How To Install A CNC Spindle - Part 2 - Wiring To The Controller

[@richardleslie410]

While awaiting the arrival of my onefinity cnc machine, and following the ideas of this video, I ordered the spindle and VFD. the spindle arrived and so it picked up the 1/4" ID 3/8" OD tubing. after fighting a loosing battle with this i Ordered from MSC and industrial supply house some 5/16 OD 1/4 " ID clear plastic tubing and it fit like a glove. save yourself some grief.

[@Zengineer]

So after living with the spindle change for a bit, have you compiled your thoughts somewhere as to what the benefits/improvements are? I'm guessing yes, but haven't come across it yet.

[@drkstr3189]

I haven't received my onfinity yet but I do have a vfd/air cooled spindle I wish to use once it arrives. I noticed in this video you already had items wired in to the breakout board and was wondering what devices those are wire to?

[@thomasash743]

What do you have already connected to break out board?

[@marchill1837]

At 20:01 is this a normal sound. I often wonder if I am pushing too fast or the bit is too long or if this is normal. 1/4 end mill.25 depth 175 ipm.

[@b-radg916]

At 18:40 he said it’s going to spin up to 1600, and then several seconds later he says that it’s at 1600. Just based on the sound I think he meant 16,000, but if not, that seems like a good reason the carve sounded like that. Otherwise, maybe too fast for the feedrate?

[@b-radg916]

You may also try a slightly shallow depth of cut.

[@p8ntblr1]

What are the other wires in the breakout box?

[@Djivgar1]

Very good vídeo. Please, will you tell me which connections ( # of borns) you utilize for the water pump in the vfd? Thanks in advise!

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

ok moving right along here. I have a place for a ground wire on my breakout board and I have a green ground wire in my cord. Can I use it and ground it on the VFD ground lug ?

[@pabbergara]

Great video! One observation: Isnt that spindle being a bit overwhelmed by feed/speed? I´m hearing it suffering at some runs, like it´s going too fast.

[@suipsysof]

Great video as always Ben! One question I have is what are the other wires you are using in your breakout board?

[@MyersWoodshop]

it was for an estop and a touch probe...but now i have the official machine and need neither.

[@suipsysof]

@@MyersWoodshop Got it. Know of any way to use the breakout board to turn the water pump on and off?

[@rayjohnson4395]

@@suipsysof add relay to pump parallel relay control off spindle signal

[@suipsysof]

@@rayjohnson4395 Thanks Ray. I ended up using a smart plug. Whenever the spindle turns on, the water pump and dust collection also turn on. Then, when the spindle turns off, they both turn off too.

[@mickeymallette2663]

@@MyersWoodshop I’m not sure I understand this comment. What is the “official machine”? And what did you Haden before?

[@reaper060670]

Just found ur channel man. That's a real nice CNC machine u have there. Do companies like OneFinity sell the programs with the power controller on their own or do u have to buy the whole thing together. I'm building my own CNC machine but the software and electronics catches me out. I'm not tech savvy at all and electrics scare the life out of me.. LOL I really enjoyed these 2 videos u made. I am pretty sure this is the 1st time I caught a full on video showing how to wire this whole thing in real time so I thank you for that bcos I have a VFD already but wasn't sure how to go about it. The ground wires are the thing that scare me. I know in the top of those Spindles that come from CHINA they a lot of the time don't connect the ground wire inside the spindle so u have to take the top off? Did u check that or is that a thing? I've seen loads of ppl on here showing themselves opening the top of their new 800W 0r 1.5KW spindles to show the ground wire inside the spindle is loose and not connected correctly. I got electrocuted badly one time and I know better than to mess with that stuff now.. Anyway this was a couple of brilliant videos pal. The cut from this spindle looked great too. I guess the right bits and speed rates and all that good stuff helps no end. Keep doing ur thing man. Salute from Dublin, IRE.

[@lazarsamuel8383]

Hi. Why my controller doesn t have a breakout board?

