How The MCU RUINED The Young Avengers

[@Fantagonistic]

Are any of these new heroes still salvageable to be big characters in the MCU? Or is it too little, too late?

[@vindozadm7772]

There are some things that I would change but I don't think they're ruined I think they are a salvageable. It just takes good writing. Although, you make great points

[@vova2422]

@@Fantagonistic I think the problem is that they are afraid to use these characters. If you look at the first MCU Saga, then for all 23 films, even secondary characters had 5 or more appearances in different films, and in the main ones, all 9-10. And not all of these characters were liked by the audience from the very beginning. But they did not put them on the shelf, but used them again and tried to do better each time. Now each of the main characters in the new Saga has a maximum of two appearances in different projects. How does Marvel want people to love these characters as much as the original Avengers if they don't even get a chance to get to know them properly? Did the audience like Shang Chi? Let's not make him a sequel for a few more years! Did the audience not like the Iron Heart or the Eternals? Cancel all our future plans for them, and postpone what we have already done as long as possible so that people forget that they don't like these characters. JUST USE YOUR CHARACTERS AND MAKE THEM BETTER EACH TIME! Although the audience is also to blame. Because if someone previously didn't like, for example, the second Thor, then it was simply perceived as a bad movie. Now, if someone doesn't like something, then it equates to the end of the world and the coming of Satan! I don't know how Marvel should work normally in such conditions.

[@Mr-dl9dz]

Simply due to her optimism Ms. Marvel probably could be saved if they just focus on her and only her no teams no other marvels just her having her own adventures again

[@DEADCALMCOMIX]

Id be interested to see Hawkeye ma marvel and Patriot the rest meh

[@ashx20afterdark14]

You skipped Kid Loki 😅

[@youdontknowme-u2e]

Kang arc and the young avengers arc was definitely ruined

[@andrewwashere82]

Sucks too, I was looking forward to Kang. He's one of my fav villains!

[@youdontknowme-u2e]

@ same bro Kang is a amazing villain

[@sebman6031]

Honestly, young avengers have always been the discount team you read after you are out of Avengers stories to read and then you realize how you only were reading avengers cause Xmen is being rough lately

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

@@sebman6031 That’s crazy bc the YA books have always been good. Majority of their runs are solid 8/10s.

[@Peacemaker2024-A9T]

The problems with the Young Avengers is that the MCU removed and fired Kang the conqueror, the Young Avengers nemesis, therefore also removing Iron Lad the leader and the person destined to assemble the Young Avengers, also most of them just have bad, arrogant personalities like America Chavez is suppose to be a fearless badass, not a scaredy-cat, and how the MCU made Cassie Lang an unbearable asshole, or like how Ironheart makes us Iron man fans miss him even more, but for what it is worth Kate Bishop is my favorite and only best Young Avengers to ever come out of phase 4.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

I like Ms. Marvel and billy

[@NOAHandmycreations]

And don't worry I'm thinking of a way how the champions should go I'll type it all down and send it to marvel Studios and hope they take my idea

[@Mrsplifferdoodle]

Kamala khan is great to buddy

[@Peacemaker2024-A9T]

@Mrsplifferdoodle Well, the character, actor, and her energy were good. it's just her villains were forgettable, and they did her origins dirty.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

I just finished writing it and it's so cool but I can't spoil it so you will have to wait till marvel Studios except my idea 🤫

[@elijahhh222]

The kid from iron man 3 would've been a good iron lad then later giving us the kang twist

[@THE_INFECTED]

The only character I liked was Kate Bishop she feels like an actual character unlike the others

[@abhikmoj5853]

I share your opinion wholeheartedly.

[@TheTom20]

I like Ms Marvel too but yeah others are mid

[@kmtkmt1374]

Kate is good but Billy Maximoff has more character depth and complex backstory like his mom

[@THE_INFECTED]

@@kmtkmt1374 oh my bad mate haven’t watched Agatha, is it good?

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

I prefer ms marvel

[@laserbeamlightning]

Also forgetting black panthers son who showed up in a manner nearly identical to Skaar

[@Fantagonistic]

@@laserbeamlightning I thought that was awkward too, but he’s so young I doubt they’ll use him here.

[@bowenandcomics18]

I have hope for Billy simply cause his villain kinda side might make him stand out and his backstory is pretty rich.

