How the Right Lies About History

[@TackeMatty]

Just popping in to say that Dennis Prager is a key example of why noise gates are necessary.

[@crescentfreshbret]

The weird thing about Dennis Praeger’s voice is that it makes him sound a lot fatter than he actually is.

[@bananas999]

​@@crescentfreshbretthis is the funniest insult I've ever seen

[@MrMarinus18]

Another thing they like to ignore is just how much a role the federal government played in the industrialization of the mid-west and the colonization of the west. This is often portrayed as the work of fearless individuals but they would have never gotten anywhere without government force, government resources, government subsidies, government laws, government grants, government infrastructure and so much more. The settling of the west was not some organic move of a people. It was a state expansion and should be viewed as such. The development of the west happened because of the federal government pouring enormous resources into it. The industrialization of the great-lakes was because of intellectual theft, massive subsidies, infrastructure projects, forced settling of millions of people, planned city building and lots more. The building of the great American industry of the Mid-west did not happen organically. It was a result of government policies and government actions. America became powerful because the country found itself in a very advantagious position with pretty much no real rivals and enormous resources. The government also acted on these advantages by pouring enormous resources into it when the opportunity arose.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

It's pronounced Penis Prager.

[@hairymcnipples]

noise gates, and the auto da fe.

[@michibiki6798]

As someone who also grew up in southeast Michigan, and also happened to be from a jewish family, the section about Henry Ford really resonated with me particularly. I remember in 4th grade that my school did a musical about the state's history, with a large section dedicated to him specifically, and looking back it just feels so uncomfortable. I looked up to him so much as a kid because I, too, wanted to change how the world worked. No one told me about all of his horrible anti-semitism. No one told me about his actually horrible workplace practices. I had to find that out for myself later and it felt like the worst kind of betrayal. I had been idolizing someone who, if I had been around during his time, would have hated everything I was for merely existing. Censoring this kind of information from children only leads to hurting them in the future.

[@SeasideDetective2]

I'm sure Henry would have viewed you personally as an innocent child, while wanting you taken away from your parents and Christianized before they could give you your bar mitzvah. The attitude of most of the old-school anti-Semites was less "They all need to die" and more "Hate the sin, but love the sinner." Actually, I think it's good that so many people out there want to whitewash their "heroes." It ultimately doesn't help them, but at the very least it reveals that they are basically good people. Most of the time, people want to cover up atrocities not because they want to "get away with them," but because they are repulsed by them. It's only the time to start REALLY worrying when the white-washers outright insist their icons did nothing wrong, or - worse - declare that they did do horrible things, but that they were correct in doing so, and that the "others" are the bad guys.

[@AbandonedVoid]

I had a similar experience with Thomas Edison.

[@audiothesoviet]

Henry Ford also got one of highest awards from Nazi Germany given to him (I forgot the exact one). Truly dark shit

[@SamanthaLaurier]

@Malthusia Yes, yes they did. That's something I had to look up just now because it wasn't mentioned in any US history class I've ever had, and I took extra US history courses in college because it's an interesting subject.

[@MrYogShoggoth]

Came in here to say something similar. In elementary school I idolized Henry Ford because in southeast Michigan where I also grew up and life to this day his name is everywhere. It didn't hit me as hard when I found out he was a monster (I had already figured out that nobody gets that much money without doing monstrous things) but it was still shocking to learn the full extent of his exploitations and horrible deeds. He went above and beyond when it comes to being a horrific individual.

[@slayerofthebuzz1]

I always chuckle when I see someone proudly flying a confederate flag and a US flag. They must be so conflicted. . .

[@oomguy9423]

Cognitive dissonance is one of the strongest forces in the world.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

We see confederate flags hanging in Alberta, Canada too. I honestly don't know what goes on in their heads, but they're ususally the same types that place "Fuck Trudeau" stickers on their trucks...

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

​@@SleepyMatt-zzzI don't even know what these people think that flag means anymore

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

@@meowtherainbowx4163 I tried looking it up online, and based on what I read they literally don't understand what the confederacy was. They just thought the flag stood for some vague idea relating to "rebellion". That's like flying a Nazi flag without knowing anything about Nazis 😂

[@Terry-pf4dr]

@@meowtherainbowx4163we all know what it’s for.. they know what it’s for.. it’s a pro racism flag that they can fly with a thin veneer of plausible deniability. It is a white supremacy flag honestly.

[@anthonyhayes1267]

Might I add, Ford did not pioneer the automotive assembly line. Oldsmobile did.

[@darkhobo]

Its just Olds. Ransom E. Olds. His assumbly line was stationary though. So you would build it then the whole thing was moved to the next section. Fords was a moving assembly line so you built your section then the next piece just came to you. But yeah Olds made the first low cost assembly line automobile.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

​@@darkhobo my man's named like a cartoon character

[@MrMarinus18]

But also the industrialization itself was largely a product of decisions by the federal government and massive investments. This is not unique to the US though. All industrializations happened because of policy decisions, massive investments, mass mobalization of resources and people by governments and so on.

[@RedXlV]

Also, Henry Ford wasn't really even much of an innovator. Hence his wanting to sell nothing but the Model T forever.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@RedXlV He was an innovator but he got taken over by capitalism. There is this idea that capitalism boosts innovation but actually it stiffles it.

[@desu38]

"promoting patriotism" No, that's state propaganda! I doesn't stop being propaganda just because it's murrican!

