How the Raiders' obsession with success led to prolonged failure

Al Davis had a fairly simple mantra: just win baby. The Oakland Raiders did a lot of that from 2000-2002, culminating in a trip to the Super Bowl to face their former coach and architect of that early 2000s squad. As we all know, for Oakland, it didn't go well...like at all.
But having won three straight division championships, there was understandably a belief that this team could maintain some level of success. They made it to the Super Bowl once, why couldn't they do it again? Well, as it turned out there were quite a few reasons. Check out this episode of Collapse to relive how they fell from greatness.
Written and produced by Will Buikema (@wbuik)
Edited by Ryan Simmons (@rysimmons)
Shot by Joe Ali (@draftdaydeion)
Graphics by Phil Pasternak
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[@SecretBaseSBN]

My favorite thing about this (that I didn't have time to squeeze in) was that in 2008, the Raiders were so bad that four of the five teams they beat then immediately got rid of their coach. Thinking about starting a blog on sbnation.com where we can post details like that or go deeper into aspects of this that didn't fit the video. Would y'all read that sort of thing?

[@guccigucci5002]

YOU IDIOTS ALWAYS USE THE WORD "DECIMATED" WRONG. DECIMATED MEANS TAKING OUT 10% OF SOMETHING. ACTUALLY IF YOU GOOGLE DECIMATED MISUSE YOU WILL SEE FOR YOURSELF

[@chrollolucilfer8618]

Oh yes. Bring it on please.

[@uncreative5766]

Do it!

[@rafayam9243]

What about a Post Championship 2011 Dallas Collapse or 2011 NBA Finals Rewind?

[@JohnSmith-cp5qg]

yes

[@kylesheridan1608]

I find it fascinating that Immediatly following the Buccs-Raiders superbowl, both teams collapsed.

[@jeremythompson9122]

Gruden sucks. Overrated then and even more overrated now

[@samueljohnson9723]

The Bucs mindset, "Nah fool we already won 1 Super Bowl"

[@wickdolf5692]

It's a really interesting story, where both teams lost their best asset at head coach. It was unsustainable for the raiders after gruden left and they chose to keep everything the same, and the bucs were unsustainable after removing Tony Dungy and replacing him with Gruden. That being said Gruden was able to take the bucs to the next level when they were still "Dungys" team. Unfortunately the next year things began to decompose because the mindset of defense would become secondary to Grudens offense prowess. Gruden is a good coach, but he won with someone else's team against his own team. It's really cool that the team he built made it to the superbowl without him leading it in my opinion. And it's also really cool that he became a plug in head coach who took a playoff caliber team to the next level and won the superbowl. Sorry for the rant haha

[@sawyertuide7636]

I think it was unsustainable either way for the Raiders even had Gruden stayed for 2002, though they might’ve won because Gruden goes with the run focus that Callahan had originally planned without changing it. But age catches up with everyone.

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

Eh that's what happens when your modern NFL team is built on defense.

[@h0tsalsa]

Will AB get an entire episode of Collapse to himself?

[@JoshGeoGoose]

Mr. Big Collapse

[@Tubeite]

His ego would only be satisfied with an entire season dedicated to himself.

[@GenericUserNameHere]

Tomlin’s Steelers could get one

[@Jakeito413]

Madden Curse.

[@FlyingV555]

h0tsalsa they did one with Tiger Woods so they probably will

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

Listen to me: you guys have to do the LA Kings. Their post-2014 collapse is one of the most salacious, compelling sports collapses of all time. They went on an insane, dominant 3-year run from 2012-2014, in which they won two championships and reached the conference finals in between. They were virtually unbeatable in the playoffs during those years. Then it all fell apart. Mike Richards was arrested at the border with a truckload of OxyContin. Slava Voynov was arrested for beating up his girlfriend. And Jarret Stoll was arrested for possession of cocaine at a Vegas club. The team imploded overnight. They missed the playoffs in 2015, were bumped in the 1st round in 2016, and missed the playoffs again in 2017. Their Cup winning coach and GM were fired in 2017, and now they’re in the middle of a rebuild. They went from one of the most dominant three year runs in hockey history to a scandal ridden joke in the course of literally one season. It’s insane. Oh, and that last Cup they won in 2014? They won it on Friday the 13th. Can’t make this stuff up. Great content. Do it.

[@MrPooly1459]

Maybe in a couple of years depending on if guys like Doughty and Quick leave.

[@comicbookninja5268]

I'd like to see see that too.

[@Musicrecords10]

Don't really see the collapse in this, they won 2 cups in 3 years, most franchises haven't won one in 30 years

[@sjdrifter72]

@blake bunker This is just an excuse to hate on an L.A. team, like what else is new? I've got a far better one...the Toronto Maple Leafs who haven't been to the Stanley Cup Finals since they last won it in 1967, the very year the Kings began play in their first season. If the Leafs fail to win in 2021 they'll equal the New York Rangers cup drought record at 54 years. Top that one, blake.

