How to Learn Path of Exile - Inspired Learning Ep.17 - PoE Podcast with Badger and Yoji

How to learn Path of Exile? Where to start learning the basics without getting overwhelmed? How to improve upon the basics and get better at making builds, understand game mechanics, crafting and more?
In this episode Badger and Yoji are very well prepared to share with you their approaches and anecdotes about how they learn PoE and ARPGs in the mindset that helps with taking content one at a time without learning too slowly. We hope you enjoy this one!
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[@ItsYoji]

If you are curious about the BPL check this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKexhYRqfdxgack

[@Frerrva]

I'm glad I found Badger through you, Yoji. I really enjoyed listening to this, reminiscing about where my ARPG journey began and how I ended up playing PoE. Really good stuff.

[@mikewood8815]

Thanks to you both for another great podcast 😁 As a somewhat new player, PoB was instrumental in me learning (and still doing so) about the game, along with content creators such as yourselves. I honestly don't think I would have anywhere near as much fun without that risk-free testing space, since while not punishingly so, there can be quite a cost involved with changing up a build, from regrets to anoints and all the time and gear in-between. Sort of circles back to you talking about would you get into PoE now. Without tons of experience, some things can be hard to see or judge in-game and testing without any log or reliable feedback is not something I find enjoyable (personally). AoE is a good example, it can be hard to tell in-game if/how much those nodes actually do, with the PoB breakpoints I can tell if/how much those passive points benefit me, along with many other things. (Also being able to copy-paste items from the trade website lets me have fun going go window shopping for my characters, which I often spend FAR too much time doing 😅) But what you were saying about build feel is so true, you could double your damage, but becoming 4x as squishy is not always apparent, or the QoL of a trigger wand with lower DPS over self-cast. Recently hit the point where I am now making a few different chars to get a feel for different classes, since I like to get myself well established with 1 main and a decent grasp of overall game mechanics before rolling out 1 or more of each ascendancy rather than re-rolling often and early, but that's personal prefrance. I am just having so much fun with this game 😎 Also, still not beaten Maven since your last podcast, I am 0/2 now 😭 but I did finally kill the 4 breach lords for the hidden, so... progress? 😂

[@ItsYoji]

That is progress indeed! Maven takes quite a bit of practice I think. Also thanks for sharing your learning experience as well. Seems like PoB can indeed be used really well by beginners then :)

[@slayerem]

I really enjoy these poe podcasts and I have a suggestion for you guys, try to find Esoro and invite him in the podcast sometimes. I actually learned poe following his guides and he does an excellent job with those.

[@frenchcatgoesham9665]

Holy, that would be amazing with Esoro. I hope you can make it work

[@Dragaxa]

That "Thing" you have with rerolling is called Altoholism. Its a serious problem for a lot of people.

[@HermanManly]

I usually listen to these on the job but I just had to come back here and say just how important this episode was to me. At almost 6300 hours of playtime, I still without fail every single league run into the 'wow I suck at this' situation and just feel like I wasted my time. Hearing you guys talk about things you're not very good at , things you don't understand or aspects of the game you still need to learn broadened my view on what a 'good player' in PoE even means and it made me realize that I just need to first and foremost put FUN above all else. Might sound weird, but yeah. Thanks.

[@akaiappears]

Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance and then Champions of Norrath were AMAZING. Both of them got sequels. I do have to go back sometime and maybe clear them again, was very young when I played them.

[@samnafziger]

9 years and I've never gotten through the endgame. I'm an altoholic through and through

[@Freedom-kl8rt]

What???? 9years and no end game...

[@ItsYoji]

Which parts of the endgame have you done so far?

[@yangotoxy619]

Same thing with me... been playing since open beta years ago and ive never done Elder or Shaper for example

[@Xirpzy]

@@yangotoxy619 done them once lol. I get bored every time as soon as my wealth runs out or the insane grind begins. Molten strike jugg was the only build I really loved until they nerfed it numerically and mechanically.

