How to Develop the Se Inferior Function for the INFJ (& INTJ)

[@jespermartensson5009]

Just thinking about developing my Se makes my Ni go nuts and I end up spending hours pondering how to go about it and how it would affect me, my life, those around me and their lives. I usually end up thinking of the everything/existence or the concept of "nothing" after a while though.

[@scott.morgan]

Cool, Ni analyzing Se +Jesper Martensson (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :)

[@cybertron1000s]

This is how you develop Si, learning to appreciate the aesthetics of your sensory information. If you want to develop Se, have a bit of ambition. Go outside and do something, do wood working, garden, bike, do art, learn marital arts, do something risky and adventurous, Se, like Ne, is a creative function after all. Stop trying to make Ni anticipate all the potnetial outcomes you should think ahead to avoid, and just adapt and deal with it. This is of course, a starter, overtime you should learn to balance Ni and Se along with your own natural instincts. "Clean your room." - Jordan Peterson

[@preciousgoje2193]

Yes, I was in the military and this developed my Se. With the army things change and you have to use what you have around to become creative. This helped me a lot.

[@neththom999]

"I'm going to be completely present and completely aware of everything that's going on around me... this can be very exhausting" I have experienced this first hand. Got really into mindfulness for the past 2 years. Although I have benefited from it nowadays I tend not to put so much emphasis on it because it's draining.

[@scott.morgan]

Interesting +neththom999 . I would call mindfulness a kind of gentle observing, as a apposed to more deliberate conscious Se noticing. If that makes any sense. One is more passive while the other is more active. (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :)

[@shethewriter]

I've found that developing the Se with some easy and fun things to do that involve Ni is best: like art journaling, doodling, organizing books or something you care about. Also, don't over think sensory experiences. Trust yourself to be able to get through them and get whatever you need from it. I feel like we put pressure on ourselves to do sensory things in the "right" way.

[@KhristinaKills]

Cleaning!...With music and cookies!

[@kaleidojess]

Lol, that actually sounds fun!

[@scott.morgan]

Me too! +Kris Carl (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :)

[@jourdans9348]

Yes!! I go nuts if I try to clean without music. Overwhelmed, burdened, and obsessive about dirt I JUST realized was there. And there. And there. Here too? How could I have ignored this grossness?! It's funny how often I forget that simple trick... Find a meaningful song that inspires curiosity, and just let it repeat. Bam. Done. Almost.... :)

[@scott.morgan]

Absolutely about the dust. Suddenly it is everywhere once you start.

[@zidanethalib]

Great idea. Thaks

[@rory8585]

As an INFJ, paying attention to my sensory world is fleeting. I only occasionally glimpse Se. Focused on my subconscious , I hear people's names, but I don't spend any time remembering them. Spending more time introverting, and not generally focused on people, I rarely remember people's faces; during my 20th high school reunion I remembered "nobody." Trying to remember a Proper Name while discussing something in conversation is often a struggle and makes communication difficult. I marvel at people's ability to talk about measurement down to the nearest eighth inch. I sound utterly ridiculous using terms like '2 by 4.' It's so not me! The other day I went out on a boat in the hot sun, and I forgot to bring suntan lotion. How many times have I forgotten to bring suntan lotion! When I'm packing to go travel, I'm always light on paying attention to what clothes to bring, but I always have all my books, hobbies, and interests. I'm not a natural cook with a feel for preparing delicious concoctions, like SPs..... I habitually forget to taste my cooking when preparing food. Tending to use recipes rather than the heart, while I'm pouring the salad dressing, if other people are going to eat it with me, I wonder as an after thought whether I've salted it enough or made it too tart. Listening to lectures in school was an utter waste of time. I heard nothing and could recall nothing. I always thought it was because I had a learning disability, but perhaps it was just Inferior Se. Although I was one of the first people in first grade to learn to read and one of the better ones at it, I needed help with remedial reading and comprehension later in life. If I'm in a very serene place in my mind, I can be in a noisy room and not hear any of what is going on around me. Chaos and loud sounds overwhelm me. I hate going fast in a car and especially following too closely behind one/tailgating.

