How to Destroy a Franchise: Bayonetta 3 (and how to fix it)

[@noahjones6616]

Not dealing with any Angels or Demons the entire game except for Kraken (apart from Alfheim) definitely disregarded what the franchise and games are... the mindless motiveless green blobs were rather boring.

[@endymion6538]

the first two games had christianity as a motive with angels and devils as enemies. Bayonetta 3 followed Buddhism while creating the enemies. If you study it you can recognize a lot of elements.

[@jeremykwanhongkok4221]

The worst one was trying to turn the Bayonetta franchise into a Marvel multiverse spin-off.

[@mattsen4297]

the game is simultaneously full of cool ideas and creativity while also being the most bland and nothing story ever an impressive feat

[@vikinggamer7727]

​@endymion6538 yeah, while I like some of the new enemies, they don't have charm or even interact with Bayo, unlike the Angels.

[@israelruiz8706]

​@vikinggamer7727 I get that. I know some people don't pay attention to the story of the first two, but the world's and places we visited where amazing. I played bayonetta 3 when it came so it's Been over a year and I can't really remember the worlds that well. Only the desert while I still remember the places from the first two games

[@Mashiris]

I dislike the change of Bayo personality, she used to be this femme fatale and now she's this cutesy girl. I don't have anything against cute characters, but that's just not her, just make a new character. It's more notorious on her dance moves, now they look like kpop and tiktok dance moves instead of her previous more aggressive dance style. (I read somewhere this change was done to appeal to younger fans and the current trend of tiktok). It's so backwards how a character from 2009 who was known to be this badass and femme fatale needs to basically tone it down nowadays.

[@coolio6855]

The addition of a multiverse and Singularity felt SO out of place with the rest of the series. It went directly from the parts of a god fighting for power over each other to a sci-fi story about just some guy destroying everything for... Some reason.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

The problem is Singularity would had been a good villain if there was build up to him kind of how Thanos was built up throughout the MCU up until his introduction in Infinity War. It would had been nice that the real reason Aesir needed the Eyes of the World because he knew Singularity was coming.

[@mettatonneoex]

The Multiverse isn't that out of place but it never got time to brew like the time travel in the series

[@Canido19]

@@mettatonneoex Agreed. And it wouldn't have even needed much to properly build up, since multiple-timelines is a concept that naturally follows from the plot device of time travel.

[@ologracz1110]

@@mettatonneoex I disagree. I just think that developers wanted to ride onto the multiverse hypetrain we have curently. Sure, all bayonetta games were set in a semi-modern world, but in the first one, we though angels, in the second, angels and demons, and now we get those weird eldritch monstrosities, that look like shit from power rangers? It feels really jarring, especially when you wanted another glorious adventure in beautiful places like the city in the first one. I don't want to go to new york again.

[@mettatonneoex]

@@ologracz1110 The cut content is definitely shows that they where willing and able to actually put in effort for beautiful areas. Multiverse or not they were rushed

[@felixthinks351]

i think we're missing the point that this is just a badly written game written with incompetence, plain and simple, time line interpretations, dev transparency, supplementary spinoffs, it's all just trying to cope with the fact that bayonetta 3 for what ever reason, was a bad bayonetta game, with a terribly planned out and nonsense story, awful graphics and end game(seriously wtf happened to the many outfits), only brief hints of something better and that's tragic in a way given how long we've waited, and that just really sucks

[@watermelon520b]

best answer

[@XboxWrestlingFed]

Facts

[@azizulfikri8392]

For me, the fact they pretty much killed off the Lumen Sage out of existence was a mistake. I mean they could have variants of luminetta amongst them and it would make a possibility of Brave Cereza embracing both her Umbran and Lumen side to become an entity stronger than Jubileus. They could have made the trip through the multiverse sort of her training arc so she awaken her Lumen powers and see her contracting a bunch of Arch Angels whom she kicked ass before and see their conflicting expression when it happens.

[@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450]

They should have the Lumen re-emerge, maybe under a new name. Picture this: The albedo, a lone sage, maybe a distant descendant of a secular member of the lumen, achieving power through a lucky combination of genetics, circumstances, and a degree of insanity needed to actually take those ancient writings seriously. They've managed to create a haphazard technique to harness the force of paradiso, tattooing runes to their body with the ashes of saints, traveling to the ruins of vigrid, and contacting the Laguna, despite their inability to properly communicate with angels, they could be a strange ally, a magical convergent evolution, so to speak, and a new way to bring balance to the trinity.

[@darryldavis6063]

Bayonetta being a half-breed should have been brought up again. She could have had a future son who is a Lumen. The idea that the intersection of light and dark would bring calamity still isn't lost. She's the center of the main conflict but the hero.

[@Canido19]

@@darryldavis6063 Personally, I have a headcanon that Viola actually has a natural aptitude for sagearts, but it's a talent that goes uncultivated because Cereza, despite having Lumen heritage, never learned the stuff herself and thus was *only* able to teach Viola witchcraft, which just isn't as intuitive to Viola as it is for Cereza. (On the subject of Bayo's hypnothetical son, I personally like reading Viola as a trans girl. Though, even without that interpretation, Viola has SO much potential for this story.)

[@darryldavis6063]

@@Canido19 I was just thinking in terms of Kamiya's way of writing. Having a Lumen Sage son would be an obstacle to overcome. Learning how to balance in the Trinity and in the arts.

[@Canido19]

@@darryldavis6063 I'm not sure how it's an obstacle. Cereza herself never really bothered with balancing witchcraft and sagearts in her own practices. If her child decided to go the route of sagearts instead of witchcraft, what obstacle would there be beyond the lack of sages around to teach the kid?

[@thenoxbox4829]

Bayonetta 4 should start off as her waking up and realizing the entire third game was a dream

[@meshechwhitley8552]

Exactly and the actual story they wanted should be it since the demo story was better

[@cocaman1345]

@@meshechwhitley8552demo?

[@elmono6299]

You know. That would be a perfect way to recon the entire game without any confusion and plot holes.

[@seannemcdaniel2126]

One can only hope

[@mamasitas3566]

LMFAOAOAOA

[@inplane9970]

The biggest issue is the amount of whiplash the story's style and pacing took. Bayonetta as a story never took itself so seriously to the point where every other scene requires a tear-jerk. It was stylish, fast, cinematic, over-the-top, full of wit, and most importantly fun. And you can tell how difficult it was to write Bayo 3 with those aspects involved. It felt like Cereza suddenly turned into a damsel in distress with no common sense.

[@thebrush9506]

It took itself seriously in bayo2 because she was saving Jeanne, after which she went back to being bayo. I’m not trying to start and argument and such, but I’m just pointing it out that there are time where bayo gets serious and solemn

[@daeity1]

@@thebrush9506 this entire comment, and i say this with love and respect, is in the same lane with how the addams family can do camp and seriousness. the first takes on seriousness with the lost brother plot, all the while maintaining the humor. the second addams film, the thanksgiving line that wednesday does.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

Hot take but Bayonetta 3 undermines the narrative already set in place in Bayonetta 1 and 2. I still find it hard to believe that both the Bayonettas from the 1st and 2nd game are two separate people.

[@filipkraljik9693]

I don't think this is a hot take, I think a lot of fans feel this way.

[@drewhaynes1874]

thing is they where meant and confirmed the same person...b3 was just a retcon entirely

[@TheMagicNimbus]

Good, because they’re not. If people would actually pay real attention and read the character entries that you are given throughout the game, you’d know that this is not at all the case and was not being implied whatsoever. “Bayonetta 2”, or the “Witch with Discerning Eyes”, is very blatantly stated to have walked an almost identical path to Cerezita, or the main Bayonetta we play as. She also has a completely different Labolas from the actual Labolas in B2. Cerezita is the same one who was never sealed away for 500 years, meaning that this “Bayonetta 2” variant also was never sealed, meaning it cannot be the same Cereza from the first and second games, simple. And so, either the “Bayonetta 1” or Witch in Remembrance variant is meant to be the original Cereza from both 1&2, or just like the Witch with Discerning Eyes, she’s simply a variant and that’s all she is.