[@samnafziger]

@@ItsYoji Routinely get to 89, 90 most of the time, somewhere in red maps I typically hit a wall and enjoy rerolling more than pushing a character. Its a self inflicted issue, I play SSF, even when playing trade leagues. Like Yoji I've enjoyed learning the game through experience over tutorials. It's FAR from efficient, but I can't think of another game that's kept me coming back so consistently for almost a decade. Play PoE you way and enjoy it folks!

[@ShakCentral]

Just commenting as I listen to the first few minutes - super excited for this one. I have some extraordinarily ambitious plans for educational PoE content in the near future, and I was actually hoping to include both of you! What a timely podcast as I'm in the middle of some scripts for future videos :) super pumped for this

[@shallowm4803]

thank you for making the vortex guide it taught me how to play path of exile

[@NowLiveWithVlad]

16:00 I played a lot of maplestory and that made me love loot based games

[@ntma]

Howdy, boys. Good discussion. The only thing I think that would help new players outside of the self-teaching approach you guys touched on is starting on HCSSF. After a few deaths, you learn what not to do, how to save yourself time in the future, which naturally makes you better at the game. Worked for me!

[@knaz7468]

I think i remember when Vaal Oversoul was the final boss in PoE, or close to it and I could not kill him no matter what. Then a guy came in, kicked his butt and asked me if I had any resists. Resists?

[@RoninCaged]

How to learn to play PoE - just get a masters degree in the Wilson Univercity of Video Game Development located in Auckland, New Zealand. Its simple really :D

[@Joulespersecond]

Badger - I think you should play SSF. If you don't have access to trade or other resources you get an appreciation for things like chiselling maps very quickly!

[@petermueller162]

For crafting guests, I'd be tempted to get people like PoEDan or other SSF players that go hard enough to basically have a solid crafting environment without trade. They would have good knowledge and may weirdly connect more with the player base that doesn't have unlimited currency for crafting like some of the others mentioned.

[@jakubzahradka8644]

OMG Lionheart! That game raised me!

[@MrLasditude]

Yeah, restarted PoE after 6 years this league, on the topic of Path of Building, my thought process was: - what is this PoB that every build is referencing - why do I need to go to Github to get this (I do software dev, so dared to download it) - (after opening it) what the hell IS this spreadsheet madness - oh, okay, this is for showing skill trees, neat - oh, there's also the gems I need, why is fire penetration left at level 5, what is awakened? - oh, there's a list of gear, no idea how to get or craft any of this - 150 hours of playtime later: oh there's some tools to calculate DPS and show what nodes on the skill tree would be good and what they do for the build. Oh yeah, also realised after 100 hours in SSF that the build I picked needed double copies of two uniques that are only accessible from tier 14+ maps. Despite all of this having a lot of fun!

[@ShakCentral]

When it comes to leveling, learning to level without twink gear is incredibly valuable. After leveling my first melee character in two years, I realized I didn't learn very much because I leveled the entire way on 4 5-linked unique weapons.

[@wabberjacks]

How do you find the found crafts faster like the veiled modifiers, where certain important found ones drop like multimod %phs %elemental %life. One thing I havnt seen in map guides is actual progression. Just got to maps this league and learned watch stones show up at tier 3. Have to go to each area and farm till they show, never seen that in a guide.

[@cooldepot4378]

37:17 Your DPeniS

[@Blaze1337]

I'm a major altoholic and my highest lvl is 95 and that was in delve league.

[@TBrius88]

Love to see I am not the only one who does not like crafting. The maximum I can force myself is rare gloves and rings. The crafting options are fine but I have so much bad RNG I avoid it, just play the game more instead and if I really want something I get it in trade. Apart from Maven (so far) I beat every other boss with mostly unique items so it is doable.

[@garf412]

welcome to the non-crafting club. i roll my flasks.. that is it.. oh and maps... thats it.

[@ItsYoji]

I'll mostly I'd items or craft a little bit with what I have like tossing some fossils, essences, harvest crafts or alterations at an item. I never go out of my way to farm or buy materials for projects though.

