HOW TO Fix ALL Your ACRYLIC WET PALETTE issues!

[@andybillco2424]

Finally! Someone actually said metallics can’t go through the paper. Bravo.

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣👍🏼 yeah, that one always had me scratching my head…

[@Marconius6]

My understanding was always that it's not that it goes through the paper, it can just get into the water at the sides. Which can then maybe get into other paints, especially if you like to use the palette for getting water on your brush too... But it's such a small amount I really don't see how it would be an issue tbh

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@Marconius6 yeah, it’s much more likely the paint dilutes and runs into the water. You’re understanding is much better than most!! 👍🏼

[@christreedee]

DARK!!!! HERESY!!!!!!!!!!

[@TinkerConfig]

@@Marconius6 Here's me just rinsing my metallics into the same dirty ass paint water as every other color then using it for painting. I never notice an effect on the mini.

[@margelloyd59]

I've been using the Masterson Sta-Wet palette for a few months now and have had no issues whatsoever. I can use my paints for over a week -10 days without them drying out. All you have to do is follow the directions on how to prepare the palette and acrylic paper. Wet the sponge that comes with the palette, fold it in quarters and gently press out excess water, then place it in the palette. Soak the acrylic paper in extremely hot water for 15 minutes, shake off excess water, then place on the sponge in the palette, blot out excess water from the paper with paper towel and add your acrylic paint. When you are done painting for the day, just put the lid securely on the palette. Once you've completed your painting you can gently wash the paint off the acrylic paper and re-use it. I use a fresh sheet of acrylic paper every couple of weeks. I know of other artists who can use the same acrylic paper for up to a month. Buying this palette has saved so much paint and extra expense. The best purchase I've ever made.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I can’t disagree with you on any of these points. I’ll have to try the Materaon pallette for myself I think. 👍🏼

[@KarIiah]

The mold part with the Last of Us references got me cracking up. Very informative video, always heard everyone say "oh no, don't put metallics on it".... but yeah, your logic makes sense, never thought about the particle size in metallic paint.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yeah there’s so many myths floating round this hobby that just get repeated, rather than questioned. 👍🏼

[@sneakytanuki7189]

You have quickly become my favourite hobby channel, great video!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thank you! Now, if I could export that sentiment around the world I could hopefully help more people avoid all the frustrations I have in this hobby. 🤣

[@PhD777]

Re: mold - lightly spray hydrogen peroxide (the type used for first aid) on both sides of the sponge. This comes from an actual chemist; from Mrs. Masterson of Masterson Art; from years of using hydrogen peroxide on a wet palette and having no mold issues (had them prior to).

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thanks for that. Sounds ingenious and I love a bit of chemistry in the hobby. Most stuff we all use is chemistry anyway. 👍🏼

[@TheGoatPC]

OMG, the paper. It was driving me nuts why my paints were not acting like they were hydrophobic. Thank you!! saved me so much frustration.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yup, took me ages to figure this out

[@samuelbroad11]

For high fluid paints like contrast and also for my metallics I use beer bottle tops placed inside the wet palette down one edge. They stay perfectly reusable just like the paint on the paper and allows you to make washes and thinned down contrast paints with mediums so easily.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh that’s a very clever idea.!

[@samuelbroad11]

chur!@@thestateofplay2023

[@necalovescake]

ohh i like this tip, nice

[@JustDebz]

Say what? Do explain better please 🙏

[@bretts2356]

Great video! One thing that you can add that I learned from Lyla Mev about wet pallets- get 4 old pennies from 1982 or earlier (not sure if you chaps across the pond have copper coins readily available. Old pennies are copper...new ones are mostly nickle, I think) and assuming that you already put 4 under your sponge in the corners or copper wire like you said- and then put the 4 in the corners on TOP of your pallet paper. They weigh the paper down enough to keep the edges from rolling up over time and provide another layer of antimicrobial protection. Works great at keeping your pallet flatter!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Ah yes, old US pennies. We don’t have anything similar here in the U.K. sadly. Shame as it would make my wet palette feel like a treasure chest!

[@frankodonnell5247]

The only man brave enough to post about the negatives, fair play mate & as always a very useful video 🙂

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yeah, when I got into this hobby I wondered why no one ever bothered telling anyone about the things that don’t work. Oh well, my turn!

[@ikkiiiieee]

Glad you made a vid about this, I grew tired of arguing to people who paint with the same sheet for weeks

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣 You know people like that too. Surprising how some people just refuse to learn isn’t it.

