How to Edit Midi Piano Sustain Pedal - Tutorial

[@HeyItsKora]

for me the option wasn't there in the "view" menu of the piano roll, but I figured out a way of doing it just based off my own knowledge. In the piano roll of the track that you want to edit the sustain on, hit A on your keyboard which brings up the automation view, then in the drop down menu on the left which allows you to select what you want to automate, look for sustain. For me it was "Ch 16: Sustain".

[@helpfulmargot]

thanks!

[@underlinedluke]

Thank you! That helped me a lot.

[@jonathanveenker6981]

I don't see "MIDI Draw" when I pull down the "View" menu

[@pecke86]

great. good stuff ! love this short video ! totally agree, I loved the gap you integrated there !

[@brocherdjuls282]

Thank you very much for this tip. Very useful

[@josephred9319]

Thank you for this my friend, my piano was sounding very swampy with this mix.

[@nujaz]

I just cant thank you enough for this!! What a life saver!!!

[@marcosmaldonado7890]

for anyone using Ableton Live 10. To control the sustain pedal open the envelopes inside the piano roll, then select midi controller and option 64 is the sustain pedal. When you click it you will see the envelope similar to the automation in Live, it work the same. If you recorded with a sustain pedal, then it should appear there

[@MusicSequencing]

Thanks for letting us know!!

[@3hooks781]

Saved me so much time!!! Thank you so much!!!

[@MusicSequencing]

Glad it helped!

[@maxguo5803]

Concise and clear!

[@LBJ314]

I couldn't find the sustain pedal events but after carefully looking at my screen they were there right under the piano roll. :) The color was so light I didn't realize I was looking at the sustain events. Now, I just need to know how to change the color. In Cakewalk, I can't find it. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

[@MrMitter]

Thanks for this man!!!!

[@lunamist1640]

Thank you so much man!!! This is what i actually wanted to learn!! I'm glad that after watching lots of stuff, i finally found this!!!! Cheers❤️

[@MusicSequencing]

Glad I could help!

[@dimarzio999]

is it possible to modify CC64 behavior turning it into a continuous controller? or at least to be able to "half pedal" ?

[@Raffelduffel]

Thanks for this clip. In my version (Logic Pro X 10.4.4 it doesn't show the pedal option in the piano roll on the one hand and it didn't show the option the command via the view menu (as you suggested it). Have you got an idea what could be the matter here? Also, when I open the piano roll editor it doesn't show that mixer button (which is in your version as well). Hm...

[@MusicSequencing]

Yeah Logic changed the look after the version this video was made in. To see it, press the 5th button over to the right on the top of the piano roll window (it looks like a chain, 3 lines with 2 circles), then when the automation view pops up, change it to sustain pedal as seen in the video 0:49 seconds. As for the other buttons, you want to go to the top left of the Screen then Logic Pro X -> Preferences -> Advanced Tools -> Show Advanced tools (and just turn on all of them). This will give you access to the full version of Logic, I'm not sure why they disabled them by default ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@darrenschoensee8005]

@@MusicSequencing THANK YOU

[@MarkWhiteartist]

@@MusicSequencing thank you had the same problem, don't know why those were off

[@sebastiandeases1139]

I'm having the same problem and I'm not seeing the sustain anywhere

[@gustavoerazo7803]

Thank you, really simple, to the point and accurate.

[@MusicSequencing]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bg321able]

Simple, clear explanation. Many thanks.

[@MusicSequencing]

Glad it was helpful!

[@nicknovakk]

THANK YOU, I can't believe it was this easy

[@MusicSequencing]

Glad it helped :)

[@Neuri]

Thanks dude

[@Jubinell]

Sweet and short. I liked this video! Now do you know how to draw a curve in the sustain pedal? Just like you, I can create individual points and drag them up or down, but that is not realistic pedal actions. When I record my MIDI I get very smooth curves and I want to draw them artificially inside Reaper's MIDI editor.

[@DianaMutombo]

Thanks from Paris In France for your good job👌👏 Thé problème that i have my : pédale not fonctioning only with Logic pro. What Can i Do ??

[@MusicSequencing]

I'm not sure, it could be that the piano isn't sending out midi from the pedal. It's hard to diagnose technical problems without being in the room :( sorry

[@chad969]

Is this tutorial compatible with the most recent logic update? I have logic pro x with a midi piano section highlighted and there is no icon that says "MIDI Draw" under 'View'. There is also no icon that says "sustain peddle" under 'controller' menu.