[@scott.morgan]

Relate 100%.

[@sirphil13]

There's a PUA trick on remembering someone's name; after chatting for a bit just say "what is your name again?" 99% they will give you their first name. Then reply " ("duh") I know that, I meant your last name."

[@danihaiden890]

Exercise and sports . It helps me get out of my endless thoughts

[@NavesNiche]

I was at the theme park today on the rollercoaster, and it forced me to be SE. In a couple of minutes I became an SE expert.

[@jenb7419]

Art! It has saved me.

[@RubiconXing]

Hilariously accurate. I'm a visual artist who is almost entirely stimulated by my Ni (and motivated by Fe). Drawing/painting from life has occasionally helped me get in touch with Se -- as have certain drugs like cannabis, coffee and cigarette breaks -- but generally I still spend a majority of my time completely ignoring Se. Then, as you said, I have an "Se" crisis which I'm unable to cope with... running around in my own mind and exhausting myself. Ti also tends to take over. But I remain unproductive, unless I trust my Fe. Usually my Fe gets me out of the procrastination funk -- I trust that the activity will also stimulate more Ni, so I use that seductive notion. Telling myself Se things "need to be done" rarely makes me get up and do them, even when I have this burning J itch/guilt/panic. I ultimately need to be convinced at some emotional (or moral) level.

[@scott.morgan]

Thanks for the comment. How does your Fe help you get out of a procrastination space?

[@RubiconXing]

I have a difficult time separating my Ni and Fe -- perhaps this is just the nature of my lifestyle, since I’m constantly materializing Ni thoughts. I feel as if I’m trying to “work backwards” by stimulating Fe: finding something to be angry about, finding someone or some idea to LOVE, finding a universal necessity or sense of justice through my work -- consciously I know that it’s a trick. But it doesn’t matter; tricks don’t exist in the domain of logic. The payoff is that it gives direction to Ni, direction which could be grounded in more of a reality (or less of purely MY reality). I often can’t get through writing basic ‘business’ e-mails or other Se-related chores without making it sound like Ni poetry or riddles. I suppose I’m trying to connect my Fe to my Se, since the only thing that *might* get me out of the house is Fe. An example of this is wearing very outlandish clothing and occasionally being wildly/inappropriately exhibitionist in public-- I can truly sense Se when I get reactions from people. I often can’t tell what’s socially appropriate unless I can actually *see it* in an extreme way. That’s how Fe can ‘ground me’ (which is completely different from Ne -- I feel that in many ways, INFPs are more grounded... Ne knows when it's breaking rules).

[@scott.morgan]

Very interesting perspective and experience.

[@zidanethalib]

@@RubiconXing Great bro. Well written. Very interesting way to get in touch with Se.

[@StealBackYourHeart]

I found: a 10 minute 'artist' Walk (most days) where I consciously experience nature, sights, sounds, smells, textures and getting in touch with my body and what it might be 'telling' me... makes everything more meaningful.

[@RoseCottageQuail]

Hi, I just watched this video, and found the description of the exercise at the end ( plan a event or Se experience and then do it WITHOUT trying to "exercise" your Se) brought to mind some instances where I did NOT enjoy myself at an event because someone else ( in retrospect likely a sensor type person) kept drawing my attention to all the little details of what was happening, and kept me from actually just "absorbing" the moment or the experience. Over the course of my life, I tend to shy away from these types of people because I find them jarring and disruptive to my enjoyment. It just feels like one big constant interruption. I realize that "jarring and disruptive" might be seen as quite strong adjectives to some people, and they would not understand why I find it so. Very difficult to explain to sensors, it seems. If we ( INFJ's) can find a person that does NOT "ruin the experience" by constant comment, too much talking, too much focus on the sensory details of the moment, I think we tend to gravitate towards that person. I usually only travel with introverts. Extroverts tend to be WAY to chatty, too high energy, and I am exhausted before we even get where we are going. Thanks for the explanation and analysis of what is going on behind the scenes.