[@kwarra-an]

My favourite thing is Americans ridiculing Chinese blockbusters for propaganda, while vehemently protesting any suggestion that nonsense like American Sniper is at all political.

[@Hi_times_2]

⁠Could you expand on that topic, and learn how to formulate a sentence because I don’t know what you mean. I’m a patriot, and very proud to be one. We’ve survived this long because unlike our adversaries we don’t control people. The US isn’t perfect but we’re definitely as good as it gets. Cause to be honest, we are the best.

[@cherrycolareal]

​@@Hi_times_2 You show the exact behavior that the original commenter is calling stupid

[@Hi_times_2]

@@cherrycolareal Why? Could you please explain. As I sit on my chair outside, I’m hearing an AC-130 flying overhead. Right now I can’t see why I shouldn’t be proud of what my is and could be. The AC-130 is the best gunship in the world. How cool is that? Why shouldn’t I be proud of that?

[@cherrycolareal]

@@Hi_times_2 I can't bring myself to believe that you're being serious at all right now

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

Speaking of "Blind worship of your country", i'll stick to Mark Twain: Patriotism is always supporting your country and supporting your government only when it deserves it."

[@roonilwazlib9877]

Exactly. When conservatives talk about patriotism, they almost always mean jingoism.

[@xdmich6018]

(We) In first grades of school (In Poland) were taught that "Being patriotic is standing when listening to hymn, recycling garbage, being polite and representing ourselves and our country well and polite to foreigners" (This last is less done :/ )

[@ngotemna8875]

How can one man be so incredibly based?

[@brucebostick2521]

I always laugh when i see those ignorant "super-patriots" cart out 'mark twain' in their list of 'great americans!' i used to buy up a dozen/so of his "War Prayer" to give to nutcase warmongers!

[@Hi_times_2]

@@roonilwazlib9877Or Extreme nationalism?

[@StrawB0ss]

Patriotism does not mean blind loyalty. The people's trying to make America a better country for everyone are patriots. They love America enough to put their energy into making it better.

[@raheimgreen8550]

Patriotism is fine until it turns to blind nationalism. But it's also pretty useless because your home is not the USA. it's Earth

[@jackgerig8910]

The reason to love America is that we are striving to overcome ourselves. We started out with the highest ideas and since then, we have uncovered and removed countless contradictions, cruelties, and inaccuracies invalidating our claim to liberal democracy. We will never be able to achieve the ideal but we keep pushing. The progress of America should be its pride.

[@Bdm1109hail]

What a lie 😂

[@Bdm1109hail]

The very well-being of America is built on oppression and exploitation to be a patriot means to support that system

[@rmyikzelf5604]

You should include the pilgrim fathers in this list. Before this very religious group of people set out for the New World, they fled from England to the city of Leiden in the then Dutch Republic, which was relatively tolerant to al kinds of religions, and the pilgrims found they were persecuted in England for their religion. They founded a church in Leiden. Before long though, the true nature of this group became apparent as they left Leiden to set sail to the colonies, partly because.... wait for it... they thought the Dutch were too tolerant to other religions 😂. The ultimate bigots.

[@MCDreng]

Yepppp. We're told that the pilgrims came to America for freedom of religion, what that means is freedom to have a place where only their religion was allowed.

[@hammaslama1]

The pilgrams also were worried their children would be corrupted by the Dutch. The pilgrams were smth for sure

[@brucebostick2521]

"OUR" reflection of history, why those things took place, is totally/horribly warped by racism!

[@jamistardust5181]

I've charted my ancestry and I have found slave owners. I'm sure I'm not the only one. What they did is on them. It doesn't affect me.

[@raydavison4288]

​@jamistardust5181 : I have a few slavers in my family tree also. There were few of them, and they only held a few people in captivity. Most of my ancestors were too poor to own slaves.

[@williamgow9637]

More on Columbus, he was used by Italian immigrants to fight against anti-Italian sentiment and anti-catholic bigotry... but that's only a very small portion of the story, and its more of a cultural footnote then a main point.

[@joeblow9657]

Part of Columbus Day was just that FDR needed a holiday to standardize federal holidays too. Still, it's more of a popular festival than actually worshipping the guy's legacy. IMO it could very well be changed to Garibaldi day, the real MVP (and also offered a job as a general by Abe Lincoln during the Civil War).

[@kwarra-an]

​@@joeblow9657even better would be Sacco and Venzetti Day.

[@lostartofcaring]

loves this comment. Also culturally, southern, speaking native, Italian hated Colombus. Columbus was a northern Italian, which culturally was the more aristocratic, while Souther Italiams were often poor peasants. They hated the north, this hated Colombus.

[@jimmoore9239]

Well, Italians can thank Columbus for tomatoes! What would Italian food be like without 'maters?!

[@joeblow9657]

Don't forget Columbus was initially rejected funding because the Spanish court's experts knew his calculations were way off. Dude got money just to see what happened. @@lostartofcaring

[@lucyla9947]

Another thing is how the history of the US political system developed. In Public School Government class we typically learn about the Roman, Greek, and English inspirations that went into our government system, but never the Native American influences. There's hardly ever any discussion about Native American Society, Religion, Culture, and History in general, and when it is touched on it tends to be done in a lackluster way that doesn't truly show the depth and diversity in Native American Societies.

[@toastywnderbread]

Thank you!

