How to get PGA Tour Level LEAD ARM DEPTH & ROTATION 🌪

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

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[@wallstreetoneil]

I found your channel 2+ year ago and made this change to my swing - where-in I only move the club in my backswing with my BACK (no arms) - and then have an additional 'tiny' bit arms feeling at the very end. I went from a 12 handicap to 5 almost immediately. I've helped many guys on the range with this very idea - and I can agree with you, I have never come across a single range practicer that turns the club with their back - it's ALL arms and way too much arms. Your 8 inches vs 20 inches is a perfect stat to quote going forwards. Awesome!

[@andrewmccoll6396]

OMG. This is one of the most significant pieces of information I have seen. This totally transformed my concept of the backswing. This is kind of buried among all the information out there. As you say this is a game changer!

[@dominicxiong4901]

This is Jim Waldron’s “Arm Swing Illusion” illustrated with Gears 3D. Love it.

[@chrischampion727]

One of the best vids you guys have ever put out! 🙌🏼 As I’ve lost a little flexibility with age (52) I’ve fallen into a bad habit of making a “fake turn” to get that deep hands look from down the line. It’s caused a flip at impact and high ballooning iron shots. I knew I was doing it but seeing it in 3D finally made the light bulb come on! 💡 Thanks for this post!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

45ish seems to be the age where that starts to happen. We're glad it helped. Let us know if there's anything we can make to help your game.

[@nelsonjames1272]

I’ll say it once again, you guys have the best stuff for a wide range of golfers.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We're fortunate to work with a wide range of golfers and we love sharing what we see in those lessons. Thanks for watching!

[@johnyi1994]

this was so educational! I learned a ton about the lead arm mechanics, especially when you showed the 3D swings. Looking forward to the next one!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, glad it helped! Is there a topic we could cover that would help your game?

[@tarcese]

Such a valuable video. Big light bulb moment for me. Looking forward to taking this to the range.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Let us know how it goes.

[@blackstrat87]

This was an all time Emmy winner. Importantly, you confirmed something I discovered in my swing several months ago. I had started to rotate my rear hip so that it was (the feel) directly behind my rear heal on the backswing, Then my magic move was to feel a squat (Sam Snead) to unwind the hip allowing me to forget the arms altogether.. .This produced great ball contact and moved my divot in front of the ball. I had noticed as a by product (and now your video corrects my thinking that this by product is anything but): it is the most important product. I have never hit the ball as solidly and cleanly. The result is that keeping the arms within the torso on the backswing (as you point out) which is critical, can be accomplished by the rotation of the hips on the takeaway. You guys are fantastic and really simplify what otherwise is an almost impossible task to master -- Golf.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

I wonder who we can submit that Emmy vote to? 😍. Glad it confirmed what you discovered! Great job!

[@sactownjoey]

You did another longer instructional video on this a while back that included really detailed comparison of that lead arm angle to the upper body throughout the swing, comparing pros and ams. It was an absolute game changer for me. You guys are the only ones who have gone into any kind of detail on this really important issue. Thank you!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome to hear and glad they helped! Very few have the ability to measure this and we're glad to be able to share it. Thanks for watching!

[@stephanjepards8148]

Same for me. That earlier video with the details of lead arm to upper body angles throughout the swing absolutely transformed my idea of the swing and made everything much simpler for me. Thanks guys!

[@Matthew-of9sp]

Totally agree. The only one I've seen teach this is Jim Waldron and 'the arm swing illusion'. And the only reason I came across it was they named dropped him and the title of his book in another video.

[@wallstreetoneil]

completely agree - that video and these GEARS demos should honestly be shown to the entire golfing world

[@rodneypascual]

ditto

[@prycealderson9352]

When I start downswing, I invariably pin my arms to my chest from the torque. This defeats any good position I establish at the top of backswing.

[@AS-bp1cq]

Is second golfer Rory?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

That was my first impression also - Rory. The total of 120° of Shoulder (Torso) Turn is the main reason Rory can generate 100 mph Clubhead Speed with a 7 Iron.