[@Novarcharesk]

Literally nothing of Bayonetta 3 implies Bayonetta from 1 and 2 are different people. The fight where they exist is plucking them out of their separate timelines. Simple as. That anyone thought otherwise is dumb.

[@massimodalessandro108]

I simply don't believe/accept it, I take Bayonetta 3 as a retcon that I refuse to accept as canon lmao

[@BloodyBraces]

In a perfect world the Bayo 3 antag would've been a Lumen Bayonetta who was The Right Eye of her world and was searching throughout the multiverse to find a new Left Eye (her's being Jeanne)

[@coolio6855]

I might just be a fanboy, but I really think an umbran Balder would be way cooler

[@mettatonneoex]

A Male Bayonetta with Lumen Powers would be very interesting

[@Mashiris]

I really like this idea

[@saxmanmel]

It always stings to see the fans provide more creativity and wit than the actual game.

[@Antiprincipl3]

In my opinion they should drop the multiverse thing, merge all Eve into one the way they did all Adams, bring back the angels and demons vibes with the style and aesthetics of Bayo 2, no more homunculus enemies since singularity is dead, keep him dead! The faeries is a better way to expand on the story than the whole "Bayonetta in the multiverse of madness" bs.

[@loganlamlamay4351]

Can’t wait for the rewritten version of Bayonetta 3.

[@Ramsey276one]

Or maybe, before Bayonett4... Bayonetta Legends - 3 Lights (Hanafuda reference)

[@aggrise6427]

I completely agree with all the points you've brought up in the video and I have a few more things that I didn't quite enjoy as much as I did in the first 2 games: - I don't like how the graphics went down just for the gameplay to shine. I adored how Bayonetta's face looked like in the previous games, while here it looks very out of character to me. - The characterization of Bayonetta wasn't as hitting as before. Bayonetta's mark has always been her over the top attitude combined with a classy, feminine maturity. I felt like all the lines she made didn't hit as hard as they did in the first 2 games. Then, I also prefer how her style was (dancing, fighting, subtle flirting), even the tiniest movement bits felt much more natural and mature than they did in 3, where she feels like an older teen sister. I always felt comfort with Bayonetta and her portrail, but they didn't ascend to that level in 3. - I miss the casualness of the first 2 game instead of the overly seriousness of the third game. For instance, remember when Sapientia was rambling about the witch hunts in the first games and Bayonetta just through an object in his mouth, so he stops blabbering? Scenes like this where missing and a serious tone has been kept throughout the game leaving you with a sense of weakness. I know, those things are more personal preference, but I still wanted to bring them up. I miss Bayonetta 3 for what it could have been...

[@randymilo212]

Agree bayo’s face looks like it was molded from clay 😭

[@echo-__-13-_-]

I wasn't a fan of Bayo 3's story and i agree with all these points, but what annoyed me the most was the lack of costumes. I really wanted to play as hot nurse Bayo, Captain Bayo, Queen of Diamonds Bayo, or anything other than the alternate Bayos. (Seriously tho, Cleopatra Bayo was the only costume i actually liked besides the battle suits)

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The enemies in 3 look like they belong in a t rated licensed beat em up, meanwhile the angels are some of the most fascinating video game enemies ever

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

The low ranking Homunculi fought at the beginning actually put me in mind of the enemies from Kingdoms Hearts. 🤣😂

[@Pirikala_]

The main things I disliked about Bayonetta 3 are just things that I was hoping for and didn't happen. I wanted to discover more of the witches, the sages, and their respective clans, and about Vigrid as well, and I was hoping to do so through the little Cereza plot point of Bayo 1. I wanted a scenario that basically completed the 2 precedent scenarios, since we had Bayonetta 1, and what seemed like at the time, a sequel, Bayonetta 2. We've had discovered a lot of of Bayonetta as we knew her from those two games and brave Cereza seemed to be the perfect opportunity of telling a story in similar themes but with a different shake to it. Instead, we've got a basic multiverse shenanigans with a villain who spawned from nowhere and an ending so lacking that nobody could understand it. Gameplay-wise, it was a really great experience, except for tiny details like how bad the models and facial expressions look sometimes, and the removal of air-to-ground combos Another thing is how sudden Luka and Bayo got together. If it was made in a better way I wouldn't have any problems with it, but it seems rushed. From all the interactions of Luka and Bayo in Bayo 1 and 2, Bayonetta was written more as a female protagonist that despite being very sexy and sensual as her way of expressing herself, didn't need a man to be with. She played with Luka, and I remember Kamiya saying on twitter that she would never date him because in the end she'll live longer than him, they're not on the same wave at all But bam. In Bayo 3 they suddenly get together and their relationship immediately looks like they've been married for 4 years. Viola, now Viola I hate a lot. She doesn't fit with any other characters from the franchise and she seems so out of place. Her being the daughter of B0 and Luka0, I kinda hate it, because Bayonetta interaction with children-like characters like Cereza and Loki always showed how she would protect them and have some sort of "motherly instinct" but it seems really out of place that she just has a child of her own... So not only Viola's character is... weird, it's also very badly introduced and in the end she's supposed to take Bayo's place, that seemed like a joke, that's a bit ridiculous to be honest...

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Plots that fold cleanly onto the original duo are also not hard to think of. for example: with Jubileus gone, and now no more Aesir or eyes of the world to keep things in balance, we meet back up with our main characters as the apocalypse is in full swing. Inferno has invaded Purgatorio, and while the demons tied to the witches are still loyal, things are clearly collapsing, and worse, the witch contracts have been weakened, making summons nearly impossible. In this madness, Bayonetta meets back up with Loki who's taking shelter at the Gates of Hell. They agree on a course of action. Send bayonetta back in time to before the witch hunts, and convince a Lumen sage to teach our witch their arts, as they are much more effective on demons. She has several clashes with the sages over this blasphemy before one sage goes rogue and agrees to help. You already know which one. Things go off the rails, bayonetta accidentally causes her parents to meet, setting off the events of the series. Her training is cut short as Bayonetta is pulled back into the present because Loki loses concentration at the first major turning point of the story: the Gates of Hell cafe is destroyed. Armed with the basics and her intuition, she has to learn on the go and become a lumen sage to take on the father of lies. This way we turn the conventions on their heads while staying with a lot of the game's traditions. Over the course of the game Bayonetta would revisit Vigrid, Isla del sol, and Noatun, as well as brand new locations to learn more about the lost Lumen arts, as well as try to defeat the worst hell has to offer. For the finale, Bayonetta and Jeanne do a joined summon again, bayonetta taking her father's place to summon Omne.

[@brentmichael1392]

@@shadeblackwolf1508 I wish this happened instead. How depressing that we got homunculi 😭

[@altheaarchives96]

Agreed 10000%

[@Lolwhattheheck]

THIS

[@Idle1996]

​@@shadeblackwolf1508 Cringe as fuck man thank God you just write fan fiction

[@Utadaboy]

Bayonetta 3 was flop for me when I realized the pink sweater outfit wasn't playable 😂

[@Comeherekitten]

I think there’s a mod for it in bayonetta two or bayonetta three

[@Mrowemr.pp2]

I always thought the singularity was kind of an awkward antagonist as it is never really explained why he does what he does or how he gets specific abilities and such and also Jeanne getting dunked on again I would love to see her have more of an active involvement throughout the whole story instead of being in a few chapters or doing things off screen😮

[@daeity1]

exactly what i thought. i also still think that the faeries were to make their appearance, then that could've been more a stronger(?) showcase that "hey things are going to SHIT. remember gomorrah going rouge? yeah, its much more worse."