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

@@sjdrifter72 I think you have a pretty vague understanding of these videos. The entire idea of the collapse series is to cover teams who were actually great and then quickly, tragically, or strangely fell apart. The 2012-2014 Kings fit that perfectly. No one cares about the endless mediocrity of the Maple Leafs. There’s no narrative there other than, “one more year of the Leafs sucking.” The 2012-2014 Kings actually have a legitimate collapse story: great team who fell apart due to off ice scandals. The Leafs have just sucked for a long time. It’s boring.

[@weeds526]

Jamarcus Russell has zero Super Bowl losses, he's the GOAT

[@behindthefern2846]

😅😂🤣

[@evildead7597]

🤣🤣🤣

[@XPROTOTYPE88X]

Harry Engel With what Quarterback? Matt Leinert??

[@williamhowe1]

You have make the Super Bowl to lose the super bowl.

[@UHOH_415]

who's that? I only know him as Mr. Jabba The Hutt.

[@jimbo-fk4dq]

From "Just win, baby!" to "just win, please?"

[@RealBlueony]

jimbo 2346 would like, but you're at 69 likes, so...

[@bitchilookgood5911]

😂🤣

[@ChristianZapien]

Just win, maybe.

[@fsanmiguel666]

"Just win, baby!", more like, "just lose, baby!"

[@daveatkins3796]

From “Commitment to Excellence“ to “Commitment to Excrement”

[@elliottryan13]

How can you talk about Oakland and not mention SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI!?

[@sgaxnikolaix661]

@Harry Engel To be fair he is the Raiders all time scoring leader.

[@mrs.y]

Exactly. The one Raider who had the best scoring record of all and I think was worth the first-round draft pick (albeit unprecedented pick for a kicker).

[@kyndread71]

@@mrs.y Absolutely. And he's still playing, too.... with the Seahawks.

[@elliottryan13]

@Harry Engel IDK I think he would've been taken before they coulda snagged him. I do see your point though.

[@XPROTOTYPE88X]

sgaxnikolaix661 I mean of course he would be, the Raiders we’re not known for scoring touchdowns in Janokowski prime.

[@BcBTheta]

It makes me wanna cry that the 2001 or 2002 Oakland Raiders didn’t win a Súper bowl... Tim brown and Charles Woodson deserves a ring with the Raiders

[@kyledamron]

Agree with you 100% I'd throw in the 2000 team too

[@jimlow6824]

The Raiders got TUCKED! I know it was the zebras that called it, but I still hate Brady.

[@orzospams9828]

Jon Jon Campbell what makes me wanna cry is that we picked jamarcus russel over Calvin Johnson

[@jrm3319]

It wouldn't have bothered me to see Tim Brown get a ring. Being a Packers fan, admittedly, I was happy to see Charles Woodson join Green Bay and help us get another Lombardi Trophy. Charles Woodson will forever be one of my favorite players; and one of the best to ever play.

[@N0TYALC]

People who don’t win rings don’t deserve rings, no participation trophies in this league sweety

[@TheLocalLt]

Is Jon Gruden the first person to be featured on two episodes of “Collapse”?

[@rogregg29445]

TheLocalLt I think so

[@brandonf.8360]

Yes, and wind up being a central figure in both

[@louzer2566]

Cuz Chucky Cheese sucks

[@tcwarden758]

Enjoy your laughs now, get it all out of your system.

[@bradleybrown8399]

The raiders were good because of gruden. That collapse wasn't on him.

[@armadillo766]

Her: Are you loyal? Me: I'm a raiders fan

[@America-jy9hz]

Natural Creature L

[@yungsammysosa6201]

I tell people this all the time😂😂😂

[@Bear-pw7nu]

TRUTH

[@rh741]

Thats a big no. Cause u cud switch to 49ers and still root for the bay team. Browns tho.... god theres no hope

[@badcornflakes6374]

@@rh741 I don't think you get what being a Raiders fan means

[@markfriedgen4125]

Y’all should do one on the Phillies team from the late 2000s I mean they literally have the most beautiful collapse line 08 win World Series 09 lose World Series 10 lose NLCS 11 lose NLDS 12 3rd in NL East 13 4th in NL East 14 last in NL East 15 worst in baseball

[@0RatedChess]

Too bad they didn’t waste a extra year to lose in the Wild Card :(

[@lindseysilva7609]

Her: Are

[@bracksampson1]

So true. Its heartbreaking to be a phils fan.

[@KaiVellichor]

Thats less of a collapse and more of a slow, painful decline

[@ehhhhhhh6141]

That 2010 year was the best. Seeing all those disappointed Phillies fans hehe

[@JR-dd4ec]

Al Davis was inadvertently tanking his own franchise when he thought he was improving it

[@NewGoldie]

Wow 2006 Raiders had a top 3 defense and finished 2-14? Has that ever been done before? 😂😂

[@Veaseify]

'They gave up the 3rd fewest yards in the league' - thats not the same as 3rd best - they were rated 8th on Defence by DVOA and 18th by Pro Football Reference and gave up 332 points -but when the team only scores 168 points, yeah you will go 2-14

[@bigblue9996]

@@Veaseify they even had Randy Moss that year.

