How This Chess Streamer Scammed Her Fans

[@cyberangelsix]

whenever I see her posts on social media I always get narcissistic vibes from her

[@wabbasMEpern]

e thot

[@rohandeb7432]

Nemo actually has a very sketchy history in chess as well. It is a decently well known in the chess community that it is highly likely that Nemo achieved her WGM chess title by going to closed round robin tournaments in Europe and paying strong players to have a prearranged draw or win for Nemo. There is quite a bit of analysis online which anyone can read for themselves, but it seems extremely likely that her title was obtained through illegitimate measures.

[@AlexDuvall]

I’ve heard about this… interesting

[@KR-rj7vf]

This is pretty common in chess and has been for a long time. I'm not saying it isn't sketchy, I'm just saying that Nemo is not extraordinarily sketchy by doing this.

[@kaushikprasad2653]

This is basically every Low level GM.

[@naka3339]

she's obviously don't seem bothered with CHEATING at all

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Also her FM norms are sketchy.

[@lukeflyswatter3203]

I originally thought she was smart but I can see she is just as naive as any young influencer. She was complaining about people objectifying her but she had proposed a hot tub stream if she got a certain number of likes or subscribers.

[@scienceevolves4417]

Oh come on it's for only fans...

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

She also bought her FM and FGM titles in chess. She went to private tournaments IN Europe, paid high elo players to draw or lose the match and then gained the norms. As soon as she left these tournaments, her elo dropped by nearly 150 elo in a year.

[@MusicPlaylistsChannel]

Did someone admit? Just curious

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

@@MusicPlaylistsChannel It's a well known thing.

[@MusicPlaylistsChannel]

@@SilencedButNotForgotten I'm reading abt it rn just wondered if ppl have come out

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

@@MusicPlaylistsChannel There was a huge uproar with Mishra Abhimanyu, who broke the record for youngest Grandmaster by doing the same strategy. Only difference: He is clearly at that level, he just should have not gotten it that fast, but later. He gained over 110 elo in less than 3 months doing that. Meanwhile she [Nemo] is not at her titles' level and her elo dropped to 2330 one year afterwards. A literal 120+ elo drop in a few months of play. She should and would have never gotten these titles. There is a great NYT article titled "The dark side of Chess" that explains everything. And great statistics to show how popular this strategy has gotten: Nepomniachtchi (World #3) had to beat opponents whose elo average was 2512 to reach GM. Multiple strong Grandmasters and strong International Masters. This was in 2007. 2500+ elo is Grandmaster. Meanwhile Abimanyu's opponents had an average elo of 2390. This was in 2021. This is FIDE Master level (2300+). Not even International Master (2400), let alone Grandmaster (2500).

[@hookflash699]

Evidence?

[@chefjordanp5901]

These kind of people are such narcissists. They can never see the wrong in their bad behavior. I for one hate that people waste so much time being simps for these “influencers”. Very sad lives

[@flyingiguana409]

they have so many people kissing their ass, it's hard to stay humble

[@seanburton5700]

What can you do about it though?

[@freethinker5226]

The story here isn’t the morality of the activity, as immoral as it was (both for this woman and her coach). The real story is the stupidity of both of them to not foresee the backlash. This situation should definitely cause them both of them $10s of thousands of dollars of lost income (much more than the cost of the seat)! The coach should be fired from his company. A poker coaching company should want to distance themselves from anything akin to theft or immoral behavior. For this woman, her audience probably largely consists of simps who throw money at her and probably won’t be affected…”pretty girl” privilege.

[@Sickerror]

Painfully accurate, simps never learn

[@Lucaplayshorts]

Agree, but the poker world is full of people like this, and the coaching company probably doesn’t care. Looks like she’ll fit right into that world.

[@gilean6179]

She is not even pretty for an asian girl.She just happens to speak fluent English and therefore gets a larger audience.

