How to add a Spindle to your CNC

[@rirsz]

Nice work, can't for part 2 (automation) and parts 3 - 12 (wire management) 🙂

[@vanstray]

thanks, I could probably make a whole new channel based on wire management hahah

[@Taliesen.]

At the 24 minute mark you show crimping on the ring connector to the power cable. It appears your crimp is down on the insulated part of the wire. You show earlier cutting off 1/2 the tinned end (leaving what looks like 1 mm of bare wire) and your crimp seems to be well lower down the connector than that. At 24:45 I see the same lower crimp on more wires and when looking at the ends you can see air space around the wires. You really need to ensure you have properly crimped on the bare wire portion. This is your electrical connection. If you have a gap you can have resistance and sparks. Crimping the insulated part is good too for strain relief, but please make sure you have a solid physical electrical connection as well.

[@vanstray]

Thanks that’s solid information I’ll use if I need to re-wire any of these connections

[@adrianinglis5922]

@@vanstray that VFD should not be powered up until those wires are crimped properly. Also, the shield for the cable should be grounded at the plug end or the VFD end to ground out induced electrical noise. Not sure if that plug connects to the shield anywhere.

[@toddwheeler1526]

Saw the same issue as well. In addition, The RF shielding in the cable may well have to be bonded if the connector allows for the provision of? Check the continuity between the ground wire (green) and the connector body. Good stuff and have a great time with your machine sir.

[@bmesbah]

This was the best spindle wiring video I’ve seen. And I’ve looked at a lot of them. Thanks my friend.

[@johnread7404]

Thank you so much for this detailed guide for non experts like me. It really was a common sense\ in depth guide with everything needed. I recently ordered a Onefinity Elite with an 80mm mount and am based in the UK. I'm currently looking at spindle options so this was really helpful. I'm looking forward to the programming guide you do next, as although the Elite has a different (Masso) controller, it will be interesting to see how it goes as I want the CNC to control the spindle. You have a new subscriber.

[@vanstray]

Thank you so much, hoping to do the elite upgrade one day so I can update everyone on how that goes. I know someone that added their own Masso setup and is loving it.

[@Carpenters_Canvas]

how did it work out for you? this kit he has im thinking about upgrading as well

[@johndoughty4514]

Thank you for the detailed explanation, just got my spindle today and will be refrencing this vid as I put mine together!

[@vanstray]

Great hope it all goes smoothly

[@i.m.peterrific]

Just a quick tip for your crimping of wires. Crimps are designed to be used without solder. If done properly the will provide a connection just as reliable as any solder joint. Also, your video only showed you crimping the back half of the crimp which provides the strain relief by crimping on to the insulation. You also need to crimp closer to the lug end to ensure a solid electrical connection. If you don't you can end up with hot spots and conductivity issues causing issues later on down the track. I hope this helps you out in some way :)

[@vanstray]

Always learning so I appreciate the input

[@b-radg916]

I’m learning too, but it looked to me like the crimp was where the wire was insulated, not bare 🤔

[@gregzambo6693]

Thankls VERY MUCH for this, especially the VFD extension cable.

[@vanstray]

Very welcome, thanks for watching!

[@johnhewetson4406]

Great video thanks. Regarding your comments on grounding, I believe the confusion comes from the fact that the cable going to the spindle is "shielded". There is not a problem having a continuous equipment ground from the controller to the spindle via a conductor. The issue is that the "cable shielding" should be grounded at the controller and NOT at the spindle. Cable shielding in general can only be grounded on one end or it will not drain interference noise. If it is grounded at both ends it will create "ground loops" which can effect the signals in the conductors. I think that some of the folks are telling people not to ground the spindle end but they need to be more specific and say "don't ground the shielding at the spindle end" but by all means go ahead and attach the ground conductor. The benefit of enabling the conductor is that then you don't need to use the magnetic probe lead when zeroing your X, Y & Z. This eliminates the chance that you will forget to take the lead off and it is just a lot more convenient. Cheers John

[@scottsamborn4639]

While there certainly was debate surrounding what you are saying, my understanding is that he was speaking about the ground pin of the connector not being connected to the spindle chassis internally (Only the 3 signal wires were utilized). From the forum's there were a lot of people who obtained spindles where this was the case. Apparently grounding the spindle chassis is not a requirement in the Chinese market.

[@johnhewetson4406]

@@scottsamborn4639 Thanks Scott, I think I missed that distinction.

[@Stacking_Satoshis]

Great vid ...will come in handy as i just recently purchased this VFD spindle setup

[@vanstray]

Great! Also make sure you have the right collet size and a good set of wrenches. 21 mm and 31mm if you have the same spindle setup I have

[@vanstray]

Actually that might be 30mm it’s easy enough to look up 😁

[@mattozx6rr]

Just a heads up. the shielding should also be tied to ground. It wont do what its supposed to which is capture stray frequencies and get rid of them through the ground.

[@Taliesen.]

Big thanks for putting this video and the other one together. It's really helping me decide to go the same route for my Onefinity CNC. I think I can build a system like this using a 220V spindle and VFD rather than a kit (don't need the mount and would like to select my own pump and hoses) or a fancy pre-assembled one. I'll be watching to see your tests with this and looking to do my own purchase in the next week or so I think. Still trying to decide whether to buy the 80mm mount for my current Z axis or wait for the new one in a few months.

[@vanstray]

I’m interested as well in the new z slider. So far I’ve done one major cut and it went well. I’d Say to make sure you have the right set of collets and the right set of wrenches to tighten everything down or your bit could slip a little.

[@Taliesen.]

@@vanstray Congratulations on the first cut. The amount of work required to get these set up right is intimidating, that first success must have felt great. I've gone ahead and ordered the spindle and VFD. I do still need the right wrenches. Can you tell me how wide the wrenches can be and still fit? Does it require thin 3mm wrenches or will normal ones fit? I think it is 30mm on the collect and 21mm on the spindle? Thanks.

[@vanstray]

@@Taliesen. that depends on if you have a dust boot on the actual spindle itself. If not standard wrenches should work fine. I currently have a dust boot on my spindle so i'll be getting a thinner wrench to get a better hold until I get a new dust collection setup.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

Great video! I've watched other videos on adding a spindle to a CNC router and you've covered everything in detail. I like your recommendation to get a skilled technician to do the soldering. While I've soldered a lot over the past 40 years and my work has held up for 20+ years in service (life of the equipment), it has been intermittent and done out of necessity. None of my soldering looks as good as that done by a skilled technician who does it daily. p.s. - At some point you may want to add a flow indicator to ensure the coolant pump is doing its job.

[@vanstray]

Thank you! And I’ll look into the flow indicator

[@airmech73]

Great job kind sir , thank you for making this video. I have the same CNC and looking forward to seeing some carves!

[@vanstray]

Thank you, I'm planning on doing my first cuts with this setup this weekend 😁

[@NWGR]

Thanks for the overview on this. I'm getting my onefinity soon and plan on adding a spindle a few months later. I think I'm going with the pwncnc version though.

[@vanstray]

welcome!, i'm doing my first runs on this, this weekend so i'll have a follow up, but everyone I know loves the spindle setup. PWNCNC version is nice to have all that internal stuff just done and ready to go.

[@NWGR]

@@vanstray Yeah, that and the warranty and support are the main reasons I'm going for the pwncnc. A decent bit more expensive, but less time involved, which also holds value for me. Looking forward to your follow up. 👍

[@JoeLazzara]

Hi there. I just received my spindle and I totally forgot that it didn't come with any cables. DAMN!! 😠 So I'm ordering the VFD cable now, on the website its asking for a wire gauge size - which one is the correct gauge for this?? Thanks so much for your help!! Also, thank you for making such a detailed video. I wish I would've paid more attention to what WASN'T included so I could've ordered it all together lol. I'll be following this vid so I can hook everything up correctly. 😃👍

[@MrDiJ1980]

One question, why did you tin the wires before crimping on a terminal? I would think crimping to the wire would give you a better connection.

[@vanstray]

Honestly I just didn’t want to deal with all the loose copper fibers when I trimmed the connections. I didn’t find anything against doing it that way and haven’t had any issues

[@RyanKunzman]

Great video thank you for going through the entire process. What awg did you use for the 4 core shielded cable. For some reason the part number on igus is not recognized thanks.

[@vanstray]

should be 16 awg not sure if they've updated that part number since the video was first released, but they had something similar last time I looked.

[@RyanKunzman]

@@vanstray thank you for the reply, much appreciated great video!

[@vladimirbury9412]

Thanks a lot for video!

[@BradleyUffner]

That spindle cable shielding should be in contact with the outer connector housing and the ground pin on both the spindle and the MFD side.

[@davidbeal6819]

Great video. Thanks!

[@betobeto7903]

Great video! thanks! Question, any issues with a 2.2KW on a standard house 15 amps? or do you have a non-standard higher amp plug?

[@vanstray]

Nope it’s a 120v spindle, haven’t had any issues running it all at the same time. The power strip I’m using is made for data racks, so that could be helping but otherwise no issues

[@patricebastien3232]

Hi Thanks for the info, very nice video. I bought an Onefinity Elite with a 80mm spindle. Which I have not received yet. I thought that the spindle arrived with the onefinity with all its hardware.

[@patricebastien3232]

I just noticed that you have an Omtech laser…. I received mine last monday. I bought a 100 watts manuel focus. I’m not finished the setting up yet

[@sion8849]

Great video, extremely appreciate it!

[@vanstray]

Very welcome, thanks for watching!

[@ChristianHubert-dx1nq]

Keep up your good work.

[@3d-cnc245]

I got the journeyman x50 as well. Do I only need to get the 80mm spindle mount to add a spindle to mine? Or do I have to have the heavy-duty Z20 slider as well. Great video

[@vanstray]

You only need the 80mm mount for the x50 if you want to eventually upgrade to the elite version you’ll need the Z20

[@3d-cnc245]

@vanstray I got the Z20 with 80mm ordered. I think I should go ahead and order the stiffy as well

[@lanceblack3127]

Can you do a review of how things are working since you added this spindle? TIA

[@vanstray]

It's in the works, I have a couple of other videos i'm putting out this month, but i'll have a review coming up in the next month

[@xConundrumx]

Better solution ... use cable ferules (the ones with no plastic caps) on the wires, cut to size and then solder the ferule bound ends into the connector. Better consistency.

[@cobrabyte25]

I was wondering if you needed to update to the heavy duty mount for the 1infinity because that spindle was 20lbs or was the mount that came with the journeyman doing ok?

[@vanstray]

I didn’t get the beefy Z mount just then 80mm mounting ring. So far it’s working pretty good.

[@arbjful]

Do you think ER 16 is better than ER 11 for milling aluminum

[@customit]

Q. I see that you are using a regular plug for the power, are you pluging into a 110 or are you wiring the outlet to a 220? I have the same system and can't find the answer to this and don't want to make a mistake, Thank you

[@vanstray]

My setup is made for 110v. They do make a 220 version, but I don’t have 220 in my shop yet

[@iwantfree9257]

@@vanstray Love the videos so far. Helped me with my decision to buy the 1F. My question is about the amp rating on the 2.2kw spindle. If it is rated for 20amps then the outlet should be on a 30amp breaker. At least that is what I've been told.

[@customit]

@@vanstray Looking around I found what I needed, thanks for the video

[@grumpywoodchucker]

Great job!!!

[@maclo5813]

What's the wire gauge of the spindle cable? Did you purchase the 16 guage cable, or is your ring connector 16 guage? Thx

[@vanstray]

Spindle cable is 4 strands of 16 gauge shielded wire I got from Igus.com

[@johnbrundige1147]

ER20 is the size of the collet. It has nothing to with the diameter of hole for the bit

[@bigwendigo2253]

I hope you got some flux after this soldering job! This would have been knocked out in a fraction of the time! Either way though, practice makes perfect for sure.

[@restholzjunkie]

Crimping soldered wires is not allowed!!!

[@Carpenters_Canvas]

show us a cut man!!!

[@vanstray]

I’m working on a video with all the cuts, but I have some shorts out already with a project or two