How the MCU Can Make a Comeback! w/

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

Dan is one of my top 3 favorite KZbinrs. Love this symbiotic relationship you two are starting with these crossover videos.

[@JuanRodriguez-tf7fh]

Venom: "Symbiotic" you say? 😏

[@analogblues]

Fantastic conversation between you and Dan! Please do more collabs! You two are my favorite movie YT channels. You're both deeply passionate, positive, and avoid negative drama just for the clicks. Mad respect to each of you. Would love to see more videos of you together!

[@shoefury]

Love the surprise collab. You two are literally the only ones I go to for “info-tainment”. Sean for rankings. Dan for charts. Both for reviews.

[@paradisecity0406able]

These Dan Murrell videos are a great way to spend the weekend

[@peterlyon367]

The tragedy of Chadwick Boseman looms large here. Black Panther was such a huge hit. It actually made more domestically than Infinity War. That was a lead character that could have centered phase 4. Just wasn't an option. And ownership elements mean that they cannot have Tom Holland's Spider-Man take the reins, either

[@nicktom23]

More crossovers with Dan please!

[@Mickey-1994]

It will never be as big as it used to be. The comic book movie boom is over.

[@JB-vq6xv]

I feel it’ll have a gradual comeback

[@littlecolumbia22]

My 2 favorite film content creators collaborating is so exciting! Thank you

[@pretentiousz]

I dont think they could really fix anything at this point. Like can you even imagine any of these characters interacting in an Avengers movie??

[@jesseowenvillamor6348]

Toxic pessimism

[@pretentiousz]

@@jesseowenvillamor6348 not being pessimistic. Just being real.

[@alizainaladnani4252]

I think projects like invincibles, the boys,... Show that superhero fatigue isn't the problem. The problem is poor writing and marvel repeating the same stories over and over

[@NinthShinigami]

I’d throw My Hero Academia and One-Punch Man in there too. They’re manga and they’re managing to outsell Marvel and DC Comics aka the big dogs. As a superhero fan it’s a sorta L not really and as an anime/manga nerd it’s an absolute W

[@teddyking6563]

One of my all time faves. Dan Murrell is always a hit

[@MikeHudspeth]

Yessss!! Keep this going! I love the Sean and Dan collabs. You guys compliment each other so well

[@DanielPerez-ww2bq]

Hi sorry for the random question but in no order who are your 10 favorite animated movie directors?

[@benwasserman8223]

Marvel is more than capable of making a comeback. The big question is whether people WANT it to come back. You get the sense there's a mix of burnout and resentment at the MCU continuing to exist whether fans like it or not. Not to mention even fans don’t know what kind of stories would make the franchise work again (Deadpool 3, however good or bad, will be its own anomaly).

[@kingkatsudark2473]

i think i read somewhere that Bob Iger himself admited that Disney had overdone it in terms of Marvel content ever since he stepped down as CEO and thats why people aren't that hyped about the MCU anymore. in his opinion it should go back to the way it was when the MCU started (only one or two movies per year instead of four movies and two tie-in TV shows being released back to back every year).

[@BussinandDiscussin]

Also I just thought of something interesting: what we have is a really weird storytelling going on, if you think about it half or more of what Marvel puts out... had nothing to even do with Multiverse. Its like we have several things going on: The Thunderbolts - Black Widow, Falcon & The Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion kinda The Cosmicverse - Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Marvels The Multiverse Saga The problem isn't even that multiverse is confusing and hard to grasp but there are lowkey several storylines happening that most movie fans don't quite even realize is going on because there hasn't been a Thunderbolts trailer yet.

[@Amoraszune]

Nice collab! Thanks!

[@jbrblake]

More of these collaborations with Dan! Loving it!

[@tywayne3]

I partially agree with the point of making every movie a must see. I think the MCU is so big they need to break it into 5 different branches....street, horror, mature, global, and cosmic (and maybe animation or external crossover i.e. Sony). Everything doesn't need to tie in but the main work will be to ensure that NOTHING conflicts. Tie ins in the level of AoS or Defenders is sufficient at this level besides a team up or crossover every few years.