[@mjvajda]

The Haudenosaunee Confederacy (Iroquois) had a large influence on the U.S. government. It’s something I tell my students every semester.

[@bluestrife28]

I wish I’d learned more of that as well, all the 80’s textbooks did was make it sound like one big thanksgiving. That’s how the west took over the world, take great ideas from others and twist and pervert them to their own needs. I had to buy my own books as a kid to learn about the truth of Native Americans. And I’ve been mad at my country ever since.

[@NeonVomitz]

I’ve noticed that if they ever talk about the Native Americans it’s always in relation to the europeans, never about the natives themselves and their history

[@toastywnderbread]

@@NeonVomitz Yes! It’s so frustrating

[@noheroespublishing1907]

Preserving Childhood Innocence is detrimental to children, I mean, I always remember director/animator Don Bluth left Disney because he felt they didn't respect children enough, and I remember watching his films as a kid, the guy pulled no punches with his audience; I was not shocked at all when I learned that Bluth had been a part of the movie "The Fox and the Hound" which i think was his last Disney project; that movie has a very mature look at the complexity of friendship. Bluth was so adamant about children being able to deal with complex issues that George Lucas, who did uncredited editing on some of his films and let him use Skywalker Ranch for some of his projects, had to pull Don aside while editing "The Land Before Time" and told him, listen, I agree that children can take a lot, but you aren't keeping in the graphic tyrannosaur attack scene on on the mother that results in her death, i can't even take that scene; Don agreed it was too much and had it removed. His films, along with the first animated adaptation of "Watership Down" were very important artistic experiences for me to undergo, and I wouldn't argue that as a child I couldn't have handled them, and that's just art.

[@jacksonconstable8331]

Water ship down both the book and the first film adaptation are amazing. Truely a beautiful book that all children should read. It taught me so much more then most books, let alone a children’s book.

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Don Bluth made my 2nd favorite kids film of all time? I have so much more respect for him now.

[@emilyroseheart4432]

as a rimowrold player this music a bop

[@SamuelAdams0]

bro same i just realized he was playing rimworld music

[@sPaRtAnTYTY85]

Ayyyeee rimworld !!

[@staryam2441]

I was going back through your videos because I think you have nice stuff and this reminds me of my childhood. I'm a mixed black and asian kid who grew up in Virigina near the Tennessee border. I didn't know what racism was, but I was treated differently so young. I was told in first grade when I was six by four white women (my teachers) that life would be hard for a "black girl" and they were laughing about it. The civil war was taught in fifth grade. We... reenacted it, for some reason? and each class had generals. Thankfully, our class was a union one and I was our class' general. Another kid I knew bragged he was in the Confederacy because "it's the better one". I flatly asked him which won the war. And when we learned about the civil war, my teacher did the whole "it's state's rights, not slavery!!" thing. He also rallied everyone to want to be in the confederacy because "it was their home and they had to protect their home and their land." Even weirder was the dissonance of Virigina being in the Confederacy and how they tried to make it seem good. Of course because he was Virginian, Robert E. Lee was also glorified even more than you could imagine. When my teacher asked" Who would've joined the confederacy?", nearly everyone's hands shot up. A classmate asked why I wouldn't have and I bluntly said, "Because I would have been a slave?". Oddly enough I feel theirs was more ignorance than where I live now (Pennsylvania, which has been violently racist to be in).

[@staryam2441]

This also excludes the mock election we had in third grade, which was the 2008 election, which teachers tried to persuade people to vote for McCain because he would have a female vice president. It was said especially to me because I wanted to vote for Obama, who was black, like me.

[@vincentheartland2088]

18:52 - Remember that a lot of right-wingers are also Christian religious dominionists so, to them, yes, you absolutely can be held culpable for things your ancestors did long before you’re born, such as original sin ofc

[@hunterv9983]

Yeah. If all of Humanity is held accountable for what Adam did, the Little Suzy should be held accountable for what her great great grandfather did to his slaves

[@Estarile]

While it doesn't help the right-wingers, there are other views of how original sin actually works. The two most compelling I've heard are that (a) its, like genesis, is purely metaphorical, and thus Original Sin is humanity's tendencies towards selfishness. Or (b), that its less God blaming all of humanity for Adam and Eve eating that stupid apple, and more akin to being born addicted to something. Like, how a baby can be born with (pick substance of your choice) in their system because their mother was using it during pregnancy. Its not our fault, we aren't blamed for it, but we still have to deal with the physiological fallout it causes.

[@michaelwalker7400]

We had the chance to change a high school here from Lee High School. Instead of doing that, the school changed it's name to L.E.E. (Legacy of Educational Excellence) High School Volunteers. The school did say they would remove the statue of Lee in the school's foyer, but I believe it may still be there. They did change the mascot from a Confederate officer, to a service dog.

[@kwarra-an]

I just let out the saddest sigh.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

Wow.

[@bobbywise2313]

My son goes to NESA which is inside that school. I toured the school and didn't see a statue. Admittedly I didn't see the entire school though.

[@michaelwalker7400]

@@bobbywise2313 it would have been right at the front entrance of the school. So if it wasn't there then it's been removed.

[@bobbywise2313]

@@michaelwalker7400 I have been in there a couple of times and didn't see it.

[@anubis2814]

Learning about bad things my ancestors or race did as a kid had little impact on me or my self-esteem. I didn't do that, adults did. Learning about new injustices hidden from me as an adult had HUGE emotional impacts on me as I personally benefitted for the injustice all my life even if I had nothing to do with it.