[@Veaseify]

@@bigblue9996 Moss just mailed it in with them for a couple of seasons til he could move to a better club

[@amiel3159]

2010 chargers

[@yebobbummann1622]

1992 Seahawks went 2-14 and had a top defense

[@ruelez]

Now both sides of superbowl xxxvii have collapsed

[@khairiisa7275]

And the ironic thing is that the coach who is part of the winning Super Bowl 2002 team is now with the Oakland Raiders. How crazy is that.

[@jeff9515]

@@khairiisa7275 he won that Superbowl with Tony dungys defense not his defense. Tampa was in playoff games and reached the NFC championship game before they let dungy go.

[@robminmonaca]

The season were the pats had their only down year or super bowl hangover with Tom Brady.

[@TDPhinsTalkAdmin]

@Clayton Thornbury cough he won the Super Bowl cough

[@tymikelmusic]

Having been a Raiders fan since the L.A. days, it’s been really depressing watching my team go from the badasses of the NFL to this dumpster fire franchise they have been 16 of the last 17 years. Draft bust, bad trades, never keeping a consistent coaching staff & letting good players leave the organization have pretty much set the team back years behind everyone else...but I remain loyal to my team & only hope we can get it back together & become the badass team we used to be.

[@effend446]

The Raiders will rebound......especially once they settle in their new home in Vegas.

[@shaneburke9034]

As a Raiders fan, I also feel the same way.

[@illusioNery]

They won’t, they’ll move to Vegas and go through the motions of being the new Browns But hey, at least they’ll have a stadium that isn’t half dirt

[@unknownyes9470]

@THE KING u must not be from la.

[@unknownyes9470]

@THE KING I do know the real "info" and most people follow the raiders than hate the raiders in LA. It's like 1% la fans that hate the raiders. LA is raider town. But whatever, keep calling me names. Enjoy ur day.

[@ELJOEY420]

As a Raider fan, beautiful South Central I began as a Los Angeles Raider fan, I can honestly say this could have been a two-part video or series. Yeah it wasn't easy taking that trip down memory lane and calling out exactly what was going to happen next while watching video, but there's so much more dysfunction and unnecessary drama involved in the lowest points to the time we went 8 and 8 in back-to-back seasons and kept firing coaches. Putting That 12 win season aside, there has still been drama and unbelievable bad decisions made that this collapse is still far from over. However like a married man who continues to stay with his cheating wife I'm still Raider fan I will always be

[@vladram9084]

I know man, should have been an hour video.

[@GhOstKLuTcH1463]

Completely agree. Still wish we could be living in a world where we left gruden until we got to Vegas. Let coach Del Rio maintain the great football they were playing. I had a goooood feeling those years man, he was beloved by me

[@ullisespatino5996]

Jose jose

[@yvonnezido]

Amen brother

[@pex320]

El Joey how are the Rams and Chargers doing fan wise in LA?

[@mannydestine2994]

Do the Buffalo Bills collapse after their 4 straight super bowl appearances

[@dominiquerosemond5682]

They didn't collapse until after the '99 season

[@williamhowe1]

Now that's a tragedy of football.

[@edmundaspelund2331]

davises get in their own way stop worring about image get players that can help you win

[@giorgiogazzola5972]

As a Bills fan I would say that it would have to be a 3 part video.

[@GlobalWarmingSkeptic]

Not as much of a collapse as a slow decline into mediocrity.

[@gatienlaurol5793]

And to this day, the Raiders have had ONE winning season since their appearance in Super Bowl 37.

[@outdoorsanimalsandmusic3014]

Two now. Lol.

[@Skippz2282]

As A Raider Fan It hurts till this day how horrible this team collapsed 💔 we still tryna get the damn ship just to stay a float 😭 Just Win Baby! Win Lose Or Tie Raiders Till I Fuxkin Die! ☠️☠️☠️

[@nikeeli2342]

Alejandro Muñoz 💯

[@nwaallday3509]

Hell yeah raider nation

[@lukes3203]

“Just (want to) win baby” -AB when he left

[@ibefullofme]

AB must have a really good fantasy team

[@Austin-bo2ps]

That’s a no from me

[@kyndread71]

And now it's, "Just want to play, baby!"

[@bcubed72]

@@ibefullofme I've got AB and Kap on my fantasy team.

[@LouieOcean2]

“Just (want to) play baby” -AB now

[@DC-lu3ii]

Romanowski was such an ahole to end that kids career.

[@TheYurpman]

You could have just ended that sentence after "Romanowski was such an ahole".

[@DC-lu3ii]

@@TheYurpman 100% agree

[@Romedanger]

I love romanowski more than anything the league will always need bullies

[@sloppyy]

@@Romedanger he disfigured a person

[@dvon1097]

David C Agreed. But Romo was a HELL of a teammate. Ask anyone who played with him. They always say he was the first one to come to the aid of a teammate and was a cool guy to be around. He lived and breathed football

[@Sticktothemodels]

Haven’t heard the name Jerry Porter since like Madden 09 lmao

[@rhondaarrington3117]

him and aldon smith been hanging out 2gether✡👑

[@iamhungey12345]

I couldn't believe how he was hyped up one time.