[@mrs5850]

Remember us when you get to 100K and beyond. Another great video, definitely one of favourite hobby Channels already. Can’t wait for the next one

[@thestateofplay2023]

I do try to remember everyone Mr S. in fact I remember you well from my last hobby video. 😀

[@mrs5850]

@@thestateofplay2023 looking forward to the next one mate and wishing you all the success in the world

[@kainoctis7724]

Your mini wet pallets are adorable. I'll have you know my metallics borrow through the paper and into the sponge to form nests.

[@thestateofplay2023]

The mini wet pallettes were even better when filled with Sweet & Sour sauce! 😜

[@brendenconolly7161]

I’m so happy I found this channel! Just brilliant!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Cheers Brenden!!

[@necalovescake]

i have 3 of those ferrero rocher wet palettes on the go at all times 😆. i would modify that slightly tho, i think its better if you use 3 of those sponges, cut the 4th one up and layer it around the edges so the sponge surface takes up the entire box space, then put about 5 sheets of kitchen roll on top of the sponges making a complete coating. then put the baking paper on top of the kitchen roll surface. it holds wayyyyyy more water with 3 sponges so it will stay consistently wet far better than any of those brand made wet palettes and the kitchen roll will help slow/regulate the flow of water between the soaking sponges and the paper so you can have a small lake under there and it wont get too wet on the actual surface. i genuinely think a ferrero rocher wet palette like that is far better than any branded one ive tried. my ex had 3 different ones that were all pretty much the same but the sponge is too thin they dry out too quickly and when theyre wet theyre way too wet because the sponge is just floating on water, i thought they were all really sub par.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thanks for that!! Great tip!!

[@758richy]

It's been a real trip discovering that baking/parchment paper is BETTER than the paper that comes with a store-bought wet palette, even when it's a hobby paint company producing and selling those palettes. I have a 500ml plastic sauce squeeze bottle at my painting station which I use to top up my wet palette. It has a premixed solution of around 450ml water, 12ml of Liquitex Flow Aid, and 6ml of Cloudy Ammonia (20g/L strength). The Ammonia helps keep the pH slightly alkaline (as acrylic paints like to be on the alkaline side) as well as prevent any issues with mold from occurring. And the Flow Aid helps with the paint consistency (personal preference, though) and allows me to use metallics on the wet palette without too many of the usual metallics on a wet palette issues; they do still separate a bit after sitting around, but they're no harder to mix back together than any other acrylic paint on there and apply to the mini perfectly well.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thanks for that info. I love hearing about others peoples solutions!!

[@758richy]

@@thestateofplay2023 I have no idea if my ratios are optimal, but they seem to work well enough for me. Your channel is criminally underrated, I'll definitely be recommending it to people and checking out more of your videos!

[@asaffin1]

Great tips here. I was one of the fools who bought into both the "anti-fungal" and "everlasting" marketing spiels on the Redgrass palette. I left my palette sealed up with paint inside for a good few weeks, expecting it to at least be workable when I came back to it, but instead found it rife with mold. Now, when I know I'm finished with a session, I just leave the lid off and let it dry up. Reconstitute the sponge with fresh water and fresh paper next time.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yes, this! For long gaps between painting it’s easier to let it dry. I just cut my paper up into smaller pieces now and only put on the paint I need.

[@niallmurray1978]

Awesome pernickoty wet palette - saving plans and pointers to progress - kudos 👍

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thanks!

[@unodemuchos4570]

Great video explaining all cons and misunderstandings about wet palettes. Awesome explanation, amaizing structure and realization. You are now one of my top chanels. Thx for the effort. (edit) Will add to the material the old boxes to carry face masks on the pandemy. More small (the double one is like half of the ferrero box) but are more portable than the one you propose and also cheaper.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thank you! I tend to think of my videos as explaining things to a much younger ME. As if I could go back in time and tell myself. 🤣👍🏼

[@HacksawsHobbyBunker]

I feel sad that ICP in their song "Miracles" did not pose the musical question "Wet Palletes, how the @#$% do they work??". Cracking vid. Cheers!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Now that would be worth a Spotify subscription!

[@KedoCZ]

Great stuff, thanks. I use destilled water from my clothes dryer instead of pouring it down the sink. It's free, effortless and works just fine.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh! A clothes dryer makes dishwater? Amazing!

[@KedoCZ]

@@thestateofplay2023 not a dishwater, but destilled water... (edit: but I suppose you just miswrote) it evaporates trough application of heat and condenses in canister to be poured out (if your dryer isn't directly connected to waste plumbing). That's why water from dryer isn't good for watering flowers.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Ah yes, looks like I was autocorrected. Sorry! Thanks for the clarification!