[@christianvondruska8244]

The young avengers in the MCU were doomed from the start, but especially now that Kang's been thrown out because of Majors' firing

[@eon001]

This is why they should have stayed the course with Kang and recast.

[@BillyWiccanHex]

And then there's Kid Loki...who wasn't even mentioned cause no one remembers him lmao

[@SeanWheeler100]

We saw Kid Loki in the Void in the Loki series. Unless you're talking about how this video never mentioned him?

[@BillyWiccanHex]

@@SeanWheeler100 yeah I meant the video never mentioned him lol

[@JurassicRod]

All the kiddie Avengers they've introduced have seemed pretty much the same as each other and none of them likeable or charismatic. Mainly seem like a bunch of bratty teen girls.

[@loganr6203]

I disagree on Kamala Kahn but agree on all the others. They all suck except her for me

[@JurassicRod]

@@loganr6203 Yeah she did have a more likeable charisma to her actually when she isn't screeching over the top. Kinda forget about her as I only saw her in Captain Marvels 2 but she was the only real highlight of that.

[@NoirNameless]

Yeah. They’re either all little Peter Parker’s who act like fanboys or just quirky and quippy. That’s not really interesting at all. There won’t be any real contention or anything with their dynamic as a team if they’re all basically the same character.

[@JurassicRod]

@@NoirNameless Yeah I'm quite intolerant of ''quirky and quippy'' characters now in films. Unbearable.

[@aetriandimitri190]

Hey kate was adorable, her charisma was the fact she was an absolute failure of a person and that makes her instantly one of my faves. Her chemistry with Yelena was one of the best parts of hawkeye

[@alexanssr18]

Am I the only one who has no interest in the young avengers? I’d rather Marvel focus their efforts into the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. And if there is to be an avengers team, it should only be the new avengers, not the young ones.

[@talos4702]

No you aren’t. These legacy characters are so boring and generic looking. You literally have to invest hours if not days worth of catching up on marvel tv shows, just to understand who they are. And I don’t think the average person wants to do that. I don’t want to do that and I consider myself a pretty big marvel fan.

[@ratten09]

Yes, you are.

[@talos4702]

@@ratten09 wrong

[@ratten09]

@@talos4702 is you

[@RajaSingha-cb9fv]

Even I don't give a shix about the young anything, would rather see sentry, fantastic 4, x men, nova, miles Morales ( only young sup I want)

[@montebeverly237]

Realistically speaking outta all of these characters Kamala is the one people probably know the most cause everyone knew about her even before the show. Besides Miles she’s one of the most well known newer characters in Marvel

[@Fantagonistic]

@@montebeverly237 To comic fans yeah, but to your regular non-comic knowledgable audience I don’t think so.

[@montebeverly237]

@ it would still probably be Kamala because of cartoon shows she’s been in outside of the comics and the MCU. For the rest of the their popularity is tied to the comics and MCU. And if not Kamala then definitely Wiccan because of Agatha’s success and just gay people in general

[@NOAHandmycreations]

I Realat to kamala a lot

[@TheGeekzNetwork]

I think Marvel ignores The Young Avengers on purpose because we already got this perfect, 2008 animated film, the Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. Yeah it’s an animated movie you watch on TV, but, like the DC Animated Universe, it’s perfectly big and epic. When it’s big and epic, it wasn’t trying to look ahead to others.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@TheGeekzNetwork A Next Avengers live action could be interesting if done right.

[@abbc2105]

I feel like they are gonna try to roll some of these characters into a “West Coast Avengers” movie, following after Secret Wars and Vision Quest.

[@vova2422]

If you look at MCU as a whole, we've lost a lot of potential Avengers movies along the way. For example, New Avengers after Age of Ultron, or Secret Avengers after Civil War. And besides it just being cool to get more movies about different Avengers, it would also make room for supporting characters like Natasha, Clint, Sam, Wanda, Vision, and Rhodey. And when it came to making them the main characters in the next phases, people would accept them better, because they would know them better. Then in the next Saga they could introduce the Dark Avengers. Valentina de Fontaine, on Ross' orders, would assemble a replacement for the original Avengers and the team would include John Walker, Justin Hammer, Elena Belova, Abomination, Sentry, and Bullseye (or Taskmaster if Bullseye wasn't available at the time). And now we are left without the Young Avengers, for which we spent 4 years on the teaser, and now they just pushed it to the side. And what's more, we were left without one more film about the New Avengers before Doomsday to better emotionally attach to the new team. Holy shit, we could get five different Avengers movies in each Saga!

