermined choices CAN work. Time travel rules were messy in MCU to begin with, but making choices predetermined doesnt ruin the character choices. They themselves still believe they made them on their own. Bringing predeterminism in is like bringing the writer in. I will agree that Loki executes predeterminism pretty bad, but to say that it ruins the choices is a pretty bad take.

[@343ishill]

This is so true it doesn't feel like they are making standalone films that focus on world building, it feels like they are just writing chapters for the next big event. Like imagine if we got Hawkeye solo movie showing what happened during the blip and how he transitioned to Ronin. Which would have made me care more about the Flagsmashers in FATWS A Nova movie showing the aftermath and the power vacuum left by the Nova Corps destruction. Bruh I'd even be fine with a Squirrel Girl movie. I just want something that creates all these separate smaller stories and narratives filled with heart, instead of chasing after the next big crossover event.

[@philbox3productions]

@@inendlesspain4724 I disagree cause I'm also a Shonen fan but unlike the Shonen I follow or followed (One Piece, MHA, Naruto, AOT, etc) I'm completely burnt out by the MCU because the Shonen series may seem like the arcs are just rinse and repeat at times there is an end goal to be the Hokage, Pirate King, Wizard King, number 1 hero, etc and once the end goal is reached that's it. The MCU has no end goal, Thanos felt like an end goal beating him was satisfying and a great wrap up to a 10 year epic. So to just come back and do the same thing again except replace the occasional hero with another and replace this world ending threat with another just doesn't do the same for me. This is part of the reason why Boruto doesn't do much for me cause it's doing what the MCU is doing (even though Boruto has been kind of popping off lately so I might be wrong.)

[@GOODEUSMAXIMUS]

I Would love someone to edit all the marvel movies and shows into one big 100 hour or more piece.

[@Nerdstalgic]

That's some Peter Jackson style shiz right there, haha

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

1. Play around with the tone 2. Play around with the genre(I mean really play around with the genre, not a half measure like Ant-Man which is supposed to be a heist flick) 3. Give the directors a certain level of creative freedom 4. Maybe put less emphasis on continuity personally.

[@TheDarkSatirist]

I just came to say that’s a tight thumbnail

[@rdstovall]

Having a ton of content alone does not create fatigue. There is presently no need to watch the tv shows to get into the movies. They are bonus content. Furthermore, if one decides to gorge on all the content in a gluttonous way it is not the fault of the studio or producer of said content.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Wrong, it does create fatigue

[@nikdik154]

No, they aren't bonus content. They are connected.

[@shanekeenaNYC]

@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 Yep. Simple supply and demand. There is simply way too much supply in the comic book movie genre, and not enough viewers around to sustain it right now. Let the existing IP sink in a bit. Just 5 years, that's all!

[@Philaster3000]

This is where the Netflix shows, especially DD did so well, grounded urban stories and threats. I feel your point also applies to the DCU. I'm not overly fond of live-action Batman mostly because he kills, relies too much on gadgets and armor, or because he just can't fight but I did enjoy The Batman overall. However, since its release, the talk has all been about Bane or the Joker, whereas the far more interesting sequel would be the original venom storyline about Bruce's struggle to deal with his own human frailty in a world that has superhumans. Let's leave out the supervillians just for once and tell a grounded Batman story for a change.

[@princesslayah17]

If they bring back Iron Man, imma be so mad.

[@mawinstallation6626]

same

[@name13ss84]

Took me so long to realize your cleanprincrgaming. I was like "Huh..this guy sounds familiar"

[@unigenius]

I was wholeheartedly hoping they would scale back down to more personal stories and issues with the characters so far, and they have. Mostly. I don't think we need to rush into another overarching big bad like Thanos so soon...but I guess we're there now.

[@danielramsey6141]

Not exactly, but I’m glad for the personal narratives too. It’s interesting so far since we have a lot of plenty of ways to go about this!

[@RichtorLazlo]

You say imagine a Marvell property that is serious and has weight to the story .. I say see daredevil that’s what it is. Taking a strong approach to all elements of modern story telling and making monumental achievements. Daredevil is a dare say one of the best shows ever done not just best Marvell shows and not just best superhero shows but best ever.

[@garrettp7003]

The thing that really gets so tiresome is that so many of these movies that should be solo titles require a supporting character. The spider man films come to mind. Spider Man is the character who for decades turned down joining the avengers due to his identity. However, he fought everyone. From stereotypical thugs, to his science mad baddies, to X-Men threats like the juggernaut, to damn aliens such as the symbiotes. Spider Man never needed support because of his skills, smarts and his spirit. Having him tied so closely to Iron Man I always felt was a detriment and undervalued just what makes that character so special. I agree not everything has to be bombastic 100%. But we can't turn that down and also not say someone should be a hero in their own right and not need avenger support all of the time.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

good points, with Tony gone and his identity outed, maybe we will get some more development

[@areebahh1293]

agreed. i wish they kept uncle ben as his mentor instead of tony. it felt like all of spider-man's enemies were really just tonys and it didnt bring him any individuality.

[@dothog1401]

@@areebahh1293 this is an argument I've always had problems with. Even though Tony's doings made them evil, Spider-Man still fought them. Spider-Man villains are usually never turned evil by Spider-Mans actions. But, they still pose a threat to Spider-Man since he is fighting them. Not Tony.

[@mylesgrusnick2471]

As a Lego, specifically a Bionicle fan, they suffered a similar thing. The original Bionicle line lasted 10 years and was a multi media franchise, books, online movies, comics, etc. There comes a point where it becomes to much.

[@smoothie7362]

eternals tried the no jokes thing and it didn’t really work. I want to see it tried on a movie like doctor strange or something

[@redwolf6334]

That was my exact thought

[@luismedrano6680]

And I was one of ones that loved that film for how different and non conventional it was from the mcu

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Very insightful. This has a lot of the critiques that I have had for various movies, but tied together in a clear a concise way. Hopefully the creators of the MCU don’t mess this up, they don’t really have an excuse since they have all the resources and talent in the world…

[@PaulClipMaster]

What goes up must come down. It's not a question of "if" but "when". Decline is an inevitable feature of everything that has ever existed in the universe.

[@vickie_g]

The when might be decades away... And I fear that it will outlive the movie making as we know it...

[@cpt.corval9959]

Moon knight is a character that though makes some jokes rarely, is a brutal angry disturbed man, sipder-man is a fun loving poor kid that wants to help while make shitty jokes, they are the opposite but they have crossovers all the time, they work together. This is how the MCU should be, just cause they crossover doesn't mean they're the same

[@TheEclecticDyslexic]

One year later... Nope they learned just about nothing

[@rayhunnit]

I think Marvel has done a good job de-escalating the MCU. WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Loki allowed these characters to have more personal stories rather than the occasional superhero affair (although some achieved that more than others). I’m excited to see Shang-Chi and what it has in store.