How To Fix Your Knee Slide and Saggy Knees in the Downswing 🏌️‍♂️

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

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[@cubfan69kmz85]

“That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!” . There is so much detail in that video I am going to have to go back numerous times to understand all the info. As someone who at times will have that Elvis looking move with the right leg in the downswing, I am guessing this is something that can definitely help me as far as that goes. Another 👍 from this reviewer.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

My pops would hate to hear me say this, but this should keep the King away from your downswing 😉

[@cameronbaydock5712]

They should call it Round-tine

[@cubfan69kmz85]

@@AthleticMotionGolfgentlemen, do you guys like the drill where you put a wedge under the back foot and don’t let it drop until impact?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@cubfan69kmz85 no sir

[@mwccjc1]

You likely won’t read this, but I’ve been playing golf for 20+ years with this issue (6.7 handicap) and I’ve gone to numerous top pros (including one in the top 100) and this issue perplexed them. In other words they had no idea what this was caused by or how to communicate an effective fix. I went home and tried this and then began hitting balls on my quad- yeah I’m obsessive. After applying your concept, I “posted” on my lead leg for the first time in my life - awesome. Then I was able to stabilize and could apply effective vertical force into my leg. My clubhead speed went from an average of 84ish miles an hour, on average, to over 90mph with an 8 iron. Ya’lls new content is especially awesome. You fixed something I’ve been trying to rectify for 20 years. Thank you.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@mwccjc1 this is Shaun and i absolutely read it 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻. Great job! Sometimes it just takes one more click of the combination lock by someone explaining things in a different way. I’m happy for you 🙌

[@paulwhite6367]

Legit me 1000%....I see it in every video and have no clue how to fix it...........until now :) Thanks guys

[@stevebright4037]

2:27 is gold which is the point where the right knee is gaining flex and the lead knee is losing flex. To me, this is the swing thought which allows me to open up through impact and not get stuck or have the lead knee collapse. I think the entire video is gold but complicated and I'm hopeful there is a part 2: No more saggy Knees; this time it's personal which I'm sure would be a box office hit. Thanks guys. Always love the videos.

[@johnshearer9477]

Uncle Mike forget all the other YT posts you've filmed. Hands down this is your best one yet! I don't know who that little guy is with the squeaky voice but he really shines in this clip too!

[@freddym6643]

Understand the theory and the graphics you show, but finding it very confusing on how to actually move like this. Could you perhaps make a video with a student who doesn't do this correctly, and who isn't very "smart" when it comes to golf concepts, to illustrate how someone would learn this.

[@krankin88]

Have you tried keeping your right foot down a little longer than normal through impact? You can try that swing thought, as well as rolling onto the right side of your left foot instead of lifting your right heel as early as you normally might.

[@Nickporter17]

I was able to follow most of the movement but that trail hip extension through impact is very different than what I'm currently doing and it doesn't feel very natural to try to get there.

[@kenjoersz8495]

This is by far the most impactful video for my swing. All my major issues are now gone. Like Shawn, I had bad concepts from past instruction. This was also the easiest change I’ve ever made. It literally took one swing. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@joshuahanson8543]

This is by far the most detailed, informative, and knowledgable golf instruction source available! Very helpful visuals and thorough biomechanical breakdowns. 👍 The whole golf world should know about, and be suggesting you guys as a primary source. Thanks for doing what you do! 🤙

[@AdrianCiucu]

I'm going to download all available AMG videos (just in case :))

[@lal1921]

Today's timing on this topic couldn't have been more perfect. As I played earlier, I decided to refine my swing by focusing on an almost matching hip turn, aiming to correct my tendency to slide forward slightly with my hips. I was also careful not to let the ball position move back in my stance, especially for irons. What makes this even more interesting is that I couldn't practice this on the range since it's closed this time of year. So, I had to do it in 'live action' on the course. It's not the ideal way, but getting it right in real-life situations is quite convincing. After about 9 holes, something remarkable occurred. My ball started flying straight, my iron shots became solid with higher trajectories, and my swing felt effortless without the dropping sensation through the hitting area. I'm a 65-year-old with a low single digit handicap who could have stuck with my old swing, but I encourage everyone to give this a shot. It's a game-changer!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Absolutely awesome! Great job making the change 🙌