[@jeremykwanhongkok4221]

I am all for an original spin-off story centering on Jeanne but after this terrible portrayal of her, I have got a bad feeling that Kamiya has become disinterested in the idea rather he is just merely claiming her as his so-called poster girl which is an absolute insult.

[@daeity1]

@@jeremykwanhongkok4221 considering kamiya left and all... and he doesn't own the ip.... maybe PG can do something really cool with jeanne at this point. but you know, just take this reply with a grain of salt with how b3 stained tf out of everyone ( yes, including luka ) and somewhat killed their characters. what we can do is manifest a way where this can happen. and hopefully this spin-off that jeanne will get, she can truly shine without being a shadow for someone else to shine.

[@jeremykwanhongkok4221]

Indeed, we just have to wait and see how all of this would come to pass. Oh yeah, that Luka part is appalling and we would definitely have preferred Bayonetta to be solitary as she has always been. @@daeity1

[@burstlady66]

Idea for a retcon: if singularity is an AI, what if he was asked to write a bayonetta game story and it was all just a story made by AI which explains the plotholes

[@madambutterfly1997]

Singularity’s motivation and end goal is the same as any rogue AI.

[@ADreamCalledEternity]

Right. Nothing original. But somehow people think he's a more interesting villain than Aesir.

[@christopherbravo1813]

bro, I've seen rogue AI that are more interesting than this man, and he's a full-on human being!

[@heroofmobius6616]

I’m sick of the multiverse. Multiverses are supposed to be a tool so writers can have a certain character go on a bunch of adventures with out it having any serious consequences to a main timeline or continuity.

[@LTDLetsPlays]

It could be used for character exploration as long as the characters are the same at their core by seeing them in different circumstances how they respond etc The modern usage of multiverse by main stream media has none of that just as a excuse to have characters be back

[@cokdstroyr]

its insane how a 2009 game looks better than a 2022 game, even worse is that they’re both in the same series.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

It’s sad that Bayonetta 3 looks worse than Bayonetta 2. A game that came out in 2014

[@Hammerhead0276]

Since we're listing criticisms a bit early. A probably uncommon one is the alternative Bayo's. The 3 during the game have journals throughout their levels. Some give small morsels or information about what they were doing at a particular time. Others give almost no information at all. For instance Japan Bayo competed with Jeanne in a number of things like arcade games and roller skating. Then another entry in that same level chronicles a guy looking at someone, being noticed and skittering off. I understand them not like, making whole novels worth of information, but it also seems like with Bayo 3 they loathed giving the player any information about the world. Perhaps they thought that with less players could build their own narrative to an extent? But for me personally it falls a bit flat honestly. Also, also. Fairies. I'm not opposed to a brand new magical faction, but the game introduced them like it was totally something we'd know and understand then opted to say nothing and not even have single journal on them. Cereza and the Lost Demon did a lot of work to retroactively fill this void but when it was just playing Bayonetta 3 it genuinely felt like an entire game in the middle was missed.

[@roamingtheinternet8652]

What exactly even is Phenomenal Affirmity, why & how does Singularity even have that power, where did it come from

[@davidandre3719]

Plot twist Kamyia wasnt expecting to even be given the chance to make Bayo 3, he only had the plot for 2 games that lore wise circled into each other, and that's why he decided to leave, he had no clue what to do next. This whole "I had 9 bayos in mind" ordeal is just so we keep interested and consume whatever he does next

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

Double plot twist, he got displaced to the wrong universe and we are the unfortunate ones who can't get the nine (9) games. 😭😂

[@darryldavis6063]

I don't think so. He's too proud to have his reputation damaged. The game felt like he started something, but Nintendo wanted more out of the name Bayonetta. The game was Nintendo-fied. It was a deliberate attempt to be a Kamiya game. It was the campy humor of Viewtiful Joe and The Wonderful 101 and the mechanics of DMC. He was VP of Platinum at the time and had to probably stay quiet.

[@AlmondMilkLake]

​​@@CRCRAZYCHICK97After 3 i honestly don't wanna know what those 9 games were like... Imagine 9 entire plots starring Viola 🤢

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

@@AlmondMilkLake I like Viola but the execution of her introduction could have been handled better, that's for sure. Maybe like in Metal Gear Solid for Raiden? (My only example, sorry. 😅😅) Cereza didn't have to die in the same game, the rushed making of it despite having all those years to sort it didn't help. If she had to die in three (3) then allow us more time with the variants as our Cereza or Viola to build character would have helped a lot. Anything to sort out the introduction is better than what we got but I still like Viola all the same, just bad execution is all I'm trying to say. 😅🤔

[@ArtMaster09]

​@@CRCRAZYCHICK97same here. Viola deserves more love.

[@agreedboarart3188]

My biggest gripe with the story was that the "lore" pickups didn't even build or contain any lore at all. It was just barely comprehensible nonsense. You learn more lore by just looking through the character screens. So that's something from 1 and 2 that is completely missing. Also hate that they retconned Bayo 2 to be a different universe. As far as the gameplay, idk, I just didn't feel like I was playing Bayonetta...

[@PyraJord]

Bayonetta 3 is gonna go down in history on what not to do for a sequel story. It was awful! Completely out of left field. Ditched what made the first two so great

[@ADreamCalledEternity]

Also one of the funniest things about Singularity is how he got his ass kicked by Jeanne as a trainee in her spirit form.

[@andrewharris1344]

Personally I feel the game had to much time and they tried to do everything with no real focus. The Eyes were never mentioned, bulder and the other sages were never mentioned. Bayonetta being an any romantic relationship feel’s underdeveloped, and Viola could have been a young rouge Witch they trained they mentioned in the lore you don’t have to be related to a witch to become one.

[@madambutterfly1997]

I was hoping for Bayonetta to continue flying solo

[@theflea9091]

great video! i pretty much agree with everything you said. i think what pisses me off the most is how dirty they did jeanne and how the multiverse story basically disregards all of the lore from the first 2 games, you know, the lore that the fans actually like and care about.

[@book7875]

They took the budget from storytelling because they needed money to actually animate cutscenes

[@BeatGoat]

Yet a huge chunk of the cutscenes somehow ended up looking worse 💀Lots of Bayo just standing around or her face stretching into really uncanny expressions. That lip-licking scene is the stuff of nightmares.

[@KirbysterPlays]

It's such a shame that Bayonetta 3 thought to rework the established story to fit its facts rather than respecting what it had created. Although I didn't wait so long to be so critical (👀) it's really great that you've finally been able to make a video like this. Bayonetta 3 seemed to have sabotaged itself by butchering character development and presenting so many questions that can confuse every player of Bayonetta, regardless of how well-versed you are with the story. It shouldn't be up to interpretation really, it's just a risky decision after a risky decision. We really aren't sure why Bayonetta 3 decided not to take this turn - but we aren't better for it. What complicates this more now is that Kamiya has left and has taken his ideas for the next Bayonetta games with him. We have no idea how much is left to go off. And did Bayonetta Origins really help? That's actually what annoys me more than Bayo 3s ending. Origins was the perfect opportunity that Platinum created for itself to reconcile Bayonetta 3 entirely. They totally fumbled it. Origins itself is whimsical and beautiful, but it continues Bayo's story rather than explaining the past. And ending Bayo 3 with 'to be continued in a new generation' before showing us in Origins that there are still Cereza variants who are alive, and making them the lead character, seems to send a conflicting message. On the subject of interpretations, I truly believed at the time of playing that the different Bayonetta versions didn't return to their respective universes, they died. I don't know why 3 was so different to the first two. It's so much work. No answer you can come to is rewarding. We have no direction, no clear picture, only a disrespected lore and a devastated franchise. It will be incredibly difficult to move forward after Bayonetta 3. Mentally I'm still at that moment in the closing months of last year where the audience reaction was utter dismay. And don't get my started on how there's literally 0000 on the Humunculi and anything like Singularity's motive, it's just, ugh, makes me mad just thinking about it... I know this comment is all over the place, but such is the case with initial reactions most of the time! It's great to hear you talk and analyse like this, actually. You said everything I was hoping you would. Can't wait for part 2 in December!

