How to argue with a racist | The Voltaire Lecture 2019 | Dr Adam Rutherford

[@isatousarr7044]

Gain-of-function research, particularly in the context of genetics, has sparked significant debate due to its potential to both advance scientific understanding and pose ethical risks. While such research has the ability to unlock new insights into disease mechanisms and therapeutic strategies, it also raises concerns when misused for harmful agendas. In the wrong hands, this type of research can fuel a dangerous intersection between bad genetics and a eugenics agenda, ideas that seek to manipulate human genetic material to fit a particular, often discriminatory, vision of society. Genetic manipulation, when guided by biased or unethical motives, can stand at the forefront of modern racism. The historical misuse of genetics to justify eugenics, essentially the selective breeding to create the master race or elimination of certain traits deemed "undesirable" has had devastating social consequences, including forced sterilizations and the perpetuation of racial and social inequalities. These ideologies continue to rear their ugly head, not only in fringe movements but also in the manipulation of scientific research to advance discriminatory practices under the guise of progress. Healthcare must remain absolutely vigilant against these bad actors who seek to use science for the wrong purposes. The misuse of genetic information in this way not only undermines the integrity of the scientific community but also threatens public trust in medical advancements. It is critical that the healthcare and scientific communities uphold ethical standards, ensuring that genetic research is conducted responsibly, transparently, and with an unwavering commitment to equity. We must stand against any attempt to use genetics as a tool for discrimination or harm, advocating instead for a future where science is used to uplift, not divide, humanity.

[@geenadasilva9287]

i'm at the point when i have given up engaging on the subject of race entirely with almost everyone. if you haven't worked out that racism is a thing you need to avoid in yourself, then you're not worth my time. by the way, finishing with the AWESOME Angela Davis was a lovely touch. I was raised in a "colorblind" environment. it doesn't work.

[@stevencarr4002]

Racism is as logical as saying that clothes worn by Eskimos are superior to clothes worn by Mexicans. They are just different, because they are suited to different environments.

[@gunofapreacherman1340]

Conflating criticism of religion with racism is a duplicitous move. I have valid concerns in regards to the tenets of Islam, Judaism and Christianity; that doesn’t make me a racist.

[@kindnessfirst9670]

@@Ko0okieeZ So they hate Jews but they don't hate what Jews believe?

[@stephenpaul7499]

I agree. If my daughter were to marry a Muslim, Christian, etc, I would be concerned for her safety depending on which sect it was and which country she would possibly be expected to immigrate to. I knew an Ismaili Muslim (I think it was Ismaili) where women were granted equal rights, including being spiritual leaders.

[@adlozi]

Religion is not race.

[@ULINEgo]

​@@Ko0okieeZ no, its a symptom of prejudice and nauseating

[@biscuit4259]

@@ULINEgothat seemed to be the point.

[@davidwiseman7774]

Does anyone else adore Adam’s voice and face? I have had a crush on him for years now.

[@matthewleitch1]

This was rather disappointing and not the source of inspiring clarity and evidence that I had hoped for. If you used these arguments with someone who was interested in race and genetics I fear you would get a hard time. Too many mushy, unclear sections and gaps in arguments. Too many insults to people that might not be fair. The way to start arguing with a genuine racist is surely to point out the lack of any compelling practical reasons for researching racial differences and, especially, those solely due to genetics. Further headway is surely made by pointing out how apparent differences in productivity and morality between races are reduced as environments become more similar. I suspect that Dr Rutherford felt that, occupying the moral high ground and talking to a receptive audience, he didn't really need to have a tight or compelling argument, or avoid unfair insults.

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

Would recommend reading the book perhaps.

[@matthewleitch1]

@@zombiedeathrays8862 If his presentation had been more valuable I might have been tempted.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@zombiedeathrays8862 His book is better than Angela Sani's attempt at a similar argument but they both fall down quite heavily. They beg the question throughout and dont really deal with their opponents in a fair way. Part of the problem is that Rutherford and others like him deliberately talk past the issues they dont want to grapple with. He doesnt really deal with questions of genetic difference as broken down into FST etc

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

@@LS-xs7sg FST🤣. Thank you for your comment.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@zombiedeathrays8862 you are welcome. He obviously looks at estimations of genetic difference but he doesnt really address how this pertains to arguments about racial solidarity etc

[@stevencarr4002]

I asked Claude 'why geographically separated groups show some genetic differentiation:'? It replied :- There are several reasons why geographically separated groups show some genetic differentiation: Isolation: Geographic barriers like oceans, mountains, or deserts historically limited gene flow between populations. Genetic drift: In smaller, isolated populations, random changes in gene frequencies can occur over generations. Founder effects: When a new population is established by a small group, their genetic makeup may not represent the original population's diversity. Local adaptation: Different environments can lead to natural selection favoring certain genetic variants. Assortative mating: People tend to mate with those geographically close to them, reinforcing local genetic patterns. Limited migration: Historically, long-distance travel was rare, reducing genetic mixing between distant groups. Cultural factors: Language, religion, or social norms can create barriers to intermarriage between groups. Time: These factors act over many generations, allowing differences to accumulate.

