How to get PGA Tour Level LEAD ARM DEPTH & ROTATION 🌪

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

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[@andrewmccoll6396]

OMG. This is one of the most significant pieces of information I have seen. This totally transformed my concept of the backswing. This is kind of buried among all the information out there. As you say this is a game changer!

[@wallstreetoneil]

I found your channel 2+ year ago and made this change to my swing - where-in I only move the club in my backswing with my BACK (no arms) - and then have an additional 'tiny' bit arms feeling at the very end. I went from a 12 handicap to 5 almost immediately. I've helped many guys on the range with this very idea - and I can agree with you, I have never come across a single range practicer that turns the club with their back - it's ALL arms and way too much arms. Your 8 inches vs 20 inches is a perfect stat to quote going forwards. Awesome!

[@golfgrouch]

GEARS is a true game changer for golf instruction. Thanks AMG for the excellent work utilizing this tool to teach the proper golf swing mechanics to the masses! 🙏🏿

[@nelsonjames1272]

I’ll say it once again, you guys have the best stuff for a wide range of golfers.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We're fortunate to work with a wide range of golfers and we love sharing what we see in those lessons. Thanks for watching!

[@blackstrat87]

This was an all time Emmy winner. Importantly, you confirmed something I discovered in my swing several months ago. I had started to rotate my rear hip so that it was (the feel) directly behind my rear heal on the backswing, Then my magic move was to feel a squat (Sam Snead) to unwind the hip allowing me to forget the arms altogether.. .This produced great ball contact and moved my divot in front of the ball. I had noticed as a by product (and now your video corrects my thinking that this by product is anything but): it is the most important product. I have never hit the ball as solidly and cleanly. The result is that keeping the arms within the torso on the backswing (as you point out) which is critical, can be accomplished by the rotation of the hips on the takeaway. You guys are fantastic and really simplify what otherwise is an almost impossible task to master -- Golf.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

I wonder who we can submit that Emmy vote to? 😍. Glad it confirmed what you discovered! Great job!

[@dominicxiong4901]

This is Jim Waldron’s “Arm Swing Illusion” illustrated with Gears 3D. Love it.

[@sactownjoey]

You did another longer instructional video on this a while back that included really detailed comparison of that lead arm angle to the upper body throughout the swing, comparing pros and ams. It was an absolute game changer for me. You guys are the only ones who have gone into any kind of detail on this really important issue. Thank you!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome to hear and glad they helped! Very few have the ability to measure this and we're glad to be able to share it. Thanks for watching!

[@stephanjepards8148]

Same for me. That earlier video with the details of lead arm to upper body angles throughout the swing absolutely transformed my idea of the swing and made everything much simpler for me. Thanks guys!

[@Matthew-of9sp]

Totally agree. The only one I've seen teach this is Jim Waldron and 'the arm swing illusion'. And the only reason I came across it was they named dropped him and the title of his book in another video.

[@wallstreetoneil]

completely agree - that video and these GEARS demos should honestly be shown to the entire golfing world

[@rodneypascual]

ditto

[@krhoden82]

Crazy that this is 1) such a common issue 2) so critical to a good swing, and 3) probably the last thing people are working on. No wonder golf is so hard to most people. Great work guys!!

[@chrischampion727]

One of the best vids you guys have ever put out! 🙌🏼 As I’ve lost a little flexibility with age (52) I’ve fallen into a bad habit of making a “fake turn” to get that deep hands look from down the line. It’s caused a flip at impact and high ballooning iron shots. I knew I was doing it but seeing it in 3D finally made the light bulb come on! 💡 Thanks for this post!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

45ish seems to be the age where that starts to happen. We're glad it helped. Let us know if there's anything we can make to help your game.

[@seanlawler8076]

I've been tuning just about everything else except what you guys discussed. Made a substantial difference. It allowed me to forget about 5 other things. Good talk. Great day at the range.

[@toddhill8070]

You guys are utterly phenomenal!! I learn from every video you put out...Thank you for bringing technology in to play and bringing truth instead of what has "always been". This makes so much sense when you're in the down swing...and it eliminates the over mental processing of trying to make it all happen in that 1/4 second

[@johnyi1994]

this was so educational! I learned a ton about the lead arm mechanics, especially when you showed the 3D swings. Looking forward to the next one!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, glad it helped! Is there a topic we could cover that would help your game?