[@MemeinAndDreamin]

Hi, just curious on what you consider to be sabotaged character development and reworked story? It's pretty clear this game is a seperate universe. The only real issue I have is the implication Bayo 1 and 2 are seperate people.

[@KirbysterPlays]

@@MemeinAndDreamin Yeah! Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 being separate people is what I'd referred to!

[@deluxe1886]

@@KirbysterPlaysI just finished the game today and I'm just as confused as everyone else. But a theory I read on reddit says they're 2 different people bc the red Bayonetta is from 1 and 2, while the blue one is just from another multiverse where she had very similar experiences, although she's not the original Bayo 2. They said this due to Labolas being a cat (unlike Bayo 2 where it's a dog), and something that's absent on the clock of her chest. So basically, it's original Bayonetta from the first games, purple Bayonetta is strong Cereza, and the blue one is just a random Bayo they added to make a cool scene.

[@MemeinAndDreamin]

​@@KirbysterPlaysCool thanks for the clarification man, I appreciate it. If you want my personal headcanon, I interpret Bayo 2 being the one from 1 and 2 and "Bayo 1" being a very similar variation Bayo 1 but hasn't gone through 2 yet (or her own version of it). Or perhaps she's time displaced. At the end of the day it's really just to have the 1 2 and 3 costumes standing next to each other so it might be one of those things we shouldn't think too hard about haha.

[@Tb40556]

People love saying “no one plays bayonetta for the story. If you do and get disappointed, that’s on you.” Like, yeah, the plot is complicated, but the first two games had a clear and focused vision. Bayonetta 3 does not. It feels like an embarrassingly late Endgame knockoff that used the multiverse to maximize fan service. I’m a fan and can say that the fan service we got is cheap in comparison to the fan service I wanted (A GOOD STORY). I’d trade in Alraune’s cameo or blonde Bayo in a heartbeat for just a taste of the climax foreshadowed in the second game. The drop in plot quality is so extreme that you’re just left scratching your head….

[@ADreamCalledEternity]

I'll never understand why people say, "No one plays Bayo for the story" I sure as hell do. And while the gameplay is great in Bayo 2 and especially Bayo 1, the stories and characters are what makes me love this series the most. Why are there so many videos about Bayonetta's iconic moments on YT? Bc she's a fun protagonist! Bayo 3 took me out of that experience by having her sit there while watching variants of herself die lol

[@5Elric]

While playing this game I kept imagining a different story for it, in which instead of 'Singularity' (who I feel nothing about), the real main antagonist and mastermind behind everything would be Bayonetta herself, or rather one from a universe in which she is a Lumen Sage, with all the powers it implies. This other Bayonetta would be the polar opposite of the one we know, Bald (no hair), Modestly Dressed, stil cheeky but in an order kind of way, as opposed to chaos, one who controls angels instead of demons. Man, I'd love that.

[@jaynoir8937]

Honestly after finally playing Bayo Orgins, having faeries as the enemies in the 3rd Bayo would've made A lot more sense then an interdimensional A.I. especially with Lukaon and Viola being tied to them, shame.

[@UnhealthyHeartbeatObsession]

Rodin would crush Singularity, and throw him into the wind.

[@SiN.raN.home.]

i hate the increase in multiverse media the past few years. im SO OVER IT

[@dusty-edge53]

For Bayo 3, my criticisms largely boil down to the game having great ideas but not really fleshing them out or delivering on the cool premise as follows. Also, Spoilers below so beware: #1 Bayonetta's variants- Like c'mon y'all this was such a cool idea. Having multiple Bayonetta's in every universe with varying personalities, weapons, experiences, etc. was a fun time. I loved meeting each Bayo, but when you stop and think about it, they don't really do much. They show up in a chapter, you get the variant of the world's demon temporarily, meet said variant and you both run around the area kicking ass, maybe a boss ensues, a demon sin summoning happens at some point, get the chaos McGuffin, variant dies in some way, and move on to the next one now equipped with their weapon and demon. And this all happens in like 2-3 chapters max and you spend so little time in each world before Singularity comes crashing in to remind you how he's the final boss. And by the end it feels kinda pointless because why go through the effort to introduce so many fun and lovely Bayonetta's where the most important thing they do is die for the plot to move on and wash, rinse, and repeat. Personally, I would've loved to see how each Bayo in their world is somewhat like a guardian of the McGuffins and idk possibly show what the name Bayonetta means in each world. Or the possible wild team ups between our Bayo, Viola, and the variants before a huge showdown between the final boss. #2 BayoLuka- Now I will admit I'm more of a BayonJeanne shipper, but I still love BayoLuka. That being said, the way this ending pair was executed feels so...shoved in. Like I never really got the vibes from any of the games that Bayonetta actually returned any of Luka's advances. I feel Loki summed him up perfectly in Bayo 2, he's just "the perv who stares at Bayonetta's tit's" and he's really only there to give lore dumps, tell Bayonetta where or even what the next McGuffin is, and/or act as a literal plot device to save whoever's traveling with Bayonetta so she can focus on the fight. Bayonetta spends the first two games not being all that into him. Yeah, she cares about him, she doesn't want him to die or anything, but more often than not Bayonetta gives off the vibes that she only thinks of him as an acquaintance or maybe a friend. Even in Bayo 3, she sends Viola after him to essentially to escort him and hopefully give her some field training, and their few interacts are so short and she still has the same attitude of being playful and somewhat over his shit. Then in the later half, he goes from just the same side character to being one of the main protagonists with all this lore shoved on him and now he's relevant to the fairies?? Bayo all of a sudden needs him to fight and they're in love now? It feels like so many steps were skipped to make it happen without showing any kind interest or change in the dynamics to show Bayo loves him and Luka was willing to go to hell with her for said love. #3 Viola- Now I absolutely love Viola. She's into punk rock, fights with swords and brawls, her demon Cheshire was hilarious, their dynamic was kinda wholesome (you could tell they cared about each other as companions rather than just two beings with a deal that's standard in game), and her gameplay sections for me were fun especially after the patches that made witch time easier to get with her. That being said, Bayo 3 really didn't do much with her. She was hyped up as the second protagonist and is supposed to be one of the main players in the story, hell she's the kid of a Bayo and Luka variant in another universe, but she's barely there and the little time we the players get with her don't really inspire any confidence in her. Yes, we see her grow somewhat, but not enough to confidently throw her into the role of the new Bayonetta after our Bayo dies. She's a witch in training but nothing's done with it beyond her initial gimmicks. Viola throughout the entire game gets three levels in the entire game, and in each of them we see her chase Luka across the multiverse, get her ass handed to her in multiple fights she barely manages to win, and on one hand she doesn't interact Jeanne or any of the Bayo variants while on the other her few interacts with Bayo are so short and spread out that any attempts to make Bayo and Viola seem close feel so forced. Viola and Bayo's dynamic feels so awkward because the story wants the player to believe that they're family even across the multiverse, but they don't build on this beyond the occasion awkward banter. Hell, they spend a majority of the game apart, I'm not even sure why our Bayo is so attached to her by the end. Yeah, one of the Bayo and Luka variants are her parents, but that has no relation to our Bayo and she doesn't get to know Viola on any deeper level. These two are not traveling together and being forced to bond like Cereza and Loki of the previous games and the stories pacing is so fast there's no room to breathe and let them just talk or anything of the sort, so why does our Bayo care so much about Viola? #4 Jeanne- Y'all this ain't a new take but Jeanne was done so dirty it's honestly wild. Jeanne is sent to find Sigurd and escort him to Thule and use the chaos McGuffins to save them all, but Jeanne feels kinda pointless. Don't get me wrong I love Jeanne, the platinum queen who kicks major ass and takes names is always a delight to ride with, but she feels kinda aimless too. Like besides her stealth missions which I believe she gets about five of, she's really only there to die in the end. Even the opening chapters she gets knocked out of the fight and has to be rescued by Bayo, gets shoved aside to find Sigurd, and then gets killed by him after it's revealed Sigurd was Singularity. Also, the death scene was so fast I'm honestly mad for her. Also, in Bayo Origins saying her death was essentially a cannon even that couldn't be altered feels like a cop out like Jeanne not able to defy fate?? Since when???? #5 Singularity- This dude is hella boring as a final boss. Like he's got intimidation factor, I'll give him that. Singularity killed Viola's mom Whittingham Bayo, wiped out multiple variants, killed Jeanne, and was able to manipulate the entire cast into doing the dirty work for him. Like on paper this all makes him sound like a badass, but he's not. For most of the game he only casually pops up to remind the player that he's the main guy you gotta take down and he doesn't really have a reason for doing what he does. Now, not every villain needs some grand narrative reason to be evil, hell they can be evil for the lols, but he's not even that. He's just taking over the multiverse just because? To rip a line from Friendly Space Ninja, Singularity "is the narrative equivalent of driving in traffic." Singularity's reasoning is all hidden until the last few hours of being a bland villain, then is revealed in his bio which is optional content after you beat the game. All in all, Bayonetta 3 has a lot of great ideas, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired. But this is just my take of it, and despite the criticism I still love this game and our lovely Umbra witch. Keep rockin' on folks~