[@seanmccarthy6029]

Awesome

[@seanmccarthy6029]

My Boys speaking directly to me with that Rubik’s Cube analogy! These are the Best Pros in the Game. Go see them and get a personalized lesson. It is well worth it for a lifetime of better golf without hurting yourself. What else can I say? Awesome! Thank you Shaun and Mike. I’m On It.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Let’s go! Ps… I still haven’t figured out that 🤬cube though 😆

[@seanmccarthy6029]

Lol I’ll send you the instructions and then you can video your progress and submit it to me for review Ha!

[@markmcleod9905]

Forget Rubik’s cube … too easy …. This is Da Vinci golf swing codesque.. one of the best AMG vids EVER! Deep stuff and I’ve been trying to fix this for years, but this solidifies the correct trail leg motor pattern, which in my case is the cause of being late with vertical force timing.

[@seanmccarthy6029]

Ohhh, bending the knee with no pressure = good knee bend and right hip lower! Bending the knee under pressure “Hikes” the hip up = bad rotation.!!!! Love working on the puzzle Mike! Thank you for all of the amazing content!!! AMG strong

[@winstonsmith11]

I'm going to be watching and rewatching this video many, MANY times. This is the very thing I'm trying to work on this offseason. I've been trying to fix the lead knee by focusing on the extension of the lead leg. Seems logical 🤷‍♂️ But this video has the real answers. Thanks again, AMG. Always there when I need you.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Let us know if you have any questions 👊

[@jyrkihakala934]

This is by far the best explanation ever how the pelvis works! Love this! 32 years of struggle but now finally know what way I should move🤘

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you!!!!!

[@bensontan4525]

Guys. Thank you SOSOSO much for this video. I've finally understood why I slide out and was unable to push off trail foot. Nothing like pure data and measurements to identify what the best do. Keep doing what you guys are doing and changing golfers' lives for the better! Onward and upward!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@bensontan4525 👊🙂

[@bkulinskiwi]

Hi guys - what a relief to find a lesson dedicated to my saggy knees ! Like other commenters, I think I'm doing it perfect then look at video and see the truth. The drills definitely help me feel the muscle activation. I showed this to my wife who is a PT and she had an additional observation that really helped me. As part of re-centering I step on left foot with pressure on outside of my left foot; knee then flexed and all downhill from there. When I changed to initiate that pressure to the inside of my left foot and then roll over the pressure to the outside of my left foot more gradually, things felt so much better and my knees didn't buckle. From a symmetry perspective as you mentioned in video, you put pressure on inside right foot on backswing, so makes sense to put pressure on inside of left foot on forward swing. thanks again!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

OK love it !

[@scottharmon5583]

I’ve probably watched 30 vids of how the pelvis ‘turns’, and most have talked about turning ‘into’ the trail leg. I knew this meant internal rotation. This is the first time anyone has pointed out that the lead leg is *externally* rotating at the same time. He’s right that you can’t see it on video because the lead knee still moves away from target. Great stuff!

[@krankin88]

Killer video guys. Fully extending the hips from a flexed position makes so much sense, kind of like those popper suction toys - they "lose" their angle to release all that stored energy. I'm still working on that analogy, but that perfext bowstring look some of the pros have is just amazing

[@hansidelk6604]

Haha, this is fantastic. I know what to do, how to extend the left knee, but I struggled with that left leg straightening for so long, stopping me from really extending the whole left side, and for example hit up on the driver. Now I know what to do! Thanks so much!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Happy to help!

[@georgetinwick3450]

this is so so helpful and as about as far as i have been doing all my life can you believe i thought i had to keep the right hip back to avoid the arms running into the hips and getting stuck wow is this a game changer for me and i hope for your followers who are9 mistaken like myself tks so much for this segment

[@markgogos2674]

This is exactly what I have battled with for years. Tried some of the drills and went to the range to test it. Once I started figuring it out a bit, it started to make a big difference in strike and rotation. Definitely the thing I need to work on more.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@markgogos2674 nice work 🙌

[@johnclancy7465]

This is a top class video, thanks ! I finally get how to move my lower body now. Wish I had this video ten years ago!