[@hayabusa3558]

Where did u get the mounting bracket for spindle 80 mm ? Thanks

[@WLDORPFELD]

Thank you so much for providing the videos and your valuable knowledge and experience. Apparently, you switched from a Shapeoko XX Pro to a Onefinity. I am about to purchase m first CNC Router. Can you explain why you made this switch? I plan to manufacture something with relatively small parts mill from 12mm and 4mm Baltic Birch with a 1/8" compression bit. I'd like to send you a drawing if you would be willing to make a recommendation. Thank you again for your video.

[@MyersWoodshop]

ball screws and no v wheels. Onefinity can cut faster, deeper and cleaner. It also doesn't require a computer or wifi to run. Major upgrade from the Shapeoko!

[@GoodYearForLiving]

Does your spindle pass an electrical signal from a tool or spindle nut to the metal casing on the outside of the spindle ( Measure 0 Ohm from the spindle nut to the case)? I know some spindles do where many routers do not. An advantage of this is that you could add the magnetic wire used in probing to be permanently mounted to the spindle casing near the top of the spindle. Route the wire back to the controller and it just stays plugged in permanently. Now when you do probing you won't ram a tool into the probing block from forgetting to mount the magnetic wire connection. One caution is that you may not want to run the wire along or next to the spindle 3 phase AC power cable because VFDs create noise that could be picked up on the probe wire causing the probe circuit to false trigger (thinks it's done a touch off when it was actually just random noise coming in from the AC lines. I guess this may not be an issue though because the spindle isn't on and making noise when probing. I'm sure someone has tried however.). Stepper motors also create a lot of noise. I made my own GRBL laser engraver a few years ago and literally couldn't home my machine because the limit switch wires were routed with the stepper motor cables. Sometimes I could home. Sometimes it wouldn't. The fast pulsing of the stepper motors would create false triggers where moving the limit switch wires a little might sometimes let it home. I rewired just the limit switches with shielded cable where I grounded the shield at the controller and all was good. I'm not sure if the probe wire is made with shielded cable on this machine. If it is and the shield is grounded at the control box then noise pickup may not be an issue as the noise would be blocked from being an input.

[@CustomCraftedDesigns]

Can you set the speed now with vcarve when you select the tool or do you have to program the speed through the onefinity software for each job?

[@davelethaby1279]

The gcode that is generated by vcarve will include the selected speed you have chosen for the toolpath and that is passed on to the VFD/spindle.

[@johnjss]

Knowing what you know now, would recommend starting with spindle or starting with the Makita? My Onefinity is on back order. Never used a cnc before.

[@vivigarr]

I have the same kind of spindle in 110v 1.5kw and I would forever recommend the spindle over the router. Here's why: - Quieter operation. Routers are extremely loud. - Less vibrations. Routers vibrate a lot and have more runout. - More consistent power. And the BIGGEST perk of all is it opens up a range of new materials with the speed control. With a router you cannot control the speed through the software or other means. It's just the preset settings if your router has that. This spindle's lowest RPM in my testing is around 72 RPM and goes up to 24000. This allows so much more flexibility when it comes to feed rates. Stepper motors have their limits, especially on systems that don't have linear rails and can bind more easily. Sometimes you just can't run that theoretical feed and speed because it means you need to run at 24000 RPM @ 500 IPM which most desktop CNC's with stepper motors will not be able to achieve without losing steps. With the spindle, you'll have the ability to slow down the RPM and feed rate and still make good cuts without bogging the spindle down. There's a good one on Amazon that is a 110v 2.2kw liquid cooled ER20 spindle that I recommend. I meant to get that one but accidently purchased the 1.5kw ER11 version because they looked similar and wasn't paying attention. Extremely happy with it and they really aren't that hard to setup.

[@JoeLazzara]

@@vivigarr Hi there. Do you happen to have the link for this spindle?? Im just now getting into cnc and I think I'd prefer the spindle vs the router, but I don't know what to get. I just checked Amazon and they have a few of them, did you get the kit or just the spindle? Thanks.