[@StephenLeaSheppard]

Additional downside of (homemade) wet palettes: The problem I found with the homemade wet palette I started with is that if the paper doesn't sit perfectly flat on the sponge, then any spots without sponge contact will create a spot where the paper wrinkles (because part of it is wet and part is dry, and that creates tension within the paper fibers), and then the wrinkle stiffens (because paper that's been wetted and then dried out has a different pattern of fiber in, where the fiber draws together and becomes sort of cemented as pockets of water in it evaporate), and this causes the wrinkle to spread, which causes a larger discontinuity between paper and sponge, and which causes more wrinkles, which also stiffen, and then pretty soon I have a weird corrugated sheet of semi-stiff parchment paper that will not lie flat on the sponge and doesn't work as a paint palette at all. Switching to a dedicated wet palette with a single sponge fitted to lie flat inside it, and then making sure to cut my paper so it covers the sponge as completely as possible while lying completely flat on it, with no wrinkles and no overhang, fixed this issue. This is something to consider if you're making a homemade wet palette from e.g. one of those sandwich containers with the rounded edges and some kitchen sponge, as certain other youtube videos have recommended.

[@thestateofplay2023]

You are absolutely correct. And that was a well put together comment! Those wavy sponges you can buy don’t work so well. But the U.K. Sainbury’s sponges with the “square” pattern hold onto the paper a bit like suckers on an octopus. I’ve found more water helps so the paper is sitting on a layer of water rather than the sponge.

[@dougsundseth6904]

I have been using wet palettes for better than 20 years now and I have come to prefer paper towels (kitchen roll in the UK?) to sponges. They work just as well, and when the aliens start to invade the palette or the paper is covered, you can throw away everything at once. Then clean the wet palette thoroughly (I prefer to use the dishwasher) and start over with all new stuff. I also use a protractor (chosen because of its size and straight plastic edge, you could use anything that fits) to scrape the paper and make sure there are no bubbles between the baking parchment and "sponge". another advantage of this for me is that I use white paper towels so that I can see better what's actually on my palette than I could if I were to use something like Masterson's yellow sponge.

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@dougsundseth6904 great tips!!

[@SiegeTF]

Re: Mold - I've got a lamp with UV light, and natural light. When I'm done painting I switch to the UV setting and leave it shining on my palette. If there's some paint I'm stepping away from then I put a shot glass over the paint to keep it wet, then turn on the UV. The 'sponge' (I use cheesecloth style disposable wipes) lasts for months before it gets slimy. I think it's an Ottlite brand lamp. Oh, and well water is more active than city water. If you're on a well then boil, or use bottled or distilled (which is cheaper in my area anyway).

[@thestateofplay2023]

Sadly in the U.K. wells are mostly in Castles. And whilst I like my house, I’m can’t stretch to buying a castle. 🤣🤣

[@Pkbucket]

I just got a wet pallet and I was having trouble with thinning so I am diff going to try some of your suggestions! Also that Twitter comment cracked me up cause its 100percent true XD

[@thestateofplay2023]

Glad it will help! Yes, I avoid farcebook and twatter like the plague…

[@Celestial.Heather]

Very honest information. Thank you!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Glad it was helpful!

[@victoryspath4116]

Just came upon your channel recently. Fantastic content. Keep it up!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thank you! Much appreciated!!

[@samprastherabbit]

Just found your channel and I am steadily chewing through your backlog - great stuff! Really love the no nonsense approach and your presenting style. Also, hot damn does the production look slick AND your content is full of great tips. Keep up tje great work!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thank you! And welcome to the small but growing team!

[@patrickbonner9866]

Tip for curling baking paper - get both sides wet. work out the bubbles and dry off the top. Thanks to Miniac for that one.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I tend to prefer the patience method. The paper always curls back flat on its own….with patience. 🤣

[@Just_Kenneth_63]

just found your channel love it and sharing with my discord groups

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[@philgee486]

Awesome vid because of the use of intelligence, experience and common sense Stole my son's tear off tracing paper pad from "the works" and now I don't have to peer at baking paper in supermarkets, only to find they don't have any unwaxed. If I'm leaving the palette overnight it goes in the fridge, tipped about 20 degrees so the condensation runs down the lid and can't lurk waiting to drip. I use copper or brass wire/rod to stop mould and hit it with boiling water whenever I clean it. (Mine's microwavable tupperware so it has a lid vent) I don't mix washes on the palette, I get the hue right on the palette and then lift the mixed paint with a plastic palette knife and wash it into a small well palette for dilution. If I'm still using them then the well palette gets plastic wrapped and goes in the fridge too. (I always cover my well palettes with foil before I start so there's no cleaning up - I use a lot of oils too)

[@thestateofplay2023]

Phil. I think you didn’t need this video at all. You clearly have it all sorted! 😜

[@philgee486]

@@thestateofplay2023 Hey, an old fella that's always painted models (well 10yr break when I had a mind bending job and 6 kids) can only get things wrong for so long ;0)

[@philgee486]

Plus I steal good ideas shamelessly, as we speak I'm on Marco's live painting twitch stream, you should see the face and the hat on this model!

