How to bring back the forbidden techniques of Judo (Kinshi Waza) 柔道の禁止技

[@QuantumMechanic_88]

As early as the 1970s' , it was evident Judo was being watered down and morphed into a "sport art" only . Thank You Chadi for keeping the record of the Arts alive .

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@Gn BJJ is already watered down because of IBJJF lame rules but thanks to MMA, BJJ and Judo finally restored it's place as true martial arts

[@BURGAWMMA]

The watering down of a martial art is largely commercialization 101... in America's for-profit world its basically going to happen whether you like it or not because insurance companies and liability lawyers have more sway than anything else when we're trying to set up a business. In countries that excel in Judo the municipality supports their athletes... go to any American Community Center and you're likely going to be kicked out in short order if you're practicing martial arts without their "consent" not exactly a "public" facility now is it?

[@QuantumMechanic_88]

@@BURGAWMMA You blame America . Interesting .

[@donaldduke2233]

You're right about that. Most "senses" today have never been taught Judo as a martial art. They only know watered down pussy judo, to which I won't even give a capital J.

[@sensei9295]

We were taught to use our ribcage to drive the air out of our opponent in kesa gatame by turning our bodies like a blade and maintaining constant pressure so that every time your opponent exhaled they lost tidal volume(available air in their lungs) thus the ability to oxygenate their bodies. We trained to breathe with our chest expanded to maintain tidal volume. Also, if you position their head so it is off center with the body, just slightly to one side using your head to push it off center, you severely limit their ability to roll or bridge. Plus you can exert enough force to cause a submission, if your neck is strong enough.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

0:55 - Ashi garami(leglock + kick to the other leg) ==> unsaveable 2:00 - Kawazu gake(leg lock + leg trip)==>remove the leg lock & add a sacrifice fall 4:00 - Kana basami (scissors throw) ==> putting the hands on the ground & not holding the upper body 5:40 - Bojime(bear hug with legs) ==> bear hug the upper back 8:15 - Conclusion

[@simonsmith8974]

I believe it is Do Jime not Boo Jime based on the Kodokan. But useful links thanks

[@ltorban]

Kawazu Gake was illegal in American judo since at least the mid-seventies. I immigrated to the USA in 1974 from the USSR where in the late sixties and early seventies I competed in sambo, and Kawazu Gake was one of my favorite techniques (it's called "Obviv" in Russian, which means "full wrap"). I entered my first tournament in judo in the US in 1976, and, not knowing any better, did Kawazu Gake and was promptly awarded Hansoku Make, i.e. disqualified. I was flabbergasted. Never in my experience did it result or even came close to injuries, but of course I understand the potential for a horrible knee injury from this technique.

[@albrado3956]

When times are no longer martial, techniques are lost, transformed into sport or a form of watered-down self defense ...

[@Chadi]

Yeah

[@kamenwaticlients]

Very true words. Some martial arts can survive the transition but most become very watered down, flowery, or untested.

[@vincentlee7359]

@@kamenwaticlients Akido?

[@kamenwaticlients]

@@vincentlee7359 yeah that's one that falls under that category

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@@kamenwaticlients any examples?

[@bijan_wre]

Speaking of kani basani, in freestyle wrestling you can see the same principle like in capoeira. It's done when a wrestler defends single legs takedown then one of the defense is scissors. One hand got a whizzer, second one is placed in the ground. Very common and safe technique. Great video BTW, very thoughtful!

[@dianecenteno5275]

Great points made here! One of my students was injured from Kawazu Gake when his foot was planted and twisted. Cast for a month. All of these techniques are dangerous and IMO , more Jujitsu oriented. The Kane Basami can also be "softened" by grabbing the heel or calf, lifting and grabbing the shoulder while executing (cradling your opponent on the takedown). It will lessen the chance of ankle injuries and set you up to execute a knee bar. Train safe and thank you for great videos👍👍👍👍

[@prof.andremoreira4422]

Good video! At this speed and the way you speak it is easy for those who are not native to English speaking countries to understand. Thanks!

[@SenseiMaharaj]

Beautiful!!! Thanks Mr.Chadi... Peace and harmony Sensei Maharaj 😊

[@pumkinmuscles1104]

Bro i used to do that scissor sweep in BJJ and no one ever said shit about it. Thankfully no one got hurt but man I had no idea that it could cause that kind of injury. Will definitely give people a talking too next time see it. Thanks for the info!