[@watchtv1963]

hi right now im using the makita router with the ilot relay, i have a 220v spindle to switch to, im not sure if it will work with the auto off and on . thanks.

[@MyersWoodshop]

no, a spindle goes to the modbus, not to a relay switch.

[@watchtv1963]

@@MyersWoodshop I'm not sure what a modbus is I have the ilot relay and the db25 breakout board for my makita and shop vac. I did see the breakout board in the 2nd video but it was hooked to something off camera. Thanks for your help and fast response.

[@fredscott413]

waiting for mine to come.

[@danelswick1266]

Great video. But why this CNC? I became interested in watching 1F videos. But then I began reading the forum (s) and it seems the costs just keep coming after the initial purchase.

[@MyersWoodshop]

What cost? You need a router and some bits. Same as any other machine

[@b-radg916]

I know you posted two years ago, but I chose it over the Shapeoko 3 XXL that I learned on because the Shapeoko was not nearly as rigid, and also was belt driven. I’ve only had my Onefinity Journeyman for a month or so, but from the first moment a bit started carving, I could tell Onefinity was the right choice!

[@traderbareng3687]

clear a loud .. explanation gret job : question .. 1:does the spindle water cooling system need water sirculation or we cn use dry to 2. my sindle wont run coorectly but it;s normal at the begining but now the spindle now.. not spiining .. and need hand to spin it out 3. the spining sound come out but the spindle not spinning and it very hot .. do you have any idea .. ( i use chinese spindle 2.2 kw with best vfd )

[@geekobjects]

How did this work out? I have seen in some of your newer videos that you are back to the standard router again.

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

Does it matter what guage the green and brown wires are ? Will lamp cord work ?

[@warrenbrown8670]

Signal wires should not go through grommit with high voltage. Use the smaller grommit for the data signal wires.

[@FauziIbrahim]

Hi Myers During configuration for VFD I have problem to find P01, P02. I only got uP0, uP3, uP4, uP5, uP6. Sir, please telling me How to changing these uP code to P code in VFD CNC 6040Z 4 axist. When I tried to reset factory setting error 40 appear. Then unable to get P code again. Thank you sir

[@Cmuhney]

I see you have red, black, blue, and beige wires running to a few terminals on the breakout board. What did you connect those to? You only connected green and brown to the VFD.

[@MyersWoodshop]

i had an external estop and a laser connected through the breakout board.

[@samuelcorreaz2282]

Why does your cnc have an extra hardened steel tube ?

[@richardbarton4958]

Can you order 1/2 inch cullets for this spindle?

[@Hobi_Garaj]

How many millimeters in miles used ? Is there any vibration while working?

[@MyersWoodshop]

no.

[@michaelnewbourn2526]

is that the same controller that ship with the one infinity

[@MyersWoodshop]

No, this was an early prototype. They show it off on their channel @onefinitycnc

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

Do I need to purchase a separate breakout board to connect to the 1f controller ? Thx.

[@MyersWoodshop]

If your going to get a spindle, yes.

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

@@MyersWoodshop yes I am... Thx

[@danelswick9886]

Great video ... Did you add a breaking resistor to the VFD?

[@MyersWoodshop]

I didn't

[@warrenbrown8670]

HY doesn't support them out of the box. They can factory modify one if you contact them. The docs show connections, but internals are not present by default.

[@Davvyk]

are their instructions online for this? What were you following to set the VFD parameters etc? Thanks!

[@MyersWoodshop]

forum.onefinitycnc.com, some users posted some.

[@Davvyk]

@@MyersWoodshop super I’ll have a search. Thanks for replying 👍

[@williamreed281]

Great video Just one question. What did you program for the motor number of poles? (2 or 4 poles) Thanks Mike R

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

I dont need another program such as Mach3 or 4 to run a file ?