[@daventhegreat]

Wow, that so not what I thought it was like. Gr8 video. Thanks s&m :-)

[@Fullkornsglass]

Great video! That's why reversed engineering is a risky business. About that arm depth. Let's say you achieve that top of the backswing. What happens when the torso starts turning in the downswing, doesn't the arms lag behind the body which in turn increases arm depth?

[@robbosch3449]

Absolutely terrific stuff. Shaun calls it a game changer, and I can't argue with him. This has me rethinking my golf swing already. Thanks as always for your detailed analysis!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It was a game changer for my swing as well. This is especially common with golfers over 45. Thanks for the kind words!

[@bjohnson515]

Is that Daniel Craig (007) or Shaun?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Please delete this comment LOL

[@krhoden82]

Crazy that this is 1) such a common issue 2) so critical to a good swing, and 3) probably the last thing people are working on. No wonder golf is so hard to most people. Great work guys!!

[@MickyMondstein]

What the hell is wrong with those two guys who gave this video a thumbs down...?! Keep up the great work, love it. THX!

[@MsRocketRoy]

There are a lot of fools out there...

[@johnflorio3052]

Probably (1) a Mike Austin devotee and (2) one of those stack and tilt cultists.

[@MrPoopybutthole_bro]

Philistines

[@13edw]

😆😆😆

[@Jdeneik]

It’s amazing to me that this channel has only 194K subscribers? Should have 900K+

[@MN-Unicorn]

This concept combined with another of your videos where you show how little the trail arm bends (less than 90 degrees) really drives home the point of keeping the arms in front of the body on the backswing.

[@Anjuuydhjjiskjhyys]

Congrat for 100k subs! Well deserved achievement!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you!

[@seanlawler8076]

I've been tuning just about everything else except what you guys discussed. Made a substantial difference. It allowed me to forget about 5 other things. Good talk. Great day at the range.

[@OpaKnows]

So the big take away from this talk is, IF you can achieve the same amount of range of motion, THEN this is the position (in space) your hands should be in. I can get my hands around my trail shoulder, but they’re nowhere near as high, because I can’t rotate as much. And that’s okay.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

The first golfer has a limited range of motion, but still gets the hand correct, and still wins at the highest level. I'd bet a dozen 🍩 you have as much or more than him🙂

[@OpaKnows]

@@AthleticMotionGolf I guarantee I have far less range of motion. If I want to raise my lead arm above my shoulder, I have to physically pull it up with my trail arm, all the while experiencing a high level of pain. I'm talking about multiple surgeries just to put me back together again. Unless this multiple-wins-on-tour guy has been shot and blown up a couple times, there's no comparison here. Don't make a bet you can't win, unless you're feeling charitable. I'm not too proud to accept charity.

[@edwardsroba]

Can anyone help me on this? How do you achieve this without disconnecting the left arm from your torso? When I try it, feels like I am lifting my arms directly in front of me. If for example I tried to keep a towel between arm and torso (to feel connected), it would immediately drop out. I totally understand the concept, and know I am hugely guilty of swinging my arms across my chest (resulting in a horrible over the top downswing and flip), but don’t seem to be able to work out how to achieve this. Despite this, I’ve managed to get down to an index of 6, but desperately want to change.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

"Connection" is one of the most misapplied terms in golf. I think a better way of practicing this is to make this correct arm movement, then let that be your new feel for "connection." Keeping a towel under your arm is not a good barometer for connection.

[@edwardsroba]

@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks guys, really appreciate you taking the time to respond. Have you posted any videos with specific drills to achieve the correct position?

[@TrumpetBiz]

Thank you. Been chasing different fixes to get rid of my early extension. This simple explanation that I'm moving my lead arm way too far across my body like everyone else lol. Shortening it, wow, what a difference. Great video Shaun and Mike.