[@roadtoscratchgolf3481]

Another great detailed explanation and visual of how the pelvis actually moves in a swing. Cheers

[@sportsman214]

This is so crazy. I noticed this in my swing a few weeks ago and have been trying to figure out how to correct it. My left knee was super bent at impact and I also get off of my right heel very quickly on the downswing. I have to feel like I'm flat footed at impact or more weight on trail foot at impact and it seems to be helping. Similar to the right knee tip you give

[@maddog21305]

Thanks for this, guys. I've had this saggy back knee ever since I can remember and it breeds inconsistency. I've gone through periods where I shoot 80, then periods where I shoot 100. My current golf instructor is zero help, just tells me he's never seen anything like it before and I need stronger action with my hips. The drills in this video are very helpful

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

happy it helped!!

[@richardjohnson-tb5pz]

I have seen the videos demonstrating the feet twisting in opposite direction to the body turn when there is no friction, but I have never understood this until after watching your video today, thanks.

[@dobrain1]

crystal clear for the first time, ever!

[@russdaley5333]

I've been working to get rid of that knee lift in the early downswing while lowering the trail hip and then stopping my lateral movement at the right time. Great detail and explanation...along with some data-driven myth busting. Now I have an even better roadmap to follow. Thanks, boys!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

This is an elusive piece of the 🧩 to see, but has made a big difference to the players we’ve shared it with. Glad you o see that trend continue 👊🤓

[@seanmccarthy6029]

Awesome Russ! Keep grinding

[@tonypowers9839]

You Guys Are Fantastic! Keep Up The Good Work! Super Grateful!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We appreciate you! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

[@Orthoshooter]

Golf is so damn hard! The number of times I’ve shot mid to upper 60s one day and 80 the next is too high. I have struggled so much trying to do every one of these moves to where I’m shoving my hips back on the downswing and trying to do my best Joaquin Niemann impression which ends up looking completely terrible and ends up in a two way miss. Thanks for all the info…now if I only knew how to process it all😬

[@alipajooman]

This video broke me! I was so set on bringing my trail knee up to my lead knee in transition! This makes sense, thanks for the for the fact based instruction.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yeah, transition is jumping the gun a bit early. Glad it helped 👊🙂

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

The more I separate lower from upper in transition. The more efficient I link it all up. Great video

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

👊🙏🏻

[@stevebeskid4398]

Great video! We covered the downswing portion in my most recent trip and this is even more detail.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Glad it was helpful!

[@16pennynails]

Excellent timing on this video for me! My knees can get really "loose" through impact....I'll probably have to watch this video like twenty times to really grasp the concept, lol! As with all your instruction I now have a real foundation to work from! Thanks again AMG!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Starting with the right concept is more than half the battle in this crazy game lol. Let us know if we can help clear anything up.

[@grahamjones7371]

Confession, the rib sway theory mob instantly improved me! but i couldnt get their back squat move,luckily my lower body action is as you recommend so im not going to persist in trying to get their lb move

[@jasoncarpenter4542]

My instructor calls it a "late buckle"- I've been doing it for years and was not aware. Funny, when I go to a baseball swing (something that I've been doing since I was 9) there is no "saggy knee" to be found. When I find myself sliding, I rehearse my baseball swing to reinforce the proper hip and knee pivot. Great video

[@Shakinmyhead503]

Appreciate you sharing these gems

[@obrothernotagain4668]

Finally, you two get to my issue. I just couldn't figure out how to get rid of my slide, and this causes my lead leg's thigh to get super tight after a round/range session. I've also developed quite the wear mark from dragging my toe like Shaun mentions. Excited to try out these new ideas!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love it! Let us know how it goes.

[@andrefischer5259]

It’s funny, Paddy’s golftip just covered that topic, fantastic content from both channels !!