[@scott.morgan]

You're welcome +Karen Traa

[@tombain5665]

Thank you Annie, You just gave me an incredible insight into why I had a "jarring" experience with a lovely Extrovert NFP last weekend. Her continuous in the moment commentary of every existential feature and moment completely drained me and I couldn't just "be" and enjoy the beauty of the surroundings, my way. Thank you. We have gone our separate ways unfortunately and

[@INFPJannekeNL]

I think I might be in that SE crisis right now! I recently moved and all those boxes standing in my house can really give me this slight feeling of panic, up to were I have been really concerned of what is happening to me. So thanks for the video. I'm am goning to try this.

[@sunonleaves]

Awesome video! My family and friends are so puzzled about why it takes me 4 hours to go to the grocery store with my shopping list (I come back having also been to the drug store, gas station, post office and a dress shop with everything on all of my lists all done). I become "possessed" by Se. Your plan to integrate Se as well as your presentation are insightful, engaging, imaginative and brilliant -- all INFJ blessing... Your new INFJ subscriber!

[@scott.morgan]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for the positive feedback. Much appreciated.

[@M_Emeritz]

It's 2pm, I'm having lunch, and you described my day perfectly so far. Hehe. Thank you for sharing this, sir. I'm taking notes, and hopefully I'll have a more productive afternoon. I've often said, If only I could plug a cable into my brain, I would accomplish so much more. It seems like most of the time I'm more concerned with building up the perfect mental image of the completed task at hand. It's like making a stew. I take little abstract intuitive bits, mix them around with values and concepts and other more objective constructs. Then eventually I'll arrive at an "Ahh!" moment, and go, "That's it! Excellent!" And I've created a mental stew that would be brilliant to execute. However... now that intuitive abstract concept has been made concrete. Unwittingly, I've got all I needed from it, and now it goes into my "spice rack" as a new ingredient to play with in yet another intuitive exercise of extrapolating possibilities. lol. Repeat repeat repeat on most days. It's also very easy for me to explain the final state of my "master plans" in great detail, with an excited and enthusiastic attitude, but, when asked to explain the plan on how to get from start to finish, it's difficult for me to come up with an actual plan. This is especially difficult since I often over and underestimate time to an extreme degree. A lot of the time I feel like much more can be accomplished than is ever reasonable. I have, on occasion, been able to finish certain complex projects, but it's only ever been at my own pace, and always in very sporadic chunks. However, i've never been wholly satisfied with any completed project. I've also heard I may struggle more because I am so passionately obsessed with creating art (Se), which some believe is essentially jumping the stack. I can definitely relate to that, but it's been my best means to express and understand my own emotions throughout my entire life, so it feels worth the negative aspects for that connection to something that I otherwise have a great deal of difficulty with. Apologies... I've become lost in a spiraling train of thoughts. I'm going to rewatch this and take some notes as I'd mentioned, because obviously I am having "one of those days" where I am completely in my head. I need to get out of there and get some work done here in reality. hahaha... Again thank you. I'm leaving this, because you make a great deal of helpful videos, and perhaps this inspires some sort of angle or topic that might be useful to you. ~Cheers

[@scott.morgan]

Gday +Mike Emeritz , thanks for your train of thoughts and encouragement. I relate to your concepts of time. For me, I might see a task and say to myself "Ill get that done before lunch", and then the task stimulates the Ni leading to other thoughts and ideas which creates extra tasks and so on until it is midnight and I finally finish.

[@petra3754]

Hahaha.. I just related to the things about infjs thinking long about something then all of a sudden getting a need to get everything done immediately and it gets really overwhelming not knowing what to do first or thinkining about how I might not get anything done in time. It feels really frustrating. But I learned how to cope with that. The best thing is just to do what needs to be done without thinking why.