[@SteveN-df3xy]

very interesting video ! How much of the difference in Pro's and Am's is a function of shoulder mobility ? Seems to me you need good trail shoulder mobility to get the Pro's positions you show on the backswing

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

From age 6 through 82, we haven't yet seen a golfer who didn't have the shoulder mobility to not do this. I've had the good fortune of two shoulder surgeries (October most recently) and still have plenty of mobility to do this. It actually takes more mobility to do this poorly 🙂

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Oh boy this is hard work! So much easier to use the hands and arms and hit 200 balls a day. I used to do this with scores anywhere from 70 all the way up to 90! I found a good way to practice this is to wear many layers (5) which keeps the arms less mobile forcing you to get power from your turn. Its amazing how much more time you feel you have in the through swing.I would add it helps immensely to tilt from the hips properly at address.

[@1cleandude]

Awesome video guys thanks so much for all your effort! Really an eye opening concept!🙏🙏🙏

[@meadowsgolf]

Love it... now... is there a similar correlation on the release of the club? E.g. How much of a problem is drawing the right arm (for a right handed golfer) across the chest post impact? Seems that using that trail arm to release the club instead of coordinating good rotation through impact can cause a great deal of trouble... I'd love to see that half of the swing on gears... e.g. trail arm release and rotation... Thanks!

[@SACThailand]

The best info ever! Period!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thank you! Anything we can make to help your game?

[@toddhill8070]

You guys are utterly phenomenal!! I learn from every video you put out...Thank you for bringing technology in to play and bringing truth instead of what has "always been". This makes so much sense when you're in the down swing...and it eliminates the over mental processing of trying to make it all happen in that 1/4 second

[@ToddHudsonAtl]

Wow. I feel like Robert De Niro in "Awakenings". Can't wait to try this!!!

[@TRaddcliff]

I like this 👍🏾 I also like seeing where the club face is in all these different angles. the 15:00 mark...looks like that equates a broken back. holy sh** 😬

[@willchulamanis-vd8bq]

This was such an eye opener to me. I thought making a full turn included BOTH the shoulders AND the arms across the chest. Big mistake! This is the stuck move you hear about which makes it so difficult to get back to impact without standing up. You have to early release in this scenario. When I tried to keep my arms in front of my body it didn’t feel powerful at first because I wasn’t used to turning my shoulders fully which you need to do. Plus I had an inside takeaway which kills this move by dragging your arms across your chest. You can see from the overhead views in this video there has to be an opening/gap between the arms so you can bounce your left arm against your chest on the downswing. Once you master this move with the re-centering move the AMG guys coined your ball will fly off the clubface like a rocket. Thanks Fellas…. you guys are the best!

[@zachstephens5777]

Great Stuff!! This is eye opening to say the least and pretty much described my takeaway (throwing the arms across chest) and the feel I have the rest of swing and especially at impact (flippy/slappy).. as a former baseball player and a handsy hitter I’ve always struggled with the start of golf swing because I manipulate the club so much with my hands plus starting from a static position is difficult (coming from a rhythm timing based start)... always good to see what is “actually” happening instead of what you THINK you see... Now to go figure it out!! Thx again!!

[@Far2hip]

OK, so before I go any further, if you asked me to put my arms in a backswing position, but keep my torso facing forward with no rotation, personally I would lift up and slightly to the right. From what I’ve established working to get myself into a position to make a good solid strike down on that ball, I lift my arms up. If I pull back in any substantial way, everything goes to crap, especially consistency in ball flight. If I rotate and lift up toward my top of the backswing, I hit that call straight with excellent ball flight every single time. Let’s see what you guys say now, lol. (Hitting play button😁) 😎😎😎

[@tkennedt]

Once again Great Job guys! I had a golftec instructor tell me to get my hands behind my right heal at the top of the swing. Ended up with back pain bc lower body was never addressed as well, so I wasn’t turning properly to get there. So, of course I was coming across my chest trying to get there while not allowing the right knee to straighten. SMH. Thank God for you guys!