[@DV-dt9sq]

Wonderful presentation! I enjoyed very much! It is very complex theme as presenter said, and he has done his best in limited time to explain it. It was lovely. Thank you humanists! I scrolled down to see some coments. Sadly, too many people are ready to criticize and not give support to this lecture. Perhaps next lecture from Humanist could be "why evil is more organized than good" ;). Humanism needs support, and in my opinion, this Planet can not support any more ego... any more critique in the name of celebrating individuality. People who want good need to be suported... no more "yes, but...". Just YES! It is beautiful to see that there is a movement of humanists to fight against lies, misinformations and prejudice that pollute general media! More humanist ideas have to be propagated! If evil can be organized and use tool called propaganda, so can good! ✌👍👍👍

[@mandarin8847]

Debate Edward Dutton

[@NanakiRowan]

A geneticist "debating" a theologian, who was fired from the University of Oulu for scientific misconduct and dishonesty (plagiarism).....I'd like to watch this as well lol

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@NanakiRowan He should debate Razib Khan. Khan has said a number of things that wouldnt accord with Rutherfords spoken views on the subject of race. And both have a grounding in genetics.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@LS-xs7sg I agree, I'd watch that debate.

[@CV_CA]

He is only talking about white racism, that is racist itself.

[@Marenqo]

Whiteness is an invention by whites, as is blackness. What on earth are you going on about>

[@Kandatwitter]

Deal with your history, Racism is your culture, you created it, theorized it, and made it a system

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@Kandatwitter All peoples have had a kind of moral 'system' which 'other' groups which are less related to them. Europeans just wrote more books and theorised things in a scientific way and basically "invented" the modern world. You need to get out of your western bubble and think critically about all of humanity. "racism" in the sense of favouring groups that are more closely related to you is a human universal

[@NerdyRodent]

Great talk! More like this, please.

[@buzjimbo2128]

Religion is not race.

[@daleford9606]

@buzjimbo2128 but racism takes many forms. Cultural racism/bigotry is a reality, unfortunately

[@rachaeljade7240]

Religion is a belief system, not a race. This bothered me so much! Of course people are skeptical of thought regimes.

[@gtitboij2586]

But racism is a religion

[@lonzo61]

The WOKE's favorite word is racism, and it is indeed their favorite subject.

[@bobshuwab1988]

The right-wing favourite word seems to be 'WOKE', and used in a reductive way to avoid anything that challenges their ideas...often racist ideas.

[@Kreuzrippengewoelbe]

@@bobshuwab1988 Nah, it's 'BASED'.

[@stevencarr4002]

@@bobshuwab1988 Right wing creationists reject science, such as Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection which informs us that population groups living in different parts of the world, in different environments, have descendants which become better adapted to those differing environments.

[@NanakiRowan]

And racist's favorite word is "WOKE".

[@LS-xs7sg]

How does one argue against the notion that a person would still have an "evolutionary / genetic interest" in showing solidarity toward people who share more of their genes at the expense of people who are further away from them?

[@NanakiRowan]

It wouldn't make sense from an evolutionary point because besides a few arbitrary physical traits, one cannot *see* genes. In-group preference is more about culture (for example, the people who you've been raised around) than anything else. In fact, there is evidence *against* in-group preference simply being solidarity of people who "share more of their genes", as research has shown that humans unconsciously seek out and are attracted to people who are genetically *less* similar to them. Evolution and Mother Nature are amazing in their ability to perpetuate genetic diversity needed to perpetuate our species. Racism is quite literally against nature.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@NanakiRowan Can you send me a link to the article about people seeking out people different to themselves? The stuff I have seen associates this with 'fast life history strategy' vs 'slow life history' with 'fast life history' people being more inclined to seek out genetic diversity. As for not being able to 'see genes' - surely your second point contradicts your first point. If people subconsciously recognise genetic distance for the purposes of mating then there is no reason why they cannot subconsciously recognise genetic distance for the purpose of establishing tribal borders and driving away competitors.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@LS-xs7sg Gah, looks like my reply was autodeleted. I'll try again. Is the "stuff" you're referring to about "fast life history" from Rushton by any chance? Anyway, there was no contradiction in any of my points. My point was that evidence shows that people seek out and are attracted to those who's genetics differ from theirs. This does *not* support any idea that people repel those who's genetics differ from theirs. It shows the opposite. Even a simple look at human history shows that solidarity or divisiveness is primarily based on cultural factors such as religion/beliefs, language, land, etc. Anyway, you can check out the Wikipedia article entitled "Major histocompatibility complex" and scroll down to "in sexual mate selection". Then you can read "Interpersonal compatibility" and scroll down to the same. Evolution and Mother Nature are unironically anti-racist.