[@zunaidparker]

I could watch a video of you two reading the phone book. Fantastic energy having both of you sharing your thoughts in dialog format. More of this please!

[@giocatore_83]

I forgot about the term toxic positivity that is absolutely a real thing.

[@peterfrost377]

Elseworlds marvel content would also be dope if done right. Imagine an R-rated Black Widow & Hawkeye espionage action crime thriller film trilogy made by the filmmakers behind The raid 2011 & The night comes for us 2018 with different actors as the leads.

[@TundraCH]

Phases 1-3 were: a storyline directing right to this Avengers movie, and now this Avengers movie, and now that Avengers movie. It's clear they dont want to make another Avengers movie right now and just want to make one big Avengers movie, and it just hasn't worked in their favor at all.

[@jacobfleming3926]

I think that they need to focus on darker and more mature stories. The people who have been watching the MCU since it began are obviously much older. We need darker and more mature stories.

[@benwasserman8223]

We did that with the Netflix shows. Problem is, aside from a few seasons, the majority of their output was really meh.

[@Filmyzaada]

They need to stop going woke

[@benwasserman8223]

@@Filmyzaada Yeah they always have been. Just go back and watch the 90s X-Men cartoon.

[@jacobfleming3926]

@@benwasserman8223fr. I’m re-watching it right now and it’s so on the nose with all of its metaphors. Plus, rouge and many of the female characters are consistently shown to be badass

[@mugen9147]

@@jacobfleming3926 MCU is woke though because they choose to not write out their characters. Nothing is compelling or interesting about Captain Marvel, Riri, She-Hulk or others and a just a face for feminism. Rogue was very well written in that show as were the other female characters. That’s the difference from good writing and what’s being called woke.

[@UnknownEX0]

It definitely can make a comeback if Disney stop directing all their attention to making these projects solely based on DEI/ESG

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

If DEI and ESG aren’t LEGALLY taken down, than movies will never be good again. Ever.

[@BleuetsBleuets]

Two of my favorite KZbin movie channels coming together! Two intelligent guys talking movies, I hope to see future collaborations with Dan, you both are amazing! It's like the flintstones meet the jetsons, an epic crossover!

[@wallypeffercorn]

I love seeing these two perspectives on this topic. Keep this team up going.

[@ractsninjas]

Song writing is part of the budget of Joker 2. Remember it's a musical.

[@kristjanbirnirivansson528]

11:40-12:10 I hink everyone needs to hear this.

[@thomaskaechelin]

I hope the MCU gets the Fantastic Four right. For me personally I didn't like any of the previous four Fantastic Four movies. I really love the characters. I just want to see a good Fantastic Four film.

[@JoeJoe-lq6bd]

Look at Poor Things. That movie's production was immaculate on a $35 million budget. I can't imagine you need more work on production for anything that isn't really effects-heavy. So I really can't figure out these non-epics costing $150 million-plus.

[@deanholt2135]

Two of my favourite KZbin movie guys on one video. Great video and pretty much agree on all the points

[@theanatomyoffilmandcinema]

1 - Take a break. Like Sean saws “Absence makes the heart grow fonder.” 2 - Hire creatives who have experience and let them cook - no feige-directed films 3 - Limit the amount of content per year. I personally think they should also stop the Disney + shows entirely b/c it isn’t rly working for most people 4 - let the creatives make good quality films that are DIFFERENT from the Marvel formula 5 - Stop worrying so much about the future. Focus mainly on individual, standalone movies that are great. Start doing more interconnectivity when people are starting to care more about the movies

[@andrewryan2400-z3d]

Yes, you are right on the money

[@iraford5788]

Feigie doesn't direct the films, he's just a producer on them as that's why him and Marvel studios hire different directors for thier films.

[@rooster-bh6td]

more collabs with dan for sure!