[@NeriBerryz]

I didn't wanna vomit up all the things i didn't like about Bayo 3, SO TY FOR LAYING IT OUT

[@dusty-edge53]

​@@NeriBerryzNo problem~ I gotchu

[@Antiprincipl3]

I agree with everything you said, except for some things in your second point, Bayo and Luka was always hinted especially in the first game(if you want me to expand on that I can). Sorry to say, but Bayo and Jeanne being romantically involved in itself doesn't really make much sense, did you forget that these two people are literally the last descendants of their clan? With Bayo herself being the only hope of reviving the lumen sages? And Jeanne and Bayonetta never saw themselves as lovers, it was headcanon created by some people in the fandom, and an artwork that was rejected by platinum games for "it's strong yuri elements" contributed a lot to the controversy, while I do agree with you that it was poorly done in Bayo 3, Bayo and Luka is most likely what was always intended.

[@dusty-edge53]

@@Antiprincipl3 That's fair enough. Ngl I only mentioned being a BayoJeanne shipper because I just felt like it lol. It's a fanon thing I won't let go lmao, but it doesn't make or break the game for me. If a fanon ship that was never confirmed to be more than a headcanon is what killed my interest, then my friend I wouldn't be a good fan. Honestly it was meant to be a small point in the bigger picture that BayoLuka felt too rushed, and I didn't feel the vibes the story was telling me. Like while personally I don't see the vibes, you can totally make a case that Bayo 1 and 2 built this ship well. Hell, if they got together in either game, I'd be all for it because you see how they care for each other and they actually have conversations where they learn about the main plot and each other. As acquaintances and as friends, it's not too big a jump to say they'd be lovers with a big enough push. Bayo 3 though? Nah, can't see it.

[@Antiprincipl3]

@@dusty-edge53 exactly hating an entire franchise just because a fanship didn't come to be is kinda crazy, it's more like you never really liked the franchise(I personally don't ship though). And I honestly don't know what they were thinking with that third game, I preferred it when it was just badass lady killing demons and angels and not some scientific toothpaste enemies, it just takes away the mythological and ominous vibes from it, the faeries are a good addition though. I hope the 4th game fixes all that though.

[@renren47618]

Writers trying to not ruin their franchises with multiverses in 202X challenge:

[@mrpitt1410]

I think Bayonetta 3 made the mistake of not specifying that it is another universe with different things from the original, although Bayonetta Origins should have come out before B3

[@jeremykwanhongkok4221]

Overall, the main failure of Bayonetta 3 lies with one important aspect that even Kamiya and his cohorts were denying all this while: Their own desperate ambition to acquire more profits in a short-term rather than focusing on long-term quality creativity.

[@jeremykwanhongkok4221]

Exactly, they mess up the timeline and their own priority by confusing the fans and gamers.

[@Zertened]

Thank you for your dedication to Bayonetta ❤💜💙

[@Axol_Draws]

One of the biggest things I didn’t like definitely has to be how the ending just felt rushed I guess? So many things happened at the same time that felt like the game could’ve ended at any of those points and then it just felt weird I guess.

[@Axol_Draws]

I suppose this video did go over that statement… nice ✨

[@wolfywonder8480]

You know what would’ve been really cool? If they were deadset on keeping Singularity, the plot could’ve seen the denizens of Inferno and Paradiso fight together against this greater threat. Imagine fighting alongside the demons and angels you were killing in the last two games! This could also open up the possibility of introducing new Lumen Sages. We know the Umbra Witches were hunted to extinction, but there’s never been any real reason that every single Lumen Sage needed to die before canon. Instead of the fairy/faery twist with Luka, maybe he’s a distant descendant of a Lumen Sage and he gets Sage powers, therefore Viola has access to both types of magic (since she was likely actually raised around both, and possibly trained in both of them too). I’d pay to see a story like that

[@Missrena1000]

That similar to my idea. It makes sense to have Luka be a descendant of the Lumen Sages instead of some weird fairy werewolf hybrid that doesn’t make any sense with his character. It would justify the nearly supernatural sense of timing he has in past games. Having fairies be an another major faction doesn’t feel natural as they were merely a footnote in the games.

[@Dayviono]

That NDA must be strong in regards to Abebe Tinari directing Bayo 4 👀😆.

[@ScytheJackal]

4th game oughta start with Rodin saving Bayo and Luka from Inferno. Playable Rodin would be perfect!

[@filipkraljik9693]

Bayonetta 1: Christianity Bayonetta 2: Norse mythology Bayonetta origins: Irish mythology All have clear themes and inspirations And then Bayonetta 3..... A bit of Christianity, a drop of Irish mythology but mostly generic Sci-Fi.

[@rosnakoda8310]

Bayonetta 3: Demonbane Look it up. It's a classic and very influential Japanese game.

[@muzzaXD]

1:20 my main complaint is the story in general and how it failed to connect from the previous games and just screw up as a Trilogy (which is something that you mentioned :O )

[@CerezaDL]

While I love the idea of using the deadly sin ritual as a last resort, I would be sad to miss out on Baal Zebul's amazing boss fight. It would be nice to have the deadly sin fights in the game while seeing the light from the jewels on bayo's watch slowly dimish over the course of the game, similar to Jeanne's watch in the second game. That way, we'll still have the deadly sins and the suspense of the consequences I wish that the angels and demons are more prevalent, maybe even help out bayonetta defeat Singularly despite any conflict between them cuz Rodin did say the Trinity will be wiped out. Like imagine Bayonetta, being a child of a lumen sage and an umbran witch, showing up with an army of both angels and demons for the final battle

[@jackalx2154]

The deadly sin ritual is cringe af as well as boot leg devil trigger demon masquerade.

