How To Heat Treat Bead Roller Dies

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Learning to heat treat steer is a long and argues journey. Learning as a blacksmith is even longer as everything is by watching and learning by other blacksmiths. Sometime they are reluctant to passing on such skills. So if you are lucky enough to find one who is willing you must pay attention. I was lucky enough to find such a blacksmith in George Erb. His teachings are on display in this video.
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[@timhale501]

We had an old blacksmith shop on the ranch where I grew up. My step dad. his brother and father worked in the shop in a near by Mine when they were not ranching and I have a few of their old tools. My college metallurgy professor demonstrated the changes in high carbon steel when it is heated, He had a 20 ft piece of high carbon wire in series with a 120 V light bulb. When he turned on the light the current flow heated the wire and as it started to glow red and sab between the insulators. Then all of sudden it started shrinking and tighten as it continued to glow red. He turned off the switch and explained that when carbon allow steel reaches a critical temperature the atoms in the molecule re arrange making a tighter non magnetic structure? rapid cooling "freezes" the structure. slow reheating allows the molecules to re arrange an temper the structure. I enjoy your video's and all the work you do .

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Tim: I'm glad to have brought back an old memory for you. You might want to put some of your old blacksmith tools back to work. There are many things to be learned by listening to the past. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@davidcooper708]

Enjoyed watching that Jere, I am a blacksmith based in the uk with a passion for classic car metal work.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hi David: I'm glad you liked it. Jere

[@komoru]

Masterful presentation. A joy to watch and learn from a true craftsman!

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

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[@paulmuff9883]

What can one say except a brilliant well explained, my teachers in my apprentice days back in the 60’s couldn’t have done it better, manny thanks, I enjoy your videos 😃👍

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Paul: Thanks. Many years as a blacksmith has given me a chance to learn from a different angle. Blacksmith's do everything by eye and feel. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@RonCovell]

Jere - Congratulations on a very good video! I knew very little about home shop heat treating, and you have a lot of good, practical knowledge to share! You also make an excellent T-shirt model (smile)!

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Ron: The advantage of being full bodied is that there are no wrinkles in the shirt. Jere

[@cliffwill]

"hearing" file-grab, file-cut, and file-skate is really informative. you can read about that kind of thing - but you'll understand it much better after hearing it. very useful information.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello portabull: I'm Glad you got some information that you can use from this video. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@steveveness3829]

G'day from West Australia, Jere just like I remember being taught by an old Latvian 7th generation blacksmith . Loved watching and reviving a fond memory thank you most sincerely 😉🙂👍👍

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Steve: It probably took several generations for the earliest blacksmiths to find the correct methods for hardening and tempering. ALL was done by eye. Thanks for watching and your comment. Jere

[@garul1669]

thanks, i have so much to learn from people like you. Congratulations on the digital thermometer😄

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Michele: Thank you. It has taken many years of being around a great number of blacksmiths and learn from them. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@jimzivny1554]

Great video, lots of good information. Nice explanation of the file drag, skate ect, I've watched a lot of blacksmithing videos and no one has gone into it like that. I've done some blacksmithing over the years and I admit I learned quite a bit from this video. Thanks for sharing

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Jim: Thanks for the kind words. I like to be thorough when putting out information. It's hard for me to determine when there is too much information. I cut out almost 50% of what I actually shot in this video so it wasn't to long. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@rockerpat1085]

Excellent lesson Jere!!! Learned a lot from watching!!! Thanks for sharing your talents!!! Keep Rocking!!!

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Rocker: Glad you liked it. I'm somewhat tired from work tonight but will commence rocking in the morning. Thanks. Jere

[@philponticello2303]

Again a great video with great instructions! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us so it won't get lost by time. I belive in doing things the old way as much as i can. Could you make a future video on how you set up the forge in this video? The propain valve, what you set the torch regulators to and what you are using for the torch tip inside. Looks like an inexpensive forge that would work great for the smaller parts i make on my old manual machines. And again thank you for all your doing to keep the skills alive!! Phil from southern virginia

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hi Phil: I made my forge back in the 80's. If I get around to doing some forging I will take some time and give the forge a closer look. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@edh.9153]