[@BussinandDiscussin]

The multiverse saga was not enough foundation to make it intelligent enough to go for years and years. It unravels with one phrase: if you die in this universe, your other universe copies of yourself live on. Bye bye stakes. They should have set a limit, either this story is a fun 18 month storyline that begins and ends with Loki, includes various other "What If" type projects and is just a lighthearted breather in between Endgame and Dr. Doom Saga OR they use Kang and give him a special "Ray Gun" that can erase ALL copies of a character in ALL TIMELINES. This would be literally what the TVA is seeing with the "thread unraveling" - it is explained that timelines are crumbling in chaos because one entire character was erase from all timelines, lets say Ant Man. Now stakes are on like Donkey Kong. The ending of Quantumania is The End of Scott Lang. Ant Man gets hit by Kangs Death Gun and we see you can erase a character from all timelines. Its not a Ray Gun "point and shoot" of course you need to put someone in a stasis for a while to erase them giving The Avengers time to rescue future characters. People want to see big stakes or have fun, they chose a very lukewarm in between confused way of telling the story imho.

[@Daq1999]

Dan always nails it right on the head

[@y3ee3e]

amazing crossover. Dan is great

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

Yep 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@sliceofheaven3026]

MCU seems to throw heroes into their films which arent that well known. This wouldnt be a problem in itself but they also seem to be in a hurry to introduce as many other heroes as they can in the movies that they produce. For example Eternals was a clear example of a movie where they just threw a bunch of new heroes into the mix while giving barely anytime for any of them to be fleshed out in a way that they should have been. Also cant believe how badly they messed up the multiverse by making seemingly movies that felt for the most part disconnected from each other or from the new main baddie aka Kang. Then when they finally gave Kang his time on the big screen he was defeated by just one single hero. Basically deflating the threat that Kang presented to the whole Marvel universe.

[@mark2graves-movies689]

10:45 "oh ok... You're becoming one of 'those people' who tell the facts" 🤣

[@TheLovelypecan]

You guys are awesome

[@andrewb5429]

You should go see Bob Marley: One Love and do a review of it on your channel.

[@BobaFatt997]

Just make your Dune: Part Two review already.

[@pretentiousz]

Also make more videos with this guy!

[@alberto5147]

I have big-budget fatigue, I enjoyed Joker and I was going to see Joker 2 but not anymore. I can’t exactly explain why but knowing that a movie is that expensive I have tendency to stay away.

[@nerdcentral5271]

They are going to make a huge comeback this year with deadpool Loki season 2 had big ratings and echo did well the deadpool 3 trailer broke records xmen 97 trailer broke records there is a lot of interest still marvel studios is still very popular

[@mugen9147]

That’s just delusional 🤣 just because a trailer breaks records doesn’t mean the movie will too 😂

[@nerdcentral5271]

@@mugen9147 look what happen to endgame, infinity war and Spider-Man no home all three had huge trailer debuts and we’re monster hits deadpool 3 is going to be massive hit there’s a alot of hype

[@iraford5788]

​@@mugen9147literally every MCU trailer that broke records since civil war in 2016 has went on to become massively successful and it's most likely going to be the same with Deadpool and Wolverine my dude lmao 🤣.

[@mugen9147]

@@iraford5788 I have no doubt the movie will be successful but it will not make a huge comeback for MCU as the op said. That’s where it’s delusional

[@johnnyblaze973-p2m]

@@mugen9147 Dude, you’re at a point now that even if they do put out a great project and does well at the box office you’re going to make all types of excuses to why people liked it and you’re gonna try and downplay their success

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Since WB is being careless with their budgets, does that mean they could be careless and give us that animated Batman Beyond movie👀?

[@ddeters07]

All of his acceptance speeches make it obvious: RDj is sorely missed.

[@jesseowenvillamor6348]

If you're suggesting for RJD to come back, just stop that.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Nothing can save the MCU Deadpool will only delay the inevitable

[@NightwingTV]

Ummmk

[@spacedude1145]

Pretty much. I don’t know what the heck the MCU will do after Deadpool 3.

[@UnknownEX0]

You’re not wrong, projects like No way home and guardians are just buying them time to keep making the same mistakes

[@2hoots1cup]

I disagree that the direction of the MCU was clear in phase 1. It became clear after The Avengers teased Thanos and they saw the fans excitement. And even then, phase 2 had a bunch of movies that did not point towards that Thanos story and that's ok. Revisionists history is making Phases 1 and 2 seem to be top tier overall when in reality it was the same as Phases 4 and 5, a few hits holding them up...

