How to Give Feedback to an Artist

[@HowardWimshurst]

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[@-Homelander-]

I just saw your "The Genius Behind Naruto's Fight Scene Animations" video and I really liked how you analyzed every movement and frame. I was wondering if you could do the same for Birdy Decode which I think has some of the same qualities. A lot of people also think it inspired Man of Steel's final fight scene (but it's way better than MoS). Here is a clip of one of the fights in case you haven't seen it yet (in japanese without subs so you don't get spoilers): kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3W6p6Svh7iWq7c Thanks for your time

[@bokamososedibana6940]

I immediately stope the vedio and downloaded the app

[@5thgen691]

I can't find your kakashi vs obito video ??

[@edakra369]

I had the honor of sitting in while Carl Potts did a portfolio review for a friend and you've hit everything that he touched on. He never spoke in absolutes. It was always questions in regards to the artist's viewpoints and encouragement. I had nothing to do with anything and even I left the review feeling like a champ.

[@luks303]

Ive just learned how to give good feedback and some animation techniques at the same time

[@jadedbeyond]

This was posted at the exact time that I needed it, thank you! I've only found your channel recently but you help me out tonnes.

[@BAESDart]

i was thinking the same thing

[@tetsyumiizanagi61]

Same

[@DaisyFarm_]

This video was perfect timing actually, someone on a server asked for blunt feedback on their work and this video just popped up. Usually, don't watch these kinds of videos but this was actually helpful thank you!

[@DaisyFarm_]

@Deepest Red Expected you to put that on the chain but this is fine, mind giving me a summary of what he said? Wasn't able to see it since the video got deleted

[@DaisyFarm_]

@Deepest Red Wait sorry, read that wrong

[@Orphanlast]

My biggest frustration with feedback is when it's coming from someone that can't draw to save their life. Like... since someone can't make a decent image now, doesn't mean they won't eventually get better. But when these people say "I don't like this or that", ok, I get it. Maybe there's something there. But where they give advice on how to fix it, I do my best not to stare at them like a deer in headlights or to have my eyes glaze over.

[@RMAnimations]

If their artwork is really that bad, maybe they don't have some of the fundamentals down so you can suggest learning them for improvement. For example: 'Hey I really like the effort you put into this, but there are a couple things I think you should work on for your next piece: you should try using reference, understanding human anatomy, try gesture drawing to get a dynamic pose, try using complementary, monochromatic, ... colour scheme, try stealing another art work's colour scheme, try using [insert famous method here] to draw this out.' obviously don't say too much to make them feel bad but pick out a few key fundamentals theyre missing.

[@LeeMilby]

Sometimes even if they can't make work, a person can still give good feedback. When i was in art school i met an older dude who was a nude model. He had no experience making art, but was around it for years. He gave the best feedback ever! But yeah at the same time there are plenty of people who really have no idea what they're talking about 😂😂

[@appleeyes2643]

Orphanlast Orphanlast The way I think about it is in terms of cooking. Someone may not be able to cook well yet they can still taste: not enough spice or whatever. I apply that to art, so even if they’re not the best artist, you shouldn’t brush their opinion to the side. They can still see if the face is wonky, or if the colours don’t work, idk. They may not have as detailed of an understanding but their opinions do matter. So if they maybe suggest to change something, you should take that on board, just with a grain of salt. Eg: My dad can’t draw, but he told me my faces were off, I worked on it and yep, he was right.

[@Orphanlast]

@@RMAnimations Oh yeah, I tend to give them feedback. And I try to give the sort of feedback I'd appreciate. I just think some of my critiques have been funny more than informative.

[@Orphanlast]

@@LeeMilby Yup. Sometimes they can.