[@qubit1018]

So I’ve been trying to pin my lead arm against my chest in the backswing for years...not good. 😖

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Never too late to stop dong that 🙂

[@Galaka100]

So basically, as an older golfer, I’m struggling a bit to get my shoulder turn to 90°. But what I think I’m seeing is that so long as my arms don’t move past my right shoulder it’s still coherent even if I’m losing some distance with my lesser shoulder turn. You guys are awesome.

[@alabinibop]

Check out one of their other videos mate...blew my mind!!!!

[@dnailit385]

true. but!!!! remember, with better contact, attack angle, dynamic loft or shaft lean.... you inherit more distance naturally not necessarily with more swing speed. this is because more force is applied to the ball.

[@jackarmstrong1838]

So, to take this further, if you DONT have a huge turn, many amateurs are overcompsating by having their arms continue moving AFTER the turn has stopped. If you just turn to your natural maximum, your arrms stop when your turn stops, in a "proper motion"?

[@ntbohl]

I literally cannot make the rotation of golfer #2 happen even with a second person helping me turn my shoulders. Unreal. I guess I need yoga?

[@michaeldasilva6753]

The lead arm shouldn't move itself across the chest. It's the trail arm bend, pulling the elbow towards the body that move the hands to trail side of the chest. The lead arm just stays straight. Unless the trail arm bend is excessive (it shouldn't be), this motion should keep the hands in front of the chest. The arm bend movement should be easy to repeat and to reverse. During the downswing simply straighten your trail arm at impact. At least that's how I understand it. Thanks for the great content!

[@petegalindez9961]

Great video as usual guys. Based on your inputs, I’m convincing my wife to forego our kids’ college funding and getting the Gearz (sp?) system set up in our house. I know that’s the missing link between me and breaking par! LOL. This was a great video. For me, due to having had my left shoulder surgically repaired, I cannot get my left arm past my right shoulder if I tried, so that’s good to know I can stop trying!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

haha Gears is your secret weapon!

[@prycealderson9352]

OMG…I’m another one of those 100% wrong guys! I sling it across my body so I can get depth and speed. I SO wish I had access to your gear info for my swing.

[@thurlestonetennis2447]

Light bulb moment for us all, but save 10.5 minutes and miss the ads and prologue to get to the meat.

[@tlavery59]

Great video, wonderful information will take it to the range and try to incorporate in my swing. Also do you happen to have any videos that discuss the balance and weight in your feet as you come into impact and follow through I seem to be finding myself being on my left toes at impact and want to make the proper adjustment to be stacked over my ankle to turn freely.

[@stevec9673]

That second person has to be DJ... only he has that absurd looking depth haha. How come AMG doesn't disclose the identities?

[@mikeschick8461]

Great video for the average guy. I will pass this on to my golfing friends. Thank you.

[@tylerkreim1770]

Great video guys. Thanks his 💯 nailed my problems from last year.

[@alvermeil5884]

Is there a drill or check point for us so we can improve it?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

There's always a drill, lol. Stop at left arm parallel going back and see where your hands are relative to your chest. They should be just behind your center line. From there it's just a small turn to the top (without a pull from the arms).

[@alvermeil5884]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Thank you very much.

[@reggielee9339]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Is it possible to post a face on picture of this so we can visualize where the hands are relative to the chest at parallel? It would really help if we could see the proper position.

[@jeffstreet7763]

As others have said here, this is a great analysis and great confirmation of what I have found and have been working on for some time now.

[@gilbertamthor5098]

Great content. I am going to guess that was rory or JR? Does anyone keep the hands in front or right shoulder better than john rahm?

[@jamesrobinson3993]

So the pro you asked I’m assuming did the same move but 10 inches less?