[@coolorphans]

Let's not talk about the morality of anything. I highly doubt that you are the arbiter of morality.

[@thomasfrick5413]

Simp? LOL! Project much?

[@JerrySuneagle]

Come on, who'd want to be with Nemo? - the narcissistic girl would be way more trouble than it'd be worth.

[@nesobre]

pump and dump

[@b0604]

10:36 is crazy lol. "I didn't realize that scamming people would make them call me a scammer". This girl sucks

[@320speed]

What she did was illegal. Especially faked a giveaway and gave it to her boyfriend. That's classed as conflict of interest and she should be sued for that.

[@bc1173]

No it wasn't. There was no monetary gain from this stunt other than clickbait. You can't sue someone for aclickbait youtube video.

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

wtf law would this be in violation of???

[@justinbieber8028]

@@OGRE_HATES_NERDSfraud

[@timo_virtanen22]

It's unbelievable how she rigged this giveaway, as her long time viewer I did not expect she would ever do this... what was the point of the whole giveaway if the winner was known even before the start? just give it to your bf Thallo and don't try to farm views and comments, also I think it's worth to mention her first response which was totally different from the final apologetic one and it made the whole thing even worse for her.

[@LebronCCP]

I’m glad you exposed her, hope people never forget about this.

[@BadBoy_604]

Thanks for summarizing the story Alex. I was seeing all the Tweets about this, but didn't know the full backstory. Ya pretty shady to deceive your fans, thinking there is a "contest" going on, when there isn't one. Already so many shady things that have happened in poker, so being a well known person that is new to poker; this doesn't leave a great impression on the type of ethics she has.

[@donmasacre4919]

She has been a scammer since she started playing chess. Even her chess title is very suspicious. Allegedly, her parents create tournaments to artificially increase her rating. Also, the giveaway winner is a poker player; guess what? Her boyfriend. Thallo is the owner of the KZbin poker promotion page. The Ecgab is, in fact, Thallo’s own KZbin poker promotion channel. The correct winner is "Thallo".

[@JohnnieVibes]

The only thing I’ll say about the comments thing is that sometimes comments get automatically deleted by KZbin. Jean Francois is a loyal commenter of mine and for some reason his comments were being deleted before I could see them. He sent me screenshots to verify and we came to the conclusion that KZbin was deleting the comments because they thought he was spamming. Unsure why their bot was flagging him.

[@AlexDuvall]

Interesting yeah just wanted to note that part of the story despite not being 100%. I don’t think she deleted comments, but also wouldn’t be that surprised with everything else lol

[@Saltywengiell]

Back in the days she would get totally cancelled for that on youtube, i guess you can be a scammer and awful person and still have an audience now.

[@lolnoyou666]

Exactly. People have already forgotten this happened.

[@jamesbjorlie]

Sociopathic. They exposed just how hungry they are without any care in the world for their viewers. Cute.

[@patsk8872]

Yep. Her response was textbook narcissist.

[@notorio526]

You would think a pro poker player and chess player would be better at scamming. This is beyond stupid.

[@royestrada777]

I now have seen many of these pretty young ladies play great chess e.g., Anna Cramling, Botez sisters, et al, but Nemo is the only one I dislike. Once I saw this youngster play her for her number b/c he liked her. I get it, she wasn't into him - no problema, but once the guy lost she started saying how she didn't want the guy's number and embarrassing & humiliating him for no reason just to be mean! Another time I saw her bullying this guy along with some of her friends like some kids do in middle school. She's one of those that is attractive on the outside but rotten in the inside. She's not a nice person that's for sure!

[@eladrio2311]

Links to the videos you saw?

[@Mark-fr7yv]

I asked her if an endgame was like a lucena position. She told me it was pretty insulting to suggest this position was a Lucena. I thought Lucena was a winning endgame but I guess it was insulting to suggest it was even an endgame for her. Another time she said that I sucked ass at chess after she blundered against me and still won.