[@cloudgeeky7817]

You make a fair point but Rhodes does have a series coming up

[@elcarlxd4486]

@@cloudgeeky7817 its cancelled

[@albertokorogu1258]

Most of those were ideas/theories though there we're seeds but it wasn't groundbreaking for the plot since all roads clearly led to Infinity War. In this case there were clear seeds and buildup only for it to poof and blunder. (And ik that's barely the cliffnotes version of it but I just don't feel like typing it all out hands tired srry if you get the gist you get it 😭😭)

[@Fantagonistic]

@@vova2422 Dark Avengers, New Avengers, and Young Avengers all seemed like obvious choices. I can’t imagine why they did none of them.

[@vova2422]

@@Fantagonistic They've been driven into a corner thinking that Avengers movies have to be these giant save-the-world or save-the-universe movies and thinking that's all the fans want. I'd happily watch a movie where the Avengers are on relatively smaller missions. Like, take a scene from the beginning of Civil War and make an entire New Avengers movie out of it. But team Crossbones up with some other cool Avengers villain from the comics or previous movies, because Rumlow alone wasn't enough for this team for the entire movie, and of course give them motivation and a plot purpose. And then just imagine, at the end of the third act, Crossbones detonates not a regular bomb, but a nuclear bomb in the middle of the city. And the movie ends with the Avengers just standing there helplessly looking at a big radioactive mushroom cloud and a city burned to the ground. The Avengers would have lost at the end of the movie, long before Infinity War, and that would have been a real loss, with no way to turn it back. I think people would have gone crazy leaving the theaters after that ending. I know it was a long time ago and these thoughts won't change anything, but I just thought about it and I can't stop thinking about it. Although it shows once again how many opportunities we missed in the rush to Infinity War and the Endgame. Looking back, doing them so quickly was a mistake. And now the same thing is happening, but worse.

[@TheChadTI]

The OG Champions (Black Widow, Ghost Rider, Hercules, Ice Man, and Angel) are the superior team.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@TheChadTI I’d certainly be pumped for that movie!

[@Mrsplifferdoodle]

Okay? Who asked or gives af?

[@TheChadTI]

@@Fantagonistic Wouldn't that be awesome?😅

[@doyscherr]

Kang in Quantumania should have been Psycho-man.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@doyscherr I 100% agree. Everything would have fit better with him as the villain

[@NightDefender1765]

I really agree on what you are talking about because I was really hyped about Kang appearing in the MCU. I saw Kang in Earth's Mightiest Heroes and I really liked the villian. Though he wasn't sadly known as much. It really makes sense that he would be the main villian for the multiverse saga since he is a time traveling conqueror. After Endgame, it would make sense for the original Avengers like Captain America to pass on the torch to the Younger Avengers where they would later face a new threat like Kang. The original three phases were well constructed. But the newer phases seem to lose that structure looking more like the Corporate Influence seems to have taken over the MCU. They only saw profit gaining as more important than writing a good story for the people. It felt more like some of the younger Avengers were being shoehorned without proper explanation nor emphasis like Iron Heart which people didn't like as much. There is also the shoehorning of the priorities of Disney Plus where people are forced to watch the Disney Plus shows just to understand the story of the next upcoming movie which feels more like a distraction. The MCU's current story does feel too over convoluted, they really tried to squeeze in Kang into Ant Man 3. That really hurt the character's reputation. The stories in the MCU now don't look like they're really leading to anywhere at all. I was really excited about the character Kamala Khan appearing in the MCU since I really liked the character in the comics and the animated media. I was disappointed because I didn't think the actress physical body size matched the character and her powers were changed a lot from the comics. The most recent worst thing was Kang was thrown out at the last minute. They shoehorned Doctor Doom into the MCU. Then they make a last ditch cash cow choice of bringing back Robert Downey Jr who used to be Iron Man and is forever known as Iron Man to play as Doctor Doom. This is why many people including myself don't follow the current MCU anymore. Disney's choices and management with the MCU shows how corporate they are, they think profit gaining is more important than the best written story that the people would want to feel immersed in. Disney doesn't respect the original legacy of the Avengers. All this will cause people to walk away from the MCU's current state hurting Disney's business.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@NightDefender1765 I wish they’d realize that writing the best story and profits actually go hand in hand! And yeah, Kang was awesome in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes!