[@paytonmartinez8340]

Usually when I’m in class and I pull out a project I’m working on, so many people who don’t really know what they’re talking about just say, “It looks so good! I definitely can’t do that!” Or “This is ten times better than what I can do!” And I get that they are trying to be nice and compliment my art, but it kinda makes me sad because I can’t get any form of answer when I ask what actually looks good or bad and what I can change to make it better. :/ Thank you for making this amazing video though it’s very helpful and finally puts to words why feedback is such an important and precise thing to go by and say! :)

[@HowardWimshurst]

thank you, glad you found it useful. If you really want feedback, I would recommend that you approach one person in particular, who's opinion you value. explain what you said here, that it can be difficult to get some honest feedback and say that you value his/her opinion a lot and would really appreciate some honest feedback. If you do that, it is extremely likely that that person will give you feedback. I also wouldn't hold any grudge against the people who made those comments. They are giving you encouragement and probably wouldn't know how to help you any further than that. And you've got to respect when people don't want to give you raw feedback because they value your friendship and don't want to be hurtful.

[@paytonmartinez8340]

Howard Wimshurst Thank you so much for the help! :) I hope I didn’t sound rude or anything

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

Great vid. Shared with a few of my artist friends, seems very useful! Not only for others giving feedback, but for artists to help guide clients and optimize iterations

[@Flying_Pand4]

when thinking of brutal honesty, think more on the honesty than the brutality

[@HowardWimshurst]

that's an interesting idea

[@EFlame01]

These are really good advice for how to give feedback. I especially love point number two for setting the time and place for feedback. Another great video

[@amwataart]

The number of times Feedback has been = "Very Nice"..Thanks for the video..

[@HowardWimshurst]

Amwata Art i’d call that encouragement 😊

[@SkullivanBones]

*shares video to friend who constantly gives less then helpful feedback :P *

[@evanmotions]

You're awesome brother. I will keep you in mind for the future to do a collab! I love your passion and down to earth-ness. Plus your skill level is solid af!

[@Waynimations]

It seems like all the people I look up (artists, musicians, writers, financial advisors, athletes) seem to recommend the same books. I have read some of these and i really do think they have helped me.

[@kelthekonqrr]

Eeeeyyyyy, did you change your logo!? Looks clean!

[@GioGuy]

Im not too good an animator but youre like teacher I never had

[@inca1529]

thanks this gave a lot of help, and thanks for putting the link so I can join. And Thank yiu

[@Lazero__]

So I have a friend of mine who wants feedback with his art and stuff, and I give it to him. The main thing I really want him to work on is his anatomy followed by his coloring/effects. But whenever I do he kinda just shrugs it off, makes an excuse like "oh, uh, I did that on purpose" or "this is my way and that's your way" and he remains stagnant. He's been drawing art for a long time and props to him for dedication and commitment but as I said he's stagnant and often gets stagnant. We also make suggestions to make the most of the software such as Clipstudio's perspective grid but shrugs that off too. TBH, I don't really know if I should continue giving him the same feedback. Any advice?

[@politicalpanda4590]

I'm not an artist, but I am not sure there is much you can do to help your friend. Seems like they won't change until they have to / they hear it from the right person or just out right give up.

[@HowardWimshurst]

You have done your part. The rest is the decision of the artist. Different artists move at different rates it might be a few years before he comes round to the idea. Or maybe his art journey moves in a completely different direction where he doesn't need either of those disciplines. You just don't know. which is why it is not your job to enforce it. It is his job. One other way to help is to change that to become positive. Show your friend lots of inspiring art - you can actually draw attention to art which is great specifically because of anatomy and or coloring. One of the ways I like to encourage people is just by doing, not by saying. It is much more powerful. When you're sitting with him, start practicing anatomy studies. He will see you benefit from the studies. If he asks what you are doing you can say that you are practicing anatomy, but other than that, you just keep going. often when people see someone doing something and they see that person having fun and benefiting from the activity, that makes them naturally want to do it. One of the laws of human nature is that you can only make someone do something by making them WANT to do it. I used to actively resist my mum because she would nag me. Nagging is telling someone to do something without that person wanting to do it - in other words, a completely futile effort. You are nagging :D If you try to push a mule, the mule will push back just as hard in your direction. You can push all day and it won't budge. Put a carrot in front of the Mule and she will move to the carrot.