[@MusicSequencing]

They changed the interface a bit. Instead of clicking "View", you want to click a button two to the right of the view button that has two dots and 3 lines. That will but up the midi / track automation. Then it's pretty much the same from there. Hope that helps!

[@JacksonDreyer]

@@MusicSequencing THANK YOU

[@Hari-Harmonies]

I'm using cubase 13,struggling to find the function?

[@dopedrums]

this worked in Reaper too. Program 64 edits the sustain there as well. Much thanks!

[@christinataguinod5338]

How do you do it? :)

[@dariotamburro9800]

Sorry. I have a master keyboard and i want to send a sustain message to a first midi track but not at the second. For exsample i want to use a pedal sustain to a piano but no a string instrument in the same time. I can disabilitad a control changes in a midi preference but change evrywhere. Tank you

[@JoshVanDykMusic]

Thanks for posting this!

[@JoshVanDykMusic]

My version of Logic Pro X is not showing the option for MIDI Draw under the view tab though. Any suggestions or key command options?

[@MusicSequencing]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching :)

[@JoshVanDykMusic]

You're welcome, and I hope you're doing well.

[@MusicSequencing]

The update changed it I think. There's a button now, five from the right, it two nodes connected by three lines (in between the midi button and the one with an up and down arrow.) That brings up the midi draw now. When it pops up, press the arrow button next to the region part, it will take you to Note Velocity probably, you can click that and a menu will come up where you can get to sustain. Hope that makes sense

[@JoshVanDykMusic]

First off, thank you very much for taking the time out to respond like you did. I really appreciate it. I did actually find out how to get to it, but like I said, I really appreciate it. Keep up that sort of kindness and I wish you the best, my friend.

[@danielrosas231]

¡Thank you very much!

[@MusicSequencing]

You're welcome! :)

[@sercanavc8439]

Hey, thanks for the video. My sustain pedal operates with a binary logic (on/off) without any interval sensitivity. The midi value comes as either 0 or 127 as in this video. Normally when i play the piano i can easily fade out the sound by slowly lifting up the pedal, but in midi keyboard i always find myself editing the values in DAW. Is there any type of pedal or midi setting to generate interval values depending on the sensitivity of pressing the pedal?

[@MusicSequencing]

Hi Melih, this is a good question and highlights a limitation you might find using digital instruments. Most likely, this is something that you cannot adjust with regular midi pianos. It's not just a matter of editing the midi but the software controlling the piano samples needs to be programmed to respond to that midi (hope that makes sense). This "pedal fade sound" isn't something typically found built into piano samples in my experience. Sorry :(

[@Jubinell]

I think it is the problem with your keyboard OR your pedal. I use the CP88 with the provided sustain pedal by Yamaha and I get very smooth pedal curves in Reaper's MIDI Editor. You can check out one of my piano videos to hear the sound.

[@tilleyroadaffairproduction6752]

Can you also remove all the sustain?

[@MusicSequencing]

Yes! Just drag it all down to 0 (or up to 127) depending on how the instrument responds to midi (just test it out to see)

[@AndyU96]

Am I the only person who wants learn how to see which parts of a midi file have which pedals activated? I'm trying to learn a song, I have the midi file of it, but the song is a bit complex, I can't tell solely by my ears which parts have the soft pedal on or which parts have a sudden halfening of the sustain pedal :/ Will this software allow me to see that information?

[@MusicSequencing]

Hi Andy, midi control change (CC) 64 is sustain. Generally Midi CC 67 is the soft pedal. BUT if you are using Logic Pro you can also view the notation of the midi file which will show you just like regular sheet music.

[@TIGUFSUPMET]

My DAW has to have the sustain either 0 or 127, and this can be fiddly to draw in! I found a quick way to edit with midi transform - new parameter set, status control data byte 1 64; setting data byte 2 to =64 fix 127.

[@MusicSequencing]

Thanks so much for the tip Roger!

[@Mauricetz]

I see that its behavior it's such like binary (from Low to High), but may this take somehow continuous values between 0 and 127? I have seen midi events properties on midi.org and it seems not feasible :(

[@Mauricetz]

Ps: s0rry 4 my engli$h

[@MusicSequencing]

Yeah it is a midi control change so it does take continuous values. It is setup to have binary behavior though. Normally 64 - 127 is sustain on and 0 - 63 is sustain off. Hope that helps :)

[@honkymonkey9568]

I don't want to record, just plug and play. I use the website Pianu.com; but my sustain pedal doesn't work. Do you need software in order for it to work?