[@stevencarr4002]

I think J.B.S. Haldane did a lot of research on this aspect of altruism. First-cousin marriage is a big thing in many countries around the world. The Pakistan Demographic and Health Survey (PDHS) from 1990-91 indicated that more than half of ever-married women aged 15-49 were married to their first cousins In rural areas, the rate of cousin marriages tends to be higher. For instance, in rural areas, 65.6% of marriages were to cousins, compared to 51.3% in urban areas

[@garywood97]

This felt very politically driven, and not very scientific. You can tell by how he places a high burden of proof on the genetic explanations, but accepts "racism" as an explanation as a kind of default, that doesn't itself need direct evidence. That's an example of political bias, not science. For example. He claims that there are so few gold medalists in the 100m sprint that you can't really infer anything from such a small sample size. He ignores the rather obvious fact that it's not just the gold medalists. The top 100 sprinters in every given year are mostly black as well. So the sample size over 40 years is actually massive. He then switches to swimming and points out that a higher proportion of black people didn't learn how to swim. Immediately, without evidence, he then concludes this is "structural racism". Well no, it's not evidence of that at all. Black people have a much higher rate of single-parenthood than white people in every western country. That means black kids are less likely to have a parent teach them ANYTHING than white kids (due to sheer time constraints of single parenthood). Epidemics of single parenthood is actually a very recent phemonema, and does not coincide with the history of racism. It coincides with the welfare state and the economic support given to single mothers. (i.e something almost entirely pushed by left-wing people). I think Adam does a good job of showing why racism is making a comeback. People like him approach the subject with such a massive political bias, that they regularly end up making false accusations of racism against people and institutions that are completely innocent. That overuse of the accusation of 'racism' has lead to a diluting of the concept, where we now have millions of people who just don't take racism that seriously any more, and are much more likely to just ignore it than oppose it.

[@lobosolo7675]

I'll admit your first point is valid. But I have no idea were your making any connections in the other one. Like I know Thomas Sowell likes to make the arguement that welfare increases single motherhood but everytime I read it, its sounds more like a symptom rather than a cause. It seems more like the "de facto" segregation in urban areas where African Americans typically live as well as the war on drugs contribution to mass incarceration, among other things seem to be the main cause of single motherhood in those communities, how that(or even your explanation) would relate to lack of swimming is beyond me.

They're trying their best now to keep people from knowing the truth about genetics etc. They don't like that intelligence is determined by genes because they know what conclusions could be drawn from that.

[@marcodallolio9746]

@@lobosolo7675 he's using linear logic on a systemic non-linear phenomenon filled to the brim with feedback loops like group belief formation. Whenever you do that you are bound to end up in silly chicken or egg dilemmas

[@deniskearney2368]

If I wanted to learn how to argue with a contemporary racist this lecture would have of no help whatsoever

[@ianfoote]

I really liked the analysis of historic racism, but I felt Adam was weak on establishing the extent of racism in the modern day. I think the lecture would have been improved with more detail on how racism is still endemic.

[@timbrady6473]

Ian Foote The lecture would have been improved as you say , he couldn’t detail how racism is still endemic because it isn’t , otherwise he would have shown just that . Wow , he’s going back to “The Iliad “, that’s rich ....wait ....no , he’s going all the way back to Adam and Eve ,the original racists . I actually think the field of genealogy should be outlawed , it is only giving white supremacist a tool to give credence to their fanciful tales of racial purity. Again they are using science for their purposes , outlaw it because , DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH !!!

[@raibilrei]

He claiming that Corbyn is an Antisemite makes me consider him being racist against Palestinians.

[@SaintNine]

He didn't say that. He said that anti-Semitism had become a defining issue for the Labour party and showed a headline from the Jewish Chronicle. There's truth in that and the way some sections of the Jewish community used Corbyn's sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians and weaponised it is evidence of that. Personally, I think it shows the racism of Zionists, but it was part of a wider campaign to discredit Corbyn that, regrettably, ultimately succeeded. It's part of the whole ‘You're either with us or against us’ mentality as well as Israel's successful campaign to consolidate criticism of it as an apartheid state with anti-Semitism (Israel was the only country to openly support the apartheid government in South Africa, frequently sanctioned in UN resolutions in the 70s). It's deplorable and part of the far rights strategy of spreading division. I'm perfectly capable of feeling for the victims of terrorism on either side. The world isn't black and white.

[@lysander6458]

In "A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived: The Human Story Retold Through Our Genes" He seemed to be arguing that there's no such thing as racial differences and that selective breeding has no effect in human populations (Reason for that: we are the world, we are the children) which pretty silly. It seems like his own background as a mixed person drives the idea that aren't any racial differences, even though there are average differences among populations.

[@robsmith7567]

@Jude M You're a hateful, ignorant, individual.

[@RichardEnglander]

Yup. He's in denial because of his biases. It is clear that different human population groups have different distributions of various qualities such as testosterone levels, genetic disease, and dare I say differences in their brains too since brains are also a product of evolution.

[@montegrifo]

Your obvious ability to read and listen doesn't seem to be conductive to your ability to comprehend.

[@LS-xs7sg]

Im not sure Rutherford is correct about the humanity isotrope being 1400 BC. The land bridge between Russia and Alaska disappeared about 12000 years ago. Am I missing something? I would be surprised if an African and a Native American shared a common ancestor at 1400 BC.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@LS-xs7sg It has been mathematically been shown that this is most likely the case. Mathematicians at MIT developed the model about 20 years ago.

[@thotarojoestar3045]

Iron, naming it the Voltaire lecture, when Voltaire would say (for the blacks) "And one could say that if their intelligence is not of another species than ours, then it is greatly inferior. They are not capable of paying much attention; they mingle very little, and they do not appear to be made either for the advantages or the abuses of our philosophy."

[@TejasM14]

Why is ironic? Voltaire is subject to his own biases. There is no black race. There are different black groups of people which you can stratify on the basis of nationality, ancestors and possibly genotypes.