[@andrewwashere82]

I first learned of Kang in EMH and he became one of my fav villains because of it. Was really looking forward to him as the next baddie. Loved his character in Loki too. Sucks they canceled him.

[@clumpybaker]

The performance of Kang in the MCU was terrible Jonathan Majors was a horrible choice I never liked his acting

[@RP342MMMT]

I don’t like how they all have almost identical powers It’s kind of unrealistic

[@uncannytheos2454]

The marvels or secret invasion should have introduced hulking.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@uncannytheos2454 Would have been interesting places to bring him in.

[@omoefeasiemo3601]

I can't believe this dude is already saying the movie will suck and be non profitable when the MCU bilt it's back on unknown characters ironman who? Captain America who cares? and the ironheart show hasn't fucking come out yet and he's already saying it will be bad this is the exact same thing people Said about Agatha before it proved everyone wrong what I'm trying to say is actually wait for shit to come out

[@mr.iiconic]

Trying to combine the YA with the Champions was the principle blunder to me.

[@agrimrana9518]

Not to mention the characters people usually associate with the Champions in the comics like Miles Morales, Sam Alexander, Viv Vision, and Amadeus Cho, have not been introduced into the MCU. Introducing Kamala Khan this early, especially when Carol Danvers has only had two major appearances in the MCU prior to The Marvels, is a huge misfire.

[@mr.iiconic]

@agrimrana9518 skipping Carol's Ms. Marvel era was a misfire to me.

[@agrimrana9518]

@@mr.iiconic Carol's role in Endgame wasn't even that important, especially on a character level. Avengers: Endgame was marketed to have her be one of the main leads after her solo film, yet she shows up in the opening of the movie to find Tony and Nebula (which Thor could have easily done), restrain Thanos's neck (which she didn't need to do anyway because he destroyed the stones), leave at the beginning of the timeskip so they couldn't use her overpowered abilities during the Time Heist, and show up at the final act of the film halfway in the final battle. Jesus man... we got an entire unfaithful Captain Marvel movie for that?

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

I don’t even think that is the blunder. I think it’s js their inability to capitalize off the Young Avengers hype, (not completely their fault) and now, all the actors they hired in the roles, are way too old to be called “Young” Avengers. Most of the MCU changes they’ve made have been for the better, so maybe this one will be too.

[@mr.iiconic]

@@00pium_kingvampstan even if they had capitalized it, I would have had no interest in a bizarre frankenteam. Ms. Marvel specifically should not be on the Young Avengers and I lost interest in it once they got her involved.

[@ITriggerFolks]

Iron lad was always my favorite Young Avenger

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I'm no comic reader so this whole Junior Avengers into the MCU thing feels like Cousin Oliver or Scrappy Doo all over again.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Teen heroes can be very cool, when done poorly…yeah, Scrappy…

[@MiniatureW]

Imma be real, young avengers imo is pretty mid in the comic just as their replacement champions, how I would describe them is basically Teen Titans if they just leech off the Justice League, in this case, the Avengers, most of their adversaries are from the original Avengers, and their power is nearly the same as the original Avengers but with extra step, I'm not even surprised that they made it worse considering Young Avengers is already boring on it own. Hot take, I rather seeing Marvel reattempt with The New Warriors like their attempt with Guardians of the Galaxy than seeing them writing a lite version of The Avengers.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@MiniatureW New Warriors would be dope.

[@PandoraEden]

We have to give it a Chance

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Agree never judged without watching it

[@Kai-TheFireNinja-d3y]

I think it will prolly set up vision quest or whatever it is called now

[@vginsprdsobepr9698]

Lately, all Black superheroes get a suit made of vibranium.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Not storm or blade or Luke Cage or war machine or Nick Fury they don't have Vidraniom

[@serenadesilhout]

Vibranium is the magic metal that runs the Marvel universe. Even Tony and Cap use vibranium to some extent

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

I ain’t seeing Luke cage with that

[@Mrsplifferdoodle]

Why doesn't rhoades have a vibranium suit then?

[@thelunaist2014]

Hollywood isn't into these older Avengers, only when they were younger.