[@intrstxllr]

not enough time was spent with each bayo variant for us to care too much about them

[@Zenithia4]

Never think i would ever run into a bayonetta content creator

[@dreamxhollow]

Bro, you really put post nut clarity in the thumb nail I fucking love it

[@SakuraSamael]

My goodness did I ever hate the kaiju battles. I felt exactly as you did, that they should have been her last resort, not a casual plot device thrown in for flash and flair. We could have still had Baal Zebul. The demons do have a will of their own, as evidenced by their unwillingness to attack the Homunculi. It could also be argued that they could use that will to just enjoy proving their power, though, fighting alongside Bayonetta simply because she is so strong herself and it's fun for them. I mean, Baal chose a concert. Madama wanted a bubble bath. They clearly get as much enjoyment from the fighting as they do the theatrics of that fighting. Those fights could have been treated as less taxing on Bayonetta since it was mainly her demons coming out to play, and they could have acted as build-ups for when she would perform the Deadly Sin Ritual seriously at the end. Just busting it out every other chapter really made it less effective as a plot device. Also, as many have said, the Homunculi have zero personality. There's nothing quite like knocking down an angel and then watching their absolute bewilderment as you proceed to spank the halos out of them. I can't think of any memorable moments with B3's enemies. Lastly, I do like Viola. I think she's gotten the same treatment as Nero from Devil May Cry 4. It took a while to appreciate him, and DMC5 finally turned him into an awesome lead, worthy of sharing the stage with Dante. Just give Viola more time. She's finding her feet yet, and hopefully she'll get the same turnaround.

[@ebenezerstooge]

The thing is we probably won’t see another Bayonetta game anytime soon now that kayima is gone. He killed his own series which just shows he isn’t a writer. He’s an idea guy but not a good story teller

[@howdidigethere3960]

-who the Inferno is bayo talking about in the beginning of chapter 1 bayo: are u sure this fantasy island is real? unknown person: "believe and the path will open" literally who the heck is talking, chesire only roars and stuff and the voice sounds like singularity but why the hell is he talking -bayo: hmm someone seems very interested in our arrival viola: is it .. him? who is "him"? singularity? luca? chesire? dude from powerpuff girls? -why is corrupted kraken bayo talking to viola as if she was teaching her anything, she literally doesnt exist for the whole game -hate how they killed off all the lumen sages guess they rlly werent a counterbalance -so lil customization with costumes or gameplay with no jeanne -viola sucks she doesnt grow as a person and shes awful to play -cant have separate save files

[@kaddy4031]

i am salty that bayonetta and jeanne didn't get together, i won't even deny it. but to kill off jeanne and not have bayonetta even react to it (as far as i can remember at least, i played the game once and never picked it up again) bayonetta who, in the previous game, went to literal hell to save jeanne?? bayonetta and jeanne are together in my gay little heart, that's all that natters to me at this point.

[@makaze]

This is such a good video. I really wanted to compile all my thoughts about B3, but never got round to it. Always grateful for these videos!! I will never get over how ill I was after finishing the game… so much sadness etc. it really was such an awful end. I hope we get the deluxe version

[@monicadefreitas5435]

I have always thought that the origins Cereza was the Witingham fair Bayo, Viola's mom. That is how Viola got Cheshire and her mom giving her the faerie powers.

[@feudalkoopa1564]

Thank god I wasn't fully invested in the multiverse plot but if Origins came first before B3 it wouldn't much piss off much of the fans but I hope we finally have a consistent timeline in the next Game if there is

[@advmx3]

At the end section when you talk about the story of bayonetta and possible routes they could have taken: Finally someone said it. there's a lot of people who are still on denial with Bayonetta 3. It's an awesome game, awesome gameplay and all that. But it fails on what it tries to deliver. Yes Bayo is not about story but Bayonetta 3 LITERALLY wants us to focus on plot. There's so many things they could have made to make us understand things more, making Rodin saying he helped different kinds of Bayonetta's in different multiverses mentioning Bayo 1, Bayo 2 Prologue and Bayo 2 would be awesome but nope. We need to figure it out because they don't want to work on story. No matter what anyone says to me. B3 feels rushed, they focused only on one aspect in the development hell and forgot all the rest. The fact that Jeanne has every single line Bayonetta has but she's only playable in small sections it's just annoying. Again: I wish they have done a better version of this game and I hope one day they try to do a Director's Cut or we're heading to a universe where Platinum themselves will start doing what Square Enix does with FF13. They will start ignoring it ever existed.

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

I personally loved FF Thirteen (13) trilogy though looking back on it, I can see the flaws it had. At least it also had DLC to some extent. Overall I do agree with you there. Last thing we need is for this to be left hanging with such a mess. Fun gameplay, happy for the award but people have to see the flaws too. (Hope that made sense.) 💪😎💕

[@mattsen4297]

its such a weird game, with all its flaws i do think i enjoyed it. but the worst part that pushes me into not liking it is the switch visuals. almost makes me motion sick with how pixelated and blurry things become. hoping for some kind of visual or FPS update to make revisting it easier

[@elusivo3347]

I think Singularity would’ve worked better if his motivations were actually tied into the events of the first two games like what if he felt the need to correct the universe after the loss of the Right Eye of Light

[@odisleftpaw5663]

33:20 I'm one of those people, don't get me wrong I still love bayonetta as much as I did before b3 came out but b3 disappointed me so much that I couldn't even bring myself to care about origins not only cause the gameplay was nothing I cared about but also cause the narrative of 3 was so disjointed from the previous 2 games that I didn't feel the need to

[@kevinadityo6384]

I just came across BBC World video about "A simple guide to chaos theory" that is actually explaining about The Butterfly Effect. After watching that video, i think Kamiya is actually trying to tell us the Butterfly effect of sending back little Cereza in Bayo 1 that resulting in a lot of alternate Bayonetta creation. Funny how Butterfly is the main concept of Bayonetta as she made pact with Madama. And keep in mind Butterfly Effect is Chaos Theory and Bayonetta 3 world sets in "The universe of light, dark and Chaos" where Bayo 1 and 2 sets in "the universe of light and dark" In nutshell, the butterfly effect explains that a small change that we do will result in big impact in the future. Butterfly effect makes uncertain phenomenon a.k.a Chaos in the future which Singularity hate. Go watch the BBC video and i think it resonates very well with Bayonetta 3's story. Eventhough, i still don't see the importance of Viola and Lukaon's existance though. The fairy thing is what this game meh.

[@chrisk5512]

No story line, nothing happens for a reason, every universe is the exact same, terrible graphics, characters acting stupid for the sake of the plot, making us wait five years only to release a game with no improvements from the previous game; in fact they made the game less user friendly (cutting off your combo when you hit the minus button), less gameplay, introducing a character who is so out of touch from the fans, a forced love story only a niche people on the internet asked for

[@franticfranz22]

Actually, it's PlatinumGames' hard-headedness and lack of direction that are kinda at fault for this. They wanted to do something like Nier:Automata because it was a smash hit for them. But they were having difficulties pulling it off. Nintendo has always been hands-off, but when they saw they weren't going anywhere they advised Platinum to go back to the structure of their previous games. That's why the presentation seemed inconsistent, they had to patch everything up last minute. Look at Xenoblade Chronicles. Up to the 3rd game, MonolithSoft (Nintendo's subsidiary) has maintained a level of consistency in terms of presentation, design and battle mechanics. They may change things here and there, but you know it's Xenoblade you're playing. Nintendo is hands-off at this too, EPD is never involved. And Monolith weren't trying to chase something...unlike what Platinum ended up doing.

[@chrisk5512]

OH how could I forget the removal of having multiple weapons

[@daeity1]

you know what? i wished they really went balls deep in the lore and do more of the prototype versions of the old games and make a good excuse to use it as a "part of the multiverse" trope and THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO SICK. if b3 also really did use the b1 and b2 stages, that alone would also be a killer plot moving forward. also faeries should've made the cut first and then presented again ( the weaker variants ) for cereza game. Rodin can talk about the existence of faeries, and how their "kind" is a lot more violent compared to the demons but also a stronger implication that the world has truly gone to shit.

[@jowoman7799]

I will never like Bayonetta and Luka. Regardless of whether it was "planned," the relationship doesn't work at all. Bayo and Jeanne always had more chemistry.