[@OllieMartinGamer]

@@iamhungey12345 he was good. Had a huge ego issue which I read was his downfall

[@Sticktothemodels]

Faiz Ali Boy started watching football 5 years ago 🤣

[@wickdolf5692]

Jerry Porter got into it like 3 years ago when the Antonio brown vontaze Burfict playoff hit happened

[@ValensBellator]

Reminds me of FSU-Auburn championship game where Jimbo hadn’t changed their play calls and Auburn had FSU’s former qb coach reading the calls into the early 3rd quarter when Kelvin Benjamin finally noticed lol If someone from your team/staff is suddenly on the opposing sideline it’s probably best to change your calls... I mean, it’s not cheating if you never did anything wrong in gaining that knowledge :p

[@blakewaters8195]

One of these needs to be done on the 2016 Broncos to present day. Just spiraling further and further especially after the Russell Wilson debacle

[@ValensBellator]

Sounds like Callahan was Riker to Gruden’s Picard lol, never wanting his own ship. I mean, I think this is seriously overblown in reality, but it’s definitely funny.

[@mildenhall1987]

One of the hardest parts of being a Raiders fan is having to grapple with Al Davis's legacy. He is the architect of everything the Raiders represent, and of its 3 Super Bowl championships. But he's also THE reason the Raiders are one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the NFL since the 90s. The idolatry around Al is disturbing at times.

[@nobodysperfect06]

And he passed away a little over a decade ago and yet the Raiders still are still a huge mess, aside from 2016 and 2021, it has been nothing but a disaster for more than 20 years now, I like to think it started sometime in the 1980s because I think the Raiders have made the playoffs I think just 7 times since 1985

[@zendayabreeze4547]

No one understands the pain of still being a raiders fan

[@nohbuddy1]

Browns fans exist

[@AaronSaysSKOL]

I can name several teams whose fans are more miserable: Jets, Browns, Lions, Vikings, Bengals, Jaguars, and Falcons all come to mind. Edit: Cardinals, Bills, Chargers.

[@evildead7597]

I’m a Chargers fan...

[@AaronSaysSKOL]

@@evildead7597 Oh damn, I forgot about you guys.

[@kaybevang536]

Chargers and Vikings fans : Hold my football

[@sgaxnikolaix661]

As a Raiders fan I've been expecting this video. Let me see what you got, SB Nation.

[@3PCTManOrBust]

I'm a Raiders fan too and I expect him to make a Raiders collapse part 2 video in the near future. We're still re-building, we'll be back in 2 years through!

[@thiagoveloso7610]

@@3PCTManOrBust I just want Jon Gruden to keep Derek Carr and trade down. Then we start thinking about the future. However I have a feeling that we ain't going to go anywhere with him (Gruden) and Mark Davis

[@teen_laqueefa]

You are screwed out west

[@loganrasch2034]

Could you start a new series called "Rebuild", where you take various franchises that were laughingstocks or chokers (Brooklyn Nets, Milwaukee Bucks post 2001, Green Bay before Brett favre and Reggie White came in the 90s, Boston red Sox overcoming the world series drought, etc.), and their rebuilds to relevance? Great content all around, just an interesting idea for your channel. Thanks- A Devoted Wisconsin Sports Fan

[@baoboumusic]

+1. Golden State comes to mind recently. Good idea for a series!

[@tryingtopickagoodusername9598]

There are a lot of franchises where you can do this. Great idea Some franchises that pop to mind: Eagles, Rams, Astros, Nationals, Cubs

[@ryanfrazier6039]

@Trying, the Astros are a joke now.

[@checkboy8]

Saints fan here and it just sucks to see a team as historic as the silver and black just seem to never be able to get there way back to Glory

[@mrs.y]

I wish you guys could do some kind of a doc about the drama-filled dumpster fire that was the Jamarcus Russel/Al Davis/Lane Kifflin thing. I really feel that the entire situation from draft pick to the projector was popcorn-munching glory. I don't know if it'd be under beef, because it's a beef triangle, but it sure was gloriously nasty.

Mrs. Y zu

[@matthewrobert1810]

Gruden can have his own collapse episode now 😂😂😂✨

[@Rezjeck]

You really really need to do an episode on the Ottawa Senators. So close to the Stanley cup a few years ago and now firmly in the basement

[@danyheatleyall-star3677]

Rezjeck true but it would’ve been better in the start of last season when nothing was looking up now we have a good shot at laf and a lot of good prospects

[@seffor]

They finally did it

[@asecretone]

Woodson went to the Packers and he just won, baby.

[@badcornflakes6374]

Once a Raider always a Raider, baby

[@raiders7449]

TheSardonicMan he also left the packers to retire a raider.

[@jrm3319]

True. Charles Woodson was a Raider 'at heart' but his ring came with Green Bay. It's fine, he helped my Packers get that trophy then he returned 'home.'

[@dustinhouck2606]

As a lifelong Bucs fan I naturally came here after watching the Collapse of the 02 Bucs. Both are great episodes and props on creating a great series here guys. Really enjoy watching every episode even if I'm not particularly passionate about the team on a specific episode you still tell a great story and make it fun to watch and do it in a nice >20min format so I can squeeze in an episode throughout the day whenever I have the time. Keep up the great work guys.

[@DJ_Infinity317]

Thank you for this as a Raider fan since 72. I appreciate it.

[@MrLucasD123]

As a Broncos fan, I have nothing but respect for Al Davis. A true pioneer.