[@Lazero__]

I see, I'll take note of these tips. Thanks for the advice :)

[@jeremyhilliard4366]

I appreciate your videos, it helps me with my art.

[@alestoryboards]

Awesome video! I usually ask for feedback, or when people ask me for feedback i say my opinion, but always with respect! btwi also have a youtube channel that i created 1 month ago, i've got just 95 subs , but i will keep posting ! i love art!

[@moooooooot]

You've been pumping out videos Howard, wus appening. Your "terrible roleplay" also sounded kinda like a art teacher, take that as you will mr howard. but mun your drawings in this video were great. I really enjoyed how you drew eyes. Feedback's very important so thanks for this, it could help me better help others.

[@HowardWimshurst]

Glad to see someone's noticed my rise in upload frequency! Thanks Mot. Art teacher!? I'll take that as a compliment! I know they get a bad wrap but I've known good ones... I think they get better as you get higher in the education system. My uni teachers were phenomenal Not sure if I said it before, but your showreel is looking REEL nice in the upcoming challenge compilation hahaaaa it will be up next weekend

[@moooooooot]

Thanks a lot mun, your encouragement means a lot. imma use it to grind out more anims Looking forward to that guild reel, (and the possibility of great art teachers to come) I cannot match your pun, u took the only one i could think of. why

[@vix0426]

Can you post a video about the fight Naruto and sasuke vs momoshiki?

[@_Bees]

How do you feel about real harsh feedback, like it can still help, but it can also be discouraging.

[@HowardWimshurst]

I think my view on it is kinda explained in the video if you read between the lines. I don’t have a tough-love approach

[@emeraldeelentertainment8988]

Harsh feedback can be helpful, but it could be destructive and not help at all.

[@ianzhang975]

Witch is better, opentoon or krita?

[@shawncassie689]

So how about finding people that are willing to give feedback to you? I find it very hard to find people that will give feedback other than people ik that arent character artists already in the field. I tried joining some discords but 90 percent of the people are doing props and environment art. Very hard to be find qualified people to give you feedback that arent trolls/amateurs and/or kids messing around. Further more I find getting feedback on abstract concepts is VERY VERY HARD especially being a character artist. Things like sculpting forms/anatomy, color theory, compostion, etc. Instead I get mostly feedback on very generic things or technical concepts. What do you guys suggest?

[@jenniferaboufadle7118]

This was a great video at a great time for me. Thanks ❤️

[@bokamososedibana6940]

Just when you thought no one could tech you common sense howerd comes by and proves you wrong ,thanx (im realy impresed, this channel is my favourite so far)(in animation)

[@ZedAmadeus]

What is it that you're working on in the background?

[@kipnaplayer5185]

What tablet do you use?

[@RMAnimations]

came right away!

[@buggybo7288]

Thanks a bunch for making this. Boy, was I a lost soul before...

[@pastelno.1]

What is program that you use at 1.11 And is that for storyboard make?

[@HowardWimshurst]

Hey, it's TVPaint And yes in this recording I am using it to make storyboards but I also use it for animating

[@danearmour]

You do good stuff man

[@DIAKOURSHEET]

I did my internship in some Studio in Toronto. The lead Animator made me look like shit to the director. He would tell me my animation is shit and made fun of it and that is not a fkn feedback anyways. Anything the director did not like to see, he would made me do it. I CAN GO ON AND ON WUT HE DID TO ME

[@czillustrator4659]

What are does via your mobile

[@fullmetal426]

Hey Howard, noob question: what’s software/display tablet are you using?

[@HowardWimshurst]

Wacom 12WX you acknowledged that it was a noob question and I appreciate that ;)

[@eastlemon9477]

People don't always realize they need advice, it is a fatal flaw in humans.

[@novski3175]

A fatal flaw would be like a major issue. I think the fatal flaw of humans is that they have limits which causes them to have good and bad qualities.