[@brutusmagnuson315]

I’m a White guy who used to dress up like a cowboy as a kid. When I found out about slavery, I’d wished I could go back in time and shoot slave owners with my fictional six-shooter. I happen to be White; I never saw myself as a blob of all Whiteness. Finding out about slavery and Nazis just made me think “wow, those guys were really evil; I’m gonna pretend to shoot them.” I’m a patriotic progressive. We need to learn about the mistakes of the past to not let our country repeat monstrous actions. The “Founding Fathers” were just people. The goal of a country founded on freedom and personal agency was a great one, but they still fucked up immensely, especially with slavery. Future generations exist to correct and advance our society, and as a progressive, I see it as my responsibility to do so. I’m not so fragile as to ignore my country’s shortcomings

[@debeb5148]

So you'd rather be a killer than a slave owner? Not very moral lol

[@brutusmagnuson315]

@@debeb5148 You’re goddamn right. I’m sure you’d kill a child molester if you could get away with it. Same thing.

[@debeb5148]

@@brutusmagnuson315 I wouldn't, I would do everything in my power to get them jailed, and hold them accountable. I wouldn't kill anybody tho. I'd beat them even, but I wouldn't kill them.

[@sh0rtstakz936]

@@debeb5148 slave owners don't deserve anymore respect or mercy than they would give their slave. I would absolutely rather kill a monster than own another human being

[@aaronblaylock2092]

​@@debeb5148How many slaves were murdered, raped and sold even as babies but many would not have a problem shooting a pedo or child trafficker today.

[@hmnhntr]

I'm probably in an unusual situation for my feelings about heritage, as both my parents left their families behind because they didn't want to remain attached to them or their ways of life. But I truly don't understand the powerful attachment people feel to ancestors they've never even met. I only recently discovered that my ancestors actually detected to the North in the Civil War rather than stay with their state. But it never once bothered me, because what do I owe them? Why would I feel associated with people I literally cannot meet? Why should I be or feel obligated to carry their views or honor their names? The connection they have to be is nothing.

[@usagiwerd6664]

So your a nazi ? Cause your heritage is not nazi ? Fuck my Jewish family from the holocaust I don’t owe nothing. Jeez look at what your saying and put it in the worst context yikes

[@hrikissenpai7369]

Some people have strong relationships with family culture. Its just how it is.

[@kateajurors8640]

It's more about never having the option in the fact that an entire culture was essentially genocided multiple cultures have been genocided but we just lumped them all as Native American there were entire cities that native Americans had but they're labeled as just migratory and living in teepees entire histories language is cultures completely erased and destroyed because it was seen as a threat and even now we're having trouble with our current technology trying to dig up some of the accuracies of the past because of the heritage that was destroyed maybe you don't feel attired to your families or ancestors because either a you haven't matured enough to realize what you've lost out on and what could have been or be you're white enough to be able to conform into it. People like to call the native savages but the fact that they could run around essentially nude and had crude weapons and I'm still had cities and farming that we're only just now discovering shows that they didn't fight each other near as much as what we previously thought meanwhile in European cultures they had plagues they had s*** in their streets they had armors and weapons and swords because they needed to kill off one another to get more resources literally the entire European British descending has encouraged the entire world to be an exploitative military force where we need to constantly have this capitalistic growth and greed and life is simply not like that and it has not just erased North American culture. It has erased aboriginal Australian culture it has erased certain types of African culture it has erased island culture it has erased multiple cultures one of the few cultures that is drastically different is more Asian. Everything that white culture Essentially descends from imperialism elidism that started with the British colonies not necessarily started with the British colonies you could say started with Roman or what have you but it really took off and started erasing multiple other cultures histories and destroying historical sites with the British.

[@kwarra-an]

​@@kateajurors8640I want to also point out that living a nomadic lifestyle doesn't make a culture "primitive" or "savage". It's just another way of life, and in many cases is much better suited to the environment a given people find themselves in.

[@ngotemna8875]

One of the very few perks of being German. Like, try catching me being "proud of my ancestors" lmao

[@Flameo326]

I think the worst thing about the Founding Fathers are those aware of their hypocrisy and not only okay with but wish to bring it back. We've grown up in a culture that worships these men so much that when some people learn they weren't as "freedom loving" as originally thought, instead of denouncing the Founding Fathers will change their definition of Freedom to accommodate them.

[@susanr1903]

We are not going to change or rewrite history for lefty fools ..our founding fathers were a lot more then slave owners .you forget 52 i think sign the declaration of Independence..and put there lives on the line to ..

[@slamwall9057]

They were politicians. Of course they were hypocrites

[@arcadiaberger9204]

TBF, it's undeniably true that Christopher Columbus was a brilliant sailor. He could do amazing feats of navigation that other people couldn't. He was also a savage abuser of "heathens", despised within his own lifetime by many of his contemporaries.

[@cicalinarrot]

The scene around 20_00 looks absolutely beautiful. Not sure how much you've worked to get it, how much was random and how much the setting does it but it's just beautiful.

[@Tommykey07]

Real patriotism is loving your country like a grown-up rather than a child

[@northstar4601]

Patriotism needs to be found from the good parts. We need to acknowledge the bad and learn from it. We can’t sanitize it. There is plenty to be patriotic about.