[@rastafariantargaryen7488]

As a die-hard Raider, I do find (in my interactions atleast) that as far AFC WEST Rival fan bases, Broncos fans seemingly are more intelligent, respectful and dignified than Charger and ESPECIALLY Chiefs fans😡 ..... That said, I do wish destruction on you guys whenever we play , you know scoreboard wise lol But it's all respect!! 🤙🤙🤙

[@purvalama6540]

I love these kind of videos keep up the great work

[@benjamincastro3619]

This story breaks my heart Because I love the raiders 😔😔😔

[@ebsmith29]

As a huge fan of the '70s Raiders, I will watch this later. I suspect parts of it will be painful.

[@pandoralover21]

Raiders, Jets, Titans, and Bucs all in one playoff season? Crazy times back then

[@User-kq7uw]

Even the Dolphins mightve been in that year or the one before

[@uncreative5766]

The ghost of Al Davis disliked this video.

[@wickdolf5692]

Al Davis came back to life to flip off Antonio Brown

[@ericperez4892]

Great stuff and topics. Keep these rolling!

[@Postalbike3]

Thank you Sports Nation for making this videos really appreciated it

[@rocketroquan5074]

SB nation posts when I get up? Heck yeah!

[@forlornvaalan7630]

"Lead the League in penalties for the 3rd straight year" Woo Raiders.

[@forlornvaalan7630]

@Harry Engel Well the Tuck Rule is stupid.

[@stephengrigg5988]

We winning in something.. yay

[@GhostRider-mm6ky]

I love this channel i’ve spent all wknd binge watching you’re playlist

[@robertbyrne6027]

This is my favourite series on KZbin 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Love to see collapse on 90s 9ers, 80s Raiders & 85 Bears 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jaydirt316]

Do the collapse of the Montreal Expos after the 1994 MLB strike.

[@Official_Kings_Versus]

Or the 90s Toronto Blue Jays after winning back-to-back World Series championships in '92 & '93

[@TheMadStork83]

That’s been overdone

[@jaydirt316]

@@TheMadStork83 The Expos? I have only seen 1 video of that.

[@TheMadStork83]

Jayson Hoffman - it’s actually easier than I thought. Here’s the link. It’s really good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5mbiaCjZZaGgJo

[@ChronosWar]

As a life-long (30+) Raiders fan, this was probably the most painful KZbin video I've ever watched (took me a while to even watch it). Now I know what the Saints fans felt like watching the "Noooo!!!" video

[@AdamWest1290]

As a raider fan thank you for this...as a raider fan this still hurts

[@gabrielsanchez1644]

Left out the fact that the Raiders always do Raider things.. like keep Derek Carr in a meaningless 2016 game after already securing the wild card, having him drop back on a 3rd and long.. trading Khalil Mack and Coop.. Not paying players. Making dumb trades lmaoo.. we have a list!

[@skyrimnoopy]

I'm curious if you still feel the same about the raiders trade now? With their draft picks from 2019 they had, arguably, one of the best drafts in the past 10 years. They got clelin ferrell, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Abrams, Hunter Renfrow, and Max Crosby. All of which, except kinda for Clelin and Abrams, because of his injury, over preformed in their debut for the raiders. Then they also got Tyrell Williams, the entire offensive line back into shape, and even though people are really arguing over Carrr, his stats, and play seems to be improving year after year. But I guess you could just generalize them and say, "Raiders will always do raiders things." If by that you meant, rebuild a team entirely to become a hopefully dominant franchise, then yeah lol, the raiders just did that, or at the very least are moving in the right direction.

[@Paulo1Paulada]

Raiders won Mack's and Cooper's trade

[@anthonylombardo4829]

@@Paulo1Pauladabears and Raiders won the mack trade

[@Themagicianscode98]

My favorite part as a raiders fan is when we were good for a solid season, and then lost our qb before the playoffs. And then after that we thought it would be better to trade our entire team :’)

[@j.k.woryonmba4207]

@Donavon Howard why would a team trade its best players to get better? Derek Carr sucks but his contract is worth 6 good defensive players that could've helped Mack. And Cooper will probably be in the super bowl this year. So whose winning?

[@rjante2236]

@@j.k.woryonmba4207 Cooper in the Super Bowl 😂😂😂

[@Dc-tz7os]

I’ve been waiting on this video for a while now.

[@jessedellross3245]

As much of a legend as he is, Davis single handedly destroyed the organization that he claimed to love. And the team has never truly recovered.

[@UHOH_415]

And now they are moving out of Oakland... again.

[@sasquatchhunter86]

The Raiders should have died with Al Davis

[@loyal2thesoil412]

You couldn’t have said it any better,,,, he was a control freak that lead the departure between him a CHUCKY ,,,, what’s funny is that the media and the NFL want people to think that GRUDEN was traded when all along he got fired , they said raiders had gotten extra draft picks which was funny becuz in those years the raiders were over there salary cap .

[@sawyertuide7636]

@@loyal2thesoil412 I don’t criticize him for the Gruden trade as much as I criticize him for not stepping aside when he was old. Our fate likely would’ve been the same if Gruden was traded or not, tho we might’ve won in 2002. Something that could’ve changed it is if Al stepped aside after 2003. He was GMJR with the Pens post 2017 before it happened.