[@MyersWoodshop]

nope

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

@@MyersWoodshop thx

[@richardkuechenmeister5811]

I wired my vfd up plugged it in to try the spindle.It started but goes right up to full speed. Wont let me control speed with the vfd knob. What do I need to change ? Thanks.

[@minah.]

Could I get this for Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 CNC machine, will it work with it?

[@yasirh2004]

Can this spindle mill aluminum

[@MyersWoodshop]

absolutely it can.

[@RoseKindred]

Are you still using the beta machine? I don't expect much change between the machines so the wiring should still be the same, but curious to know if something should change or what to be on the lookout for.

[@MyersWoodshop]

still using the beta machine in this video. it will likely be pretty much the same.

[@RoseKindred]

@@MyersWoodshop Thank you for the reply.

[@frankarcos6355]

Do you know when the onefinity will be available for preorders again. Or is that it for preorders

[@MyersWoodshop]

september is what i hear.

[@bugsysiegals]

@@MyersWoodshopWill the September pre-orders be at the same price or up to $2,400?

[@thetechdoc792]

The spindle is already sold out?

[@MyersWoodshop]

it goes in and out of stock, keep checking back.

[@highlatitude64.84]

@@MyersWoodshop ‘Cause once you go Huanyang, you’ll never go back. 😎

[@andreimerisanu9995]

Great video. Quick question; These spindles typically have metric collets (6mm I believe,) does the spindle support imperial bits (1/4" shank) or did you need to buy a separate collet ?

[@vivigarr]

Collets have a range of what they can accept, so check with the manufacturer. For example an ER32 6mm collet has a working range of .197-.236, which 1/4" is .250 so it should fit. However, collet sizes are standards so if you have an ER11 the max size they are made in is 7mm, which is slightly larger than 1/4". You can find sets of them on Amazon.

[@ATWPussyCat]

He's talking about this in the first vid. If I understand correctly, he uses a different collet.

[@ronaldhoppus9015]

I ordered this machine after seeing it here. So thanks for that. As far as the spindle did you get 110v for convenience? Will this machine handle the larger more powerful 220v spindle? Thanks

[@MyersWoodshop]

sure will, i'm testing an 80mm 2.2kw and it's powering through it. check my instagram @myerswoodshop.

[@ronaldhoppus9015]

Can you tell us more about it? Does it need a different spindle mount form OF? Thanks

[@jurgenvanhoutte7469]

Perfect explanation. One question though (not related to the spindle, sorry), about referencing the Onefinity. Once you done it, does it remember it forever? Or do you have to do it again if it reboots. For example ,when you install removable orientation points to position pieces, I think there will be differences when you reference it again. Because it touches the metal and there are no sensors. Grtz from Belgium ;)

[@MyersWoodshop]

it will remember the settings forever!

[@jurgenvanhoutte7469]

@@MyersWoodshop Perfect thank you:)

[@michaelschecker2716]

speed is to high why is the clamp for the spindle so high? Most instability come from leverage in the Z-Axis and the wrong mounted spindle

[@rayjohnson4395]

Thats a 3 phase DC motor you can't reverse any of the 2 wires to reverse you must switch the 2 load lines, 3rd line is sensor lead. Wire it wrong you will damage controller and/or motor

[@bulldogg187]

probably gonna have to increase the safe-z height or i see a broken bracket in your future.

[@MyersWoodshop]

yep, it was close!

[@daviddickmeyer5231]

For people starting out for the first time, this video is way too fast. Is there a place to learn more about this slowly (for those of us old enough to be your grandpa but willing to learn)?

[@MyersWoodshop]

I'm sorry, you can hit the pause button between steps!

[@mikesitton7955]

Slow down playback speed .

[@subbingtoeveryonewhosubsto5525]

CAN I?PLS HELP ME ITS MY DREAM LOVE YOU HAVE A NICE DAY BYE BYE BYE GO AWAY

[@MyersWoodshop]

ok..