[@nayR5]

"I love this country, that's why I'm so critical of it." -Forrest Valkai

[@stevengarman4848]

When I first learned about Columbus in grade school; the facts that he was Italian and Catholic were barely mentioned. This is because it's the Western Anglo Saxon Protestants who tell the story of this country.

[@donaldlawson1334]

Awesome work with this video! This is my experience exactly. Grew up on the conservative retelling of history and its been a painful process since then learning all the stuff I never did growing up.

[@SeasideDetective2]

What's extremely ironic is that, far back in the day, liberals rather than conservatives were the hyper-patriotic ones. The "average American" saw this country as progressive rather than conservative, and derided conservatives as aristocratic, Europe-loving traitors. Someone who time-traveled here from the eighteenth or nineteenth century would be shocked at the perception that Europe is now more progressive than the USA.

[@ginak5802]

As a fellow Michigander (i honestly hate that term for us lol), I totally get the Ford stuff. He's made out to be this amazing guy when you're in school. You go to the Ford Museum for field trips and it's really fun. He's really propped up as this innovator. Same for Kellog, at least in my experience. Then you grow up and find out about all the stuff Ford did that was really horrible. It sucks. The legacy of terrible rich people in MI continues with the Van Andels and Devos's. Ugh

[@garynaccarato4606]

Even alot of the story of the pilgrims and the Native Americans and how Thanksgiving came about is something that gets romanticized alot of the times or at least that what I seen when I was younger.

[@fishdude666ify]

The problem is, conservatives don't see those things as shortcomings. They know that that's not a generally popular way to look at history, so they have to make up other reasons why it shouldn't be taught.

[@Notllamalord]

The rimworld music invoked a constant sense of unease throughout the whole video, 10/10 👍

[@WJCTechyman]

I don't know if you noticed in that photo of the "graduates" there was a giant cauldron or the "melting pot", assimilation, also called, "the melting pot" has been twisted in recent years to be a good thing, when what the new version of the melting pot sounds more cheery like a tossed salad. Canada is called a tossed salad, a medley of cultures allowed to coexist and make up the fabric of our nation. That said, I know we need to improve Canada as well, but our "Conservatives" seem to like to parrot what is happening in the US with our most recent Conservative Prime Minister Harper being very much a Canadian version of the more extreme of the Republicans and the current leader of the Conservative party being a mix of DeSantis and Trump. I hope we never get to electing someone like that again, but polls suggest that's what's going to happen.

[@joeblow9657]

Meh, imo Canada is a bunch of WASP and pure wool francophones running the place while the ethnic whites get screwed over and it's hit or missing depending on what sort of visible minority you are. It's not so much a salad as a layer cake with higher and lower layers.

[@bluestrife28]

I learned absolutely nothing in elementary school in the 80’s because the books were forty years old and described nothing but the lies exposed today like Columbus, Manifest Destiny, all the ridiculous propaganda. It’s rather hard to not be angry to see them doing it again and crafting a new generation of angry idiots. :/

[@thewingedhussar4188]

I largely disagree with the idea they are pushing patriotism. Many use patriotism and nationalisn interchangeably, but their is a difference. Nationalism is what white washes history and ignores bad actions. Patriotism is where you love your country despite its faults, constantly wanting to better your nation. Nationalists hate that idea.

[@cosplaycatcriminal]

True - though, I'd argue that nationalists are intentionally conflating the two and trying to turn patriotism INTO nationalism, specifically because they hide behind innocuous labels and radicalize those who don't know the difference from the inside. So in actual discussion of the subject, (especially when discussing actual talking points) the line gets a lot thinner, because the people we're talking about mean the same thing with both anyway. But yeah, there is a difference.

[@thewingedhussar4188]

@@cosplaycatcriminal I agree 👍 💯 And we should call them out on it

[@nomdeplume5446]

You can’t be a patriot and a southern apologist at the same time. Unless you’re a patriot for a “country,” that only existed for four years over 150 years ago and fought to uphold slavery.

[@LaurennM360]

I don’t want children to feel bad, but I do want them to feel uncomfortable with racism and what happened during chattel slavery in America. Without a safe place to feel this discomfort and learn about it there can be no growth in this area. I think this is the issue for some parents. They don’t want their children to learn about racism and then to become fully cognizant of how racist their parents really are. They don’t want their children to grow up to disagree with them. They want to instill that same racism into their children without complaint. But racism SHOULD make you uncomfortable and if we don’t teach our children about racism and about it’s implications, about it’s motivations, and about it’s history our children will grow up to be comfortable with racism. In the end, that’s what these types of parents want. IF a child learns to understand racism they learn to understand their racist parents and then have to tools to resist, make change, and move the nation in a new direction. Edit: I should add, from experience, my parents are extremely racist. While my education could have been better about some things, they were allowed to discuss slavery and in most instances did not try to make it sound like a good thing, or as Florida is trying to do: make it sound like Slavery was beneficial for enslaved people. I admit when I was in about 5th grade we watched a film about lynchings, and it terrified me. But, i am glad it did. I am glad they had us watch it. I like to believe I would be against slavery either way, but by watching the film it gave context to something I wouldn’t otherwise understand. I was uncomfortable but I also learned the empathy needed to understand why racism and slavery are despicable and why I needed to learn more. It also gave me compassion for other kids who were growing up the same as me, but in very different worlds. BUT my parents will always hate that about me.

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

Politics discussed by the left is so much more interesting than politics discussed by the right.