[@stephenwilde2631]

Brilliant analysis. You guys are the best👏

[@alnickerson2525]

This video was great! A big help. Thanks.

[@willweathersby9921]

Another great video. The guys at Joey D's have some great videos using bands that complements the drill/feeling you are showing with the club and the split stance.

[@ithoughtitwasamoose1]

Fantastic explanation!!! Fact not fiction 🔥

[@robkocerha4017]

Amazing video and insights as always. Well done!

[@danm6686]

I think saggy leg has put a lot of strain on my left hip and knee the last year or 2. This has been helping a lot.

[@nickbaker1189]

This is the first video I’ve seen on this. Thank you! I’ve had a buckling left knee through impact for a long time.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

You are not alone! This should help unbuckle the leg 🙂

[@nickbaker1189]

I have somehow played a lot of good golf for a lot of years with a saggy left knee. However, I believe I lose distance and accuracy because of it. I have tried straightening the left leg and feel as though I do and then video shows I still sag the leg. It’s crazy! I’m hoping this changes my game!

[@nickbaker1189]

So, I attempted this on the range before work today. It made a huge difference. My balls were compressed and flight was more consistent. Thanks! I videoed the swings and finally my hips appear to be in a much better position.

[@ricko7976]

Great video. Took it to the course today. 1/2 a club longer ,and better contact.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Wow! Love it

[@petegalindez9961]

Very cool! I’ve actually started to do this accidentally while working on parametric acceleration and finally getting that feeling…the video was confusing, but that’s not saying much. It’s easy to confuse me…I’ll go back and watch it a few more times…thanks guys!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love it. Let us know if we can clear anything up 👍

[@daviddjj]

Ground pressure has helped me a little with really feeling a post up

[@chefraymond]

Seems opposite to what Milo Lines keep drilling….. I believe the 3d perspective that you guys present. The angles are indisputable, without errors of parallax and projected angles using a 2 d camera

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Great point. These segments are moving quite slowly in the downswing, but they are rotating across and away from the lens which makes ACCURATELY seeing HOW they move not possible. What a cool time to be alive in the history of this game with what we're able to see now compared to a decade ago.

[@daveythomas4338]

Wow! I’ve been trying to figure out why I do the sagging on my lead leg at and after impact. I’m one of those golfers who focused on the locking the lead leg instead of getting the right trail hip movement. The few times I’ve been able to keep my lead leg straight were very short and slow swings. As a bonus getting this movement correct will solve my early extension issues which cause the barrel arms at impact and beyond.

[@temporarystranger95]

Two questions: (1). I’m working with a golfer who has a “saggy,” “buckling” lead knee (and he doesn’t lose that trail thigh angle much, so this video is golden). However, he asks what problems are caused from a saggy lead knee? You never addressed the issues associated with a saggy lead knee. Loss of distance? Low point/bottoming issues? What can I tell him? (2). Can the use of a Bradley Hughes Down Under Board help with reducing the trail thigh angle by emphasizing downward pressure with the trail leg. Watching Brendan Todd use the board seems to help with reducing the trail thigh angle on the downswing. Would that device be a good aid for this problem? Thanks and keep up the great work! 👊👊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Some of the more common issues we see would be low point control, face control, and poor generation/timing of ground forces (often having a big impact on speed and distance). The trail leg down forces should be decreasing in the downswing.

[@temporarystranger95]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks for the prompt response! 👊👊

[@nickytuason]

These guys are so good!

[@CoachLockey]

Hi guys, Great video and edit 👌love learning from you both and would be great to meet you one day. Question and I think I know the answer but want to get your take on it as I have plenty of lessons struggling with this. Would having bowed out legs (ankles together but their knees remain apart) make this harder for someone to achieve? Thanks in advance. Coach Lockey 😁

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It makes sense that it would. For those players especially, monitoring foot flare is important. We hope to make it to the UK next summer. It would be fun to meet up and maybe do some content together!

[@ddawgs18]

Wow! Thank you for drills and explanation on the back leg feeling. Took a lesson and coach said don’t hump the goat 😂. After your more thorough analysis I can understand what he means! 😂 You guys are great!