[@LoganSuzuki-hy6wu]

Just watch her on Hikaru's 4 player chess.plays the victim while she bully's Levy

[@lottexy]

She's attractive? Damn I must be in Korea for too long. The average girl on the street looks way better than her lol

[@EtherEight]

If she chooses from a hat, hopefully she shows an empty hat and fills out the names one by one on screen. She would be the one to add 9/10 names of her boyfriend's name into it and cheer when he won. Disgusting behavior.

[@itskmillz]

Lol the SBF backdrop is too perfect for this

[@ichigen511]

Poker and Chess have literally nothing in common. LOL. One is based on odds and bluffing the other is based on logic LOL WTF SMH.

[@itsbadvibes6504]

this comment highlights your "logic" and intelligence level very well

[@contextinvideos]

Do whatever you want with your possessions but if you betray your own word then people will not respect you

[@cheat2win816]

KZbin comments are disappearing over the last week at a high rate for some reason.

[@ericb7223]

not nearly attractive enough or skilled enough at chess or poker to get away with stuff like this

[@eddygiron2390]

@ericb7223 People around here seem very "sensible" towards narcissists and ironically, calling someone not "attractive enough" and not "skilled enough" is somewhat a narcissistic critique.

[@Bergarita]

Heh, I always thought there was something off about her. Now, my suspicions are confirmed.

[@8535eddie]

They tried to cheat and got caught. Next..

[@BeforeThisNovember]

Damnn only just came across this. Enjoyed her content, guess it was fun while it lasted

[@andrius00911]

reddit post brought me here

[@Chesslover06]

Same

[@xsean19x]

Your editing has improved tons

[@liljoe31]

w nemo she is always the victim. such a gen z thing

[@QuezteR]

did she do it for tax writeoff ?? What a scammer .

[@runethorsen8423]

So they cheated - Thallos gave her RTA ... DQ her.

[@rahulkaulvakil]

She is shallow and charlatan. Thank you for bringing the facts to light. Unsubscribing from her channel now.

[@BlizzGMX]

She was just trying to get views. Content creators do it all the time. That seat was never going to anyone but her bf

[@johnnycash-tb3dg]

daym..exposed over some money....and yeah ,it was a scam..

[@Orangepie86]

yikes… it’s concerning her saying her own viewers are getting offended… like they aren’t allowed to have their feelings hurt after being wronged… And her use of “sob story” is just another way to shame literally her own viewers for taking the time to comment on her video. This is just an embarrassing look for nemo.

[@humbleinvestment6907]

Wish this video would go viral. Hate that her looks keeps her relevant

[@IsanG08]

Nooooooo I love Vina Sky please don't make hate videos on her

[@DevilRising]

Lmao

[@lyingcat9022]

Oh shit son! Haha

[@rejncu]

Good videio, would have never known that.

[@jmacalangi]

Won't be watching her vids no more then.

[@Player___ABC]

Do a video of mr.beast next?

[@eddygiron2390]

A ton of hypocritical behavior from viewers around here, and most were exacerbated by the owner of this channel, great job mate. The actions of her do not constitute a scam, they are not proper for a person with good intentions yet labeling it a scam is a stretch and a hypocritical and vindictive way of disclosing such behavior. The owner of this channel is no better than Nemsko or whatever her pseudonym is, just for the mere fact of increasing the severity of her actions. When someone (ANYONE) needs to increase the severity of the actions committed by the person being critique, that someone has either ulterior motives running in the background (which is not a good sign) or is a total hypocrite, and all of these in correlation to the actions of Nemsko, makes the owner of this channel as harmful as her or worst depending on the situation. This notion applies to everyone. "A scam is a fraudulent scheme designed to deceive individuals or groups FOR FINANCIAL GAIN"

[@aralbrec]

I'm going to help you out. The "giveaway" was a way to promote herself, her channel and her reputation which hopefully translates into more views and more MONEY. Otherwise why do you think she would do a "giveaway" without actually giving away anything. If she just wanted to give that seat to her bf, she could have done that without any fanfare. But you see, the fanfare benefits her and hence we have the lie. Now she did correct that, when caught, by holding a real giveaway. But her postings on the subject indicate she is either not remorseful or doesn't understand the lie she told was immoral and ethical. It raises questions about what sort of things she has done in the past and what she will do in the future when personal gain is on the line. In other words, poor character just like the many who post here who can't understand the problem.