[@Chadi]

Damn be careful

[@vcajiao]

The scissor sweep is really dangerous, there are multiple videos with examples of horrible injuries. However it is allowed in submission only tournaments, as well as ashi garami and leglocks. Gary tonon is a great competitor using all this techniques.

[@baconburger9156]

In high school wrestling some of my favorite techniques were the banana split (akin to ashi-garami) and the scissor squeeze (akin to do-jime). Don’t sleep on these techniques, they hurt like heck... good memories...

[@Chadi]

The spladle is hell

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Well folk style wrestling has its link to catch wrestling

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Chadi my catch wrestling coach josh Hightower loves to spladle me

[@emanueletorregrossa4218]

Where can you learn catch wrestling in NY?? Anyone knows or anywhere else? By catch wrestling I’m assuming what Sakuraba did to the Gracies!!!

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Yes there is a gym in New York look up boyd Ritchie gym you can find him on Facebook and then I think carlos cantena has a bjj/snake pit usa catch wrestling gym in Jersey

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

Excellent work !

[@grunnyyk2]

Glad you mentioned the capoeira version- practiced for a while and never heard of a kani basami injury. There is a version that holds the upper body, but you grab the back of uke's neck- still get the backwards fall

[@BURGAWMMA]

hopefully one day Judo will be whole again...I feel like the IJF obsession with crowd pleasing big arcing throws is actually dangerous!

[@johnchinaa]

Thanks for the video. Very interesting

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@NickB283]

This is simultaneously something that I really want to watch and have to look away from

[@Chadi]

It's not a pretty sight I understand

[@sensei9295]

The kawazu gake I was taught by an old Nisei Sensie was as a self defense technique against a bear hug type attack that involved grapevining the leg and "kicking" as a dislocation/maiming technique. Could be done standing, part of a takedown or on the ground.

[@richardluntz6169]

I have been following you for awhile now.Thank you for the excellent comentaries. Ari of Don,t be a victim.

[@ramondiaz2851]

Good information!!

[@samuelferrell9257]

I trained all these techniques in other martial arts beside judo. We did these in kuk sool, hapkido, and submission grappling (wrestling, judo, jujitsu, sambo mix)

[@shadowfighter6445]

Good thing we have grappling dummies 😂. Thank you for sharing this 😊.

[@Chadi]

You're welcome 🤙🏻

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

my sensei tought me for self defence so alot of these illigal techniques are familiar not exactly how i was thought but i can definitely reconise them 😀

[@sensei9295]

Lost twin brothers from my first dojo to a guy who did a kani basami version where he basically did a butterfly kick and dislocated their knees from the back by driving either their femur ahead of the tib/fib or tib/fib ahead of the femur. Very rough club.

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Bro that first sub the leg lock nice

[@DanTheWolfman]

When are you going to show more of our interview???

[@Chadi]

Check your inbox👊🏻

[@kristianOLS]

I'd think that one where he sacrifices himself to be yoko gake, as in the nage no kata

[@Chadi]

It's different, yoko gake they're facing each other and there's no entanglement on the legs it's jist a block

[@chrisgk7494]

The biggest problem is that anything forrbidden in competition isn't even taught in most dojos anymore, we need more judo the martial art not how to win metals 100% of the time.

[@Chadi]

100%

[@mrblaque215]

Do-Jime surprises me because my old BJJ sparring partner was a short, stocky power lifter and he used to do it ALL the time when I was in his guard lol funny this is he was the only sparring partner that I never did a Yamashita Jime to 😂

[@Chadi]

If you have tree trunk legs you can do some damage

[@mrblaque215]

@@Chadi I’m VERY lucky he didn’t hurt me. I’ve had 3 broken ribs over 3 separate incidents in my life, and I’m amazed he didn’t hurt me. Friggin buul’s PR squat was 700lbs and PR deadlift was 500lbs! 🤯

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

It's very funny seeing IBJJF rules banned Kani Basami but allowed jumping guard Also, i remember in Muay Thai there's a technique kinda similar to DoJime but with side body lock. Basically you used the edge of forearm bone to crush your opponent's ribs, caused pain and opening for sweeps and trips.