[@cubfan69kmz85]

I have been reading and watching golf instructional material since I first grabbed a club when I was 10. I remember taking my dads golf digest into the backyard and swinging the club into positions I saw in the magazine. I have this sick feeling that I was already destroying my swing at 10 years old. This stuff you guys put out is so eye opening and in some cases depressing because I feel like I have to almost forget a lot of the info on the golf swing that I thought was correct. Unfortunately, at 53 yrs old i don’t have the flexibility and strength I had when I was young. However, better late then never. Keep the info coming, guys!

[@robbosch3449]

Absolutely terrific stuff. Shaun calls it a game changer, and I can't argue with him. This has me rethinking my golf swing already. Thanks as always for your detailed analysis!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It was a game changer for my swing as well. This is especially common with golfers over 45. Thanks for the kind words!

[@tarcese]

Such a valuable video. Big light bulb moment for me. Looking forward to taking this to the range.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Let us know how it goes.

[@TrumpetBiz]

Thank you. Been chasing different fixes to get rid of my early extension. This simple explanation that I'm moving my lead arm way too far across my body like everyone else lol. Shortening it, wow, what a difference. Great video Shaun and Mike.

[@1cleandude]

Awesome video guys thanks so much for all your effort! Really an eye opening concept!🙏🙏🙏

[@jeffadams9975]

This one thing NO OTHER instructor has taught online!! Great information!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It's a big deal and we'll keep beating the drum until it's not🙂

[@77bovi]

Jim Waldron has been at it for years. The arm swing illusion. But tbh Gears is the game changer.

[@eddien9634]

You guys provide some of the absolute best golf swing concepts and facts in the business! I'm so lucky to have stumbled across your channel, and will never look back. Thanks a million for all that you do!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you so much!!

[@naterichardson8169]

Soooooo the young dude looks like a serial killer...... Awsome awsome awsome golf instructions from these boys. No bullshit,no side talkin', just facts. Thanks guys. I love the chemistry these guys have. It's definitely what makes y'all different from everybody else. They love it and are interested in it and it shows on tape.

[@johnpetersons6527]

I'm new to golf and after a month and a half of playing and practice I think this channel has been the most helpful for identifying problems with my swing. Last time I played I almost broke 100 and a lot of that is thanks to you guys.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Nope, that’s all you man! Great playing, keep it up 👏

[@reenman50]

This is one of your best instructional videos I've seen. Your explanations are simple to understand and execute!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks! Is there anything we can make to help your swing?

[@justjames1111]

Another Eye Opener. Just a great and really clear visual of the tricking of the eye that the camera makes. Thanks Guys.

[@georgetinwick3450]

You guys are so knowledgeable and helpful its mind blowing tks for all you do for all of us

[@Jdeneik]

It’s amazing to me that this channel has only 194K subscribers? Should have 900K+

[@jwfriend6952]

By watching you guys I was shooting my best rounds. Got sucked into other channels and fell hardcore. I’m back to stay.

[@SACThailand]

The best info ever! Period!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you! Anything we can make to help your game?

[@Philip-mm3dy]

WOW, You guys find all the good stuff to show people !!! You guys Rock

[@tkennedt]

Once again Great Job guys! I had a golftec instructor tell me to get my hands behind my right heal at the top of the swing. Ended up with back pain bc lower body was never addressed as well, so I wasn’t turning properly to get there. So, of course I was coming across my chest trying to get there while not allowing the right knee to straighten. SMH. Thank God for you guys!

[@malcolmparker2243]

Hi Shaun & Mike, I'm a RH golfer and after watching this Video i just simply raised my Right arm up to 90 deg out in front of me and what and eye opener it just blow my mind cheers

[@vvitamind7772]

I know this is a older video but it was mind blowing and immediately helped with contact and swinging over the top. Such a great tip 🤙🏼

[@willchulamanis-vd8bq]

This was such an eye opener to me. I thought making a full turn included BOTH the shoulders AND the arms across the chest. Big mistake! This is the stuck move you hear about which makes it so difficult to get back to impact without standing up. You have to early release in this scenario. When I tried to keep my arms in front of my body it didn’t feel powerful at first because I wasn’t used to turning my shoulders fully which you need to do. Plus I had an inside takeaway which kills this move by dragging your arms across your chest. You can see from the overhead views in this video there has to be an opening/gap between the arms so you can bounce your left arm against your chest on the downswing. Once you master this move with the re-centering move the AMG guys coined your ball will fly off the clubface like a rocket. Thanks Fellas…. you guys are the best!

[@albertogarcia9995]

Great video Mike and Shawn. You guys are good!!!