[@spacedjace57]

I fear that the mcu has gotten too big for its own good. Before it used to be a few movies focused on 3 characters, now we have several movies AND shows that all have to connect some how. If they wanted to make a Young Avengers, they could have set them up in the background of other movies and not give them such pivotal roles in their stories. I loved what they did with Isaiah Bradley because you might not have to watch F&TWS to get who he is in a YA project.

[@thomasezzy]

I totally jumped the gun, cause I thought it was gonna be how the Young Avengers ruined the MCU, but as a HUGE fan of the comics (Billy and Teddy share #1 fav Marvel character spot), I'm glad others see how badly they've been added. The fact they've missed multiple projects to introduce Hulkling, partially cause they fucked up his dad/mom's lore so egregiously, and made Peter Parker more of a qualifier than Kate Bishop cause it's taking FOREVER. It shouldn't be this difficult...

[@Fantagonistic]

@@thomasezzy It really should’ve been one of the easiest wins ever for them!

[@kmtkmt1374]

They should make young avengers animated series with the same cast and the story set in main universe (MCU) yk just like jame gunn creatures commandos. Animation will work better these days.

[@vontaemusic]

The Young Avengers never happened yet. How are they ruined?

[@vernonhampton5863]

Here's how I feel: scrap this, since nobody really wants it. Focus on Blade, Midnight Suns, FF and Doctor Doom.

[@GiveonKing]

I always wanted it to be a young avengers series anyways so this is a win but my fear is that they don’t use the young avengers line up. I do NOT want to see Ms marvel again or America Chavez because America is to overpowered. Patriot, hulking, Kate bishop, Cassie lang, Wiccan and speed are the perfect options and if they don’t want to do iron lad, they can bring back that kid from iron man 3

[@GiveonKing]

But yeah ofcourse they screw it up now ms marvel is building a random team of Kate bishop and will most likely recruit Billy which I don’t mind, as long as his twin brother is part of it. Patriot will have to be apart. I don’t know about hulking cause they had 3 projects to introduce him and said no. Cassie will be there for sure as well

[@NOAHandmycreations]

And if we do get the champions i think the first 6 should be ms. Marvel, kate bishop, iron heart, America cheves, wiccan and either iron lad or patriot depending on the main villain

[@NOAHandmycreations]

And in season 2 and if season 2 villain is kang then use patriot, stinger and skar

[@kyresefleming983]

Kang losing to Ant-Man completely nullifies him as an Avengers level threat. If Ant-Man lost with either o.g. Ant-Man and/or new Wasp dying putting in a position to need help would have given some credibility.

[@Multi1]

All I know is that Marvel needs to do something or I feel execs will kill it.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@Multi1 They may reboot the whole thing sadly.

[@thekingsome8573]

You also gotta remember that the release order of phase 4 was completely screwed up by the pandemic so a bunch stuff was out of order.

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

Yeah, all the blame can’t be passed onto Marvel for this due to the pandemic delaying plans and production on most projects. And things like the writers strike on top of that didn’t help.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

And COVID 19

[@thekingsome8573]

@@NOAHandmycreations Bro that’s what I said.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Oh you said pandemic I thought u said government opps😅 and I'm thinking of a story and how to make the champions bring mcu back to live

[@BillyWiccanHex]

Naww cause I was excited for Young Avengers, even reading up on their comics. But then Hawkeye made Kate Bishop 22, currently 24. Then America wasn't a badass and instead screamed her whole movie, Billy and Tommy were recasted weirdly, Cassie was terrible, Kid Loki didn't return, Eli isn't returning, Hulkling wasn't in Secret Invasion OR The Marvels, Ms Marvel is on the team for some reason, Ironheart is on the team for some reason, they all act exactly the same, and the actors are near 30. Worst part is Kate and Billy are the best ones somehow yet they have their flaws too. Personally, I would've let younger actors age into the roles if they were gonna take this long. -Keep America and Kid Loki's actors, blip Cassie, keep Billy and Tommy's actors, make Kate and Eli younger. Like, Cassie, Billy, and Tommy's actors are 16, 13, and 15 respectively, and assuming the rumor of Vision Quest setting up Young Avengers is true, that hasn't even started filming yet, so they're perfect for the ages. And for anyone bringing up that Billy's actor would've been 12 filming Agatha...maybe...DON'T put Billy in Agatha, and instead put Nicholas Scratch????? Can't wait to see Teddy and Viv be quirky teen #6 and 7.