[@andybecker5001]

Paddy Harrington has a great video on this. One of the best players ever saying he turns pelvis into right leg on backswing and turns pelvis into left leg on downswing.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

He's come to see us. He in fact does exactly that 💪

[@Prophecy23JC]

Thanks, as always.

[@jeffreyfish9306]

Great video, as usual. The sagging knee syndrome hits me later in the round as my hips and hamstrings get tighter (I walk nearly every round). Like many others, I could not figure out how to stop. These drills really help feel where the tightness occurs and I hope will help with stretching during the round.

[@golfessor2678]

Great video guys as usual! It helps clear up some things. At the 6:50 mark Mike says ; immediately the right hip works out diagonally toward the target line. And at the 8:50 mark Shaun says; " I sink a little bit." With these two movements it appears as if there is a very small separation of the knees. Can this be something that good players on tour do?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

The "sink" comes from the trail knee flexing, which starts lowering the trail side of the pelvis. That's happening as both are working out diagonally, like Mike said. Those movements begin closing the gap between the knees rather than separating them.

[@ZinglebertBembledack]

Great video as always, guys! The idea of disassociating the movement of the hips with the movement of the knees has, and continues to, blow my mind. I've always just sort of thought of "the lower body" as one single thing but I'm working to understand the movements needed, joint by joint from the ground up. In trying to get my mind around the concept discussed in this video (hip movement relative to knee movement), would you say that it is accurate to think of the foot to the knee as a single unit and the hip as a separate unit or is it inaccurate to think of the knee and the foot that way? Obviously the foot moves independently of the knee and both influence each other, but I'm wondering if it's appropriate to consider the foot and knee as one unit to train this concept of the hip and knee movement relative to each other? (without a ball, in slow motion, of course! - not full swings)

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

If it helps, I think it’s fine 😉

[@Gilesgillgolf]

Hi guys, would you say part of the optical illusion as to why golfers think the right hip stays back is because in the first few frames of the downswing as the right hip starts to work forward, down and around but the glute muscle substitutes the old position of the hip from the down the line view. Hopefully that makes sense. If you watch videos of top pros it appears from the down the line view the right glute stays connected till the left glute comes back & then it’s releases off. Just trying to piece the measurements of gears up with the illusions of camera angles Love your work. Would love to come meet you guys in Florida one day

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Definitely part of the illusion. Gotta keep in mind too (especially with wide lenses) the hip/side closest to the camera is “bigger” and hides the lead side longer. Come see us when you’re down this way 👊

[@Gilesgillgolf]

@@AthleticMotionGolf will do! Thanks for the response!

[@georgeleon9520]

Wow! Nailed it! Thank you!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

👊🤓

[@scottmurray7283]

I have a hard time getting the lead hip to have equal opposite movement to my trail hip ie it feels like im rotating around my lead hip more the. Center pelvis? Heel strike city

[@cubfan69kmz85]

So this video combined with the last video on why you need to early extend in the swing really kind of go together, correct? In your experience teaching amateurs is correcting the body movement other then the arms, more difficult then changing the club movement and the arms? I ask because, for me, properly moving the body especially with the info on these two videos, has been infinitely more difficult then changing the club movement. The tendency to raise the right hip in transition is something I am seeing and feeling in my swing right now. 😮 I know just moving the body better is going to have a positive effect on the club movement. Thanks in advance.

[@ryanlocke6339]

This is yet another fantastic video about lower body movement in the swing! I'd like to know more about your trail knee/hip movement point. You stated that the trail heel shouldn't move up early to prevent your trail hip from staying high in the downswing. Justin Thomas famously raises that trail heel early in his downswing. Is he more of an exception to the rule, like can he achieve hip mobility that most people can't achieve? Or is it still possible to lower that trail hip while hiking that trail heel up early in the downswing?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It dramatically complicates what should be a very simple movement. Can it be done and still be functional? We’ve only seen one do it at a high level. But we’ve seen hundreds by now level up from taking it out of their downswing 🙂

[@ryanlocke6339]

@@AthleticMotionGolf makes perfect sense! Thanks guys!