[@thotarojoestar3045]

@@TejasM14 which we collectively call the black race?

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

​@@thotarojoestar3045arbitrarily

[@stevencarr4002]

Rutherford shows that if you live in an environment, where, for example, running is important to your life, then evolution means that natural selection will select alleles that lead to better running ability. The environment determines everything, and genes and alleles change as a response to the environment.

[@skaisgood101]

The supervillan Stormfront on the show The Boys was named after stormfront radio. Holy shit.

[@tombobb]

Regarding the Jesse Owens comment, Anyone who trys to deny that black africans are generally more dominant in athletics is really not seeing the elephant in the room.

[@dgloria]

Strangest thing I've noticed since I'm in the UK, is wherever I register, they ask me my race as a required data. Not used to it.

[@BlueBaron3339]

That is bizarre. In Germany, noting I had a physical disability, they forced me to register and carry a card in my wallet noting that fact. Each nation has its...demons I suppose.

[@andybeans5790]

It's due to Equal Opportunity legislation, registered charities need to comply with regulations to monitor how much their user/membership base reflects the ethnic diversity in their area or nationally.

[@jeuandavidjones]

organisations might have to comply with equality monitoring legislation, but an individual does not have to provide such information. @@andybeans5790

[@alanzstewart]

Hold on a minute. I agree racism has not gone away but it is very wrong to leave a page stating 'Antisemitic and a racist " with a picture of Jeremy Corbyn is very, very wrong when it's a lie and unstabutiated. (sic)

[@kindnessfirst9670]

Is there a way to NOT argue with racists?

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

Lol. That's the book we need for our sanity.

[@Bb5y]

Adam Rutherford. Thankyou.

[@barbaragemin5117]

This was fascinating. Thank you.

[@mikhailvladislav8294]

Genetics make us who we are and we are fools to reject that for the sake of "humanist" ideals.

[@jeuandavidjones]

Disingenuous? He's explaining how Genetics demonstrates that 'race' is not a thing in the world of biology. It's a social construct. Moreover, he specifically admonishes us not to dismiss perceptions of 'race' as manifestations of the human experience, but to overcome them. Humanism asks only that we contend the ideologies that would divide us.

[@mikhailvladislav8294]

@@jeuandavidjones race is no different than classification of different species. Technically lions and tigers are also the same "race".

[@marcoareap]

Go ahead please. Congratulations

[@kevin.afton_]

If race is a social construct then I must be a genius because I can tell race before its constructed: I can tell race at birth.

[@yomarrobert]

Brilliant!

[@veralucky6157]

You can tell the colour of the skin at birth and the race is one and only , the H U M A N race ! You are genius! 🤣

[@kevin.afton_]

@@veralucky6157 We use "race" as short for "sub-race" because its easier to say it. Every animal race has sub-races why cant humans have it too?

[@yomarrobert]

@@veralucky6157 You are making a political point unrelated to biology. As Kevin has said in his reply,all species have different populations where those populations are genetically isolated.It makes little difference what you call them but where artificial selection (ie by humans) has created the differences we use the word breed eg for dogs.Where it is natural selection (eg tigers or humans) we can use the word sub species or race.North Koreans and South Koreans are clearly of the same race but due to the slave conditions in the north and the biologically healthy conditions in the south ,north koreans are on average 6 inches shorter.Any less than that and they would die.Now go to Wikepedia and look up Pygmies.Scroll down and you will see a european flanked by two adult pygmies .Even you will notice the vast difference in height.But it is differences in IQ that are vastly greater.....like it or not.Woke or not.Environment plays a role but genetics rule.A huge proportion of our genome is shared with other apes (different species) The small differences are all important.Next time you need a brain operation choose a chimp.

[@jsmith1277311]

Great lecture. I enjoyed it very much. Racism was elevated when the Atlantic Slave Trade started and it has continued to fester in America because of the need for descendants of the colonizers to continue the psychosis of supremacy.

[@0000will]

there is an elephant in room when it comes to asking the question, would minority ethnicities allow/want their offspring to marry white or British. It is not just white people who have a history of discriminating in this respect and this too leads to division. Of course there is an onus on white communities to welcome minorities, but also those minorities to welcome white communities to mix

[@myroseaccount]

You realize that you have given yourself away

[@0000will]

@@myroseaccount I have no concern if I have given myself away as a white male. It is how I feel and a discrimination that I experience from minority communities. Just because I'm a not minority does not mean I'm immune to discrimination

[@myroseaccount]

@@0000will On the contrary I had no idea what ethnicity you are and that is not what you gave away. Your statement made clear that you are a racist not that you are a white male.

[@Spartacus_Clips]

What are these f downvotes? LOL Amazing lecture. Thanks Adam.

[@chcknpie04]

Great lecture!

[@nancygerette]

Very glad that Dr. Rutherford has recovered from coronavirus!

[@GulagMoosefeller]

Well now in the UK you get thrown in jail for racist words online. Congratulations. Major progress good Sir.

[@bobshuwab1988]

@GulagMoosefeller No, in the UK, you get thrown in jail for inciting racist violence - you'd agree that violence towards someone based on their race is a bad thing, right?

[@GulagMoosefeller]

@@bobshuwab1988 Tell that to the parents of the little girls that got stabbed. He was never charged for their murders. Or do you mean racist violence isn't possible against white little girls?