[@HowardWimshurst]

A lot of the time i think that’s true. I’ve also been on the other end many times where i’ve followed other people instead of trusting in myself.

[@eastlemon9477]

The denial of your own flaws is the denial of reality. Do I sound smart yet?

[@novski3175]

@@eastlemon9477 You're right. People should not deny reality. If the reality is negative. Pretending it's positive is negative. Accepting the reality is positive.

[@novski3175]

I appreciate it. About sharing awareness for proper feedback. Anyways, what about you? Are you open for feedback? If so how do you want it or in what way?

[@HowardWimshurst]

hey thanks dude, yeah I'm open for feedback. To be honest no one on KZbin has much of a filter anyway and also when I release a video on YT that's kinda like me saying "alright I'm done creating this, it's there for people to watch and judge". If you have any advice to offer that would help me make the channel better for you I would certainly like to take it on board.

[@RMAnimations]

Hey Howard, I know you've made a video on how to get clients, but can you make a video on how to charge clients for artwork? I just got my first commission but realized that if I agreed to do it, I'd be working like 6$ an hour. There's many factors to consider when giving a client a price, which may result in a client changing their mind, or the artist left with a project not worth their time.

[@HowardWimshurst]

This would be a good topic for a video... I'm a little hesitant to make it for a number of reasons. One reason is that I am still learning and have been learning for years about negotiating. I still make mistakes, I still undervalue my work etc. It is also a lot of responsibility to tell people what they should be charging and I'm not sure if I can do that. Maybe I could point in the right direction... But it also depends on things like your location and your age. In some countries the price of living is lower. If you are still in school, you have barely any overhead expenses, and no financial risk. There's also the case of getting a first commission. If it is your first commission, you can't expect to make a lot of money because the client is taking a huge risk on you. It's kinda like you need to pay your entry into the professional world by doing some work for free or for very little pay just to demonstrate that you can. That's not always the case, but it often is. If you want to learn some high-level negotiating and to have control in your client negotiations, you NEEEED to start watching The Futur on KZbin. Their old videos are particularly good. I have watched probably 90% of all of the hundreds of videos they have made. But, just keep in mind, the things they talk about like value pricing, strategy/ consulting and winning without pitching it is very high level stuff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWnOgmOFmJWqoc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHy7i2qqlLechac kzbin.info/www/bejne/j36pcnmhl6poptk As you get more into commissions and you start doing it full time, this stuff becomes vitally important.

[@RMAnimations]

@@HowardWimshurst Thank you so much!

[@theandienex8825]

I'm starting to approach the animation and I ordered an xp pen, a cheap one. have you ever had experiences with this brand? because it seems good but, being a beginner whit digital art, I'm a little bit worried about not having a wacom, or a branded tablet. I'm afraid to not being able to express all my potential, and having to give up on more complex or detailed jobs ... I hope to hear your opinion

[@HowardWimshurst]

Yeah I would have probably stuck with Wacom because their kit is very reliable. A wacom bamboo is very humble, affordable and can last you 10 years or more. well luckily, it's not about the equipment, it's about the artist

[@emeraldeelentertainment8988]

@@HowardWimshurst @The Andienex Wacom is great, but also very pricy, considering the same quality level tablets can be bought for a fraction of the price. Not everybody has the money to spend on industry-grade hardware, so it doesn't hurt to start with something cheaper. Well actually, I say Wacom is great, but in the time I had a wacom tablet the drivers crashed twice a week and I had to reinstall them once. My Huion Kamvas Pro hasn't had a single crash since using it back in December, though I suppose this is dependent on who owns the tablet. My experience has been great thus far.

[@coltennial9513]

When someone's feedback is "I don't like it, why don't you do something different" "well what should I consider doing" "I don't know just not that" 😑

[@roadsign289]

Eyy nice new ag logo

[@fishylad8523]

YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY VIEWS AAAA HELP

[@TheNocturnal1]

Stare at them Take a deep breath Offer a cookie...