[@joaquindegirolamo1885]

Great video

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@vcajiao]

Have you seen leglock application in sub only tournaments? See danaher death squad. They brought back to life leg locks....all kinds of them.

[@oneguy7202]

Bring everything back and create kosen judo tournaments, if judo continue in this road bjj just gonna grow more and take more judokas.

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Look into freestyle judo

[@scarred10]

Will never come back in ijf judo,just do freestyle judo comps.

[@oneguy7202]

@@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf freestyle judo isn't popular at all

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

I am currently working on a new book, which is about the early days of Kenshiro Abbe and his training at the Busen college. Will let you know once it's published. I feel that you will enjoy reading it.

[@fernandohsantos]

This is a very interesting approach towards Kawazu Gake. However, once techniques` names in Judo follow mechanical principles, it is indeed more appropriate to call this way shown in the video a Kuzure (variation) of Kosoto Gake, because Kawazu Gake is literally "entangling the leg with a hook", while Kosoto Gake means "hooking the leg from the outside in a small movement". Nevertheless, Kosoto Gake does not convey meaning for the Ushiro (or Ura) Sutemi, which is similar to a Tani Otoshi (which, by the way, is not a completely rational name for a technique, as one of Judo's exceptions). I don't know, but perhaps using the same logics as in Yoko Gake, this Kosoto Gake variation taken as a safer way to perform Kawazu Gake could be named "Ushiro Gake", once it's a hook in the leg but dropping backwards.

[@scottbauer71]

Used the safer side sacrificeversion of kawazugaki sparring against a striker but I used the pro wrestling term side Russian leg sweep

[@dragondesoupe5422]

I used Kani Basami in the mid Eighties before it was officially prohibited.

[@henrikg1388]

I thought you were in favor of bringing leg locks (not all) back into Judo. Did you change your mind or did you just come to the conclusion that it is hopeless?

[@Chadi]

Nothing wrong with a straight ankle lock or a calf slicer, i would welcome them back, but yeah i don't see leg locks coming back anytime soon.

[@Quach7]

4:00 Rob Van Dam brought it back 5:40 I knew it as the Xenia Onatopp (Golden Eye).

[@SujunM]

This video was very interesting to watch as someone who is not a Judoka but is a fan of Judo. Your videos have been very helpful in improving my understanding of Judo and other martial arts. Being a Muay Thai practitioner, I have always had a love for throws, sweeps, takedowns, etc., and I would love to see your perspective on the Muay Thai Clinch game as a Judoka. I know that you have done a video on Muay Thai vs Judo but I would love if you could look at sweeps and throws from Clinch. I recommend this video for some examples kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH3MhqKwfpp_sLs Anyways, thanks for the great content!

[@alancat2705]

yep Kani Basami used to be a favourite of mine , until I got Hansoku make ! ...yes it was banned shortly after the All Japan final between Yashiro Yamashita and Sumio Endo . Endo with a single lapel grip right hand atempted Ouchi Gari , then proceeded with Kano Basami ,to which Yamashita fell back against his own and Endo's leg sandwitched behind it put a strain on yamashita's knee joint ...the crack ! you could hear it plainly in the hall .... I believe the footage is on you tube ! ....nasty techinque if done wrongly ; the tendons end up like spagghetti !! ( see you have the footage here )

[@Chadi]

Also Yamashita's ankle

[@bruceparker6142]

Cung Le used Kani basami during his MMA career.

[@rickgrimes4352]

Merci 👍

[@jasonzuvela]

Your "acceptable kawazugake" is actually more like a yokogake.

[@Chadi]

No kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoGUhJ1nqqmZidE

[@marty6522]

According to Hiroomi Fujita, it's a kosoto-gake.

[@ralfhtg1056]

Are these techniques only forbidden at tournaments? or were there attempts to eliminate them completely? For me as Karateka it is really strange to hear "Uke" being used for the attacker. In Karate "Uke" is the defender and "Tori" the attacker. I have only very limited knowledge about Judo. But it hurts me to see how much Judo got watered down just for tournament purposes. And with Karate it is the same.... :( luckily there are people out there, who ignore the tournament stuff and keep the real deal alive.

[@scottbauer71]

Would pro wrestling's drop toe hold be a safe version of kanyewasami?

[@ddas8554]

Ashi garami is savable and safe. Looking at today's competition, leg locks can be done in a safe and controlled manner giving the other person time to tap out.