[@bobshuwab1988]

@@GulagMoosefeller No, I mean that racist violence is bad, in all instances. Do you think otherwise then?

[@GulagMoosefeller]

@@bobshuwab1988 "Racist violence is bad." Sounds safe to agree with until you apply "violence" to speech. Then you are headed toward a world like Orwell's 1984 which the left are pushing hard for. I was raised to resist this kind of mind control. If everyone could resist then there wouldn't be violence in any form, racist or not. The left really should reconsider believing that racism is the root of all evil. (Sorry Doctor Adam Rutherford, it is not.)

[@NanakiRowan]

Spoken like a racist who is angry that he cannot spread hatred without consequences.

[@mitchio86]

He's a great speaker but focused too much on the historical situation. Would have liked to have heard information on the link between race and intelligence.

[@themoog924]

There's no way this moron would delve into the link between race and IQ, it wouldn't suit his narrative.

[@tartanhandbag]

@@themoog924 He literally says at 18:00 that he won't be covering intelligence because it would require its own lecture series. Adam has a PhD, in the specific subject at hand, from one of the most prestigous universities in the world. So... this begs the questions: and who the fuck are you? Hey, i might be going out on a limb here, but i'm gonna put bets on it being you, YT-comment-section-crusader Moog, who's the moron.

[@tomtimelord7876]

@@themoog924 "There's no way this moron would delve into the link between race and IQ, it wouldn't suit his narrative." You might enjoy his book. There's an entire chapter about the supposed link between race and IQ.

[@oliverc1961]

Adam's hero Charles Darwin said that the creatures at the top of status hierarchies (whether they're based on physical strength, intellectual capacity, social skills, good looks, wealth or some blend of other qualities) are more likely to pass on their genes than people at the bottom of status hierarchies. Eugenicists take up this idea and run with it, suggesting a range of social policies aimed at encouraging people with the right combination of dominant characteristics to breed with one another. That's what every parent I know wants for their children: my friends all want their kids to go to top-tier universities or institutes of sport then on to top-tier employers where they'll meet similarly talented mates. We are ALL to a very high degree eugenicists - advocates of sexual selection - because we know eugenics works.

[@oliverc1961]

@Pee jay how do you give ugly, unintelligent, socially inept people the same starting point as beautiful, intelligent, socially adept people?

[@wmyst1797]

Sexual selection is when an individual selects which individual he/she will mate with. Eugenics is when other people decide who is permitted to breed and who isn't, i.e. social control of the pool of possible mates. These are two different things. By the way, eugenics doesn't work. The most robust populations are those with the _most_ variation, not the least.

[@oliverc1961]

@@wmyst1797 yes, eugenics works. Ask any racehorse breeder. Eugenics informs the choice many people make to send their children to posh schools and universities, where they'll meet other posh kids.

[@jaccrystal6993]

The authoratative and implicitly vindicating rhetoric of 'This is the science' is not a matter for work a day scienticists themselves to determine but the non science entities that enable and sustain it. At certain times, and like the arts, it is a de facto and covert arm of the economic, political, and other exigencies of the prevailibg era. It is long past its days of innocence.

[@danielhoffman7414]

Amazing!

[@Jemelly]

Hmmm I wonder why all the white sprinters were before the 1950s...

[@fredriko.zachrisson9711]

Good point.

[@ClearOutSamskaras]

James, did you come up with an explanation yet?

[@thedialogue9545]

Because those in Africa only participated from the 50s onwards seriously. Now Africans completely dominate.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Jessie Owens?

[@Atamanxxxvii]

6:00, not only is that not a Conservative party leaflet, but Johnson's comments were in reference to Blair's Blairite brand of moralistic interventionism. I was trying to decide if I should buy your new book, I'm still undecided.

[@pfscpublic]

After reading Robin Di Angelo's book on White Fragility, I'd like to ask Adam, or anyone, if there is an acid test I can use to indicate if I am 'anti-racist' and what is it?

[@thomasbeveridge6643]

If you look into a mirror & see a black man looking back then you're anti-racist!!

[@pfscpublic]

@@thomasbeveridge6643 That makes no sense for anyone who fails your test Thomas

[@thomasbeveridge6643]

@@pfscpublic Only joking.I was just agreeing with Ian Foote that racism is endemic. There are black racists too,& yellow ones.Look at the Chinese.

[@Atamanxxxvii]

I wouldn't take the work of Di Angelo to seriously, or at least offset it with something else.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

But is it not clear that only whites can be racist?

[@ralfmatters448]

Doesn't he mean Intentional Racist? Living in a racist culture means we are subject to many types of racist thinking that we are not always conscious of at any particular point in time. We can have an anti-racist disposition and political perspective but this does not prevent us from performing a racist act, thought, emotional reaction or assumption etc. Historically there has not only been White Supremacy, there has been many types of racial supremacists, Japanese, Indian, Ottoman etc. Out-Group marginalisation serves the interest of power elites, it continues today. So it is important for white people to remember we cannot help being racists even when we struggle not to be. This may help us reach out to the Intentional Racist.

[@stevencarr4002]

' So it is important for white people to remember we cannot help being racists even when we struggle not to be' Adam Rutherford can't help being a racist?