[@benleavens5496]

Just found this channel it's great!

[@wingsofinsanity42]

.... playing rimworld while listening to this was weird. That wait... that not my in-game music moment.

[@MrMarinus18]

24:15 But also, what if they do? Are you afraid they will commit suicide? I am Dutch and I learned about my country's role in the slave trade, the genocide of the Nutmeg islands and the oppressive colonialism of Indonesia. Dutch history is also a complicated one because we fought for our own independence and were oppressing others at the same time.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Children should also be made to understand that the fact that a GOVERNMENT supports something bad doesn't mean that all of its citizens - or even a majority of its citizens - support it along with them. During the age of imperialism there were many Europeans who were anti-imperialist, for reasons that were altruistic as well as self-serving. (At worst, of course, many of these people simply didn't care, and had a "That's-their-problem" attitude.) At the same time, we can't afford to be personally self-righteous, because in a democracy we are responsible for holding (most of) our government officials accountable. People who live under democracies like to portray themselves as morally pure and even as innocent victims, but the fact is that we DO wield power, and we need to do the right things with it.

[@sigmascrub]

No, they'll just feel bad. And I'm starting to realize that that's an unforgivable sin for conservatives. "CRT" is bad because it makes kids _feel_ guilty. "Climate alarmism" is bad because it makes people _feel_ scared. Trans people are bad because they make conservatives _feel_ icky. It begins and ends at feels, then they add whatever nonsense they need to post-hoc justify their feeling.

[@xdmich6018]

France is worst...@@SeasideDetective2

[@kwarra-an]

Exactly!! I'm South African, and we learn a LOT about the horrible history of our country, and it's not like all the white children hurl themselves into the sea out of shame and guilt. And for us, that's very recent history as well as centuries ago.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@kwarra-an We do know the real reason which is that if people knew the history they would oppose the status quo more.

[@Fuppy636]

just wanna say, i really appreciated the Rimworld music in the background of this one.

[@dirkthewrench]

"How the right lies about history" Through their teeth

[@garynaccarato4606]

Columbus didn't necessarily technically discover America as in the mainland or the United States Christopher Columbus only discovered or made it to some islands in the West Indies.

[@mattm8870]

He did land on the mainland central America from Honduras to Panama and Venezuela South America.

[@petermcgill1315]

@@mattm8870well, I’m sure the GOP will be glad to hear that!

[@Prismabom]

i did not know all that about henry ford, grimace

[@civicstar982]

My daughter used to attend a school in bakersfield California which was called plantation. And their mascot was the patriot. And most kids where black and Mexican and multi school events they would ask kids what school they attended. And it blew my mind to hear kids say I’m from plantation 😅 like why are we naming things like this still. We don’t have a Hitler high school or sadam elementary

[@DocAwesum]

What does "irregardless" mean? Awesome video! Great to hear this perspective! Great to learn about Hankry Frod!

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

I guess that they were going to write irrespective, then realized they meant to type regardless

[@jimmoore9239]

Yeah, not really a "legal" word. The word regardless always works better. Drop the "ir"!

[@nitroyohan8080]

Love the videos in the background btw, they add a lot of character

[@noahvance6160]

Another thing of disturbing significance Henry Ford did in his lifetime was publishing one of the first English translations of the infamous antisemitic propaganda book The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which, alongside Fords articles in his newspaper, helped to further popularize antisemitic thinking throughout the United States.

[@TheOpinionHaver]

I was a White kid I hate nazis I found out i was German I was sad i wae blood related to monsters I moved the fuck on And now i want to move to.germany (because they have less oppressive ass laws) it makes more sense to be honest when you mess up instead of hiding it

[@TheOpinionHaver]

@ferret4111 I was a kid, I'm still white

[@tonywords6713]

Better education and more honest reckoning of their past too ironically because of the US whos yet to have a real day of reckoning

[@picklerix6162]

Nothing wrong with having German ancestors. You have to remember that many Germans came to America to escape religious persecution. My relatives fought proudly in the Civil War to end slavery and my father, uncles, and aunt served in WW2. BTW, the guy narrating this video is a Marxist.

[@quandal1633]

@@picklerix6162 no one fucking asked to hear your political opinions

[@remyrichardson8614]

im actually related to jefferson davis according to my dad, along with a few other confederates...i hope they look up at me from hell and despise every breath i take

[@briobarb8525]

Good for you!!!

[@p4our587]

People today are aware that their ancestors had cake. Today… they just want to eat it.

[@potatoesstarch2376]

Playing rimworld and the music doubled and I was so confused for a few seconds.

[@tonywords6713]

The problem with this is assuming the other side is arguing in good faith. You cannot predicate an argument on "misunderstandings" when the other side knows what they're doing and just does it anyways. It's like Michael Knowles saying transgenderISM needs to be "eradicated".. they know the word games they're playing.

[@nyAndiVT]

If you want an example of how knowing the darker side of things can help,Abraham Lincoln had a lot of warts, but knowing about them doesn’t take away from his accomplishments as president, at least for me.

[@sirhelp3684]

Please put the music in the description! It’s all so good!

[@agentchicken3577]

Southeast Michigan native here, the Ford example was great as I was once in the same boat

[@anthonybrown1300]

There’s a black man in this country I’ve often heard that people don’t want to feel uncomfortable. I have been feeling uncomfortable for the longest yet no one else ever mentions it we want certain people to feel comfortable while others still suffer. When will the people that feel uncomfortable stands up for the ones that are uncomfortable, when will the people who want to do the right thing start doing the right thing? I have nothing against patriotism, but do not confuse patriotism with hatred and insidiousness if you can say good morning you can you can I care let’s start doing something about it and stop talking about it.