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@philgee486 ah I would but I had to put my kids to bed and then watch Star Trek. I’ll have to catch his upload. These guys all stream at kids bedtime!!

[@joycekowbelharvey4816]

Thanks so much for your video. So informative!

[@thestateofplay2023]

No problem!

[@redrooster7371]

So funny! The moment you said 'metallicsv I wanted to yell at the screen 'Noooo! Metallics don't move magically through the paper into the sponge and then the next session back through the paper into the fresh paint'. 😂 Thanks for clarifying that this is a myth!

[@thestateofplay2023]

It’s still surprising how many people repeat this myth though! 🤣🤣

[@apexFMUKGaming]

Great video. Clear information. Thx very much.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Happy to help!

[@TheDREAD666]

I have two wet palettes, the everlasting and one cheap chinese brand thing. I like the latter more. For one, the sponge is thicker and thus doesn't dry out as fast. Also it has 2 different kinds of paper: hydrophilic and hydrophobic. For colors you can properly use directly from the bottle the everlasting is really fine, but if you want to mix the hydrophobic paper of the cheap chinese palette is way better. In long sessions I will use both, so I can have two color palettes without worrying about contamination. I always use distilled water, mostly because my tap water is really hard and influences the paints and cleanliness of the brushes. If you buy it at a hardware store it's not that expensive and if you own a car you most likely will have some standing around anyway.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Interesting. Your water is the same as mine. But I own two cars and still don’t have any distilled water lying around. Should I have some? What’s it for🤔?The hardware store charges more for water than for medium. So I just buy medium. 🤣

[@TheDREAD666]

@@thestateofplay2023 I use the water for the windshield cleaner to mix with a concentrate. If you have ready-to-use windshield cleaner you won't need it of course. I think for 5L I paid ~ 2€. Also, I can just get some from work for free, when I think about it now 😅

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@TheDREAD666 aha! That’s it. My window washer is already diluted.

[@stevemayers6194]

Great educational video really enjoyed it Thank you. Especially like your reference about companies calling it ‘everlasting’ it’s like Trigger stating the 24 hr dump is closed at night 😂

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣 I know what you mean. Trigger was and still is correct. My local supermarket has a big “open 24hrs” sign outside. It closes at 10pm. Always reminds me of Trigger.

[@stevemayers6194]

@@thestateofplay2023 😂😂

[@garyjenson1326]

I don't even use acrylics and I watched. I think you have a bright future here.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Are you an oil paint man?

[@garyjenson1326]

@@thestateofplay2023 yes I am. I use all the paint, but oils are 95% of what I do. I like working with single pigments so color mixing is more predictable. Plus I find it more relaxing. The oils give me more working time. If I want to speed it up i put them in a light box with uv and they cure in about an hour. Pallet in the freezer keeps for days.

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@garyjenson1326 ah! Yes, I’m the same. I tend to base acrylic for speed and oil for better blends. I should invest in one of those light boxes I think!

[@kai_the_shark9044]

I honestly wish I had this video before I got mine. This had so much information including stuff I didn't know.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I know what you mean. Same problem I had. So now, I’m making videos to tell people all the stuff that no one says. 👍🏼

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

Hahaha about the Ferrero box, not only delicious, I bought a box earlier this year to make a wet pallet. Not only delicious I even got a second one because I wanted a dry brush and paint mixing container. :P

[@thestateofplay2023]

The ever giving versatile chocolate box!

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

@@thestateofplay2023 I should create for my channel 3D terrain that would fit in it so I can be sponsored by Ferrero Rocher. One of their factory is 30 minute drive from where I live.

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel I’d like to see that! That would be cool!

[@35milesoflead]

Ah, nice! The wonder material that is copper! I just bought an Army Painter branded wet palette, and I have some nice 3- core electrical wire that fits the bill. Nice tip! I am curious as to whether I still need to thin my paints down like I would with my old plastic well style palettes?