[@sirphil13]

My primary "Se" mode is being naturally curious. Going to a new venue, I like to explore it (getting the bigger picture - INFJ's wander-lusting)) for two reasons: 1st is to find little treasures in art displays and/or admiring the architecture or stumbling on a private lil exclusive bar tucked away somewhere. 2nd is to add a new landscape for my dream-states to experience. My secondary "Se" mode that I fully engage and exercise in my "Se" function is to find and date an ENTP woman (they usually find me) that likes to expand my comfort zone by exploring new things out in the city in a way that isn't too pushy and they make it fun too. ENTP girlfriends helped in me gaining tons of sigma points. Which brings me to my third "Se" mode: intimacy. Having a meal and/or sex with a woman engages in all five of my senses simultaneously. As a bonus that comes from my self awareness (became easier once I discovered and developed my "Observing Ego" - which is key in maturing the INFJ's "Se" function), when I notice I'm stuck in my INFJ's "Ni-Ti" loop, I force myself to engage in my "Se"by going outside to do something, a walk, going inside the local thrift shop, to commune with nature...or my favorite - I prefer e-bike riding down at the beach, riding a bike in traffic forces me to be in real time, paying attention to the road...so it breaks me out of my loop, and I tend to find a solution that I can focus on rather than just the problem by the time I get back home.

[@exoizlyfe6079]

Same. I always bike, run, explore new places, etc when I want to engage with Se but anxiety can make it hard

[@shelbynicholson4811]

It's important to like the task you choose to develop SE. A cooking course, for instance, would be enjoyable. Going to the beach to bake in the hot sun, not so much.....

[@travelinghermit]

We need a DIY Jungian deep psychology for dummies book. I can hardly wrap my head around this stuff. At the same time, it resonates, predicts, and describes damn near every aspect of my daily foolishness.

[@scott.morgan]

lol

[@TheFirstOnlyRealUltra]

@@scott.morgan 🤣🤣🤣👍👍😂

[@laurenwinters6897]

Improv class forces me to be 100% present and have fun. I have to completely engulfed or else the scenes fall apart. And it's fun.

[@adamsmith4195]

One word Ni-doms: mindfulness.

[@kayliaxbaylia]

Thank you so much! I love your videos. All of your insights and analyses are SPOT ON for me.

[@scott.morgan]

kayliaxbaylia you're welcome!

[@coraljade7778]

I agree - you just need to practice using the se function subconsciously and experience the 5 senses.

[@scott.morgan]

Indeed +Coral Wilkinson

[@jawsfan9126]

I'm not sure if I ever met an INFJ personally, but I really love and value the relationships I've made with several SPs. I admire how athletic and energetic they are. I need to put forth a lot of effort before I see results in my own physical ability (performance, endurance, agility, etc.). Similarly, the NJs I've met often help guide me through depth and vision in my life's path. They are very helpful and our sense of humor is usually spot on with each other. It's refreshing to make off-beat jokes with somebody that enjoys it, too. When I played soccer as a young boy, I often had hunches of what would happen in the game and was able to act on them. That was a lot of fun. I plan on playing soccer again eventually.

[@scott.morgan]

Thanks for sharing +Josh the Mouse

[@miystran]

Thank you for making and sharing this video, for your audience to learn from and to try out some new ideas :] Your video reminded me of a tool/exercise I learned about from working with therapists and clients. It is the 5-4-3-2-1 grounding exercise (do you already know of this?), which is something we can do at any time. It's meant to bring us into the moment when we're overthinking/future-tripping/went too far into our heads/just want to notice the world and be/feel present. How it works is, you pick a sense you want to focus on (e.g., sight), and then you see & notice 5 things in your environment using your sense of vision. Then you pick another sense (e.g., touch or hearing) and 4 things that you are feeling/touching or hearing in this moment. Etc.. Etc.. I've found that going from 5 to 1 takes too long for me, so sometimes I even just choose 1 sense and just spend even like, 1 minute noticing my surroundings. That is all! Thanks again!