[@jonathanramos8414]

​​@@sawyertuide7636 al definitely cemented his legacy as an NFL pioneer but his style of management was just outdated. His ideas were outdated. He couldn't keep up with other franchises. And it cost his team losing seasons and helped cement a losing culture. I feel like his son mark might be the same way. Our franchise is cursed because of the Davis name. I wanna see the raiders get a 4th ring before I die. I'm still young.

[@alitaismywaifu]

As a Raiders fan, thank you for listening to the fans. Thank you for this one, although it still hurts. And to think Kiffin wanted to draft Johnson before the Rodgers trade talk collapsed... damn. Bad picks (McClain and DHB for example) and bad personnel decisions (Dennis Allen anyone?) are still lingering the Silver and Black. Can we get an AB collapse video, or one from the Astros after their loss vs the White Sox in 2005? Another great example of one team reaching the stars, and then falling so freaking fast. But seriously, please, do the AB one.

[@kevinstewart8054]

Charlie Garner was such a beast! Such an under appreciated player.

[@kendallevans4079]

We got him on the tail end of his career, like Marshawn, Dickerson, Rathman, on and on

[@Whynotmini]

Damian lillards buzzer beater against OKC deserves a deep rewind

[@bm373]

Ty for this!!

[@pats4lifebb]

I love that both teams in this SB featured on this show so quick.

[@deanreedy5307]

Can we get how the bengals were on the brick on winning 2 Super Bowls and now haven’t won a playoff game in 20 years

[@bradleybrown8399]

They lost 'em

[@fightsports66]

The how is Mike Brown.

[@trollkenobi6727]

Finally

[@RetepAdam]

It’s kind of crazy in retrospect that the Raiders made a really good trade to extract a ton of value for Gruden... and then it ended up costing them the Super Bowl because things broke right in the NFC and they didn’t change the locks.

[@nothankyou5524]

Definitely one of your better videos. All ads are being watched as a thank you.

[@wtfiswithnogoodnames]

I think one of the craziest things is that so many of those players shown at the start basically had their careers end within a year or two of the superbowl. Gannon, Romanowski, Rod Woodson, Garner, Rice were all out of the nfl by 2004. After 2003, Callahan didn't coach again until 2012. Colemen, Porter and Woodson were the only players to make it past 2004.

[@RonRyder]

The Raiders have only had two winning seasons since 2002. Well one winning season and a tying.

[@samueljohnson9723]

12-4 in 2016, 8-8 in both 2010 and 2011

[@angeloayala2136]

They havent won a playoff game since 2002

[@samueljohnson9723]

@@angeloayala2136 Bingo. It was the AFC championship

[@sawyertuide7636]

They would’ve made it back to the playoffs in 2011... But Carson Palmer fell apart, Tebow happened, they lost 3 out of 4, you get the point. It was probably best for the NFL and the Raiders because Hue would’ve coached this team for around 3 more years if it wasn’t for that, and probably still coaching today, he’d be the replacement for Marvin Lewis in Cincy.

[@sawyertuide7636]

*we lost 4 out of 5

[@kennethzinke9168]

R.I.P. Al Davis, always to be remembered as a Raider.

[@davidtran2026]

Been waiting for this one. ;(

[@James-wk5mj]

I love this channel!!!

[@ESport211]

" Are we going to win, baby?" Al Davis, from the grave!

[@plaguedoctor5889]

Can you start a series called Rise and make it the opposite of collapse (like the Chiefs and Warriors)

[@Sfoss7]

I like this

[@kvngirvng9475]

Yeah i also like this

[@michaelvanhelten2462]

They kinda do a half heart-ed version in the Collapse videos telling how certain pieces get there in the first 30 seconds it seems. But yes Rise videos would be great.

[@nancypine9952]

You could do a whole segment on Al Davis draft choices. He had a passion for Heisman Trophy winners, even though most Heisman winners have had less than brilliant careers in the NFL. He liked to watch the college bowl games, and would see some otherwise not brilliant college kid make one great play, and decide on the basis of that play alone to take a chance on them. And then he drafted Bo Jackson, who played full-time for the Kansas City Royals after refusing to play for the Bucs, and managed to work out a deal where Jackson played for the Raiders after the Royals season was over. Davis made some terrible picks, then would balance them with a choice like Jackson. It's well worth digging into.

[@PhilliesND5]

Love this series! Please do one of the post 2008 Phillies

[@frankiel.6942]

If they had met anyone other than Jon Gruden in the Superbowl. We would have won it. And that particular Raiders team would've forever been known as"the Over the Hill Gang"

[@LoneStarGuerilla]

RIP AL ❤️

[@datfooando_]

BACK IN THE PLAYOFFS! 2022 LETS GO!!!!