[@paulweylandgolf]

Excellent video guys. And you look great in Titleist hats. Makes big Mike look a lot thinner 😃

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@paulweylandgolf magic 🧢 lol

[@GoatZPLN]

Damn I’m a +2 hdcp and I have a saggy leg, can’t wait to work on this today!

[@kryschiou4449]

bending the knee and losing the angle. amg is simply omg!

[@temporarystranger95]

Not sure what you are saying by “nobody pushes their hips backwards” during the downswing. Maybe it’s visually deceiving, but I see many pros increase hip flexion as their first move in transition. Take a look at Windham Clarke, for example. Also, the angle established between the chest and the trail leg at the top of the swing *decreases* as the golfer starts down and covers the ball (see Tiger Woods, for example). That’s also an indication of increased hip flexion. Lastly, not to be a contrarian, but the greatest ball-striker of all time, Moe Norman, wanted the left knee bent at impact. He stressed the importance of hitting into his bent left knee. You can say Moe was an outlier who created his own fundamentals, but maybe he was on to something??? Anyway, you presented a lot of good information here and I appreciate the video. Thanks! 👊👊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for watching! I think you're being deceived a bit by how things look compared to how they're actually moving. We're shooting a video today showing how that idea of the angle between the chest and leg is responsible for so many bad concepts in current instruction. Regarding Moe... a few people have achieved financial success from playing the lottery, but I wouldn't hire a financial adviser who recommended the strategy. FAR FAR more failures in that strategy than successes 🙂

[@andrewconnor4429]

Feels amazing! I felt like i was running out of room and now I realize I was trying to maintain right knee and right hip internal rotation for a feeling of stability, so I kind of slow down around impact when trying to maintain that leading to mishits... Ive been doing my 90 90 and pigeon stretches and still wondering what gives... This solves it! Practicing this both ways feels great like I'm doing tai chi cloud hands. Man what an exciting time to get back into golf for me... When I stopped they didnt even have youtube! Inspiring stuff guys thanks a million, super fun stuff to work on and share with others

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome! So much fun for us to hear this helped crack the code for you 🤓

[@sirtogii5216]

Great one guys

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks brother 👊

[@WarGolf]

At mark 1:08 Mike talks about squeezing the hand with the trail hip in the backswing. Is there a video discussing that move in more detail?

[@ebitalian02767]

I’ve been searching for why my trail knee ends up touching my lead in my downswing by impact, and why my trail foot would over rotate , my trail foot ends up rolling over to far it ends up pointing at the target line Feels like this would help. I’ve never turned into my pelvis before and I’ve always struggled with an my hips finishing way too early in the backswing, arm swing overrun and total loss of trail leg knee angle in the backswing This feels like a chunker cue to steal a Chuck Cook term that cures all of this. Is the on course / practice feel just turn into the trail hip then turn into the lead hip? Thanks for all you guys do.

[@paullong1472]

Thanks for this, I've been plagued by this for too long.

[@jcrews5508]

Sean and Mike while I understand this video focuses on the lower I wanted to ask is it possible to move the lower body correctly if the upper body spins from the top. Seems to me you could chase yourself down a rabbit hole trying to fix something in the lower body that really is unattainable if your upper body is moving incorrectly. Maybe too detailed for a response just wanted to put my thoughts in as a former member of your AMG Plus which taught me to always look for a cause and not an effect. ill be joining back shortly Fyi having just rehabbed a shoulder surgery.

[@PetSKi67]

Knee drive was one of Jack Nicklaus’ key mental images I remember hearing him say in the VHS-series, Golf My Way.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Okay. If anyone is happy with how they hit it driving the legs, then they shouldn’t change. But what we find is golfers who watch instructional videos on KZbin aren’t quite happy with how they hit. So we make videos to try and help them 🙂

[@PetSKi67]

@@AthleticMotionGolf, yes. I can fully understand that. Nicklaus had the upward thrust ritght after the knee drive, which was a key element clearing the hips and getting clubhead speed. If you just kneele during down swing, you get nothing, but a decelerating club head and a solid push or a serious hook, when the arms take over.