[@patrickschreiber5758]

Für Technics shown by Shintaro and others isn 't Kawazu Gake. It is a Yoko Gake, always been legal. Even in that Variation I learned as a kid in the 80 ties.

[@paulorbuenod]

Thank you! Oss!

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️🤙🏻

[@TJ-vl1ff]

Chadi what is the technique at 7:40 called? I saw it applied by a Judoka at Quintet here at 11:40: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5PddoF8fdSgmtk. Looks horrific when applied full on though.

[@fernandohsantos]

Now, I really don't see a way to return Kani Basami. If Tori puts one hand on the mat to create distance, as suggested in the video, it implies that the throwing technique starts with Tori almost beginning from the ground, which counters Tachi Waza principles. Anyway, doing this is not a guarantee that injuries wouldn't come, I think the risk remains quite the same.

[@Vachelll]

Judo would be a beast if it allowed all its techniques.

[@Chadi]

I agree

[@achillestitan989]

Beautiful

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@achillestitan989]

@@Chadi SO welcome! I was handed martial arts training before I have memory recall by my father/ first instructor. Americanized versions of everything were my first experiences and the rich history is brand new to me. All of this content is greatly appreciated💯

[@handsforwarrodneymorgan2616]

I am no expert,but a practitioner/lover of real Judo. The prob. Is, the emphasis on sport ilympic Judo,instead of the martial art itself and it's original design. Who cares what's allowed in competition. I am 53,I am not competing. However,I am fortunate enough to train with someone who puts Judo's original intent first....self defense and fighting. So the real question is, how to safely train these techniques to learn them to use and be a complete Judoka.

[@ap2372]

You should have shown the Cung Le kani basami, in Sanda is not dangerous and not banned

[@Chadi]

Yes

[@ClwnJuNkY]

I always do Kani basami with hand on the ground

[@Chadi]

Great

[@nobbytang]

“Judo for all “…teach all these techniques and are 50% newaza and 50% stood up …it’s taught as a martial art but in Randori some of these techniques are banned …Sampson judo are the reps in the UK and he’s excellent !!.

[@joshuakeeler82]

Why would chest compression submissions be banned? It's a tap..

[@scarred10]

It's not banned,do jime is.

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Is this legal in freestyle judo?

[@Chadi]

Not sure

[@hbskull321]

I’m not sure about why you’re not a fan of ashi garami in Judo. I don’t think it’s particularly more prone to causing injuries than other submissions, ashi garami and bjj are trained safely in BJJ/catch regularly. The position showed in the video looks as though it would only really cause the top player to roll forward or grip-fight but not really submit?

[@blist14ant]

The judo one is way more dangerous.

[@hbskull321]

@@blist14ant how so? It doesn’t look particularly more dangerous than leglocks practiced in BJJ?

[@blist14ant]

@@hbskull321 if you see the demonstrator is holding up uke, so the uke won't snap his joints.

[@blusuck]

2:17 russian leg sweep

[@NineBreaker87]

Don't tell John Danaher about ashi garami being illegal. His squad are the kings :p

[@AljosaPLampe]

Isn’t the “modified” kavazugake just yokogake

[@Chadi]

Not at all, there's no entanglement in yoko gake and uke and tori are facing each other

[@MatthewJohnson-ls8qf]

Hey chadi talk to Dax about ruslan c pashayev book called the story of catch 1820-1850

[@Chadi]

Sure

[@fredazcrate4362]

💯👌🏆👍

[@Chadi]

🤙🏻

[@fredazcrate4362]

@@Chadi thank you ladd! You made my day.

[@user-bu2ls9lp1l]

The Kani Bisami in the tournament wasn't even full on. The tori was too far away and barely even got the close leg nevermind the far one.

[@Chadi]

Still managed to destroy the leg, it was Yamashita's biggest injury

[@user-bu2ls9lp1l]

@@Chadi Absolutely, and I get why the organization outlawed the technique afterwards. I just really like the technique and feel like the tori was more at fault than anything.

[@ms9625]

Looks like bjj thing

[@Chadi]

Yeah

[@jasonzuvela]

Kanibasami: uke doesn't live in a bubble. They will try to defend by expanding their base, which exposed their Legh towards the underneath of tori. You can see that this is actually what is happening with yamashita. I don't believe you have analysed the mechanics thoroughly enough.