[@thestateofplay2023]

Hey! Yes, you’ll still need to thin your paints. A wet palette keeps them wet, it won’t thin them for you. 👍🏼

[@35milesoflead]

@@thestateofplay2023 Perfect. Thank you for your speedy reply. 🖖

[@B4MBI72]

ASDA baking paper FTW. I use those flat sponges to wipe off my brushes rather than kitchen towel

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh cool! 👍🏼

[@teessidetyrants1989]

Palettes, what the heck! Purists like myself use the same plastic lid that they have been using for years. If there's not ten years worth of paint layered on there then I ain't using it! Great video as usual, nice to see you mentioning the mould issue. It's always been a problem I have with them.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Palette!? Just take it straight out of the pot in one thick coat! 🤣🤣 or just dip your model in the pot…

[@teessidetyrants1989]

@@thestateofplay2023 yes! Who needs brushes. Will the paint on to the model. Demand it's compliance!

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣

[@JohnVanderbeck]

RE: Metallics I think it depends on your paper? I'm not saying metallics will seep through MORE than regular paint, but on my cheapy wet pallet from some chinese shop ALL paints actually seep through the paper into the sponge. My sponge was littered with paint splotches over time. I recently got a Red Grass Games pallete (like literally it arrived yesterday) so it will be interesting to see if this one acts different.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Metallics have larger pigment flakes than normal paint so if normal paint doesn’t seep through metallic can’t. Big things don’t go through small holes. “She said””🤣🤣

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@thestateofplay2023 Yes but my point is with my cheapy palette and its paper NORMAL paint seeps through

[@thestateofplay2023]

Don’t worry. It won’t happen on the RG Ganes one.

[@PetersTreasury]

I made my own wet palette, but my paper keeps curling up a bit so it doesn't make contact with the wet sponge. Any tips for this problem?

[@thestateofplay2023]

Keep pushing it back down. I used an old credit card to smooth it down. Once it’s fully wet on the underside it should stay down. If it’s still not sticking then you might not have put enough water on the sponge or stuff underneath.

[@Krasher247]

i use a well palette for my metallics for the reason you stated, but ive also modified the center of it to also have a wet palette and then i use a g-fuel canister lid to cover it up and help prevent evaporation :D i use old pennies that are actually copper and not an alloy to prevent mould growth :D

[@thestateofplay2023]

Great solution! Old pennies are a good call! Although some of them might be worth more than your wet pallette!! 😜

[@Krasher247]

@@thestateofplay2023 oldest one is from the 60’s I checked …lol, it’s worth more as copper than a penny but not by much :)

[@hunterdavis9941]

modern (american) pennies should also work, they may be made of zinc but they're coated in copper, so the part that's actually in the water is still what you need.

[@Krasher247]

@@hunterdavis9941 they are zinc cored with a copper ALLOY coating, the copper alloy does not give you the anti fungal properties that an older full copper Penny does so you won’t get the results you are expecting

[@andybillco2424]

@@hunterdavis9941 I haven’t tried but anecdotally I hear they don’t work. The copper coating isn’t enough apparently.

[@JustDebz]

That was awesome 👏

[@thestateofplay2023]

Thanks Debz!

[@dirigoallagash3464]

I've switched back to Dr Faust's 'cold palette' after a long wait for my Redgrass KS. The RG doesn't do anything different than a homemade one does and the cold one beats them both in my xp.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I can’t disagree. When painting, my little takeaway tubs do a better job with the paint than RG palettes!

[@TheRedBard]

Really the only thing I can adhere is that After experiencing the same thing, going through a few different brands of wet palette and types of paper I came to the same conclusion that unwaxed parchment paper really is the best cheap solution That being said, redgrassgames made a very specific unique two-sided membrane for their wet palette and now I use that paper on every single palette I own regardless of brand It's reusable... MANY times

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yeah I know the paper. I mentioned it in the video. I tried it and sure, it’s good, but it’s still never going to be cheaper than a huge roll of parchment paper. 😀👍🏼 And to be honest. Washing wet palette paper isn’t really how I fancy spending my hobby time. 🤣🤣🤣

[@lauracrevel6078]

😂😂😂 great video and had a great laugh too

[@thestateofplay2023]

Well, too many take painting tiny monsters a bit too seriously. 🤣🤣

[@PeachyPixel28]

Great... Now I need a Schrödinger's Palette sticker for my wet palette...

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh! Now that’s a great idea!! 💡

[@ashley-r-pollard]

Excellent. Just excellent. Muchas gracias.

[@thestateofplay2023]

You’re very welcome!

[@bobhair6805]

I have an army painter wet pallet and I think the sponge is more like a synthetic car chamios?