[@gatovzla3876]

Hello, I use pob to see how the changes affect the dps and defensive work, is a mod is given me something or not, and also the atributos requires for some changes to see when I can change or what I need to do te changes

[@Tehed82]

Let's assume we have a new player who never played PoE, has only little experiences with ARPGs in general and it's his/her first character. My number one recommendation would be: Follow a build guide. Now pretty much requires the use of PoB because 90% of the guides nowadays use this tool simply to share the build. But I think you have so much room to screw up your character and get frustrated before you even reach the "endgame" that I think a build guide is pretty much a necessity for your first char. This way you also can focus your attention more on the game and the game mechanics instead of just trying to somehow get your char working. After your first build... just go for Yoji's advice and yolo the sh*t out of this game :D

[@garf412]

watched it live, so here is a like and a comment :) x

[@ItsYoji]

All hail the mighty algorithm!

[@khamdal]

MBX on the cartfing pod pls ^^.

[@F0r3v3r96]

Keep it up guys ! :)+

[@joshgeorgianna5415]

Same CoN love yoji. XD

[@alexandermauf2388]

from 99 to 100 takes nearly 2x as long as from 98 to 99 in my expirience in t 15 valdos rest

[@voodoo1069]

One on picking new builds and experimental builds would be fun. I generally pick more meta abilities because most of the others are to clunky and boring but I'm now have 20+ level 100 hundreds and I'm running out of skills that inspire me. Crafting for high end, crafting for yourself, crafting for profit could be all good areas to hit with crafting. Ways of staying motivated to reach a goal. I go for 40/40 every week but this one is burning me out greatly because I really dislike prove your worth. Normally I'd run 50-100 maps a day this league I struggle to do 10 in a row because I dislike changing maps non stop. Just a few ideas of topics I think about.

[@banzinarbanzinar5012]

CHAMPIONS OF NORATH!!! HAHAHA me too, man. me too

[@vevert121]

Yep, there once was 4 difficulty levels. And we're that old.

[@ItsYoji]

Feels old man.

[@ThaGamingMisfit]

I was a young person in his early 30's back then...

[@danielbr93]

26:30 - I feel called out lol Nah, joking. I totally understand everything about Syndicate. YEP Good advice is, ignore everything that seems too annoying, too complicated or just not fun for you when you enter maps. If you get the basics of maps right, being chisels, alch and checking the dangerous mods on it, you can do that for many hours and will earn some currency. And the moment you feel comfortable with maps and how it works, then you choose another "hobby" in PoE and look into what those beasts do or check why this weird guy is obsessing over his yellow rock :P

[@Peter-sr8gv]

Me winging like 5 characters this league and only one of them coming to 90

[@danielbr93]

That was me for the first 1000 hours lol Like Yoji said, it gives you a good overall knowledge about various build and build types, if you switch it up from build to build. Like melee, to spells, to miner, etc.

[@Mudar96]

I really like the idea of you getting "experts" on topics, but be careful. Having someone like empy or grimro talking about trade league won't at all reflect the capabilities of the normal player. I just had a Reddit post where I asked people about their achievements in this league and was honestly surprised how many people killed Sirus for the first time or struggle to kill him on A8. Listening to a podcast already implies a higher level of investment into the game, but that is still miles away from what those two can teach. Honestly, Ocativan is the perfect fit for the level you seem to target. From my point of view right now, 40/40 is done (every league since legion), with an average league total income around 500ex, I do not expect to get any major revelations anymore. At this point it's more about using my time right for the goal I want to achieve. But most people lack behind massively to even get to this point. Even getting to A8 is a problem for most people, getting stuck on transitions between colors, e.g. mid yellow to low red. Explaining how you put your watchstones and use the use the juice you got until that point to slingshot you over that edge is highly important, but rarely talked about. Most videos are about how to run your fractured canyon with three winged scarabs and your HH self curse occultist. Thats so far beyond the average player. I would suggest going to the social media channels and ask people there what their biggest progression problems are, where do they get stuck. Or even very simple tutorials like: Look at your stupid beasts, these ones in the bottom are actually worth 10-15c. Or: You made history with Alva, what rooms are good and why that vial upgrade room is worth 100c.

[@Hakkene]

PoM is the god crafter but i doubt he would wanna join the podcast cuz he already did milion videos about it

[@sfh6821]

Hey Badger, how do I achieve having such magnificent hair? Any tips and tricks?