[@georgetinwick3450]

Awesome info what happens if we keep our arms from moving in at all which is what i believe iam doing after watching this info i think i bought keeping the hands in front of the chest to literally tks

[@jeffadams9975]

This one thing NO OTHER instructor has taught online!! Great information!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It's a big deal and we'll keep beating the drum until it's not🙂

[@77bovi]

Jim Waldron has been at it for years. The arm swing illusion. But tbh Gears is the game changer.

[@Philip-mm3dy]

WOW, You guys find all the good stuff to show people !!! You guys Rock

[@1upadventures]

Sounds familiar (Bill in Virginia). It all made perfect sense to me. Mike got me on that question as well (not the 100% group I wanted to be in). Feels weird as hell, hopefully only until it becomes the norm. Good video for many people!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Haha it gets everybody!

[@aidanburrows4177]

Wow - fantastic video and insight. Thank you.

[@joe59golfer]

I know that for the two pro golfers that you highlighted in gears that the hands didn't get past that perpendicular line to the shoulder line, but I have been looking at video swings of others (not in gears though) and I've seen quite a few of the pros' hands that seem to get past line. Does this good lead arm hand position occur for an extremely high percentage of tour pros, or is it just a preferred position to be in?

[@shaunwebb6900]

The point of the video is that it’s not something you can see with video unless the camera was moved to position that would allow you to see it correctly.

[@laflare1297]

Who were the golfers?!

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

They never "identify" the Pros. Pretty sure it's a proprietary restraint due to the Pros "Name Value".

[@essoteric]

Who sent you a video of my swing lol?? :D It's my major backswing fault! Thanks for this insight, in fact I saw your other video on the subject and have gone back to the range to correct it, with almost immediate results in yards gained.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Hahaha glad it helped!

[@albertogarcia9995]

Great video Mike and Shawn. You guys are good!!!

[@dabaumga]

This is such a great video! Thanks guys!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for watching! Anything we make to help your swing?

[@MikeSmith-oy9qk]

Thanks for an excellent video! The Gears material is clear and persuasive. Love it when the advice is to make the swing easier. (Minor point: you stress throughout the illusions created by 2-d cameras, but you begin with a promo of a camera...)

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Cameras are never going away, but knowing how to use them and set them up determines their usefulness. You can use an iPhone camera to see what we're showing here😉

[@juanodonnell]

nice follow-up to a previous video of yours on the lead arm relativo to center of body. in this case it would have been great if you had draw some angles of the left wrist to center of spine to see HOY MUCH arms have stayed in front or just behind address position. keep on the gears videos!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We have a video that has those lines in it😉

[@pieman2010]

Guessing the second pro was Tommy Fleetwood?

[@stephensbubble7333]

The Data is 100% accurate - but it's not enough The GEARS Video is 100% accurate - but it's not enough That highly perceptive, insightful question; which turned on intuitive experience and commitment to teaching - THAT elevated Golf instruction to its true Art Form. The injuries this teaching can prevent makes it essential knowledge for every qualifying PGA Professional. Golf ⛳ has been advanced.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for the kind words, but we just hope it helps golfer hit better shots😊

[@geraldshelton332]

Great lesson I will work on it

[@martindubreuil7751]

Happy to know that I am part of the 100%. Great explanations of why filming your swing and trying to match Mcllroy is a problem. Thanks again.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

So true!

[@Bogeypro256]

In regards to the hands being right angle to the shoulder rod: That perpendicular line you drew from shoulder line to hands, does it stay the same distance from the head or does it move farther down the shoulder and line as the shoulders turn? Seems like at address, it's closer to the head and farther from the head at the top of the backswing.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

That will depend on a few other factors. Main thing is to control where the hands are relative to the trail shoulder.