[@mikeschick8461]

Great video for the average guy. I will pass this on to my golfing friends. Thank you.

[@tyhuffman7]

Holy S***! This is amazing! Love all of your videos, but this one is a game changer!!! Thanks guys!

[@Galaka100]

So basically, as an older golfer, I’m struggling a bit to get my shoulder turn to 90°. But what I think I’m seeing is that so long as my arms don’t move past my right shoulder it’s still coherent even if I’m losing some distance with my lesser shoulder turn. You guys are awesome.

[@alabinibop]

Check out one of their other videos mate...blew my mind!!!!

[@dnailit385]

true. but!!!! remember, with better contact, attack angle, dynamic loft or shaft lean.... you inherit more distance naturally not necessarily with more swing speed. this is because more force is applied to the ball.

[@TJ-pf6sj]

A real eye opener! Notice this makes it easier to keep the left arm straight at the top too.

[@GolfTechie79]

Not a part of the swing i've ever paid much attention to, but it makes complete sense to control arm depth, amazing analysis guys!

[@MickyMondstein]

What the hell is wrong with those two guys who gave this video a thumbs down...?! Keep up the great work, love it. THX!

[@MsRocketRoy]

There are a lot of fools out there...

[@johnflorio3052]

Probably (1) a Mike Austin devotee and (2) one of those stack and tilt cultists.

[@MrPoopybutthole_bro]

Philistines

[@13edw]

😆😆😆

[@martindubreuil7751]

Happy to know that I am part of the 100%. Great explanations of why filming your swing and trying to match Mcllroy is a problem. Thanks again.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

So true!

[@aidanburrows4177]

Wow - fantastic video and insight. Thank you.

[@jeffstreet7763]

As others have said here, this is a great analysis and great confirmation of what I have found and have been working on for some time now.

[@steveperry1344]

i've seen some other videos on youtube about the backswing illusion and you guys really had a good discussion and info about it. now if i can break my bad habits.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

💪🏻💪🏻

[@seanmccarthy6029]

The best information on golf!

[@vanrenick334]

Great video! When I shortned my arm swing to keep it within that range of motion, I immediately felt the absence of the bounce/rebound I often get from overswinging my arms to gain depth. I also felt the club drop or shallow in transition naturally, partially because, I think, that I was able to keep my arms more relaxed going back since I didn't have to try and muscle them into a deeper position as I normally do. This really helped my understand the backswing better. Thanks, guys.

[@dabaumga]

This is such a great video! Thanks guys!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for watching! Anything we make to help your swing?

[@alabinibop]

You guys are so underappreciated. Thanks 👍☺️

[@tylerkreim1770]

Great video guys. Thanks his 💯 nailed my problems from last year.

[@daventhegreat]

Wow, that so not what I thought it was like. Gr8 video. Thanks s&m :-)

[@theresas2732]

14:34 dude has 90 degrees of torso turn at left are parallel! My Lord! Maybe that'd be a good exaggeration drill for those of trying to achieve, the quote that I think sums up this whole amazing video, "compact arm swing [adduction] with a big [torso] turn." Brilliant as always, gents.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

thanks for the great comment :)

[@ReedServices]

Thanks for adding the video version of the Podcast!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for listening and watching!

[@sixstringbuddy]

Wow! This video is eye opening in so many ways!! Great job!

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Oh boy this is hard work! So much easier to use the hands and arms and hit 200 balls a day. I used to do this with scores anywhere from 70 all the way up to 90! I found a good way to practice this is to wear many layers (5) which keeps the arms less mobile forcing you to get power from your turn. Its amazing how much more time you feel you have in the through swing.I would add it helps immensely to tilt from the hips properly at address.

[@Anjuuydhjjiskjhyys]

Congrat for 100k subs! Well deserved achievement!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you!

[@garykauffman8618]

Smart analysis, guys!!

[@slingblade37814]

This was eye opening. Thanks for all you guys do.

[@keenanvanzile]

tremendous bit of information fellas... thank you!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks brother!

[@geraldshelton332]

Great lesson I will work on it

[@a.m.9820]

One of your best videos ever. It's amazing how deceptive 2D vs. 3D can be. This info ought to make proper impact position much easier to achieve.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it

[@ILIAD9]

Wow! i just took this concept from the range to the course and did I hit some real nice shots. Played below my handicap for sure. AMG is the best.