[@thestateofplay2023]

I guess if it retains water - it’s a sponge and will work. 👍🏼

[@spacedock873]

😂 Need to update the outro now that Twitter has the new, descriptive and catchy name "X" (like a technical version of the artist formerly know as Prince/Symbol/Little Tw*t). Love the merging of quantum mechanics and miniature painting! 😂 I agree that the "Everlasting palette" may have an issue under trades descriptions legislation as it is highly unlikely to outlast the heat death of the universe 🤔

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh man, X, like what was wrong with it before? It’s not as if X will make it less toxic. 🤣🤣. Would be funny though if, when the sun goes nova, there’s literally nothing left on the planet except wet palettes.

[@spacedock873]

@@thestateofplay2023 In that case the hyperintelligent creatures that evolve from the mould will be the dominant (and only) lifeform in the universe! 😁

[@andybillco2424]

@@spacedock873 the Goa’mould. (If you got the Stargate reference). 🤣

[@jakelilevjen9766]

“They would wonder why we went extinct. And then they would read Twitter, and it would all make sense.” Love it

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣🤣 Sad, but true!

[@ionminiatures]

I had a wet pallet that came with a copper disk that was supposed to help prevent mould but I had mould anyway after just a day or two. It was quite annoying.

[@thestateofplay2023]

You should scrape the disk to see if it was copper or copper coated. Sometimes they cheat!! 👍🏼

[@ionminiatures]

@@thestateofplay2023 it’s definitely copper. I am probably using it wrong. But I’ve moved to a Red Grass games small pallet and it’s working beautifully

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@ionminiatures ah good! Glad you got it working!

[@Skyppaii]

How do I stop my paint leaking into the sponge below? I have an armypainter palette but my sponge is stained with the colours I used.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Paint doesn’t leak through the paper unless you’ve got the wrong paper or it’s pouring over the edges onto the sponge. The sponge tends to get paint on it if you accidentally put paint into the water. 👍🏼😀

[@geertthomas]

do you use sponge water for thinning and mixing paint? Is the distance of your paint to the border at least 2 cm? Do you move the wet pallet? ;p :)

[@Daktangle]

The claim companies make about their wet palette sponge being mould resistant or proof is so bizarre. You've got this material, with a massive surface area due to all of the air holes through out it, that is filled with water and left in a dark place. That is just waiting for mould growth. The only way I think that it wouldn't grow mold is if it were a silver or copper foam.

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣 You’re so right!!

[@Kokose]

It depends. They could have used chemicals that kill bacterial and fungal growth. So it is not necessarily a false claim, granted the product is used just as directed and they did in fact used fungicide.

[@andybillco2424]

@@Kokoseah yes I would generally agree but any fungicide always needs to be replenished when in contact with water. As over time it inevitably dilutes or washes away. Not sure why wet pallette companies don’t just add a bottle of anti fungal detergent in the kit - it would cost pennies to add.

[@Kokose]

@@andybillco2424 this part kinda depends on the construction of the sponge itself too. There is a spray you can buy it's the himi/miya gouache antimildew spray, that you can spray few times on the sponge before using it but it is an extra purchase to make. Another thing is to change water ocassionally and maybe add a bit of white vinegar but as the video says - these palettes are generally made for session usage only (anything surviving beyond that point is a bonus), and should be washed afterwards.

[@GermanoAssis]

I would say I prefer Tesco's baking paper to Redgrass wet pallete paper. Awesome channel, it was a insta subscribe on the first video!

[@thestateofplay2023]

This!! AND…. Tesco baking paper helps make fantastic Muffins! 🤣

[@bobtheboozer9452]

Can you send a link to the one you use please?

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@bobtheboozer9452 I would. But I literally use the one the wife buys in the shopping. As long as it’s not brown paper, not waxed, you’ll be good!

[@bobtheboozer9452]

@@thestateofplay2023 thanks!

[@daveredhead4988]

You can get the distilled water from the tumble dryer free every day

[@thestateofplay2023]

If you have a tumble dryer. 🤣 I don’t.

[@geertthomas]

put a a piece of glass (smaller then your wetpallet! mixing!) , dry pallet or the empty cubes (sold seperatly) from solid watercolor (aquarelle) in the wetpallet for metallics, inks, thick acrylic artist paint, contrast or variants. against fungi and Klickers: copper never worked for me, distilled water did (got a big barrel of 5l under the desk) no more mold even if I forget to clean my wet pallet (dish) after a week or two. distilled water has no nutrients, no minerals or much less contaminants, the first pioneer fungi/bacteria suck all this water in and explode :p

[@thestateofplay2023]

Great tips!! Thanks! You did use real copper and not a copper penny? Those are mostly nickel so don’t work.

[@geertthomas]

@@thestateofplay2023Used a stripped electric wire and tapwater ... never worked, after a day or 2 smell and fungi stips starting their colonization... With distilled water after a week still nothing moves ;p O and the paint after a day or more I use for getting some crazy pouring art on the bases. ;)

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@geertthomas 👍🏼

[@iknownothing-49]

I must get me some takeaway. And drink lots of beer. Not to mention eating a big box of Ferrer Roche.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I support you in this highly creative endeavour!