[@luisgarcia-ru3sq]

I became a Raiders fan the year we lost that Superbowl, I was like 11 years old growing up in northern California, I was young but I knew a little bit about football and a little bit of the raiders I had seen a few of their games that year mainly because my friends at school would always talk about it and the day of the SB as we we're driving through the streets and seeing everyone wearing Raiders Jersey's, signs saying honk for the Raiders and the joy it brought fans seeing their team in another SB was the moment I truly became a Raiders fan and I knew this was my team, unfortunately as we all know it was a night to forget and the years that have followed except for 2016 have been truly painful, I have faith that we will eventually turn things around and return to the glory days but until then as any loyAL fan would do I will continue to cheer and support my Raiders it's the only team I have ever known and the only one I will ever love.. RAAAAIDERSSSSS!! RN4L!!

[@YaowBucketHEAD]

What's the vibe with *bowlcut* moving the team to Vegas? I imagine every single fan there is pissed and devastated, but not surprised.

[@mjf8897]

THEIR CENTER LOST HIS DAMN MIND AND NEVER SHOWED UP FOR THE SUPER BOWL. Gannon got no protection at all. Game Over.

[@carrigan308]

And the opposing teams coach knew the playbook.

[@jonnybgood1105]

They (Raiders) were still running Gruden's playbook nothing changed and he knew that

[@mjf8897]

@@jonnybgood1105 yeah I know that now that I watched the video - I just rage posted this when I first started watching it. Lifelong raiders fan living in new england.

[@rogerblewett5595]

Probably got paid to not show up

[@mjf8897]

@Arthur Lockhart Jr. no you're not correct about the 97 raiders they had a great center - a fantastic left guard - their O line was nice. they had jett as second receiver and desmond howard as third - no scrub there their TE was really good too. yeah their defense was pretty bad

[@danny9405]

Do a collapse of the 80’s New York Islanders

[@damainponce1631]

And an 80s oilers collapse as well

[@jasonsmith5226]

That was inevitable. You dont win 4 straight Cups,& make 5 straight Finals without inevitably falling off. Especially with the Oilers running around back then. Ya won 19 straight series-what else could ya want? But I do get your point.

[@TheWatchernator]

In Madden08 there is this awesome 2002 roster. I have played that 2002 Raiders franchise a few times with real draft classes. The rebuild after nearly EVERYONE retires with leaving only CW and Buchanon on the team is quite a ride.

[@RaiderJoe]

Great video, you broke everything down in great detail. Hopefully Chucky will turn the ship around around just like he did in 2000, but if not I’ll still be a die hard RAIDER ☠️🏴‍☠️

[@samo7611]

that 2016 raiders team was so special. i still get nostalgic watching their highlights, if only we had taken carr out against the colts :/

[@alphaomega354]

Weren’t we playing for a first round bye though? /:

[@samo7611]

@@alphaomega354 idk but regardless take him out. we could have seriously made a good run

[@harrisonlee9585]

So when is Collapse 2: Electric Boogaloo featuring Jon Gruden going to drop?

[@TheLocalLt]

Harrison Lee it would actually be Collapse: The Third since this is already Gruden’s second Collapse

[@raymondguajardo4815]

I’m 21 years old and I’ve been a huge raider fan since I was a child, it sucks but let me just say this video was so on point and well made

[@hobocowboy]

Great work - a breakdown of the Chargers collapse is needed. They find new ways to lose year after year.

[@philly_sports1558]

Rich Gannon is one of the least talked about great quarterbacks of all time. He was an MVP and a First Team All-Pro twice but nobody really remembers him.

[@leorickt.9604]

This is the first time im hearing the name

[@dislikebutton4981]

Rich "side arm cannon" Gannon. My favorite QB of all time. Dude had the smarts, the touch, and the wheels when he needed them.

[@XPROTOTYPE88X]

Because he was a journeyman before he got to the Raiders and Gruden/Callahan helped revive his careeer

[@TheLocalLt]

Tony Galvan west coast offense baby

[@badcornflakes6374]

Doesn't he do color commentary?

[@EmmaBonn96]

I think the main problem was 2002 was Gannon, Rice, and Brown’s last great year. With poor drafting a new core of skill players was never built up.

[@lokilxix]

I will never forget that Super Bowl. We anchored in the middle of the pacific so the sat signal wouldn't get disrupted because the Captain was a Raider fan. Only 2 people on the ship thought the Bucs could win and we won a LOT of bets. By halftime we were underway again and the signal never faltered so we got to see every glorious second.

[@corey2232]

This was very interesting. Would like to see one about the Buffalo Bills & their playoff drought after the Music City Miracle. They had the longest playoff drought in North American sports (MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL, etc.) and finally broke it after 17 years! To put in perspective how long that was, I was 13 years old when their last playoff last happened. It took until I was 31 until they finally broke that streak! Went from being a middle school kid to a married, grown ass adult! And it all happened after an insanely stupid way to lose a playoff game...a game in which the owner forced the HC to start the backup QB instead of the healthy starter QB that lead the team the entire year. Crazy story.

[@slayermill8621]

The problem with the Raiders became Al Davis' draft strategy as they headed into a decline as a franchise. His criteria was literally if you're black and fast, you're fit to be a Raider. Never mind scheme fit, actual position talent, locker room fit, or any of the other silly stuff that builds a great team. That isn't racist, it's a fact.

[@kendallevans4079]

Yup. Jacoby Ford is a good example

[@edwardoutlawjr8154]

Was always a running joke that I had was the Raiders are gonna draft yet another fast guy

[@CantRead1]

@@kendallevans4079 Jacoby Ford was actually good though.