Great Job! Very good, tuff dies. Thanks for your skills and time.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Ed: Thanks for your kind words. I'm a firm believer in the tried and true ways are the best for me. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@billarroo1]

Digital thermometer 😆😆 Great Video, NICE Tutorial Thanks William Orange county, Ca.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello William: Thanks. Stay safe down south. Jere

[@maciekm7953]

Very informative video. Thank You for sharing👍

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Maciek: I'm glad you liked it and hope there was something in it you can use. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@jeffpitzer8521]

Hi Jere. What kind of oil are you using? Is it just motor oil? Or something special? I love the old school technology... I believe our forefathers were a lot smarter than we give them credit for... probably smarter than we are now.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Jeff: I use the waste oil from my diesel truck (Dello 15 - 40). Using oil from a diesel has more carbon in it and can impart some of the carbon into the piece when it is at it's critical stage (Martensite and Pearlite being formed). If you buy some treatable steel they should come with instructions as to their tempering and drawing temps. They will also try to sell you their oil. Thanks for watching and your question. Jere

[@griplove]

Cool video. I like how you drew the temper to 2 different levels on a single piece. Thanks for sharing. Do you have a coal forge or just the gas?

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Grip Side: Tempering is an art and heat is the brush. You have to see in your head what the finished piece looks like and then figure out how to get the colors you are after. I still have the first forge I made in 73 from an industrial hot water heater. What I later used was a Buffalo forge and hand cranked blower. I also have an electric blower that I use most of the time. Thanks. Jere

[@tonypires8816]

That was a wonderfully in depth vid on heat treating. Makes sense it would be by color. I looked through your vids and there's nothing on building a forge. There's tons of builds on YT. Is there one you recommend?

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Tony: Do you want a coal or gas forge? After answering that question, what is it that you want to forge. Do you need a long fire so that you can get a twist in the middle of a long piece or just make scrolls or leafs on the end of a work piece? Thanks for watching. Jere

[@tonypires8816]

I was thinking along the lines of what you have. Propane? Quick to fire up and shut off. I'm not thinking of forging yet, more like heat treating. I have one chunk of steel that I think was a press die that is 4x8x1.5 that is "skate" hard that would be nice to anneal for projects. Along with heat tempering bead roller dies.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

@@tonypires8816 Contact "[e-mail]". Stan has several heat treating ovens that may suite your needs. Jere

[@HayabusaRydr]

Amazing work and instruction. 2 questions though. What oil did you use? What temp does the oil need to be at? Thank you!

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hi Rydr. I used waste oil from a diesel motor. It has a little more carbon in it than a gas engine. I heat up a piece of steel in the forge and drop it in the oil. When you can't feel any chill in the oil you are ready to go. You will see this being done in this video. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@HayabusaRydr]

@@jerekirkpatrick2092 thank you very much for the reply

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[@frankhaydon658]

Do you make the determination of oil,water, or air Harding material to determine your quench?

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hi Frank, The material used is the factor involved. Low carbon steel (like 1018) can be quenched in water. The higher the carbon content the quench medium will changed to match. If you are interested in heat treating, look up "heat treating S7 tool steel. Good question. Jere

[@JunkMikesWorld]

What alloy did you make the dies from? My dies don't get a ton of use so I often make them from cold rolled steel. If memory serves me right that is 1018.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hello Mike: I used 4140. It was an old hydraulic piston shaft. Your 1018 dies will be fine for working aluminum but if you are working steel (18 or 19ga) I would suggest tempering them and drawing them back to a dark straw. Another option would be to treat them in Casenite. That will give you about a .010 case hardening. Also a blacksmith named Rob Gunther came up with an Amway soap quench that is quite successful. Thanks for watching. Jere

[@billarroo1]

You said "heat treating oil"?, what makes it a heat treating oil, high carbon content? Great Video nice tutorial Thanks William Orange county, Ca.

[@jerekirkpatrick2092]

Hi Again: Different material should be cooled at different rates. When you buy hi carbon steel you get a sheet that gives you the cooling rate for that particular steel. The viscosity of the oil will determine the cooling rate. Good question. Thanks for watching. Jere

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