[@MusicSequencing]

It's probably not the software, maybe the sustain pedal isn't compatible with your piano. I know some yamaha pianos aren't even compatible with some of their own yamaha sustain pedals for example

[@moy_moy85]

My sustain randomly cuts out entirely once you pull the value down below 64 despite that not being the lowest point for sustain. Doing my absolute head in.

[@LuciferAether]

That's cool but isn't there way to enable the way the pedal was played when I recorded my MIDI file on my electric piano before exporting it to an USB to import it in FLstudio ? The MIDI file is played the way I played it with my sustain etc. but as soon as I put an instrument over it it negates my sustain .

[@MusicSequencing]

What might be happening is your keyboard is record it's sustain Midi Control Change on something other than 64. Or your software instrument doesn't use 64 for sustain. That being said, you might want to consider recording midi directly into FL Studio on the instrument track, it might fix your problem and you won't have to do importing and exporting.

[@LuciferAether]

@@MusicSequencing Yeah I thought about recording directly on to FLstudio but then does that mean all the pieces I have already recorder are hopeless ?

[@MusicSequencing]

@@LuciferAether I don't think they are hopeless. I would Import them into FL studio and then see if the Sustain Data was recorded on a different Midi Control Change. For example maybe your Keyboard recorded the sustain pedal on Midi CC 4 instead of 64 because Midi CC 4 is used for "Foot Controllers", you can read more here www.midi.org/specifications-old/item/table-3-control-change-messages-data-bytes-2 Then in FL studio, if you can find where your sustain pedal midi information was recorded, you can copy it over to CC64 and it should work with your software instrument. Otherwise you can either edit it in manually as shown in the video or record the sustain pedal on the same track you import on as it plays back (definitely quicker for players). In the future I would just record directly into FL studio. Hope that helps.

[@LuciferAether]

@@MusicSequencing I don't know if I'll manage to solve my problem but it definitely does help me for the future so thank you .

[@MusicSequencing]

@@LuciferAether :)

[@wulfman9484]

Is there a way to do sustain only on specific notes in a piano piece?

[@MusicSequencing]

Yes, you could drag the midi note of the specific note to make it longer :) The beauty in midi is you can change any note any way you want

[@guilhermemelo8941]

Muito bom!! Obrigado!!

[@JilleneLuce]

Hmmm this was 6 yrs ago, I have brand new update. Looks different

[@Markcgreer]

My real piano holds its volume longer when I hold the sustain pedal down, but these logic tones die off too early.

[@MusicSequencing]

Yeah, real pianos play better for sure but harder to record and edit. Everything is a trade off 🤷‍♂️

[@dimitri3706]

what is this logiciel please ?

[@MusicSequencing]

Logic Pro X is the digital audio workstation (DAW) that I'm using in this video. For a better explanation about DAWs watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/hajbZXZ7aLiHi68 Hope it helps :)

[@dimitri3706]

@@MusicSequencing thank you

[@helpfulmargot]

doesnt work in 2023. No option in the view menu

[@mint0.048]

what is the app name

[@MusicSequencing]

logic pro x

[@michaelkillebrew3114]

mine is displayed differently from every logic x ive seem.......horrible pplatform in certain ways

[@MusicSequencing]

Hey Micheal, they added a button since this video was made, it came up in there other comment thread, hope this helps " There's a button now, five from the right, it's two nodes connected by three lines (in between the midi button and the one with an up and down arrow.) That brings up the midi draw now."

[@MusicSequencing]

Oh and there is another thing that might be why your logic looks different, in the top left go Logic Pro X -> Preferences -> Advanced Tools... and make sure all the advanced tools are enabled

[@michaelkillebrew3114]

thankyou!! I was angry and in need to finish a product on a dead line. THANKYOU!! (i still havent tried it yet though)

[@MusicSequencing]

no problem :) i know the feeling, hope it all worked out

[@brothergoodfoot]

Thank you! What a nightmare, Geez. They change these things so often you can't even you can't even make a tutorial that will last a year.

[@ItsFinigan]

lake an subscraaaaa

[@poodlelord]

CC 64 is NOT universal sustain.

[@MusicSequencing]

The specs for MIDI are officially defined by the MIDI association. On their website you can find the list of what all MIDI Control Changes are defined for www.midi.org/specifications-old/item/table-3-control-change-messages-data-bytes-2 Just because CC 64 is explicitly defined for the sustain pedal doesn’t mean every developer will implement it to do so. Rarely it might happen, so technically you may be right. However, when this happens, it screws up compatibility and makes that specific device a big pain to try and figure out why the sustain isn’t working with the officially designated MIDI CC message for sustain...which is CC 64. So your comment might give some insight to people who have these ill developed devices. Thanks!