[@Cybertron1256]

Young avengers could work as their own solo thing, but not when it has been done already, especially with the biggest names

[@Myuutantobasuta]

I find it hilarious when this movie comes out they'll be the 40 year old avengers.

[@Alexcobra861]

At the same time it's not like it's an interesting team already in the comics, it's completely uninteresting, it's just a team created by Marvel to hope to counter and compete with the Teen Titans of DC in vain.

[@ShoutOfCoffee]

They were never good.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

10:30 where did you get that scene tell me tell me tell me tell me tell me tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Please

[@Fantagonistic]

@@NOAHandmycreations It was a recording someone took from a Disney Cruise, I believe? If you just type in the character’s names you should be able to find the clip, it’s been floating around the internet.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Thank you so much I think I want to write how I think the champions should go

[@NOAHandmycreations]

And then ask marvel if they could do it

[@andrewwashere82]

Looking forward to the possibly maybe Iron Lad video you're likely not working on. 😂

[@felixwood5]

Agree they're great in the comics but the mcu versions suck

[@mayotango1317]

They sould make a New Warriors movie first.

[@Tinclash365]

I feel like only Kate Bishop isn’t ruined

[@kadewade8726]

Nah despite the consistent marvel vids I don't prefer, this time I can fully agree 😭 half the actual members either are t who they are yet or actually matter to each other and if Ultron fr the villain he might as well be the actual big bad of the threat of the phase

[@doomer17o]

Alternatively, they could make IronHeart just be a stand in for IronLad and recast Kang as a female variant.

[@Fantagonistic]

@@doomer17o That’d make you view BP2 in a whole new light!

[@BillyWiccanHex]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD THEY'RE TERRIBLE

[@ameerwastaken]

Why do u sound like drew gooden

[@Fantagonistic]

@@ameerwastaken No, no, I sound far more annoying!

[@toanuva6178]

Give me Next Avengers any day.

[@chrisby4607]

“We haven’t seen the movie yet”

[@DEADCALMCOMIX]

You forgot about hulks don in the thumbnail

[@Fantagonistic]

@@DEADCALMCOMIX I try my best to forget about him in all situations…

[@DEADCALMCOMIX]

@@Fantagonistic lol I mean who thought that would be exciting? Imagine going on a date with that person. Epic fail

[@callmejacob3234]

I've never enjoyed the MCU anyway it peaked with Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

They haven’t ruined it yet imo, that’s a big overreaction. But they need to hurry up and announce the project already, as it’s already taking too long. Hopefully Vision Quest introduces Viv Vision, and potentially Speed, so we can at least have two members of the comic Champions on the team. I like the team so far, they js need to flesh out their personalities, which I think Viv, Speed, and Patriot will help with.

[@geenfog]

I agree. They’ve only had at least one appearance so far and not a lot to show for it. Hopefully they’re given that time to flesh out.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

They should have released it like yesterday.

[@owolabiaboyadewilliamcopel4824]

What I take away from the video is that all these characters were introduced poorly and they were sent on “kiddy missions” not to be real a$$ kickers. You give the example of America Chavez and how she was toned down. It would have been awesome to have the team go up against Kang, the real Kang. Marvel is so slow at building any real stakes they just use forgettable, minor , throw away villains which make the new characters seem weak and forgettable.

[@nicodiangelo6788]

America fought the scarlet witch. wiccan fought Death. Kate took down Kingpin. Cassie fought Kang. ik cassie’s is a little worse cause of the johnothan majors stuff but still. Kamala didn’t have a crazy villain but she’s good cause she fought alongside other heroes so she has connections.

[@NOAHandmycreations]

Agree nicy

[@uncannytheos2454]

Kinda crazy to have a gay male and all women team roster an call them the young avengers.....wheres kid loki and why does marvel hate straight men so much?

[@andrewwashere82]

I watched She Hulk to the end and I don't even remember Skar's cameo. Like where tf did he come from in the MCU (specifically)?

[@Fantagonistic]

@@andrewwashere82 Hulk just left the planet and came back with him. That’s it.

[@andrewwashere82]

@@Fantagonistic His origin would make a good MCU stand alone Hulk movie.