[@OldManb1981]

I just buy a big jug of distilled water as it’s so cheap and never once had mould in my red grass pallette.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yeah, buying distilled water always felt a bit like the height of luxury. 🤣

[@davidhills7986]

Quick tip. If you have a local aquarium shop ask if they rodi water and ask for a litre. Chances are they'll give you it for free and it has everything removed from it so takes ages to go bad.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Ooh! Nice! There’s a garden centre near me with a full on aquarium shop!!

[@davidhills7986]

@@thestateofplay2023 is it a maidenhead aquatics by any chance. It's generally used for making saltwater as its pure of the chemicals that water companies put in which is poisonous to marine fish and corals.

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@davidhills7986 I’d have to check. I have no Idea as I don’t own any fish. 🤣🤣

[@davidhills7986]

@@thestateofplay2023 don't get into it. Marine fish and coral is even more expensive than models. Lol

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@davidhills7986 🤣🤣 ok. Sounds like a man who knows!!

[@Gumlass1]

Nice summary

[@anthonywaggett9317]

Thank you so much for the mould tips, I have been looking for this for ages but keep getting directed to Reddit which usually ends up in some long diatribe about why you shouldn't mix colours or how Trump wasn't that bad. Keep it up.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Ah Reddit! Ask one simple question, receive 357 opinions - often not even related to the original question! I know your pain! Every so often also wash both the sponge and palette with anti-bacterial dish soap!

[@anthonywaggett9317]

Thanks, I have used diluted bleach to wash it but never thought of the anti bac dish soap. @@thestateofplay2023

[@stefanblackadder5236]

I want to apologize because I only subscribed today. The value of this channel is high. In my defense…. I’m old and washed up.😂

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣🤣 No need to apologise. A sub is an individual choice.

[@jackthemayor2518]

Most stuff is fine on a wet palette, just change your paper more often and change your sponge every so often. Also remember to hydrate your wet palette for the task you are doing currently. More moisture is better for glazing, less for base coating.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I’d generally agree but metallics, speedpaints, washes and contrast dilute to a watery mess on a wet palette no matter how it’s hydrated (unless you don’t put any water at all 🤣🤣)

[@theorganicshadow]

Refreshing to see a video actually discuss some of the nuances of the wet palettes without just skipping to "they suck don't use them!". This video points out some things I haven't seen other videos cover.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yeah I think with any tool it’s totally personal whether it’s worth it or not. But all issues and features need a discussion. 👍🏼

[@paulhargreaves1497]

"Wet Spongy Box" lol

[@thestateofplay2023]

I’m glad someone got the joke…😜

[@paulhargreaves1497]

@@thestateofplay2023 I noticed the box message keeps changing..... I do like the humour levels in your vids. Subbed too....even though I'm primarily an aircraft modeller!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Glad to have you. I hope some vids are entertaining for you even if you don’t make tiny, ridiculously overly detailed space soldiers. 😂

[@furbs178]

A few drops of Hydrogen peroxide keeps the mold away as well

[@thestateofplay2023]

And makes all your paints bleached blonde! 🤣🤣

[@Marconius6]

One thing you didn't mention with regards to mold: put your wet palette in the fridge when not using it. Although that does make the condensation issue worse.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Yup, you fix one problem, you make another worse. My solution thesedays is never leave anything in it for more than a day.

[@Piasecznik72]

Paints consist of ink - thing carrying a colour, pigment - giving paint opacity (sometimes also a color), medium - keeping pigment evenly distributed , and solvent (water for acrylics) which keeps everything liquid. Wet palette can only resupply paint with solvent. If medium evaporates or goes to wet palet via osmosis and is replaced by solvent, pigment will separate from the mix and you will get chalky and grainy paint. So wet palet is excellent tool making painting session much more enjoyable but they are not holy grail which will make your paint stay perfect indefinitely.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Absolutely correct! Thanks!!

[@gavinm894]

My wet palette normally ends up with mould in it. 😅😬😞

[@thestateofplay2023]

They all do. No matter what the magic sponge says. Copper wire. All the way!!

[@plastic_vicar]

Is there anything specific to look out for on baking paper that tells you if it's waxed/unwaxed? Also, are there any specific UK brands that you can recommend for sure that work well?

[@thestateofplay2023]

Oh wow. Good question. My wife usually buys it and I just steal it. I’m pretty certain is says on the package. Sainsburys own brand white stuff (not brown) works well.