[@cubfan69kmz85]

When I start the downswing, I have to shift pressure forward. Where I get lost is when I watch your video you talk about the beginning of the downswing as rotation. What about the shift forward? I know we recenter to about 50/50 or so at the top of the swing. Is rotation enough to get the rest of the lateral shift you need? Often times I will recenter and as I start down I immediately start to rotate but I do not get far enough forward. I get the concepts of the leg movements, where I am confused is the process of transition. Am I rotating or shifting then rotating?

[@Busdriver1215]

Would a simple thought be to keep that back foot grounded as you turn in transition and the downswing? That in my mind would almost accomplish the same thing. That should theoretically prevent the knee from caving in and also promoting right hip extension. Would love your guy’s thoughts!

[@jetsfan23]

have a question about ground forces on the lead side and how to use them without injury. I have found that if I push off my lead side on the downswing I can pick up 10 yds of carry and sometimes 15 with carry plus roll. That much said I'm finding to really hard on my inner leg. Any suggestions?

[@pederjensen7288]

What about when the right heel is lifting in downswing. Some promote that right heel should stay down to ground until the ball have been hit and then first the heel should lift up - while other say to rotate the right heel should lift up

[@PetSKi67]

Former older tennis players often have the kollapsing knee phenomena in their swings, cause they are so used to moving forward thru the shot on tennis court. Hence modern tennis shots, specially the so called ATP-forehand uses hip rotation in a more similar manner with what is beneficial in golf. Some forehands are even hit with jumping off the ground with your front foot to turn the hips really fast, while the back foot stays on the ground.

[@conner348]

Could this be a cause of lower body ‘sliding’ towards target and upper hanging back or…? Great work as always gents👏🏻

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

That’ll cause all sorts of trouble, this included. But we do see a number of golfers who’ve fixed their slide but still have this issue.

[@conner348]

@@AthleticMotionGolf legends, thanks guys 👏🏻

[@JasonBreeland]

Should you also make sure the lead knee doesn’t get outside of your lead ankle when looking face on?

[@robsaxepga]

When I make a move like I'm swinging a bucket of water around me or tossing a bag of concrete like Dr Kwon said to me, my left leg doesn't sag. Is that the feel you're explaining?

[@6738]

Do you offer a single swing analysis? I have this issue was wondering if yall can take a look

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We will plan to open online lesson up again next month 👍

[@69mjar]

The twisting of my front leg, my left knee, my meniscus completely gave way and had to have surgery to repair it.

[@MichaelPhlegar]

Could this be why I keep hurting my back from the buckle post impact?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Very high likelihood based on what we’ve seen in the past.

[@TJ-pf6sj]

Mike/Shaun, so does the lead leg just straighten during the downswing and there is no squat? thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Some players might have a couple degrees more bend happening VERY EARLY at the start of the downswing, but it's straightening by lead arm parallel for everyone I can recall off the top of my head. A squat would be both legs doing the same thing, they are not doing that.

[@Raret000]

11:16 I think you made a mistake here “In the backswing, Trail hip move into the trail knee and lead hip move away from the trail knee” I think you meant lead hip move away from the lead knee. Correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@Raret000 thanks for catching that! You are correct 👊

[@paulweylandgolf]

You guys look great in Titleist hats 🙌🔥👊. Number one in golf

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

That's quite a compliment coming from Mr Titleist himself! We're excited to be part of the family 🙂

[@kalbeeRaimer]

You guys made this video for me didn’t you? 😂😂

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We did! 👊😊

[@davecohn6407]

How much does flaring the feet snd opening /closing the stance affect this move

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It can affect it. Not a huge fan of a lot of foot flare

[@JayRho17]

@AthleticMotionGolf I struggle to get my trail knee to reflex in the downswing, any suggestions?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

slow down and do it correctly 1000 times then gradually speed it up

[@JayRho17]