[@Fantagonistic]

@ That it would!

[@zoroblackzoro7696]

I literally only like Kamala and Kate

[@zzodysseuszz]

Young avengers was always ass. And was even worse before the Disney versions

[@totomen666]

love COOL new characters, not freaking legacy knockoffs & lazy mantles & Diversity hires check markers! There only ONE: Wolverine, Spider-Man, Ms Marvel, Daredevil, Hawkeye, Captain America, Iron Fist

[@ThePonderer]

I’d say let’s wait to actually see them on a team together before we judge, but that wouldn’t make for decent clickbait I suppose.

[@RandomParanoia]

🎩 🥸☕️🤏

[@Fantagonistic]

@@ThePonderer I don’t think it’s clickbait to express my opinion that they dropped the ball on what could have been a really good movie and then express my concerns over what they’re now making instead.

[@kintokatt7004]

Honestly. Dont blame disney. Blame Jonathan Majors for ruining their plan

[@ADSNavarro]

Saying "Will anyone watch this?" amidst one of probably one of the best years for the MCU since Endgame is wild

[@munny_1206]

I guess that’s why they call them opinions. So how much does poking holes in Marvel’s shit pay? Can’t be much. There’s got to be a couple hundred KZbinrs riding this wave. I won’t claim to know anything about KZbin’s pay structure but one has to think you’d draw in more viewers by being original. -Just Saiyan

[@Fantagonistic]

@@munny_1206 I am expressing my honest opinions and frustrations with the MCU.

[@munny_1206]

@ Apologies if I missed the mark but can I ask why do you still watch MCU projects if you have so many grievances with their take on the Marvel Universe or rather Marvel Multiverse

[@Fantagonistic]

@ I think they have the potential to get better and I’d really love to see them remember what makes these types of stories so good.

[@munny_1206]

@ I feel like fans have adopted this Make Marvel Great Again concept due to revisionist history. As if the MCU hasn’t always been hit or miss. Despite them finding a real hot streak towards the end of the Infinity Saga there were plenty of projects that were average movies at best. That said, the fan in me believes from Ironman to Agatha All Along (yes even Secret Invasion) were all a great time and I just don’t understand how we as fans have become so critical of something that was never anywhere near perfect to begin with, yet it always entertained. Critical to the point we’ve got the suits at Disney (a.k.a. Iger & his cronies) so gun shy they’ve begun stifling creativity to “only bet on sure things” but if the creatives at Marvel Studios were only allowed to bet on those “sure things” we wouldn’t even have the MCU. Believe it or not a videos like yours has sway on the average fan who comes across it on youtube. Die hard fans have their ticket months in advance, but the casual fan might have thought about watching Young Avengers in theaters (if it’s not released as a Disney+ show) until he saw something like this video. Now remember those couple hundred KZbinrs I spoke on in my original comment? Take 10% (probably more like 30%) of their followers and assume they’re not going to see the next MCU project in theaters because of a disparaging video they saw about said movie. Then the suits get more restrictive because of losses at the box ofc , foregoing creativity all together attempting to draw from the same well until it’s dry. Which leads to another box office disappointment, which leads to more disparaging videos, which leads to less $ at box offices, which leads to more meddling by execs in the place of creatives and the cycle repeats until the most successful movie franchise in the history of cinema is reduced to the DCEU or worse, whatever Sony is calling that shit show over there. Like you, I want Marvel Studios to keep telling good stories and continue to get better at it. Like you I have my complaints but wittingly or otherwise I won’t contribute to its demise. It’s my favorite franchise in my favorite genre and when they win, I win! So, bleak? Merit or nah?

[@palmereldritch4166]

5 minutes into this video.... And I can officially say, this narrator is a hater !! Thumbs down to this video, not a fan!

[@Fantagonistic]

@@palmereldritch4166 How can I hate if I love the Young Avengers? This entire video comes from a place of love.

[@DecoderWalrus]

Ruined? Someone is being dramatic

[@kaior1]

He's not

[@nicodiangelo6788]

@@kaior1how is he not 💀

[@kaior1]

@nicodiangelo6788 the mcu has been trash

[@nicodiangelo6788]

@ not all of it. there’s actually a lot of good things that have come

[@NOAHandmycreations]

I say 50/50 is true we are being a bit dramatic but also they could have done better