[@plastic_vicar]

@@thestateofplay2023 So I guess the question "where did all my baking paper go?" is a frequent question in your house, lol! Thanks for the info, I'll check it out next time I nip to Sainsbury's. Definitely gonna make some of the mini wet-pallete-pots

[@thestateofplay2023]

Not just baking paper mate. I’ve nabbed the hand wash for brush cleaning, makeup brushes for drybrushing…you name it. 🤣

[@vlissinger]

Only use demineralised water in your wet palette so you dont get mold.

[@thestateofplay2023]

It’s good advice if you can get your hands on some. Many people can’t or just don’t want to pay for water. 👍🏼

[@zakphillips976]

Mold*

[@thestateofplay2023]

Only in America. In England we use “mould” because well, we invented the language called English. 🤣👍🏼

[@oliverp3545]

LOL so I'm not the only one who uses a Ferrero Rocher container as a wet pallette.

[@thestateofplay2023]

You are not. It’s like the thing was designed for dual and use!!

[@billcedarheath387]

I’m late to this video. I know. As to why distilled water over tap water. Distilled water doesn’t have the minerals and chemicals that tap water does. If you like stuff like chlorine, fluoride, lime scale in your wet pallet and in your paints… use the tap water. If you want to keep your paints as you’d like them to be… go with distilled. The choice is yours. I’d go with the distilled personally.

[@thestateofplay2023]

I agree but that’s a cost many don’t want to pay sadly.

[@billcedarheath387]

@@thestateofplay2023 I’m not sure what the costs are for a gallon of distilled water across the globe are. In the US it costs just one dollar for a gallon and we always have it on hand for other things. My wife normally picks it up for her clothes iron. This is because tap water ruins them. If one dollar is a cost problem in the US, they need to get out of the hobby and get serious about managing their household budget.

[@thestateofplay2023]

🤣 yeah sadly here in the U.K. we get ripped off for everything. Distilled water is not easy to find , isn’t cheap and it’s often cheaper to buy paint mediums, beer, wine and car screen wash!

[@gavinm894]

Also, interestingly you seem to have way more water in your palettes than I do. Maybe I need to add more. 🤔

[@thestateofplay2023]

The sponge needs to be soaked through completely and the water level should sit at the edge of the sponge but not flow over. Level with the sponge and no more. Like a perfectly still infinity swimming pool.

[@gavinm894]

@@thestateofplay2023 definitely way more than I use then. Could explain a few things. 😂 thanks. 👍

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@gavinm894 always here for any questions!! Happy to help!

[@d.s.dathaniel7552]

I will never understand why people let mould grow on their palette, don't you just dumb the water and get a new sheet every session, problem solved.

[@thestateofplay2023]

That some proper logic. But it’s not the water that’s the problem. It’s the sponge. You have to soak, clean and dry that too. And often it doesn’t dry quick enough between painting sessions.

[@aristotle29]

A wet palette isn't revolutionary, it's a tool designed to make acrylic paint act like oil paint. Just cut out the middle man and go to oil paints. You'll save massive amounts of money since they are cheaper and better quality, and require less space since you can mix any color that you'd want because they are all one to two pigment paints. Plus, you can always make your own with pigments and linseed oil. Ask any professional painter which is better to paint with, acrylic or oil, and every single one of them will say oil. Acrylic paint was only chosen by hobby stores because they could sell acrylic paint to kids.

[@thestateofplay2023]

Well, that and you can paint a model with acrylic and play a game with it in less than 20 minutes. I use both oil and acrylic. I love both for different reasons. But a video that says, “put oil on a palette and use. The end”, probably wouldn’t go far on KZbin. 🤣🤣🤣

[@dougsundseth6904]

Neither acrylics nor oils are strictly better (I use both). (Enamels are also useful for their own purposes.) There are things you can do with acrylics that are difficult with oils and vice versa. Wet palettes address one of the disadvantages of acrylics in a way that is both simple and effective. None of which is to say that you should only use acrylics ... or use acrylics at all. Use what works well for you. As I will.

[@thestateofplay2023]

@@dougsundseth6904 Couldn't have put it better myself Doug!

[@Kresnov]

You really need to stop being so sensible it might annoy all the companies who depend on my stupidity. 😊

[@thestateofplay2023]

Well in my defence, the less stupid we all are, the more companies have to step up their game! 🤣🤣👍🏼

[@Kresnov]

@@thestateofplay2023 your absolutely correct but I couldn't possibly say it in public lol, great content, really looking forward to seeing the channel grow.

[@Tombonzo]

A great video and to the point! Thanks!!

[@thestateofplay2023]

Any time mate!