[@eddygiron2390]

@@aralbrec Everything you typed is totally accurate and understandable, logical except the fact that you totally ignored what I typed in my initial comment; yes, what she did was unethical and immoral YET IT CAN'T CONSTITUTE A SCAM. I even typed the meaning of scam for everyone to see that the person behind this channel is also aggravating the problem even more than it's necessary, if you can't SEE THAT, then you're a hypocrite just like I described beforehand. Plus, one can obviously watch how the owner of this channel is elongating his argument by repeating the same point but with different words and different angles of criticism, in order to make her fault even more complex and meaningful, very sneaky insidious tactic from such an unblemished individual, don't you think? If it's really a scam, then she has to be prosecuted by law, there are no exceptions according to your laws. So you tell me since you seem very entitled just like others who have been around here before us.

[@codycrawford7842]

These KZbin / Twitch sweepstakes clearly need more scrutiny or be discouraged on the platform. Far from the first case , look at Mr Beast rn @@aralbrec

[@innopva9973]

back off Nemo is great!

[@poluticon]

yeah, great at scamming her audience.

[@lolnoyou666]

L

[@supirion1]

Algorithm

[@AlexDuvall]

Thank you for your service

[@de-icer1242]

Subbed

[@geonerd]

"The Chance of a Lifetime." (LOL!) FFS, kids, you really need to grow up.

[@AlexDuvall]

Most people never get the chance to play in a $10,000 buy in tournament, so yes. The chance of a lifetime.

[@alexxander1768]

(I will never read a reply) A female being grandmaster in chess is like a male being JV at baseball. Any girl can do it, it's mostly grinding.

[@DanA-vj4ws]

U mean achieving the fgm title right

[@Fujibayashi50]

She is not a Grandmaster, she is a WGM which is a separate title even lower than IM

[@Lonboxia]

There are only a little over 40 women who currently hold the title of being a grandmaster, so I wouldn't exactly say that they're handing out the title to women like flyers... Plus Nemo is not a grandmaster.

[@johanandersson5699]

she is funny super smart especially like how good she is with kids it's a game after all

[@kartikpal3196]

People just wrote some comments and then they got sad lol PS I'm not one of her fan

[@TDotRedemption]

Dishonesty is never a good look. How many people get a chance to play in a $10,000 buy-in tournament? Her fans exerted energy that shouldn't have been exerted. She came off as a ingenuine and unrepentive energy vampire. But then again, most of these influencers are energy vampires and they scam their fans all the time. Logan Paul, Jake Paul, Nelk Boys, FaZe Clan:Kay, Jarvis, Nikan, and Teeqo, and etc.

[@richard3051]

It would have been a scam, if people had had to pay, to qualify. They didn't, they just had to write a comment with little to no effort. So no one was harmed to a significant degree. Was it dishonest though? Yes. Maybe you could also say that she violated an agreement with the tournament organizer.

[@dreamfall8]

Still wasting people's time with the intent to make them believe they had a chance to win something. Not all scams need to have the victims loss be monetary. Also led to them gaining more engagement which probably gains them monetary reimbursement of some sort.

[@thomasfrick5413]

Did the fans give her money to participate? If not, then who cares who she gave the package to?

[@scienceevolves4417]

Exactly. What a ridiculosity

[@frenchfries2424]

Not only that but she literally rectified it and gave it away anyway after feeling like she made a mistake

[@scienceevolves4417]

@@frenchfries2424 oh I didn't even hear about that. That's sweet that she made amends for an earlier mistake.