[@stephensbubble7333]

The Data is 100% accurate - but it's not enough The GEARS Video is 100% accurate - but it's not enough That highly perceptive, insightful question; which turned on intuitive experience and commitment to teaching - THAT elevated Golf instruction to its true Art Form. The injuries this teaching can prevent makes it essential knowledge for every qualifying PGA Professional. Golf ⛳ has been advanced.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for the kind words, but we just hope it helps golfer hit better shots😊

[@MsRocketRoy]

What great advice, I tried this this morning and for some reason the ball flew long and straight. I also shortened my swing like a Rham type swing. Joy!! Thanks again guys, the best intelligent advice on the You tube.

[@MN-Unicorn]

This concept combined with another of your videos where you show how little the trail arm bends (less than 90 degrees) really drives home the point of keeping the arms in front of the body on the backswing.

[@CoryLancasterYT]

Didn't understand this until the last 10 seconds! This is one the watch and re-watch!

[@MikeSmith-oy9qk]

Thanks for an excellent video! The Gears material is clear and persuasive. Love it when the advice is to make the swing easier. (Minor point: you stress throughout the illusions created by 2-d cameras, but you begin with a promo of a camera...)

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Cameras are never going away, but knowing how to use them and set them up determines their usefulness. You can use an iPhone camera to see what we're showing here😉

[@tlavery59]

Great video, wonderful information will take it to the range and try to incorporate in my swing. Also do you happen to have any videos that discuss the balance and weight in your feet as you come into impact and follow through I seem to be finding myself being on my left toes at impact and want to make the proper adjustment to be stacked over my ankle to turn freely.

[@markoj4971]

Eye opener, another great discussion!!

[@SteveN-df3xy]

very interesting video ! How much of the difference in Pro's and Am's is a function of shoulder mobility ? Seems to me you need good trail shoulder mobility to get the Pro's positions you show on the backswing

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

From age 6 through 82, we haven't yet seen a golfer who didn't have the shoulder mobility to not do this. I've had the good fortune of two shoulder surgeries (October most recently) and still have plenty of mobility to do this. It actually takes more mobility to do this poorly 🙂

[@stevebeskid4398]

Great stuff!!

[@inova11901]

You guys are the best. Incredible. Between this and previous videos, especially getting the hands down from the top, have helped me immensely. A game changer. My understanding of the swing and enjoyment of the game have gone up immeasurably. Where were you 20 years ago?

[@chipolonie]

Great video. This makes me think I should religiously practice Nick Faldos preset drill where he sets the wrists and moved the arms the 10” across the body then makes a backswing from this position. Thank you for all your great content.

[@michaelvonlehe1260]

Excellent video!

[@zachstephens5777]

Great Stuff!! This is eye opening to say the least and pretty much described my takeaway (throwing the arms across chest) and the feel I have the rest of swing and especially at impact (flippy/slappy).. as a former baseball player and a handsy hitter I’ve always struggled with the start of golf swing because I manipulate the club so much with my hands plus starting from a static position is difficult (coming from a rhythm timing based start)... always good to see what is “actually” happening instead of what you THINK you see... Now to go figure it out!! Thx again!!

[@joeditzelgolf8305]

Really insightful and enlightening. Great stuff.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you!!!

[@gilbertamthor5098]

I wish you guys were closer to me. I am 61 yr old plus 2 at Grayhawk in Scottsdale. I really like the way you teach. I use alot of your ideas with my tennis also. You have helped my forehand a ton.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

love it! We may come out and do a school this year

[@dannyf1133]

What an eye opener, great stuff guys 👊🏼

[@jgrudenicstrumpet4369]

This definitely is a game changer. I’ve watched your other videos and put these moves into action, I am seeing an effortless swing, with more consistency and power. I understand how it works. Thanks for letting people know that we are all different when it comes to our bodies and how they function, basically not to compare ourselves to another. I would be curious, have you guys ever tried to analyze Moe Normans swing. He’s a good example of how he appeared to be different, but I bet if we look we will see the principles you have taught are there. Either way thanks for this content. It has made a huge difference for the good.

[@핀빨]

absolutely agree. we do shoulder flexion! no abduction. in upswing, no back swing.

[@mtplayer8421]

Love the way you guys teach.

[@robbarker8095]

Brilliant. I was the guy that asked about this on the last video and you said you were talking about it on your next pod. This is exactly what I was asking about and brilliantly explained. I guess the next question, without gears or a 3D system how do you know what you're doing as even live view is a 2D representation on a fixed plane?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Have a buddy stand in front of you (face on view) and hold the camera up high as close to 90 degrees to your plane as possible. You should be able to get pretty close to seeing where you are at the top from that view.