[@kendallevans4079]

@@CantRead1 Agree. I thought we should kept him longer, like we did with Jett, as a speed threat

[@YTC1234]

Hurts to see this video. I miss the days of Gannon, Brown and Rice and Gruden stalking the sidelines.

[@kyndread71]

For the longest time, Bo Jackson was my favorite Raider. Then came Rich Gannon. That dude was a friggin monster.

[@juicepouch1]

@@jackjax532 hard to make that a damning statement given we all saw the same video. Gruden knew their offense

[@cloud90s98]

Been a raider fan all my life. As far as i know.. its crazy how this team was one of the best teams to watch every Sunday to a team of collapse. 60s - 80s raiders were the most winning team in the league with 3 superbowl titles. But in 1986, That changed the legacy of the Raiders. Al lost his mind & the league knew he was done. The 90s were interesting. Raiders were a good team to watch but couldn't beat the power house teams. Also the relocation back to Oakland did gave them some motivation but wasnt enough. But 1998 changed it all. 2000 Jon gruden led them winning their 1st afc west title since 1990 when they were in LA, 1st for Oakland since 1976. Early 2000s was perfect until once again Al became Al again. Probably in my opinion one of the worst decisions in raiders history. February 18 2002 on my birthday, dude trades jon gruden for the bucs. Gets beat in the superbowl, & team when to disaster. 2003-2005 was just the aftermath of the superbowl. 2006 the team when from collapse to diarrhea. Since then, al never found a way to bring them back . 2011 he passes away, Mark davis comes in town. 2012- 2014 was terrible. 2015 & 2016 seemed like maybe the Raiders can rise again. 2017 team falls apart. 2018 Mark brought Gruden back to Oakland to refix history.. 2019 seemed like hope. But now its 2020, a new decade. with Las Vegas as their new home, Jon Gruden has to find a way to hype up his new fans in sin city. Can jon gruden bring the Raiders back to the Commitment to Excellence & take the Raiders back to glory giving Raider nation their 4th Superbowl title? Or will it just be another collapse. Will see, stay tune.

[@IcePlays]

Collapse is my favorite SBnation series

[@graysonbyass-rascoe4326]

"Just lose baby"

[@brandonweathers6772]

Y’all should do the ride of teams and players or collapse of players ex:(rise of warriors) (rise of Giannis) (collapse of Antonio Brown)

[@exactinmidget92]

Thanks for finally covering our downfall.

[@Nahaintnoway]

I’m a Broncos fan. Whenever I see the state of my team I watch this video and feel so much better. FTR

[@kindleyfernand4389]

Do a collapse on Ronda Rousey's career.😁👍🏿😂

[@josepharmstrong1531]

Wow what a massive fall

[@KTF0]

Good one! Especially when her own mom hated her trainer and that was before the Holm fight.

[@josepharmstrong1531]

@@KTF0 "She had such a knowledge of the dark side that she could open up opportunities for the ones she cared. She became so powerful....... the only thing she was afraid of was losing her power, which eventually, of course, she did."

[@UHOH_415]

Untouchable. Until the Kick. Then Amanda put her down for good. She even went to Wrestling to start fresh. Looked dominant as usual, Great Debut, only to have a young Irish superstar who got in her head, beat her at Mania, and Ran away again.

[@Criminalpresident45]

Going to WWE was the worse career move for Ronda

[@coldsnap5742]

You COULD do a Collapse video on the Madden video games after their peak in the PS2 years.

[@coldsnap5742]

@Harry Engel Anything on the PS2/original Xbox between Maddens 2005 and 08. Here's videos on them both. Madden 08: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXrLeYlthMqmecU Madden 2005: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5iYeWyjjrKfibM

[@Zack_410]

@@coldsnap5742 08 was my first and its still the best.

[@wickdolf5692]

@Harry Engel Madden 2008 on the ps2. You could completely customize everything about your team from the colors to the hundred different logos and even down to the name. Now you get to choose like 10 cities that have 3 choices each

[@ganjatrooper7193]

2K did it better.

[@QwertyCaesar]

Franchise mode peaks in 06/07 depending on who you ask, declines slowly for a few years, then declines rapidly and bottoms out. Superstar mode is spawned and rises slightly during the same time but then is abruptly removed. Microtransactions are forced into the game and ruin every single mode that they touch including online play while turning its audience into sports gambling addicts that have zero chance of a return for their expenses instead of just a low chance. DLC means that the series has an opportunity to simply dole out roster updates as DLC but the series refuses to do so because it's owned by a bunch of jackasses. All throughout 05 to 21 minor improvements are made in various areas of the core gameplay only for most those improvements to be removed within a few installments until Madden 21 is ultimately like Madden 06 with minor improvements in a very specific areas while 95% of the game is worse and continues to get worse every year.

[@JORDAN.1024]

Good vid. Interestingly enough, The career ending hit on Gannon came by way of Derek Brooks. I'll never forget the helmet crack on that collision. Bad day for him and Raider nation.

[@wizard-kk9bc]

Will Buikema does the best nfl rewinds and Collapses.