[@frenchfries2424]

@@scienceevolves4417 yeah I mean I understand people being upset but people need to do research sometimes and not just hate people immediately

[@A73X4ND3R]

This isn’t a ten minute story

[@AlexDuvall]

What parts of the video do you think were unnecessary then?

[@MrSupernova111]

Simps in full force here. They are the only reason people like Nemo exist.

[@ajtatosmano2]

I mean...yes, she made a mistake, she admitted it, gave a proper response and tried to make it right. Why the f..k do you all want to treat this like the worst thing ever? OFC what she did is wrong, but the attitude everyone has here just seems toxic as hell. And the allegations about her WGM title is overblown as well, chess players do this all the time for ages, they accept draws or play less sharp just to not mess with the norms of the other player. It's almost a custom, even if it isn't the fairest thing in the world (and it depends on the opponent not on you)

[@ajtatosmano2]

And to be clear, I don't even watch her content, only seen one or two collabs with others. And she deserves to have some repercussions after the fake giveaway, but people are overreacting it

[@tenzingsherpa3814]

Bro I like how u viewed the whole thing and instead of being toxic and criticizing her u understood her situation. I hope u keep on having this positive attitude throughout life

[@crushedscouter9522]

lmao found nemos burner account

[@rodericksutton2983]

@@tenzingsherpa3814 Simp

[@rodericksutton2983]

@@ajtatosmano2 Simp

[@AUG_Glow]

Aw man too bad she was pretty too

[@vampzzz]

lmao

[@crystaltytk3900]

😂

[@muhtasimrosul3025]

Imagine calling someone whose eyes and tits you can't see, pretty.

[@TDotRedemption]

Yeah pretty flat chested

[@jackbicknell4711]

Surely it's her choice what she does with money she legitimately won?

[@AlexDuvall]

Read the title. The giveaway was used to make it seem like it was random. But she ended up choosing her boyfriend. Scam.

[@jackbicknell4711]

@@AlexDuvall It's not rocket science mate. She intended to give it away at random, and in the end decided to give it to her boyfriend. People may have been disappointed, but she can do whatever the hell she wants with her money at the end of the day and that's it. Get over it.

[@boynextdoor1951]

@@jackbicknell4711 did you watch the video? The part where her boyfriend said the plan was to give it to him from the start?

[@jackbicknell4711]

@@boynextdoor1951 Even if that is true, she can do whatever she wants with her money, and she hasn't scammed her because her fans have lost nothing as a result of this

[@scienceevolves4417]

I agree. It's a f king non issue! Ridiculous

[@muhtasimrosul3025]

Immigrates mentality. Her parents were prolly well off in China but wanted an easy life hence they chose Canada. It's in her genes to always look for a shortcut, don't blame her.

[@cristianxy9890]

She is not a scammer. First, because she didn't take any money from no one. Second, because she just wanted to reward the person who she thought deserved it more. She shouldn't have done the giveaway but, from what I know, it was a requirement from the poker site. She aknowledged it, apologised, fixed the mistake and gave the seat to a random viewer. What else do you want?

[@eladrio2311]

Sure, she's not a scammer, she just made a giveaway with a predetermined winner.(I won't read your reply, I'm sure it's full of nonsense like your first comment)

[@cristianxy9890]

@@eladrio2311 Check the definition of 'scam' but, since you won't read it, don't do it and keep labeling people you don't know with negative connotations for punctual mistakes to feel better with yourself.

[@geonerd]

All the fake outrage over this is absurd. These very same 'offended' viewers fawn all over Naka, and he has exactly the same sort of toxic personality...

[@AlexDuvall]

Wat

[@notorio526]

He's toxic but not a scammer. Big difference.

[@MrSupernova111]

2 months later. Where are your thumbs up you simp?