[@robbarker8095]

@@AthleticMotionGolf living in Britain with social distancing means everyone is 2m away anyway hahaha

[@petegalindez9961]

Great video as usual guys. Based on your inputs, I’m convincing my wife to forego our kids’ college funding and getting the Gearz (sp?) system set up in our house. I know that’s the missing link between me and breaking par! LOL. This was a great video. For me, due to having had my left shoulder surgically repaired, I cannot get my left arm past my right shoulder if I tried, so that’s good to know I can stop trying!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

haha Gears is your secret weapon!

[@rufussthoo4083]

But you didn't ask me. I would have been the exception. I knew the 'correct' answer, honest ... because I've already watched a ton of your videos 😊 Your GEARS stuff, in particular, has helped me gain a far better (clearer and more accurate) understanding of the golf swing, and contributed to a 10 stroke reduction in my handicap over the past year. Have I said "thanks" yet? No? Ooops. Thanks guys 👍👍👍

[@JFRKPI]

Great Video, thank you very much!

[@radlerjr]

Wow. You guys do incredible work. Can't wait until my next online lesson!

[@gilbertamthor5098]

Great content. I am going to guess that was rory or JR? Does anyone keep the hands in front or right shoulder better than john rahm?

[@georgetinwick3450]

Awesome info what happens if we keep our arms from moving in at all which is what i believe iam doing after watching this info i think i bought keeping the hands in front of the chest to literally tks

[@meadowsgolf]

Love it... now... is there a similar correlation on the release of the club? E.g. How much of a problem is drawing the right arm (for a right handed golfer) across the chest post impact? Seems that using that trail arm to release the club instead of coordinating good rotation through impact can cause a great deal of trouble... I'd love to see that half of the swing on gears... e.g. trail arm release and rotation... Thanks!

[@sirtogii5216]

Super interesting guys! Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks brother!

[@halwal24]

Well done! Thanks for sharing.

[@davidpoore5480]

Awesome info. It would seem I need to figure out how to video my swing from overhead. Based on this video arm depth is very much a product of spine/hip flexibility to be ble to make the deep turn. If I can't turn that much, then what to generate club head speed?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Trying to get a "deep turn" is usually where the problem begins. Try to have the arms in the correct place, then let your turn be the determining factor for the depth. "Deep" is not a requirement for speed or good golf. But having things synched up for the downswing is!

[@davidpoore5480]

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated!

[@stevethornton6771]

Love this I struggle with collapsing my arms. Don’t do it on the practice swing but do when there is a ball there. Any other tips on this would be great.

[@juanodonnell]

nice follow-up to a previous video of yours on the lead arm relativo to center of body. in this case it would have been great if you had draw some angles of the left wrist to center of spine to see HOY MUCH arms have stayed in front or just behind address position. keep on the gears videos!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We have a video that has those lines in it😉

[@Bogeypro256]

In regards to the hands being right angle to the shoulder rod: That perpendicular line you drew from shoulder line to hands, does it stay the same distance from the head or does it move farther down the shoulder and line as the shoulders turn? Seems like at address, it's closer to the head and farther from the head at the top of the backswing.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

That will depend on a few other factors. Main thing is to control where the hands are relative to the trail shoulder.

[@lightricitywoodworking3103]

Best training advice ever!

[@ucholsin5602]

That is some amazing stuff! Wow!

[@woodmo530]

At about 14:12 when you are showing the 2nd pro swing from overhead, you have the shoulder line drawn almost vertical, but if you look at the back of the shoulders, they aren't turned as much as you have drawn the line. The line makes the shoulders look like they have turned more than they really have and that changes the relationship of where the hands are to the actual shoulder line.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Look at the yellow line before we draw the red line over it. That is the shoulder line from the actual 3D capture which marks the center of the shoulders. What we’re showing here is the correct shoulder line and relative hand location.

[@markplewacki746]

That was eye opening!

[@Ibizassini]

Great content! With the natural body angles when the lead arm lifts up the hand/wrist moves inside so as the backswing has some lift action probably best to feel like the lead arm doesn’t move inside at all right?

[@lltb67]

Great video! If every golfer adhered to this and matched their arm swing with their turn handicaps worldwide will plummet. Wish you could make a hologram of these motions and put your body on a screen with a pro golfer similar to your body structure and have it signal you when you exceed any of the parameters in the swing!