[@jesseowenvillamor6348]

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about

[@sameerwafa2943]

I blame marvels decline on bob chapek who stripped Kevin fegie’s power and made his banker buddies in charge of what projects had to be made. Since bob iger is back Kevin fegie now has his power back so I don’t think it’s entirely his fault. If the mcu is still the same way 2 years from now, then we can start pointing fingers at fegie.

[@mugen9147]

People put too much trust in Iger, the man has lost his touch entirely and people still want to believe and trust in him. It’s like Disney’s Zack Snyder and the Snyder cultists

[@jahdorose8659]

Was been confirmed venom 3 going to be the last venom movie

[@ryanking8227]

Good video👍 I believe after Deadpool 3, The MCU will have its charm again

[@mugen9147]

The false optimism so many have for after Deadpool 3 is hilarious to me

[@jamesg8175]

Doubt it. Agatha is next then bargain bin Captain America.

[@iraford5788]

​@@jamesg8175No, Deadpool 3/Wolverine is literally the next MCU movie coming out this year before Agatha and Cap 4 and that's just an objective fact my dude.

[@jamesg8175]

@@iraford5788 I know. Whatever good DP3 does, Agatha and Cap will undo

[@spacedude1145]

I think they need to drop the multiverse storyline, and focus on more darker and realistic characters.

[@thecomicdirector8417]

What are your thoughts on the live action naruto film being directed by destin daniel cretton?

[@knaditya8228]

I love watching both of you and hearing what you have to say but I just wanted to say the videos need to be edited in some different way cuz right it feels like a news conference or a discord call which can be fun but for some reason it's not here..

[@jahdorose8659]

Great video tho guys

[@pretentiousz]

I think Thor's 4th movie should've been so good and really introduced him as the new main guy in the franchise. Instead, we got Thor's Love and Thunder and totally butchered the character. Easily the worst movie in the mcu.

[@linkinfool]

Everything will be fixed now that Bob Iger back and Kevin Feige back in control. Chapek screwed the MCU up big time.

[@mugen9147]

Iger cultists believe way too much in their lord and savior when he’s clearly cheapening the whole Disney brand

[@ahmadmohammed4212]

That’s not true

[@linkinfool]

I don't believe in Iger himself, but with him back, he gave control back to Feige which Chapek took away. When Feige was in control, the MCU was killing it and things weren't rushed like they were under Chapek. Feige should be able to right the ship... he already started by only having Deadpool come out this year to reset things, and not have as many streaming shows.

[@jesserussell9286]

A lot of this is just them talking about themselves and not how MCU makes a come back

[@iraford5788]

Yep exactly which is why I don't take they're opinions on this topic seriously.

[@michaeljordan5630]

If you are someone who all for it all against Disney. Then your not helping.

[@ironbro2794]

I feel like one issue the MCU made was dwell too much into identity politics in which all our male Avengers (except for Cap) got a female replacement. Not to mention other garbage such as Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. An Ironheart and WhiteVision series seem completely unnecessary for the MCU to move forward.

[@NightwingTV]

Didn’t think Ms marvel was garbage but ok

[@ironbro2794]

@@NightwingTV I found the show to be too cringey and disrespectful in terms of representing Muslims as someone who is one myself. I don’t want any of that stuff in the MCU where it doesn’t even belong in the first place.

[@spacedude1145]

@@ironbro2794Ms. Marvel wasn’t that bad. Sure, it wasn’t great, but it was at least tolerable compared to She-hulk.

[@mugen9147]

Ms Marvel really was a dump, I like the actress for her but the rest of the show sucked

[@UnknownEX0]

@@NightwingTV analytically the show, movie and game bombed. It’s obvious that it’s not sustainable to keep pushing her out

[@Zombeastsqurl]

Hard to believe it's been 5 years since endgame and just how far down the hill the MCU has fallen

[@iraford5788]

Not really.

[@guyincognito143]

Wokeness ruined the MVU 100%.