[@Watulukinahuh]

This is really introspective, thanks for sharing your break down!!! :))) ~learning infj lol

[@ChantelStays]

I feel like parenting has put into this “p” function and overdrive of Se. you explained this perfectly

[@alaysiakayebutler6299]

Scott, I know it's said all day, and although I'd like to be original in how I communicate (since I've never fit in, which would have been nice imo, I at least try to stand out ..but even that's not always recieved well.. or nice..sigh.) But I'm better off keeping it simple, so , just want to tell you how good at this you are!! And thank you. Your insights, humility and compassion are countering a LOT of negating of my spirit, by those benefitting, by my closest humans. And I'm just allowing what I don't know abt this existence processing function, to filter in.. I know that often, as you share a concept I hear myself either finish the thought before you finish saying it ( cuz, I know right!) Or I will follow a statement or answer a query you've made in my head (although I do speak ideas aloud when excited..lol) and then I hear you say that point .. It is soooo helpful. I am ganged up on, not just feel like it. In fact I disassociate most of the time to deal with it and when I pull my head out of the sand or clouds it gets slapped so I have to constantly realign my senses.. You are a godsend. If I don't have understanding then ill jump on that bandwagon against my will and best interest. That's crappy and I don't approve but its true, ime.. So thank you..bless your heart

[@JBraden]

Great video, thank you! I'm an INTJ who is very into my reading, writing, research and art. I seem to cycle back to reading about Myers-Briggs every few years. I recently took a 'day job' at a busy restaurant and bar, waiting tables. I often feel I'm the most introverted person on staff, and am more introverted than most of the customers as well. There's also usually lots of noise from piped music and sports games shown on the big screen tvs in the restaurant. I enjoy it for the most part - it is challenging at time but I like a challenge and the chance to stretch and grow... i've noticed though that for my own confidence I have to focus first on the things i'm good at, then think about branching out toward being more outgoing, which I think falls right in line with the topic of this video. I find I can 'force myself' to be outgoing, to use Se in short bursts, but it is exhausting to try to do it very long or very often. Have any other INFJs reading worked in very loud, extrovert-oriented jobs, and what did you to adapt to the setting? Thanks - !

[@scott.morgan]

Gday +Particulate Wave (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :) I had a very similar experience in my early 20's working a second job as a waiter at an Indian restaurant. Being younger (and needing the money), I just focuses on the job. Looking back I think I naturally used Fe in the job to make such people were happy to get the job done. Glad I'm not doing it anymore however. Loved the butter chicken.

[@jeannined7532]

I must use earplugs when in a loud environment. I still can hear people talk, but the crashing, clanging sounds are muffled. Loud environments overwhelm me

[@DebbieHollandNZ]

Great post thank you x I was told I needed to develop my Se but just didn't have a clue how - your video made it so much easier.....off now to practice my homework :D

[@ToucanTorte]

I love this, great idea not directly engaging Se. Thank you.

[@MissAnonymous21x]

Thank you this is really helpful and a good exercise. My kids keep me in the moment quite a bit, I try to spend time on my creative interests and hobbies, when I clean I like to have incense going that also kinda helps to pull me out of my head, being mindful and staying in the moment is a regular thought of mine to do cause it helps with my anxiety and grounding, listening to music and actually taking in all the sounds and lyrics but still feeling is kinda good too but I'm prone to drifting and getting stuck in my head so songs with lyrics I can sing along to helps. Using Se with something I'm not interested in is so hard and draining.

[@Pyropandaification]

I just got the Se crisis :3

[@stephenfrey3793]

Nice tips, thanks. Personally, I find that I had been confusing the simulation of sensory with sensory. It was like my Ni was hijacking the moment by giving myself an experience that seemed desirable and because its familiarity made it all the more enjoyably paletteable, I was lured into a false sense, literally, of exploration. I really had to let go and be willing to do Se badly before I could begin to comprehend it more. As I was starting to do more Se, I thought, "if I'm doing it badly and it feels clumsy, then I'm probably doing it right."