@@AthleticMotionGolf by slowdown and do it correctly, should I be intentional and intentionally re flex my trail knee at the start of the downswing or should it happen naturally? Like my trail knee doesn't lock back straight but it doesn't get close to what it was at address if that makes sense

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@JayRho17 well you have to do it intentinally until it becomes a habit. And the knee should not straighen much at all on the backswing

[@JayRho17]

@@AthleticMotionGolf I see okay I will work on this slow and see when it takes me! I appreciate it! My trail knee has been a problem my whole life! Last question, is it bad that when I rotate through the down swing that my head turns at the same rate/same angle as my shoulders (most of the time I don't really see the ball at impact head is turned towards target)

[@grahamjones7371]

Looks like Monty who has a one of a kind swing! not disagreeing with video but

[@Daniel-qr6sx]

Mind blown

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

😂

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

👊🤯

[@timothy288]

Transferring your weight instep to instep works too.

[@freddym6643]

My most recent coach said my main reason for losing my angles and scooping the ball, was due to the trail shoulder staying high and back too long. So I had to throw away the angles just to reach the ball. Could not allowing the trail hip/knee to move forward and down also cause the same issues? If that makes sense.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yep it could 👍

[@freddym6643]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks. Also a question about practice priority. Like most I got both lower body and upper body centric motions that need correcting. Would it make sense to prioritize getting the lower body correct first in practice? Somehow it makes sense to me that you could more easily work up good lower body mechanics with not so good upper body mechanics, than the other way around. So getting decent lower body motion would be a priority.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@freddym6643 yes. That’s almost always the best way to progress.

[@rpmfoto]

Perhaps a typo in one of your graphics. It said “Shaggy Leg!” Or am I missing something? 😂

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Auto correct got us again 🤦‍♂️😆

[@surfspear]

A little confused ? hit into a firm left side? So the definition of saggy knees is that you : don’t have any lateral hip action in downswing , lead the trail knee into the ball in front of the trail hip, and or simultaneous back the front hip away from the left knee ( spin the hips). This however doesn’t imply that the front knee must straighten does it? When I look at guys like Nicklaus , Nelson, Watson , Palmer… I could go on… they all appear to maintain the flex in the target knee. In simple terms if you load correctly and then shift laterally with the pelvis, it’s going to be pretty difficult to get the trail knee in front of the trail hip since it has already separated from it. Now the question is what causes this? Well assuming we have correctly wound up, would then the push off the back leg laterally, and rolling off the inside of the trail foot,? will that automatically bring the trail thigh down and bring the trail Knee in line with the hip as you said? So the footwork may have more to do with this than anything else? You told us not to squat for the downswing but then say that the right thigh lowers by sinking? Nicklaus , Mickey Wrigjt rolled the ankles. However even though the target hip rotates in the forward swing , it doesn’t seem to necessitate a straightening of the front knee. If the action is mirror like , the backswing trail knee doesn’t straighten fully. Also when you’re faced with the downhill shot , are you still going to let the knee extend upwards ? Seems like that wouldn’t fit the shot. Thanks for the excellent video though- always good info.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏻. If you’ll go through it again I think you’ll see where we talk about, demonstrate, and show how/when the pelvis moves laterally. It does for every good swing we’ve seen 👍

[@freddym6643]

I've heard you advice the feel "let the knees switch" on the downswing a few times before, but that doesn't look like what's happening here. Or have I misunderstood the advice?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yessir, still the same advice. We even mention in this video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIGwfGiPoNp8pa8si=YF-FrZDh0zF3b3Xd&t=147. It just means the lead knee goes from the 2X bend it has at the top (compared to address) to very little bend at impact... while the trail knee is going from roughly the same bend at the top it started with to more bend at impact. At a point in the downswing, while the lead knee is losing bend and the trail knee gaining it, they will have the same bend as they are "switching."

[@freddym6643]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Ok then it makes sense. I thought you meant for them to literally switch places. So driving the trail knee forward to where the lead knee was at the end of the back swing.

[@pendodave4661]

I'm bow legged 😢 So my knees never really live up with anything. Maybe get a suitable model (J. Wayne?) To do a drill for me!