[@stevencarr4002]

Rutherford is an evolution denier. People evolved in Europe to have white skin and other adaptations. Aborigines in Australia were isolated from other populations and evolved. The Himalayas mark the boundary between South Asians and East Asians where each genetic grouping evolved differently. And isolated populations in Africa separated by geographical distance and/or the Sahara also evolved. But Rutherford is an evolution denier, who denies that isolated populations evolve in different ways.

[@NanakiRowan]

No he isn't, and there are no genetically isolated populations. Never have been.

[@stevencarr4002]

@@NanakiRowan Of course there haven't been any genetically isolated populations. Not 100% isolated. As no populations have ever been genetically isolated, Indigneous people in the Americas obviously would have had immunity from diseases brought by Europeans - after all, they had never been isolated from Europeans, had they? You know perfectly well what is meant by isolated, and why isolation produced the enormous genetic diversity that we (and Rutherford) finds in Africa. You sound like a Bible-thumper fabricating reasons why there are no contradictions in the Bible.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@stevencarr4002 Hmmm, ok, then I suppose you should be able show, using genetic data, how races are separated. And yes, I'm sure that isolation is why Africa is the most genetically diverse place on the planet, because as we all know, societies that only breed with each other, produce the most genetic variation. Just like the Amish, and the Mormons in Utah. *Very* genetically diverse people lol

[@stevencarr4002]

@@NanakiRowan Oh god..... Now you are claiming that isolating groups of breeding pairs does not produce diversity....

[@NanakiRowan]

@@stevencarr4002 I'm not claiming. It doesn't. Isolation is literally antonym of diversity. Still waiting for you to show, using genetic data, how races are separated.

[@jackreacher1717]

Most of the "racist" things described here are really common sense when anyone interacts with others and forms an opinion.

[@isaklytting5795]

A curious blend of good science with non-stop blaring self-righteous holier-than-thou Woke piety.

[@StickyPlanet]

Expected more instead the lecture was mostly mediocre not satisfied.

[@angusdrey8930]

It didn't even rise to the level of mediocrity....

[@Configurations]

We didn't all come from a single place in Africa. That is such an old theory now. We came from multiple regions of Africa, where we evolved separately.

[@prometheus5405]

but still evolved to walk on two legs. hence the Homo Sapiens shares a close common ancentors with Homo Erectus & Neanderthals. some of us might have interbred.

[@EtcEtcAndEtc]

I don't think anyone ever thought that there was some 'ground zero' adam and eve scenario.... Of course we evolved gradually from an existing species which was widely populated. People can't get their minds around the enormous scale of time and events that are encapsulated in evolutionary theory.

[@punchgod]

“Evolved” ffs evolution occurs when speciation happens, that means the bifurcation of a species where the resulting members of each side of the split cannot reproduce with each other. Humans of all races can reproduce with one another, it is not evolution to have a different skin colour.

[@nch1646]

Thank you! It made a better person if me and I do not consider myself racist! I hope other people find it convincing and enlightening.

[@nycbearff]

Communities are real. Cultural groups are real. Extended kinship groups are real. But race is not real. Races aren't even valid as cultural constructs. Adam says that "cultural construct" races are real, because he knows that race is still a big part of many people's identity, and he doesn't want to challenge that - but drill down, and embedded within every example of those "cultural construct" versions of race there are still big chunks of the old false pseudo-scientific biological beliefs. He refers to some of them, like the widespread belief among many African Americans that black people have denser bones and so can't float. That's clearly a false belief from the old biological racism, but it's also part of the cultural construct "black people". You can only pretend that the cultural constructs of "black people" or "white people" or "asian people" aren't based on the old, debunked claims that races are biological if you refuse to look at them closely. So yes, many people think of themselves as a member of a particular race. Yes, that's part of their identity. But it is still a false belief, something they have been taught about themselves which is not true. Racism, though, is very real. And we can't end racism while insisting that races are real - real in any way - because racism can exist only while racial categories are seen as valid. But all racial categories are, and have always been, pure gaslighting. And your own race, if that is part of your identity, is the result of that gaslighting. It is a false category imposed on you and your family and your community. And, difficult as it is to do, it's time to start to free ourselves from the false racial categories imposed on us by long dead strangers. You also identify with your community, with your nationality, with your profession, with your personality traits - there are many parts of your identity which are based on very real things. But race is not one of them. Communities are real. Cultural groups are real. Extended kinship groups are real. And of course, racism is a real belief system. But races themselves do not exist in the real world.

[@stevencarr4002]

Races do not exist. What do exist are different genetic populations.

[@jeanmckessock1677]

Thought experiment. If you were a green haired red eyed person running a helicopter rescue operation and came across a sinking vessel with a variety of different appearing people would you rescue green haired red eyed first especially if they were clumped together as a minority group? If seeing decreasing phenotypes matters in any way then race is real.

[@nycbearff]

@@jeanmckessock1677 nope, different hair colors, different eye colors and different skin colors are real. Races are not real - races have been defined for the last 250 years as bundles of characteristics that don't overlap, but geneticists can't find any trace of races in humans. The theory of race has always been gaslighting.

[@AzathothNyxkind]

Not sure how being concerned about a marriage to a Muslim equates to racism. It's a conservative and bigoted reality denialist ideology. People's skin colour or whatever racialised features they might have don't say anything about the personal values of prospective spouse. People might be concerned if someone wants to marry a Scientologist or Amish.