[@ravenbelote1801]

Can the Se overwhelm the INFJ to the point of shutting down for awhile? Can it cause them to not feel as much enthusiam about projects for awhile, and they will even avoid a certain project, for awhile, if they know it's causing them all the frustration, and overwhelm?

[@RommyFallas]

This has been very useful 🙏🙏

[@loladogs]

beautiful. thank you for your work

[@wonderfulwinnie]

Every day mundane tasks like grocery shopping, cooking, washing dishes, laundry, cleaning floor, I find energy draining. I just want to retreat to my Ni world....any video on '' how to do housework for INFJs who don't have money to hire a maid...'' ? (well, just kidding :P)

[@scott.morgan]

:) +Winnie Poon

[@curlsgonewild5854]

+Winnie Poon I find a lot of peace in cleaning, it took a long time to get there. One thing that helped was not focusing on the task or what I'm doing because its just basically muscle memory, but really using that time to sift through what is going on in my internal world. I can scrub a little harder when agitated or kind of feel whimsical as I dust when I'm content. And at the end, I have a clean house and my thoughts organized which makes me feel a great sense of accomplishment and then I have no pressures or mundane tasks dragging me down and I can do whatever makes me happy. So maybe, use the time to clean your thoughts? Lol....I'm an idiot.

[@emris2697]

This was posted the day before my birthday. This is fate.

[@SuperCuriouss]

Lol.. such an Ni approach with 15 actions.. i have 1.. covers sight, sound, smell, touch, taste... Get out in nature, walk with a coffee or your favourite snack.

[@ChantelStays]

SSuperCuriouss agreed

[@wonderfulwinnie]

Thank you. I was just thinking how to develop Se . I will try and see. :)

[@scott.morgan]

That's great. Hope it works for you. +Winnie Poon

[@finaltuned3262]

This whole 'Se inferior' thing is not an accurate measurement of true typology. It is a perceiving function like the INTJs Ni, only it is their extroverted perceiving function. We had Keirsianism in the temperament sorter which has an antiquated view of cognitive function descriptions such as Dominant, Auxiliary and Tertiary with the fourth only described in an unhealthy state ect, though still has relevant merit in the context of temperament, which ultimately derives from Plato. Now C. S. Joseph comes forward with a more up to date emerging standard of the cognitive functions themselves. His listed conscious descriptions are thus ~ INTJ (Ego) ----------------- 1. Ni - Hero ~ Willpower 2. Te - Parent ~ Rationale 3. Fi - Child ~ Morals 4. Se - Aspiration ~ Physics Cognitive functions should always be the primary denominator of typology, it emphasising a core to outer individuation model as opposed to the Keirsian model which emphasises an outer to core collectivist model. The functions manifest as follows within the three other quadrant sides; INTJ Unconscious/Shadow (ENTP) ------------------------------------------------------- Ne - Nemesis Ti - Critic Fe - Trickster Si - Demon INTJ Subconscious (ESFP) ------------------------------------------ Se - Physics Fi - Morality Te - Rationale Ni - Willpower INTJ Superego (ISFJ) -------------------------------- Si - Past/Duty Fe - Ethics Ti - Logic Ne - Metaphysics. In the context of INTJ combined consciousness specifically I'd go even further with. 1. Dream ~ Ni 2. Drive ~ Te 3. Ring ~ Fi 4. System ~ Se (Extreme elaboration). The INTJ is renowned for being 'super fast' because their Te and Se process and manifest outwardly as their two conscious extraverted functions within their ego quadrant. But also their shadow (unconscious) and subconscious are all also 'movement' types along with their ego type, making them what's known as a 'triple movement' type as the video variation - 'Who are the INTJs' highlights. *Ref: @25:40 & @9:00 ~ m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoGvq5WJrrZkZrc An ESTP describing INTJs Se ~ m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iniacqqsp86BrsU

[@jakeasimms]

Great video. Very helpful

[@zurilac16]

Grest topic. Helpful video...would like more examples of how to engage...