[@SamanthaLaurier]

12:17 Alright, I keep hearing a LOT about Critical Race Theory, but I have no idea what it actually IS. I tried looking it up and went through six pages of articles bashing it without explaining what exactly it was or what the problems with it were. My understanding of it is just "CRT is bad and evil" but I'm not so sure that's accurate, given where I live and how I was raised. I'd like to be able to form a coherent opinion on it, but to do that I need to know what it is, what it does, and what it means. EDIT: Alright I turned on my VPN and convinced Google I *don't* live in a Conservative hellhole where CRT is apparently legit illegal and actually got some much less biased results. I can 100% see how conservatives would hate and fear CRT: After all, it does seek to educate kids (gasp) about the systems that keep conservatives in power, and they can't have kids *thinking*

[@RatPfink66]

CRT is too useful as a boogyman to define it. It's used to associate concepts vaguely with wokies, whenever conservatives need to marshal opposition to those concepts.

[@amwerner1]

I was taught that Columbus was an idiot in school.

[@herculespayton2460]

Patriotic is to know the truth so the truth spreads for future generations.

[@malex796]

Great video, and also great Rimworld Music!

[@thestickgatherer]

Your channel came up on my feed. Thanks for producing this. I’m learning. Even as a 50 plus white guy. Subscribed.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

Dude at 19:15 to the pause. It’s so hard to get people to understand that part.

[@whitefoxproductions]

Keep getting distracted by the rimworld music. Just waiting for the alert sound to tell me A raid is happening.

[@cathybruce8692]

I really enjoyed your dive into this skewering of history. It strengthens my theory that the word 'history' should be replaced by the phrase 'humans behaving badly'. Not all do, but quite a few have.

[@ThousanWhite]

I worked for Ford and grew up in Detroit for 25 years and I didn’t know about any of this until now. I’ve been to that Dearborn facility and The Henry Ford many times and this was never brought up at all…

[@justincampbell3891]

Just a mild counter: Most history courses prior to a collegiate level are survey courses. In which, by their nature, it's impossible to cover everything.

[@yourcomradeiron9160]

The video is great but man, Hearing the Rimworld OST made me boot up the game itself. The video made for good entertainment for my modded bootup. Good video, Good OST, Good game.

[@ShadySpaceSquid]

Not my first ddd video but man I love the music choice. I should fire up my Pc and go back to the rim

[@caitlinirelan5641]

This isn't on the topic of the video, but I was taking a shower listening to this and was like ....I didn't leave my computer on did I? Because I kept hearing the music from the game RimWorld. I only now realize the music in the video is the rimworld music lmao

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

Oh sure and you're gonna tell us with a straight face how the Left is just as honest as robins and just right as rain.

[@user-ip9fp8ug5y]

Loving the rim world music

[@demdemons5472]

Petition to change the name of the founding fathers "The Father's of America" to "Daddy's of America"

[@sporer_]

Grew up in Allen Park and can totally relate to the Henry Ford portion

[@stuartsmith4369]

Nobody knew what a jedi was when Star Wars came out, and it was still pretty successful.

[@oscarguzman3017]

Mans really hit us with the "irreguardless" 💀

[@shrimpslip9981]

I know the Rimworld soundtrack when I hear it

[@odalebeckhamjr.3417]

Excellent work on this bro

[@JoNDOE66613]

I would say that idolatry of public figures is not only a characteristic but also a defining a feature of right wing/conservative ideology. This is why they can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept of just voting for an individual because they are the least shit option and not because we love adore or idolize them. I feel like the personality trait that predispose them to religious beliefs make them more likely to be a part of "cults of personality" and why they constantly accuse the left of worshipping Biden or whoever.

[@landoeugenesatt5845]

Wow. Cognitive dissonance.

[@JoNDOE66613]

@landoeugenesatt5845 oh really? Please give an example of the left idolizing their candidate no matter what like the right does... I'll wait.

[@matthiashesse1996]

11:46 I don't know why that is such a big problem. I mean sure, you shouldn't make the children have to go under the table, but I wished my history teachers would've shown that much enthusiasm in portraying such things and I would've gladly participated.

[@cherrypopscile3385]

To be as good faith to the "White children feel bad" argument: I think it more comes from a fear of horrible teachers teaching the concept wrong.

[@mrRPGamers]

I don't know why you'd approach such an underhanded emotional tactic with an argument in good faith. Maybe history isn't something that we should always venerate. That's the entire point. Maybe we should be made to feel uncomfortable at how the systems are leveraged to exploit those less fortunate to not be graced by circumstances of birth. Part of truly understanding is internalizing, and if we don't internalize what was erong with our history, and more importantly, why it was wrong, we get reactionary fucks who can't empathize with those who are negatively affected by policies those reactionaries put in place.

[@joeblow9657]

Why would you feel bad? We changed sides and hanged Mussolini. @ferret4111

[@joeblow9657]

I agree. While it's certainly important to teach history accurately, a lot of bad instructors can really teach it poorly and not get that it's more than just pointing out a bad guy.