[@tetsyumiizanagi61]

Woop first comment!

[@nathan_j_hill]

Fine, I'll get Amino again... Just for you Howard... just for you :D Plus I just gave feedback on the Animator Guild discord with your advice in mind :D

[@HowardWimshurst]

hey thank you very much my friend!

[@nathan_j_hill]

​@@HowardWimshurst. Feels a little crazy when someone you look up to calls you friend :D Love your videos they inspire me to animate!

[@bokamososedibana6940]

I realy criticise in a wierd hipster post modern way but I'm realy struggling to find things in this channel to criticise😧can't tell if its a good thing or a bad thing

[@amanchomal6194]

Can I give a feedback?

[@HowardWimshurst]

sure!

[@amanchomal6194]

@@HowardWimshurst Awesome video ,loved it .....keep making videos like this .

[@HowardWimshurst]

that's encouragement :D hahaha you can give encouragement to me or anyone else anytime and you don't need to ask for permission

[@poneyfeathersart1442]

I dont need to play an instrument to say how a song made me feel. How do you grow if you never hear what people really think? Dont sugar coat it. Someone doesnt like my art? So what? If your goal is to please others, youll never make an impression. I create art for me first. So someone hurts your feelings with their opinion... do you stop drawing? Stop dreaming? Heck NO! Develope ALLIGATOR SKIN. Then take that "honest" feedback, weigh it, measure it.... decide if theres anything useful in it. If that feedback doesnt help you in some way, discard it and dont go back. One persons thought is simply that. Now... talking about trolls... Just block trolls. Dont even waste your energy. Learn to tell the difference. I like your channel. I want to do some animation and you have helpful content. 😉

[@HowardWimshurst]

Poneyfeathers hey thanks dude, i really like your zeal. I share a fairly similar opinion. There’s more i wanted to say that was more opinionated but it wasn’t right to keep it in the video. I actually believe that if you’re a true artist, there’s very little that you can trust. It’s kinda ironic but actually the two things i figured you can trust the most are yourself and money. Trust yourself because if you don’t trust your own instinct you are completely blind without a map or compas. Trust money because money doesn’t seem to lie all that much. Someone says they like your work. Okay, that’s nice of them. But will they put money down for it? That’s the real test. If they put their hard earned money down for it, you know you’re onto something tangible. And next on from those two i would probably trust a mentor. Someone who you actually want to become. If you ask them for an opinion they are going to go with their instinct, and that’s an instinct that you actually want guiding you. Interesting talk

[@poneyfeathersart1442]

Dudette. LOL!! ;p Ive noticed many young artists (mainly on Instagram) that are so intensely focused on how others view their art, they forget there's supposed to be joy in the process too. Its obvious when the artist is happy with what they're making. My parents were awesome support and I had several excellent art teachers along the way but I still believed the one or two negative voices..... Random people said to me, "you know its hard to make a living as an artist?" or "starving artist?" I worked in banking and loan processing for 14 years because I believed the negative talk. Now, with the support of family, Ive started to focus on my art again. For REALS this time! HA!! Money definitely talks. There's really no higher form of praise than someone who's willing to support you financially. Mentors are great and you tube has been an excellent source for learning. You tubers that I absolutely adore... Jake Parker and Lisa Lachri Fine Art. Jake has so many great mentoring type videos for the artist. He worked for Marvel and several other big companies. Jake gives real world advice from an encouraging perspective. Lisa is a natural teacher who does her homework and shes a phenomenal artist. To all those folks just getting started in this... if you believe you can, you will achieve it. Then down the road, the doubters will be asking for your signature. Good chatting with you Howard!

[@GioGuy]

😆 👉👉

[@ccengineer5902]

You should learn how to take advice.

[@HowardWimshurst]

C&C Engineer i made a video about it a while ago

[@EFlame01]

These are really good advice for how to give feedback. I especially love point #2 for setting the time and place for feedback. Another great video