[@ACagedBird364]

Can we talk about how satisfying it is though whenever she summons something? CIAOFI BOLZARG

[@michotito4874]

just finished B3 and thought to see some lore, lm really glad l found this channel ♥ Singularity is just someone that wanted 5 keys and used Bayonetta and viola to get them for him, now there are a lot of stuff that doesnt make sense with that like for example, if Singularity manipulated Viola how did he ended up crossing her at the end AND also told her to find HIM and give him the 5 keys. But there are other stuff thats never stated like why is he disabled, at first l though he wanted to change reality to stop being paralyzed, but that sounds like an understatement. Or why he needed to kill everybody and destroy worlds and realities.

[@SteelSnakes]

Not Singularity, but Connor Sigurd from beginning of the game told Viola to find his another variant (Midmyers Sigurd) and give him keys. So Singularity knew the plan, and all he needed is just to switch places with Dr.Sigurd. Connor Sigurd (Resistance Leader from beginning), Dr.Sigurd (disabled scientist) and Singularity himself is variants of one person like Enzo, MC Enzo from Japan, Inspector Enzeau from France. Singularity destroyed worlds because he wanted to fuse all universes to one, thus will grant him ability to wield power of the Chaos and with that power he can do whatever he wants with the Trinity of Realities. And he don't kill everybody, he hunted down Arch-Eves from every dimension, because somehow they are vital to the stability of their own universe. Sorry if it was hard to read, English is not my native language.

[@michotito4874]

oh dont worry, its not my first language either... yeah l completely forgot they are many variants of everybody, l just thought Singularity was the same person all along because it was never established that they "fused" or traded places as you said, or even talked with each other to tell their plans on first place, so yeah thats confusing to say the least (l mean disabled Dr Sigurd and Singularity) also "he hunted down Arch-Eves from every dimension, because somehow they are vital to the stability of their own universe" this l was in the idea that they were just trying to fight him , l mean its the most obvious reason. But him manipulating them to help HIM was even more confusing... like they just trust him without any regards to who he was? makes little sense to me (though they didnt have any other plan, or cared to make one at that point) so yeah they can get away with that l guess hehe

[@SteelSnakes]

@@michotito4874 Singularity is one person, he did't fuse with other variants of himself, he just kill those who tries to stop him, like Connor and Dr.Sigurd. As i see, Connor Sigurd and Dr.Sigurd maybe worked together, because Viola, Bayonetta b0 and Connor traveled across multiverse (Connor tells to Viola - "This is our last world bridge", "You know... what to do...", they already have 1 Chaos Gear and a dialogue from Jeanne's side chapter 2). There was mistake in their plan, because resistance believed that Singularity sealed the Alphaverse with his true body, so no one can actually destroy him and he won't risk to leave it. But Singularity knew why they collecting Chaos Gears (it was pretty obvious), he killed Dr.Sigurd, took his place, lured Arch-Eve Origin to the Alphaverse and seal her there. Viola trusted to Connor Sigurd, because she knew him well, and Bayonetta with Jeanne trusted to Viola because Rodin said that her words actually makes sense and they don't really have any other plan. About Arch-Eves, he hunt them not only because they dangerous and vital to the stability of universes, but also their souls contains energy he need to create his new universe, probably with Arch-Adams energy. Like Adam an Eve create new life, with combined power of all Arch-Eves and Arch-Adams Singularity will create new reality.

[@KidEDarus]

This was a heavy research, upon everything that has been said is how I feel about Bayonetta 3 as a whole. I still love this franchise & it's cast, but the story really did lack a lot. What I really hope for (it seems like wishful thinking though) is most certainly DLC to better explain as well as give more depth into the world of Bayonetta. I would love to see this series have success in other media; like what they did with Bayonetta Bloody Fate, graphic novels, or hell even comics similar to the Sonic IDW comic series. I still wanna support and continue watching this series grow. I'm not too worried about gameplay though, my honest opinion they nailed it with making that part fun even Origins. I really hope that Platinum is paying close attention to the feedback like this video. You really knocked it out of the park Rakun, another well thought out video.

[@floofzykitty5072]

Even though it's been said time and time again, it truly did not fit with the core themes of the Bayonetta series to have your power fantasy constantly be disrupted by the character you're playing as essentially getting their ass kicked over and over. It's okay to have moments where Bayonetta loses, is fighting an uneven battle or is straight up failing at her task, but she should always be given the opportunity to overcome her challenges. There were so many Bayonetta deaths where I kept thinking they died to what I can only call natural selection. Bayonetta has never been shown to get seriously worn out or tired, yet somehow most of the deaths can be attributed to Bayonetta being "so tired she doesn't see the huge attack coming at her". Seriously? I thought Bayonetta was the famed witch, one of the most powerful beings on Earth, the Heavens and Hell and yet she's dying in the most stupid ways possible. If you're gonna kill her, at least do it in a believable way like how Egyptian Bayonetta sacrifices herself for the greater good.

[@jadebayoba7073]

We need Bayo 4 to work like Persona 3 FES, were there was the main story and then a side story of the aftermath

[@kanaeRobles]

Hey Rakunx, I've got an idea for Bayonetta 5! I'd love for PlatinumGames to introduce a new Umbra Witch living among humanity, akin to Cereza and Jeanne. This character, who has experienced the events of Bayonetta 1, 2, and 3, would have a connection with Rosa, Cereza's mother, serving as her teacher. While I've outlined the concept, I'm unsure if PlatinumGames will consider it. It's been a far-fetched idea I've been contemplating for a year and a half. The plot revolves around this seasoned Umbra Witch emerging to aid Viola or the new protagonist, offering guidance and sharing the untold story of why she couldn't assist Cereza during the fight with Singularity. It's a blueprint for the narrative, still a work in progress tied to the Trinity Bayonetta games. While I hope my idea comes to life, for now, it's just in development. What are your thoughts or any comments you might have?

[@jadedragon216]

Remember Jet Li's The One where an evil variant of him was traveling around the multiverse killing other variants in order to become more powerful, steal that plotline and have an evil Bayonetta.

[@elmono6299]

No Tag Climax really pissed me off. That was the best mode in the 2nd game, and the fact they removed it is blasphemy.

[@Call0045]

I have no idea why I did watch this whole video as I'm not even a bayonetta fan, but it was so enjoyable that I couldn't stop. Anyways, I just wanted to say that DoD2 is easy to skip in the Drakenier universe because Yoko Taro had nothing to do with it. Thus making it noncanon by nature.

[@conspiracyspider]

The multiverse thing felt wrong when you take into consideration that Rodin would be aware of the multiverse and how he interacts with 3 different bayos at the same time.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Bayonetta 1 was a satisfying beat em up with a complex story that twists and turns through time to deliver a satisfying package for anyone trying to follow along. Bayonetta 2 is satisfying in its own right but also folds with the first to deliver both a sequel and a prequel, while delving deeper into the true nature of this setting. The why and the how. Bayonetta 3 shares some characters with this narrative. It's sad but that's where the connection ends. I'd have loved to see how the timeline continued with both the creator and the god of chaos eliminated. Would it cause hell to surge forth? Maybe force our Bayonetta to learn her father's arts to stand up to this reality's father of all sin and restore balance? We'll never know cause it's just one thread in a multiverse and a thread we won't explore any further.

[@ilucasz]

Everyone knows that Luca didn't die, he just reincarnated in Brasil as Samuel Rodriguez and then became Jetstream Sam.

[@animator1982]

You said it all my friend. I still haven't played Bayo3. I just can't bring myself to. Whats the point? I have all the enjoyment I'll ever need with 1&2.

[@aidensnow5017]

I miss your content, hope all is well, wondering if you've check out or where planning on making content for Stellar Blade?

[@rodrigoc.2411]

Cereza could have saved all other Bayos change my mind

[@daeity1]

without a fucking doubt.

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

Or at least last long enough where they didn't die so easily. Seriously China and Egypt Bayonetta?! 😭😂

[@daeity1]

@@CRCRAZYCHICK97 egypt bayo was ELITE and died a hero... china bayo however...