[@dnailit385]

no!!!!!!!!!!! please don't leave me like this. brains just exploded all over my dashboard😮 there has to be a more in depth😂 explanation to this. I can't go on without you! ......and gears. gonna need you to bring gear to😢 wow ow wow!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

😂

[@theresasaso2732]

14:34 dude has 90 degrees of torso turn at left are parallel! My Lord! Maybe that'd be a good exaggeration drill for those of trying to achieve, the quote that I think sums up this whole amazing video, "compact arm swing [adduction] with a big [torso] turn." Brilliant as always, gents.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

thanks for the great comment :)

[@Rich-in6ds]

I see this and my immediate reaction is: how do they avoid launching the club head out in front of them immediately in the downswing with so little depth? We shallow by lowering the arms, right? If I lower the arms from this position it’s like I’m chopping wood and the club launches out over the swing plane line. I’m definitely guilty of getting the arms too across my chest in the backswing but it’s so that I can start the downswing with a move AWAY from the ball which shallows the club. I’m sure this is 100% correct but there must surely be something else that goes with it.

[@edwardsroba]

Try it. You’ll be amazed. You still have depth, only it comes through turn, and not arms

[@GSALG216]

You guys can just make these 17 minute videos into 6.

[@seanmccarthy6029]

I’ve been working with AMG+ for 8 weeks now and can honestly say that it is the best program for sustainable growth and improvement in the game. You have to be willing to do the work yourself. Put in the time with a system that will help you to understand your personal swing and how to evaluate and maintain it. You should consider joining us. AMG has the best professionals that are committed to help you fix your swing faults. Don’t buy new clubs this year. Invest in your swing knowledge.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for the kind words! We love hearing that you’re enjoying Plus, but most of all, that you’re improving! 👊🙏🏻

[@tommacdonald_official]

Seriously.... man. This will make the swing mechanics SO much easier. Jeez...

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Soooo much easier!

[@reenman50]

This is one of your best instructional videos I've seen. Your explanations are simple to understand and execute!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks! Is there anything we can make to help your swing?

[@JFRKPI]

Great Video, thank you very much!

[@cjsheets24]

What are pro golfers being taught at a younger age by their coaches for them to understand how to properly move and specifically to this topic? I would have a hard time believing they would get into kinesiology. What were golfers being taught before this latest gear technology was available to be able to properly swing a golf club. Trying to understand why pro golfers get it and amateurs don’t

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It’s more about what they’re NOT being taught😉

[@johncreet1254]

Can't beat data to see what's actually happening.

[@mikeship7331]

Is depth the same throughout the bag? Driver?

[@terry-gb4rv]

This is indeed a game changer. I'm wondering if trying to stay connected creates so much stress on the left shoulder (for right handers) that shoulder problems (pain!) will ensue? Sure seems to be the case for me.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Could be!

[@EagleJim62]

I saw a drill related to this where they had a range basket on their chest holding it with the elbows and made 3/4 swings. This kept the arms in front of the body.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Nice!

[@DIOS10]

Guys wish you fix that right arm in the backswing on your model. Looks like a reverse chicken wing. Unless that’s what needs to occur.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We've asked to have that fixed for a while now lol. The good news is that none of the data is collected from the avatar. It's all taken from the actual 30+ markers placed all over the body and club.

[@pnfduffy9109]

Thank You!

[@stevebeskid4398]

Great stuff!!

[@robbarker8095]

Brilliant. I was the guy that asked about this on the last video and you said you were talking about it on your next pod. This is exactly what I was asking about and brilliantly explained. I guess the next question, without gears or a 3D system how do you know what you're doing as even live view is a 2D representation on a fixed plane?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Have a buddy stand in front of you (face on view) and hold the camera up high as close to 90 degrees to your plane as possible. You should be able to get pretty close to seeing where you are at the top from that view.

[@robbarker8095]

@@AthleticMotionGolf living in Britain with social distancing means everyone is 2m away anyway hahaha

[@davidpoore5480]

Awesome info. It would seem I need to figure out how to video my swing from overhead. Based on this video arm depth is very much a product of spine/hip flexibility to be ble to make the deep turn. If I can't turn that much, then what to generate club head speed?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Trying to get a "deep turn" is usually where the problem begins. Try to have the arms in the correct place, then let your turn be the determining factor for the depth. "Deep" is not a requirement for speed or good golf. But having things synched up for the downswing is!