[@scott.morgan]

Glad you found it helpful +Zuri Egbuji (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :)

[@mawarsetangkaipadi]

Love the reading..thank you

[@cass8330]

I've trouble with creating structure in my life... How does Se work into it? Is it best if I just live by myself? That way I have more control over my surroundings. I don't do well with constant decisions and transitions activity modes, if that makes sense. I'm definitely INFJ but I also have ADHD and am autistic, only I struggle with planning because I usually try to overcompensate.. and I struggle with everyday functioning basically and have no structure in my house which is something I need badly.. I'm a failure to launch INFJ and I very much don't want to be a counsellor because I don't want to hear people's problems all day, I don't think I could take certain types of ppl as it'd be triggering and I might end up in prison for murdering them lol.

[@wednesdayrain1907]

I don't get it. That probably tells you how weak my ti & se functions are. 😣

[@kr-ru5dm]

I do this and you're right if I do Se things directly not in a relaxed way but say at my job, Im all stresed and drained. I think this is what happened to me in my last work field where Se and Si was an unspoken requirement and the good fit person for the role. I ended overburnt and needing to change my area after 4 years. It was mentally awful and I stayed too long in it. Now I just do hobbies around the 5 senses and love experiencing things with my senses and I need to do it intentionally or my Ni makes me forget about it, and then when that happens that Im not intentionally having Se experiences in a relaxed and healthy way, I will start using Se in unhealthy ways (since its my inferior) like under eating or over eating, blasting music out or not hearing any music, overshopping, tv binge watching, only to feel like a wreck during and after. It's not pleasant. The solution for me is to never ignore taking time into doing Se things or hobbies by myself and with my hubby, who also has inferior Se as INTJ. ;D

[@rolinapainter8874]

What happens when an INFJ becomes an artist. I’m a singer. I make cards, tried calligraphy. What about sports? Or hiking?

[@multiforc271]

Thanks you very much ! you describe my problems completely, as a n intj, the se part is my problem right now, and i see my self doing in downhill ! drastically! which i am very very worried about my health.... ( if i continue this trend, i might end taking my own l... ) right now i have determined the problem thank to you. next step is to find a way to attack it. but i don't think the finger approach is the first solution in my case, if you know other methods or other video, in this regard, please share

[@amaris3767]

This is a great video, although I just realized my forehead has been crinkled with though from about 2 minutes in. So, I've been learning about the types for a little over a year. When I learned about Ni, a light bulb clicked on. I want to continue developing that part of me because I totally understand it. I don't think I understand Se. Is it inferior in the way I really want to enjoy a concert while it's happening, but actually find I enjoy the anticipation leading up to the moment more? Or enjoy recounting the event later? I really admire people who can just sit still and enjoy what's happening and would like to get to that place myself. Open to advice. 😊

[@Eusebeia7]

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh (5 senses) do mind the things of the flesh (body); but they that are after the Spirit (mind, consciousness) the things of the Spirit (mind, consciousness). Romans 8:6 For to be carnally (5 senses) minded is death (separation from God like Adam); but to be spiritually(mind consciousness intellect like God) minded is life (Zoe, life together with God) and peace (with God, no nagging or sadistic super-ego problem like narcissists have). Do an internet search on "sadistic super-ego" to see what character disordered people such as narcissists have to endure.

[@dianejazlyn]

as an INFJ, here's my function order at the moment: Ni Te Ti Fe Si Ne Fi Se This means I have overdeveloped Thinking function and somewhat disregarded Fe and suppressed Se. I blame the school. I blame my interest in science and wanting to excel in it to the point that I try to consciously think and me dropping art. Help ): can I also just say, that was pretty hard list to make.