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

DEI ruined it

[@jahdorose8659]

To be fair morbrius and Madame Web is not MCU marvel movies main reason why it's failed can't compare it to Spiderman no way home

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

I don't think anyone expected them to be No Way Home. We just wanted movies with a clear identity and purpose. Instead we got movies seemed less interested in their leads and more interested in dropping easter eggs for spider-man

[@jahdorose8659]

@@SeanChandlerTalksAbout right but unfortunately Sony have no idea what they doing they can't make a good Spider-Man related movie without marvel Disney help

[@DaPoetRapp]

Unfortunately it's another classic Disney bait-n-switch. Pedro is a horrible casting and Mr. Fantastic will become the beyonder or whatever and then Sue will end up leading the team. Another girl power bs woke swap. There is no superhero movie fatigue. There is "this is not what is on the page, nore what we want" fatigue. I know you hate that woke tag but it is facts at this point. This Marvel is not for actual Marvel fans.

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

Facts

[@shannontessaro1753]

First!

[@FrostSpirit617]

MCU/marvel studios will never recover as long as it’s owned by Disney.

[@terrymcginnis01]

Why?

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

Look at the DEI chart Disney has for movies and shows. Elon musk exposed it. It’s actually insanity.

[@SinkfieldHoops]

You guys clearly forgot how long we didn’t see certain characters again in the infinity saga…Don’t know why this is different. This is one stance I will always push, there’s multiple characters we didn’t see for 2-3 years as well during the infinity saga. Stop picking and choosing just cause. I broke this down in a comment on your channel before and listed everyone and every group we didn’t see.

[@bobross1829]

They cannot. Superhero movies need a long rest. The genre is fatigued and really the other side of that opinion is in denial. It isn't just the movies are now "bad". They are bad BECAUSE it is fatigued. The good ideas are already done. The main characters that actually have mass appeal have been done to death.

[@johnnyblaze973-p2m]

Hands down the dumbest comment I’ve ever read

[@bobross1829]

@@johnnyblaze973-p2m okay fanboy

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

Comeback? Haha have any of you actually read the DEI lists that Elon musk exposed for Disney?? Nothing will be good again until that’s legally taken down.

[@Emschough]

Russo bros

[@Emschough]

Bad writers

[@Ruudgi]

Sean why you so scared to say their names i.e. Critical Drinker, Mauler, Geeks & Gamers, Disparu, Nerdrotic, HeelvsBabyface, RKoutPost, Chris Gore. Sometimes their points of view are needed too, especially in the Hollywood industry. It doesn't mean that all they're saying are negative things but that we have to hold companies like Disney, Sony, Paramount, WB, Universal accountable for their actions and what they choose to put out in theaters.

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

DEI ruined Disney

[@chukozkorrea714]

There's no need for a comeback the mcu should die already unless its in animated form which marvel would have more control over instead of Hollywood continuing to butcher and rewrite history for the marvel characters

[@HULKHOGAN1]

Nah the MCU can get lost. Need more epics that take themselves seriously

[@joshmonzo3571]

Dune 2 was terrible! Just watch the 80s one. Same thing. This one just adds a weak gay lead who couldn’t hurt a fly. Stop making it sound impressive! Silence! Yourself.

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

😬😬😬😬😬 Nah man. The 80s one doesn't work at all.

[@joshmonzo3571]

@@SeanChandlerTalksAbout I appreciate the reply on my RedFlag comment. I love what you do, and usually agree with you. Dune was suppose to be cool, although I had never watched the old ones before hearing about this new wave of Dune movies, so I didn’t know (and still don’t know the future of) what is to come. Batista, Brolin, Bardem, Mamoa. That was the reason and promise of seeing the first one-a man’s movie. This one just takes what is left of those characters and makes them laughable or pathetic, and so to a Man just trying to watch a Man movie. I get a worm, a weak love story, terrible lore that just comes off as feminist with how many important female characters are brought in, as the men are killed or just breezed over. Leaving one part for a Serious, Dominant male role. Given to a little pip squeak. I see now that the character is suppose to be 16, and so bc he looks so immature and fragile for real life at age 28, he works for some…. Explain then, how some 16 year old is then looked at like a (23 year old) way more intimidating Anakin Skywalker? The force vs the voice? I just don’t get anything that Dune was/is going for. Put Brolin in that part to make it believable… rant over lol.