[@davidpoore5480]

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated!

[@steveperry1344]

i've seen some other videos on youtube about the backswing illusion and you guys really had a good discussion and info about it. now if i can break my bad habits.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

💪🏻💪🏻

[@kidwilson3357]

Hi, do you have any players that you teach that we can actually see swing? or can we get the names of the Pros in which you are using gears on?

[@rufussthoo4083]

But you didn't ask me. I would have been the exception. I knew the 'correct' answer, honest ... because I've already watched a ton of your videos 😊 Your GEARS stuff, in particular, has helped me gain a far better (clearer and more accurate) understanding of the golf swing, and contributed to a 10 stroke reduction in my handicap over the past year. Have I said "thanks" yet? No? Ooops. Thanks guys 👍👍👍

[@gunnarjinx]

Aren't those TWO completely different things??? ONE seems to be the "back/behind" movie ... while the other is the UP motion.... swing could be made a whole yard above golfers head without going outside his shoulder inwards from top view ... !! First time i'm half lost with u guys .... would however love to see the camera from 45° angle through his right shoulder into his left elbow at setup and see if his rotation keeps his elbow within that shoulder line from beginning till the top of his swing. Seems to me those professionals all do that more or less (couple maybe lift it way offline though = Wolff at least) .... take care..... luv ya guys ;)))

[@Hutchps]

So down the line, left hand doesn't pass right shoulder?! It stays more connected to sternum than majority emulate.... brilliant! I too have discovered a 'shorter back' swing reigns in my dispersion... and now more work will eliminate flip.... So was this the difference between Rory and Poulter yesterday? I can't help but think Rory in his pursuit of speed and distance has literally reached too far back and has thrown his timing whereas Poulter has always swung within himself, balanced and what I now see as hands connected to chest.... So how does one make improvements... is it merely 'one piece' take away? Thank you!!

[@chipolonie]

Great video. This makes me think I should religiously practice Nick Faldos preset drill where he sets the wrists and moved the arms the 10” across the body then makes a backswing from this position. Thank you for all your great content.

[@dougsuzich7261]

Worked on that today was getting 25 yards more distance and hitting straighter shots

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Well that stinks, lol. Great job!

[@underpargoals9824]

This is probably one of the most common fault that average golfers make. Great video.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

So common!

[@underpargoals9824]

@@AthleticMotionGolf And such a mental hurdle to overcome because it feels weak not whipping the arms behind you.

[@cubfan69kmz85]

I have been reading and watching golf instructional material since I first grabbed a club when I was 10. I remember taking my dads golf digest into the backyard and swinging the club into positions I saw in the magazine. I have this sick feeling that I was already destroying my swing at 10 years old. This stuff you guys put out is so eye opening and in some cases depressing because I feel like I have to almost forget a lot of the info on the golf swing that I thought was correct. Unfortunately, at 53 yrs old i don’t have the flexibility and strength I had when I was young. However, better late then never. Keep the info coming, guys!

[@naterichardson8169]

Soooooo the young dude looks like a serial killer...... Awsome awsome awsome golf instructions from these boys. No bullshit,no side talkin', just facts. Thanks guys. I love the chemistry these guys have. It's definitely what makes y'all different from everybody else. They love it and are interested in it and it shows on tape.

[@malcolmparker2243]

Hi Shaun & Mike, I'm a RH golfer and after watching this Video i just simply raised my Right arm up to 90 deg out in front of me and what and eye opener it just blow my mind cheers

[@nelsonjames1272]

I think I have a descent question. This video is a great example of how looks or feel can be deceiving, especially with the camera. When you look at tilt at address and consider the right hand being lower than the left causing a natural tilt, how much tilt is actually required for iron shots? And if you expand this to hitting up with driver, how much actual tilt is then required? I see some people on here with concerns about hitting the ground and advising more tilt. Can gears help us with this and these? Video? Thanks