[@kwarra-an]

​@ferret4111totally agree. I'm partly Afrikaans and German, and I'm ashamed (and angry) about the acts my ancestors committed. Learning about those things didn't make me feel like I *personally* was responsible for them, though. It galvanised me to make sure I never did anything like them, and to fight back against their ideologies whenever I could.

[@williethomas5116]

True Patriotism is loving your country in spite of it's flaws and you know it can and will be a better country.

[@Ex_christian]

As long as religious Christian cults are completely left out. Our country would be far better being secular instead of a Christian cult like what Christians want……

[@roelofschuldink4177]

People are rarely pure good or evil.

[@sirzn]

Why do I always hear random faint snippets of Rimworld music? I think 3000 hours makes you hard-wired to instantly recognize it.

[@KaiHenningsen]

Video: no person can be held responsible for actions they didn't even exist during Christianity: Hold my beer ...

[@KatTea]

You're truly one of the greats.

[@christopheraaron1255]

1:24 State's rights to what?

[@dwaynesbadchemicals]

Is there a significance of pushing a swing with no occupant at 4:02. Just asking because I’m high af.

[@raydavison4288]

You b should have included a photo of Thomas Sowell in your thumbnail. He's only second to Dennis Prager in the faux history department.

[@robertsims6718]

This was a brilliant video. And I don't use that word often!

[@vincegiangiulio1160]

When you think about it, based on what I’m hearing and connecting the dots. Henry Ford was the Elon Musk of his time. That’s not a compliment lol.

[@tom-kz9pb]

The Right should curb its excesses if it doesn't want repeats of unpleasant chapters in history from places like France, Russia, China, Cuba or Cambodia. The historical roots, the players, the themes, the grievances were all similar.

[@richardryley3660]

True patriotism should not be afraid to face the truth. It is easy to believe a lie. It is easy to disregard anything that makes you feel bad or threatens your worldview. But being patriotic when you know the truth of your country's history is much harder and more admirable than taking the easy way out. More importantly, there is no real way to tell the difference between those who want to cover up the past because they are ashamed of America's history, and those who want to continue the evils of the past because they are evil. You aren't afraid we are teaching your children to hate white people, you're afraid we're teaching your children to hate YOU. And you may be right

[@beckymcdonald9529]

100%

[@kwarra-an]

Patriotism in general is foolish, and I'd argue it's gross if it's for an imperialist nation. Just wanting your country to be better is not patriotism. And for any citizen of an imperialist nation, ONLY caring about the welfare of your fellow citizens, and not also those who are subjugated and exploited to uphold your standard of living, is thoroughly unprogressive.

[@debeb5148]

So you will allow people to continue to lie to themselves and everyone about their gender?

[@RafBot-b4z]

Thank you

[@vidyagaems4063]

I had to pause the video to make sure the RW music is from the video and it's not my game bugging out.

[@johndavis6119]

There is a face in the window of the barn between the door and the hole in the side. Was someone in there? Someone physical?

[@averagejoe455]

I've really liked all the videos I've seen of yours so far, please don't call yourself a BreadTuber.

[@laurenzreidinger9506]

You know what always weirds me out is not teaching your kids the history of your nation as it was. I mean here in Germany and Austria at least if it comes to the NAZIs and the Holocaust (not about a lot of the other shitty stuff) in a way that is absolutely not whitewashed yet we can all deal with it and we’re not all completely unpatriotic!

[@williethomas5116]

This video was very well done!! Thank you😅🎉❤

[@williethomas5116]

@@markhodges5138 he told you nothing but the truth. It's not his fault you like to be lied to. As to his voice if you aren't the one lying down with him then what business is it of your. You people talk tough but couldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight.

[@toastywnderbread]

As a direct descendant of James K Polk, manifest destiny was and still is bullshit ☺️

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

I would say that there are some other, more valid reasons, to present important historical figures as pretty great guys. The one I'd like to point out is that we portray historical figures adls heroes because they were. In the same way we don't spend a lot of time on the really great qualities of Adolf Hitler and Nazism because he's not a hero. There's no reason to examine all aspects of a historical figure at the elementary or even high school level. You're generally hitting broad strokes, and when you do, you tend to get something more akin to a caricature of the person. So, a determined general and first president of our nation will always come off as heroic just because we won't talk about anything else he did. The things that matter most historically are good, brave, honorable things. We talk about Hitler as a man that used propaganda and manipulation to lead a nation to commit attributes, so he comes off as a real terrible person. Neither portrayal is perfect, but both serve the historical narrative appropriately for the overview style approach to education. Anyone doing a deeper dive into any historical figure will find they're people, with flaws and weakness and a product of their time. This does not negate their brilliance, boldness, forward thinking, or even just good luck in being the right person in the right place at the right time. That being said, I think there need to be regular reminders to students that you are just giving an overview and that history is never just black and white. Letting students know that when you say George Washington was a great leader, that doesn't mean we should emulate his every move. When you say Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing industry, you don't mean everything he influenced was positive. When you say Christopher Columbus led an expedition that led to the general colonization of the Americas, you don't mean he was some sort of hero. I feel the best approach is to still paint those broad strokes pictures, but lay the foundation for the realizations later in life that there are things that aren't so inspiring there as well. You don't need to teach that Henry Ford was a jerk, just stop teaching that he was some legendary, awe inspiring genius. It's okay to be generic and broad, but also, it's okay to make sure your students know you're being generic and broad so they aren't completely caught off guard as they grow older.