[@kevin.afton_]

This whole 1:11h speech is based on the false premise that having a preference is discrimination. Ridiculous.

[@Grim_Beard]

Well done for making it so obvious that you didn't watch the video without using the words "I didn't watch the video".

[@richgird7959]

Is Islam a race? I'm equally skeptical of all religion and magical thinking.

[@edwardhalmarack7122]

does he address the difference between iq? some parts of Africa have averages as low as 60.

[@matthewfriedenthal373]

blackflag 33rd facts

[@mikeaskme3530]

The racist watching this video are not going to like it, cant wait till some high school drop out working at Walmart comments on how this geneticist is wrong and how they know more than him. It should be funny.

[@angusdrey8930]

I think you'll find James Watson would consider this 'geneticist' wrong. But then he's only the Nobel Prize winning geneticist who jointly discovered DNA.

[@mikeaskme3530]

@@angusdrey8930 i could care less what James Watson thinks, i am not a geneticist nor am i a racist (as Watson is), when you have 8 out of 10 scientist who study anthropology and Genetics who say there is nothing different, i am going with the 8 instead of the 10. Or look at it like this, if 8 out of 10 doctors say i need a operation to live and 2 say i dont, i am going with the 8. You must be one of those racist i was speaking of, so you are hanging your argument on Watson, who says just because a person is black they are less intelligent, first you cant measure intelligence because it is subjective and not objective. Take 2 people, of different color they have the same financial resources and are expose to the same education, take away bias in society and how these two people treated i am sure you will find no difference. Second, a example of this working the other would be this, take you and a San man of the Kalahari and tell both of you that you have to survive 30 days without modern conveniences, you must make your own shelter, find your own water and provide for your own food and defense, i am pretty sure at the end of those thirty days, you would be dead and the San man would be alive. Does this make you less smart than him, no it does not, it just means you were not exposed or taught these techniques to survive and thrive. Now on the flip side bring a San man to your city and do the same test, i am pretty sure the San man would survive, but it would be barely depending on the time of year.

[@themoog924]

@@mikeaskme3530 "i could care less what James Watson thinks", yes because you're only interested in listening to people who reinforce your childish, ignorant views.

[@mikeaskme3530]

@@themoog924 so its childish thinking no one is superior to any other person, well i guess i will just be childish.

[@themoog924]

@@mikeaskme3530 No, it's childish to think no one is DIFFERENT to any other person. Who mentioned superiority?

[@Lysande0815]

Most Finnish people are lactose intolerant

[@stevencarr4002]

Only about 17% of Finns are lactose intolerant. Genetic differences explain lactose intolerance. 'Nutritionist Marika Laaksonen from the Finnish milk industry giant Valio explains: “Genetic studies show that, when people settled in northern countries and milk started to be very important for their survival, it gradually happened that most adult people became able to digest lactose, even though originally the activity of lactase enzyme decreased already after weaning in early childhood.”' Don't forget that Adam Rutherford denies there are any real genetic differences between populations living in very different parts of the globe.

[@stevencarr4002]

Finns have the highest per capita milk consumption in the world.

[@BlueBaron3339]

It might be more accurate to call race a false idea. But with very real consequences. Pity that Dr. Rutherford stumbled at the end, referring to misconceptions as crutches. But are any of us completely free of bigotry?

[@sizenmass6777]

Survive the jive better to listen too

[@fredriko.zachrisson9711]

From my experience racist peoples that i have met don't have problem with the color of peoples skin, but maybe they have. Idk If people will go back to our time in a thousand years i bet there will not be much citations regarding skin pigmentation (in a negative sense at least).

[@bloodmuffin123]

Charles Murray was right.

[@NanakiRowan]

He was proven to be wrong 30 years ago lol

[@kevin.afton_]

Why are you calling yourself Voltaire? Voltaire said that he defends the right to speak of people who disagree with him. You want to shut down everybody who disagree with you. Aren't you a bit hypocrites?

[@kevin.afton_]

@Pee jay Insults are not arguments, apparently you are the illiterate.

[@konyvnyelv.]

I don't care. I am proudly raycist

[@Marenqo]

Voltaire was a racist polygenisist. Ah, at 27:00 he remarks that himself. very ironic, indeed

[@timbrady6473]

That bit at the end was a little awkward with the awarding the Voltaire medal but the trained seals seemed to quite enjoy it and the lecture ! Jolly Good Job for all ! I’m in the states so I’ll not be expecting a rap on the door from the local enforcers of correct speech as you folks are currently experiencing , not yet at least. Hip hip carry on , we shall see what tomorrow brings ! 🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@tartanhandbag]

he addresses this at 27:00

[@tzwikiritzwikirairaai7288]

You need to be absolutely certain of what you are asserting when it comes to matters pertaining to the social construct of race if by your assertions you mean to bring about some relief from the pain that it inflicts on so many lives day in and day out...I'd suggest you think twice about why it is such a 'hot topic' on white supremacist websites...proving their superiority has very little to do with why that is the case...The name of the global system that every non-white person is subject to isTHE SYSTEM OF WHITE SUPREMACY RACISM. either those who have sufficient political and economic clout to legally classify themselves as white and the rest as non-white are 'supreme'(in the dictionary sense of the word) or they are not. the evidence says that they are in all areas of human activities: economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex, war/counter-war (N.Fi;;er, 2016)

[@MrLittletube]

I bought his book after reading “who we are and how we got here”. Was super excited about reading more on ancient DNA and the accent of humankind. Fully wasn’t expecting it be all about racism. I felt duped. I wanna learn about science not your opinion on racism. But hey! Gotta earn some coin somehow right. Just don’t expect people to take you seriously.