[@CRCRAZYCHICK97]

@@daeity1 I won't deny that actually now that you mention it. But sh estill could have masquerade her way out! China Bayo however. I honestly don't know, epic entrance but what was that death? 😅💕

[@daeity1]

@@CRCRAZYCHICK97 EXACTLY. i actually replayed b3 and man... everything still fucks me up. the hype is real with the game, with the gameplay being IMMACULATE but the story just.. there's a lot of things that really killed bayo as a character. also, talking about deaths that could've been easily avoided... i still have zero clue on why french bayo got clapped so easily too like y'all... is the masquerade technique THAT easily trampled or has the umbran bad bitches gone soft coz HOW??? edit: ALSO HI !! I FORGOT ABOUT OUR CONVO ,, yall have discord or sumn ,, i'd love to chat and stuff !!

[@intrstxllr]

confusion between a multiverse and multiple timelines (how tf does they happen btw???) so there shouldn’t be french / egyptian / chinese / etc bayo variants.

[@alex8_]

I never liked the multiverse concept and I was really shocked to see it on Bayo 3, because it hinted that bayo 1 and 2 weren't the same. Also, if they wanted to make new Bayo games with Viola, they would have to change her to the point where she wasn't Viola anymore. They would have to get rid of the Sword as her only weapon (the appeal to Bayonetta's gameplay was the different weapons)

[@Lucy_the_Pomeranian]

It's actually sad but I don't think we will get any new content for bayonetta 3 or more demons or more of anything really , but like who knows they could prove us wrong I mean in hideki kamiyas thumbnail it says oops I have spoken too much maybe just maybe he's under Nda and can't really say anything in regards to what pg are making who knows maybe they making dlc or bayo 4 or directors cut lol

[@drewhaynes1874]

tbh they could retcon the series and reboot it ...just make up another bayonetta with her own story not tied to the past games. hellena taylors bayo, and jenneifer hales bayo eras finished their stories tbh.... they can bring back viola after two games in the newer ere, let her be a multiverse hopper that just helps around but has no story focus... everything still happens just in another universe

[@muzzaXD]

Damn Rakun your video delivered XD I agree with everything you mentioned and I really hope the surprise that Platinum games is teasing for the game awards is DLC. Also when you mention coincidences in story I'm just like "REAL" XD

[@-N-977]

Bayo 1 Ceresa is the one from the movie, Bayo 2 Ceraza is the one from the first two games and bayo 3 bayonetta is the one sent back in time in Bayo 1

[@ashsmoke4199]

My main issue in 3’s writing is that Origins feels like a necessary pre-read for a lot of it to make sense. Fixing a story (kind of) a few months later in a spin-off not everyone will play is just not the move, it bugs me.

[@diabolike8055]

Kinda agree and disagree at the same time like Isn t bayo 2 the same thing ? Fixing up non sens or unanswered questiion that the first game could not ? People was not complaining cause it was the continuation of the first game story but here its different It feels bad cause its a beautifull but too short and mostly origins story If origins was a 4 big game and continuation of the 3rd game the "necessary pre read " would not be a point What is wrong is not origins itself but the fact that we need another game to answer all question of the 3rd game Kinda funny when you think about it 2 bayo game to solve each other mystery's And 3 game for resolve the 3rd game of the franchise ❤️💙💜😅

[@matiasfrancogracia9336]

Easy way to fix: eradicate everything from Bayo 3. No Luka as love interest. No Viola. No multiverse. No demon masquerade. No little Cereza as a protagonist. Give us our Bayonetta (the one and only from 1&2). Respect for Jeanne. Weapons for hands and feet. And Bayo as she was in 1&2: mature, sassy and not childish. Also better graphics, Bayonetta 2's was good as it was.

[@johanandersson8252]

I still think that Bayo 3’s story should have been more about the clans

[@andresbravo2003]

Your thoughts really understands me the most. I was quite surprised for your video!

[@leprifacioncustard4921]

I got into Bayonetta for two things: 1) her attitude and 2) the gameplay. While the gameplay of Bayonetta 3 is very fun, it is not fun enough for me to see though the character assassination of Bayonetta and the entire abandonment of what the franchise was about up to that point. Bayonetta does not feel like herself AT ALL, you might as well have a new character up there

[@vanguard1012]

it would be fun if 3rd series was about diving deep into the role of the umbra and the sages, which also introduces a new race from the world of chaos that could be important as the next installment. (hope it was a dragon cause dragons are cool) Then the 4th series was about them where Cereza got into something big with them, but ultimately they became her friend and were ready to help her if she needed their aid. On the 5th the fairy returned and they needed Cereza's help to face a new treat, which also Singularity introduction in the end. at last, on the 6th we go to total war with Singularity with our allies while our favorite witches search for something to defeat Singularity, in the end, we pull some power of friendship to defeat Singularity

[@buzzybbuzzbuzz89buzzybbuzz41]

If the fourth game isn’t about angels, I’m gonna do something to myself that I cannot say on KZbin😊😊

[@darryldavis6063]

The beginning started out as a Kamiya Plot but it quickly lost its way. I said the game didn't play like one of his. In all honesty I would see his story as Bayonetta's children having to carry on Umbra and Lumen powers since she's a half breed. Even the demons were out of place. They weren't monstrous and weren't tailored to suit the lore. No enochian either from the angels. The following the Demon around for a mission and then being able to summon was annoying because we knew those demons. It wasn't a surprise to see what would appear during a Climax. This game goes the same place DMC 2 goes.

[@DeathXtremeHaseo]

A simple idea to still have the kaiju battles etc would've been for the respective alt universe Bayo's to be the ones to the Deadly Sin ritual then they become part of Brave Cereza afterwards. Sure that'd require reworking the entire stages as well so Brave Cereza DOESN'T use their demons/weapon/Demon Masquerade until their universe dies but it makes for more cohesive story and doesn't give them shitty deaths (looking at Tokyo Bayo). I think some of the things that make no sense is just what happens when you focus gameplay first over story; before people say "it's a game, it SHOULD focus gameplay first", that doesn't work because story gets limited by the gameplay (ie: can't have story beat of X powers being locked because gameplay and player retention suffers) or vice versa (things you can do in gameplay but storywise, characters don't do for some reason; stupid simple and funny one is using Phantasmaranea as a free nuke [I know she uses it in Egypt Bayo finale but there were lots of other times that free nuke would've cut down time on killing enemies] or using Train weaponry to deal with multiple Homunculi during cutscenes etc)

[@NoomEnihsDrop]

I struggle to think of examples of media that somehow manage to destroy ***every*** single character in the franchise one by one until everyone just sucks and the whole community wants everything to be completely restarted again. Cereza, Jeanne, Luka, Viola, you name it. Every single character here just feels..... Off. And now they're *all* dead except for Viola. So what's left to do other than wait for them to bring everyone back? ...if they even do at all.

[@dylanlynch9859]

I have two main criticisms with Bayonetta 3, one story related, one Gameplay related. The story one is that I don’t feel like they set up Bayonetta 3’s romance with Luka enough. Through most of the story, their relationship seems to be mostly similar to how it was in Bayonetta 1 and 2, with Luka flirting with her and her not taking it very seriously, then in the second to last chapter she’s all of a sudden acting like he’s the love of her life. I don’t mind her and Luka getting together, but I do still feel like it came a little bit out of nowhere, which I feel like can be fixed by adjusting dialogue in like the conversation in Chaoter 4 or 5 to be more romantically charged on Bayonetta’ end. The gameplay one is that I feel like the levels were made much larger, but the amount of things you can find from exploring them didn’t increase much in tandem, and so it less feels like rewarding exploration and instead just walking around in giant rooms of nothing praying that there’s some sort of goodie in there. I do have a minor niggle in the lack of Nintendo costumes just cause I feel like that was a fun little feature in Bayonetta 2 and the Wii U and Switch ports of Bayonetta 1, but that’s less consequential to the game being good or bad.

[@astaricn]

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