[@scott.morgan]

+Diane Galinato (I finally have time now to read comments and respond :) I am interested how what you said turned out for you? From reading your post I would think you would be stressed and your mind overly stimulated? Hope your studies all worked out for you. :)

[@D2SProductions]

To me the relationship between Ni and Se, and I'm an INTJ mind you; I find that my Se seems to be on, "autopilot," as an inferior function, but without it the Ni wouldn't have any input for the Ni to work because the Ni recognizes and processes the patterns picked up by the Se, so the inferior Se function fuels the dominant Ni function. But the issue that I have is in business and sales. I know that I have a hard time with sales / marketing, and from what I've seen from a pervious video by someone else that is due to having such poorly developed Se. For an INTJ I know that typically we aren't supposed to be very good with communication, but I've been told I have really good communications skills, but I think that has more to do with other things i.e. astrology, if you believe in that sort of thing because 9 of the 12 celestial bodies were in Aquarius at the time of my birth, so I'm not just Aquarius due to the typical rising sign, I'm extremely Aquarius as 9/12 celestial bodies were in Aquarius at my time of birth, and I can see that being that Aquarius governs science and communications. But regardless of the communications skills I possess I still have extreme difficulty with sales and marketing, which is something I desperately need to over come because it's really difficult to have a business and keep it running if you can't get clients frequently enough to keep the business running. Let me know what you think, what do you think would help with the sales and marketing issues?

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

Wah! I'm extremely Aquaruius as well :)

[@orionatlantai3944]

Pass. I'd rather ignore these two functions since they have caused nothing but pain and agony for the first half of my life. I'm sure these two inferior functions contributed to a lot of burned bridges, missed opportunities and general displays of ignorance and lack of moderation. Good riddance Fi and Se. Welcome home Ni, and Te.

[@CliffGaribay]

No, it doesn't work that way. You can't just choose to ignore your inferior functions. They'll always be a part of you for the rest of your life. Best you can do is learn to manage them so they don't get you into further trouble or pain. That's why this video is so useful to me as an INTJ.

[@Pyropandaification]

You are missing the point of self help my man. The past can't be repeated. It is dead. Just get on with it, and better yourself.

[@yeghor]

Hello. If you are still active, I'm almost 36 and I've started noticing flirtation signs given by women around me, something I guess I was oblivious to before. Could this be my inferior Se? Sometimes I force myself to use those signs to engage those women though still fail but I guess it's a trial and error learning process. Also I am taking little steps to get on rides on theme parks to increase my Se threshold. Also I've been working out for the last 3 years and recently started a running regimen that will hopefully increase my sustained running speed. Also I've started color coordinating my clothing though I wonder whether that has something to do with Fi.

[@scott.morgan]

+yeghor Hi Yeghor, It very well could be your Se, however it may also be due to the other aspects of life you are focusing on (fitness, adventure and clothing style etc) that could be leading to women noticing you more (even though those activities are also Se related), causing you to become more aware of the attention. Just a thought.

[@linfernale9282]

Thank you !!

[@lucasbatista2117]

1. Tase - grape - water - egg 2. Touch - water - clothes - cat 3. Sound - drums - bird - waterfall 4. Smell - perfume - earth - girlfriend hair - hard to not think about the meaning here hahaha 5. Sight - city lights - horyzon - sky and clouds

[@Ignasimp]

I don't understand the exercise. What does "do them" mean? What are we supposed to do with the senses? Would someone who doesn't have Se as one of their functions benefit from this in any way?

[@jeffbenefield6039]

Aren't you pretty much describing how when infj's in certain situations start using their shadow functions? Or is this some completely different concept?

[@scott.morgan]

Jeff Benefield Yeah, I am talking about the INFJ's "In the Grip" reaction to their Se inferior function.

[@maverick.tough23]

Listen in many places it is impossible to develop the inferior function. Then they are mistaken?

[@maninw]

emergence or MBTI better? In what way?

[@bianca-stefanasofronie3698]

4:54

[@meinungabundance7696]

One of the imprtant task for an INFJ is also to develop his/her Thinking function! This is not so easy. To think topics through is not a strength of an F-Type. Feeling types also dont like to think about something which is unpleasant!

[@peterwiggett8197]

go outside and do the sensory bullshit. ugh