[@mikhailvladislav8294]

The study of evolution and anthropology is being targeted by anti-racists because actually human beings like all species are the product of our genes.

[@melissaglover6572]

The all other races were grafted from the Asiatic black man African the other races are of mankind a kind of a man.

[@keithhunt5328]

LOL Voltaire was a racist.

[@bloodmuffin123]

How to argue with the racial crime stats.

[@NanakiRowan]

No one argues with the crime stats, which are due to socioeconomics.

[@screenPhiles]

Gotta disagree with Dr. Rutherford's premise, namely the idea that 'race' is a real thing because people 'see' it in their lives. That's not at all true. People see DIFFERENCES, physical differences and because of literally decades of programming equate those differences to a different 'race.' And that's obviously nonsense and what's interesting is if you look at it with the mildest bit of scrutiny it makes no sense. By way of example, if you see a Dobermann and a Border collie absolutely NO ONE thinks (unless they're lunatics): Those are two different races of animal, each distinct. So why does that fairly obvious logic break down when talking about humans? Those two dogs are more different, visually speaking, than the average black, white, brown or yellow person yet somehow they're just dogs (different breeds, sure but dogs nonetheless). The idea of 'race' is indeed a made-up idea designed to categorize people as better than and lesser than and has little to do with the obvious physical differences, which Dr. Rutherford should realize.

[@stevencarr4002]

It's the same with accents. Scottish accents vary greatly from each other, and English accents vary greatly from each other, but they are still just accents. Nobody thinks of them as two different things.

[@NanakiRowan]

Norton, H.L., Quillen, E.E., Bigham, A.W. et al. Human races are not like dog breeds: refuting a racist analogy. Evo Edu Outreach 12, 17 (2019).

[@stevencarr4002]

@@NanakiRowan Human races are nothing like dog breeds, which are the product of artificial selection. Who knew? I've heard that because of the huge genetic variation in Africa, you can take a sample of saliva and tell with 90% accuracy if somebody is from West African heritage or from East African heritage, because of the huge genetic variation that exists in Africa. I haven't been able to confirm the truth of this though.

[@screenPhiles]

@@NanakiRowan No one, certainly not me, said that human 'races' are like dog breeds. What I did was compare the IDEA of dog breeds to humans, namely dogs are dogs, no matter their breed; the same as humans. I suspect you didn't quite understand what you read.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@screenPhiles You didn't read the study that I presented. It shows how and why comparing the genetics of dog breeds to humans in any capacity, is not scientifically valid. I understand that you were using the analogy to explain arbitrary physical differences, and I agree with you that people simply go with what their eyes see without thinking more critically, but there still is no rationale for the analogy of the "idea" of comparing dog breeds to humans.

[@smartiepancake]

He sounds like a racist to me.

[@themanthelegendjmw]

The milk chugging thing was supposed to be ironic btw.

[@hotwheels7459]

👍

[@epimetheus9053]

Ethiopians does not translate from the the Greek to ''burned face'' but when your audience is oblivious to facts, you can pitch in whatever crap fits your narrative ... omg , the ignorance all these people hang on to is amazing

[@wmyst1797]

According to the Perseus Greek Word Study Tool, aithos can mean burnt and ops can mean face. Hence this is a plausible translation.

[@epimetheus9053]

@@wmyst1797 "can mean face" ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Opi = opus in Latin Ops - another word you might know is Optics ... So try again what ops means .... Also aithali is the chared residues of smoke

[@wmyst1797]

@@epimetheus9053 The Latin word "opus" means "work". Latin for eye is "oculus". Ops in Greek can also mean eye, but many words have more than one meaning.

[@themanthelegendjmw]

More science, less sociology please. Literally nothing in this I hadn't heard before.

[@stevencarr4002]

Not one person is going to listen to Adam Rutherford and walk away thinking that Algerians, sub-Saharan Bantus and San people, Japanese people and Aboriginal people in Australia have no significant genetic differences. They might be convinced for 24 hours by listening to him and then reality will kick in. Because that's what reality does.....

[@AbdulKhader-786]

@@racialistslayer1395You have to admit when it comes to physical beauty there is no match for the white european, particularly the Nordic peoples.

[@iseemtobelost8265]

Who is even arguing there isn’t? He literally says there is differences between races.

[@stevencarr4002]

@@iseemtobelost8265 But that's literally racist!

[@iseemtobelost8265]

@@stevencarr4002 No, it's not prejudice or descrimination to say there are differences.

[@genathing903]

Do you have a learning disability? Lots of racists seem to have a significant learning disability. What genetic difference exists between those folks? Please tell…

[@themanthelegendjmw]

Does Rutherford watch TYT? LOL

[@Pumplekin1]

TYT?

[@eonic11]

@@Pumplekin1 The Young Turks? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks