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[@AClarke2007]

There should be an Organisation in the UK to help eBike enthusiasts get up and running.

[@turbofan450]

I think laws limiting power are foolish. It outlaws bikes that would have the power to climb hills easily.. which is one of the main reasons people buy ebikes. If the assisted top speed is limited, which I think is more reasonable, then what does it matter if I have 1500W or 250W? It should be about speed and weight of the bike, not power. This also applies to the silly laws banning throttles. What does it matter if I activate my motor using my wrist/ thumb rather than my feet?

[@lmaoroflcopter]

On the throttle front it's not technically a restriction. It's a loophole, e-bike manufacturers are taking advantage of. With a throttle - motorbike. Without one - can't possibly be a motorbike as it has no throttle. Hence why the new classifications and laws as there were no regulations that previously regulated such things.

[@markharvey2284]

Not even just that limiting them puts you at more risk coz you can’t move out of the way quick enough if a cars coming at you at 40-50 and your only going 28 you’ve gotta move a lot quicker

[@paulm5443]

The laws are made by people in Londonistan. They don't know what hills are.

[@kchoudri]

This is very off-putting for a new starter on an Ebike. I think I will continue destroying the climate with my combustion engine car rather than going through all this hassle. So sad that on one hand the authorities are saying , Get electric vehicles, it is safer for the climate, and same time they have such silly hurdles, which I can understand is necessary for your kind of bike, but for an ebike, perhaps even with 350 Watts, it is very off-putting. Very Very disappointed with the fact that the law makers just don't have enough brains when they come up with such rules. I mean, I have seen road bikes, where people are riding almost at 30 mph on their pedals only... how do these law makers justify that ? It just don't make sense to me. Besides that, thank you for taking time to share your experience of this REGISTRATION process. It is definitely helpful for the relevant parties.

[@Kumari_44]

Well said. With leg power alone you can get to around 30mph if youre fit enough and you so chose to. Yet they restrict you to a 250w motor that can only reach about 17mph max because they think anything more is dangerous… HELLOOO GOVERNMENT! What part of *’we can do 30mph with our legs alone, without any electric assistance’* did you not understand!? The level of danger hasnt changed! therefore the restriction makes no sense.

[@lmaoroflcopter]

@@Kumari_44 Because if you can do 30mph with your legs, then you don't need more. The motor is there to assist you. Not replace you on an e-bike. And I'd challenge anyone to maintain 30mph on the flat, through pedals for a full minute, let alone a full journey that isn't an athlete.

[@HighVoltageKits]

Thanks for doing this. I hope it encourages more people to try it. The people there seem fair. Just alot of boxes to tick. I like how they don't actually test for speed. So you can still have some fun as long as you are careful.

[@steve7163]

Thanks andy for taking your time with this video..massive help for my preparation for my msva...

[@darrenbullman9450]

How did you get on ?

[@jcallear8529]

Loving all the vlogs very informative as always. Out of interest how long would it take for a kit to arrive once ordered

[@fahadusman1311]

We definitely need some more footage of you riding this bike. It’s really f’ing cool.

[@darrenbullman9450]

Appreciate your time, effort and sharing it all

[@finalfantasysoldier8455]

That’s a awesome bike Andy. I got mine built for now but waiting on saving for my battery. I got a 48 volt 1000 watt kit. Should be fine for town

[@cinergiflims]

Thanks for doing a video on everything you did to get it through. Are you considering selling the bike built with all road legal additions and registrations done? How do you think your bike would compare to something like a Sur-ron that manages to bring it all in at £4500

[@6sicSIX]

Hey Andy, how is the horn wired up? Does it take 12v? Where's the step-down circuitry? I am saving for my first e-bike, think I'm going for a 2000w dd on the rear and a 52v 20Ah that allows 40Ah continuous draw. But I'm not sure yet... I live in Colchester by the way

[@CalDempsey]

I know you said no comments about the licencing, but just one thing. If you passed after 2001, you'll still have a P entitlement on your licence but it will have a restriction code which means you have to take a CBT to validate the entitlement.

[@lezbriddon]

i'm guessing old guys with like a 90's license are still needing a cbt for a bike thats 125 class, ie faster than 29mph, but ok with 4kw 50cc 28nph or less without cbt, or is it cbt for all?

[@lmaoroflcopter]

@@lezbriddon old guys and new guys for a 125 require a CBT every 2 years. Old guys can ride a moped on cat P without a CBT. New guys can ride a moped on cat P once having completed a single CBT (requires no renewal).

[@jrewillis]

No need for mirrors on a moped/motorbike but I'd deffo recommend them. Same for indicators. You'll be going so fast people won't expect you coming so quick.

[@stevensteggles7560]

Hey Andy, thanks for the great video. Do you have a link please for where you bought the headlight?

[@thisiswilson4399]

Mind if I ask where you got that sturdy looking kickstand for your soon to be moped?

[@jasoniffland7701]

Nice one, excellent,will be building a ebike later in the year,going to order of your site,thanks for the video's.

[@parjacpar3077]

Nothing against Andy as he is doing a decent job and needs a income and yes he sells decent parts on his site. If you do your research you will find same parts cheaper else were ie aliexpress.com which is good place to get battery building stuff from ie 18650 . . watch some of Vortecks (Tonys) videos and it will tell you more he also has a forum. Thanks to Tony I know about Andys YT channel

[@grahamjones6712]

U dont have to have indicators too pass the MSVA because you can just use arm signals right? What about daylight running lights? My forks above my front crown are narrower than those 6.5" motorcycle headlights. Is it still possible to fit them with the brackets angled outwards?

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

Nice vid..I need one of those sidestands for my enduro bike and they are up to 130 quid on ebay from Europe..you can get them for 25 from a few sellers..so watch out.

[@sarahosman4933]

excellant vid mate...thank you.

[@firstman9273]

The MVSA requires mirrors fitted to pass the MVSA (if I understood correctly) but they are not a legal requirement for mopeds and motorcyles on the road....that's crazy. Also all lights can be removed for an MOT so I guess they have to be on there for the MVSA and then you can take them all off. It's called a daylight only MOT. VOSA should write a separate booklet for Mopeds and Motorcyles and cars. Make it easier for people to know what they have to do. Great series of videos this MVSA set is, THANK YOU very much. One quibble I don't think you followed this up when it was registered and insured? I actually found the last video now, you should give them all the same title MVSA PART 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,

[@myPETsnailFRED]

amazing video so much information thank you

[@farnhamcyclecampaign]

Great vid. Surely as a legal 'moped' it now needs insurance. Do you know who sells a policy that would cover an ebike?

[@MNSF99]

I bought a ebike that's 2000W 48V 20Ah battery from Aliexpress. Is there amy chance I won't have to get it registered given that I make sure to always ride at 15mph?

[@wojtasnr02]

How about VIN number you put random chaaracters or DVLA gives ready combination for use?

[@burnerkc]

Hi andy just a general question I got 72v 26ah battery and the charger that came with it is a 3a can I use a bigger amp charger to charge the battery faster without destroying the battery and if I can what would be the best amp charger thanks

[@PaulL42654]

Another quality vid

[@ModModRc]

Am I right in thinking when i take it to be tested i can restrict my 1200kw to 28mph to be a moped? Its a dirt build anyway i don't need over 30mph

[@madmattyrcmadmattyrc7895]

Do you need to have a dimmer on the light. M

[@futureproductions]

I couldn't find in the description links to the e marked headlight you used or other parts like mirrors etc. Would it be possible to get links to the parts mentioned in the video on Amazon?

[@davidhunt6519]

If my e-bike is 1000 watt and has a throttle but I’m pedalling it with no assistance or power (motor switched off) is that legal in the uk ??

[@thechodfather]

Excellent work mate…!

[@xdagasx4153]

Hi,I want to convert 50cc road legal bike to electric 11kw it is like 125cc can I still register as 11kw legal to drive on the road? I find really nice bike without engine and is cheap but 50cc

[@alexanderson5749]

trying to get a 50cc bike engine kit road legal how possible do you think it would be its an old bike with vee breakers and things like that at the moment i have an issue with my head so its not even close to getting ready for the test

[@ggallacher416]

I have the P on back my license but passed test on 2006 so am I OK ?

[@user-ot1dv6ri4f]

you're a legend for this

[@mickgatz214]

@Andy Kirby . What an informative video, but i won't be registering my bike ever!. lol

[@gasmanrus]

How do you stop your sabvotons blowing up? I’ve gone through 2 now & 3 screens. Won’t be bothering again. Looking at a 200A kelly controller.

[@andykirby]

Sabvotons are one of the most reliable controllers but you MUST calibrate your motor to the controller before you use it and also set the parameters carefully. Also Gen1 TFT screens will blow up if you don’t correctly set the max regen voltage. They can’t accept more than 85V.

[@gasmanrus]

Re the center stand; I’m guessing that’s referring to a 2 legged center stand fitted to some motorbikes. They will flip up when you push the bike forward 👍🏼

[@ahmedkassim829]

If I am converting on old petrol bike to electric do I need to go through this test?

[@loopy2098]

hye mate i am in the process of getting ready to build a Ebike well.. not really a "ebike" i am using a ktm 125sx bike to convert do i still have to apply for a vin number? or can I just use the one on the bike itself? and also when applying would it fall under a 125 licence or can apply for it to be registered as a moped? sorry for all the question I have tried doing my research but I don't seem to get any solid answers i was just wondering if you had any knowledge to shine some light on to help me out , thank!!!

[@marmac567]

Is it now registered? What does the v5 say for make/model? Thanks

[@markifi]

Kirby video yaaaaaaay!

[@ilikeswimin]

Is it possible to do this with I bicycle? Like your trek e bike?

[@utubeape]

Does the kick stand have to be on the left?

[@alibangu8388]

Same thing for Ebikes without Peddles?.. mine will be 1000w. Without Peddles. ?? Does this mean it's ok without Peddles.

[@Sur-Ron]

I’m thinking of getting a Sur Ron. But not sure whether to get the off-road version and get a pedal kit to make it look like a bike, or to get the on road version which I’ll have to get my cbt to ride and I’ll have to get insured etc… have you got any advice? I’m conflicted as I want to use it to ride everywhere not just on the road. If I get the on road version I won’t be able to ride anywhere like I would the off road version. All the roads near where I live are all 20mph roads now so I wouldn’t be doing faster than that. It just depends if you get pulled over or not and they decide to see what the bike can actually do

[@naturalman4185]

That’s my exact problem. I’m still looking for an answer

[@J23WAD]

what age do you have to be to ride the same on e road legal?

[@sakkirchoudhury9410]

Can u plz tell me which motor will I need to do 60 mph

[@obinnaeke8067]

I'm planning on registering mine too, I am sorting everything out now and was wondering. The VIN number, 17 characters. How did you find one? Did you just out random numbers and letters? Or is there a specific way of creating a vin number?

[@ebikerich]

Write to DVLA at the address below stating you are building a vehicle which will require a VIN. They will generate one and send it in a letter in the post. VC15A/MASET DVLA Swansea SA99 1ZZ

[@umairaziz1971]

How much did it cost to insure?

[@hkilimouri]

Hello Andy, I got inspired by your adventure and I’m now going through the same struggle. I need your help to find appropriate brake levers for my e-scooter. I hit the dead end in my search. I can’t find any of the tektro ones you used in stock anywhere and it’s driving me mad as I look through to find a lever with an oil level gauge or that little window. The other motorbike ones aren’t useful because they don’t have electric shut off connection wire. Do you have any knowledge of another brand that’d be suitable for my e-scooter and one that I can actually get hold of in the UK? Cheers!

[@johndragonman]

yep 1 year still no reply i am in the same boat.

[@lezbriddon]

do you /really/ need a window? from the msva docs 12. Check that hydraulic system reservoirs are so designed and constructed that the level of the reserve fluid can be easily checked. Note. ‘Easily checked’ means that the task can be completed by using no more than those tools originally supplied as part of the vehicle equipment. ~~ So get a little zip up bag, put a pzi screwdriver or allen key in it, mount it under the seat or somewhere and then those are the tools as supplied with the bike, to check levels you unscrew the filling cap. just my interpretation, and what i am doing as i'm using standard brake cables down to hydraulic calipers which have a filling screw/plug

[@PaxTemplar]

you got a link to those tektro brakes? gonna convert an aniioki AQ177 pro max then in the summer convert an Aniioki V7 dual motor. 4 pin hydraulic brakes with reservoir and a 2 pin red higo would be the dogs bollocks!

[@johndragonman]

what brakes do you use??! the ones in the description are nothing like the ones in the video. a little help would be great here..

[@johndragonman]

tektro hd-e710 ahh they are not made any more.. great.

[@_el.guapo_]

That bike is based on a TREK MARLIN 5 ? I was really not aware of these conversion kits. That's an awesome job.

[@Macrais]

Did msva ask about battery weight ?

[@KnightShift006]

I'm doubling the speed or triple and double triple speed and mileages without no electric price distance going 3x less mileage.

[@mattallott6662]

im wanting to do this to a steath b-52 is it possible

[@kyleclutter6885]

Hi I have a rfn apollo motocross bike 4kw would I have to do this please bud 🙏

[@ukdnbmarsh]

i dont have a car licence, i do however have a full uk motorcycle licence which it seems i can ride one of these things on

[@andyd747]

You don’t need a stand. You don’t need indicators. You only need a brake light for lights and get a daytime MOT

[@andykirby]

You need a stand for MSVA but not for MOT, you don’t need indicators for MSVA or MOT, i ride at night occasionally and the bike looks a lot better with a headlight.

[@sangetube]

Can you carry a child seat like a bicycle on an AM entitlement moped?

[@parjacpar3077]

Some of what you said i already knew about as have a full motorbike licence and worked in a motorbike shop. You mentioned about sgarp edges which reminded me when i worked at a ford dealership which was a MOT station as well a guy bought in a VW camper which was full of holes it failed because of the sharp edges so fnight before retest he wall papered it to cover the holes and sharp edges and it passed as no shatrp edges You can get a reflector thats about the size of a one pence piece and it round there popular and people stick them on number plate there only £1 You mention about using brake switches to work the brake lights is there any way you can still use them to cut out the motor and operate the brake switches at the same time ?

[@funfunkydiscosdjstutz1100]

Andy my ebike had its first MOT today..passed no problems.

[@andykirby]

Awesome 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@fadeelements159]

What can I do if I'm 16 and wanting to buy one

[@drewbush6535]

Same with scooters?

[@scannaunderscore1]

Yes but doesn't it need to be road registered with plate aswell?

[@PKMartin]

AFAIK this process is to get the bike approved as roadworthy, which gets you a "minister's certificate" (?) that you can then use along with the VIN to get it registered, which will get you a numberplate and the ability to insure/ride on roads.

[@contessa.adella]

What a load of old bureaucratic nonsense…Kind of a metaphor for so much that is wrong with UK officialdom. Almost anything can be prohibited under the guise of manipulated false safety assumptions…200 pages of overly restrictive and largely unnecessary regulation. It has all gone way too far. Thanks for the informative well presented video Andy.

[@PKMartin]

You've (understandably) gone down the route of registering as a moped for simplicity - how much more work do you think it would be registering as a 125cc class motorbike, so you can have 11kW and legally go above 30mph? I'd love to do something like this one day but given the MSVA faff it seems like it's easier to buy a 125 donor and just re-register as a different fuel type.

[@andykirby]

Yeah it would be easier to buy a 125 and convert it. The advantages of a small moped class bike is they are light and the power to weight ratio is crazy. There’s mopeds around here doing 40, you wouldn’t wanna go faster than that on a bicycle frame really.

[@kimhyunwoo8983]

Honestly I’m surprised the ebike/edirtbike community hasn’t taken the Honda Navi as a PEV conversion platform.

[@MaxTheSkateGod]

If you register it can you still ride it in the streets and bike paths

[@andykirby]

No.

[@applesthompson863]

Can the Super 73 electric bike be made legal has motorbike style light all seem similar too your 1

[@andykirby]

Yeah it could be, easily....not sure that light is a proper motorcycle one though.

[@KnightShift006]

Kurz YX racing has the idea £30-50 per each 5 mph (10 mph 20%) 10% more mileage on a 50 mph tops goes 60 mph at £25-£40 each 5 mph increase per each cc Equivalent I'll be double triple my speed 50 to 100mph /150 mph any EV or combustion a few simple part/s

[@eddiephillips6740]

Hi Andy love your vid ,I have a 250 watt Trike I would like to upgrade to a 500 watt is there any one who you know of upgrades Ebike's and Trikes and makes them road legal as a business EDDIE

[@myobboy9973]

Thank you Andy. Now a hybrid cycle with a basic 750 watt Bafang mid drive conversion should have this registration, but is it practical? I think the community needs to pressure the government or DVlA to give us a class between a pure pedelec and an electric moped. The current regulations simply do not cover the circumstances of anybody needing an e-cycle that can actually safely climb a 1 in 5 gradient. This fine for people living in nearly flat cities, but leaves the hill country dwellers out in the cold. In the meantime, I must just remeber to stick to 15 mph if ever the law could see me or actually restrict the Bafang control to 15 mph. If even a DVLA inspector has to just take your word for the maximum power, perhaps I should now breath easy?

[@TimpBizkit]

I experimented with the "speed limit" option in the display menu, but it doesn't seem to do anything. The motor does not deactivate at any speed of the back wheel, whether the thing is set to 99km/h or lower than 25km/h. Geared tall enough (52/11) I've had the full "1200w" on the display at 45 mph down a hill pressing the thumb accelerator all the way.

[@myobboy9973]

@@TimpBizkit The one I built for my son was 750 nominal, but also gave 1200 in acceleration. But this one did cut out the urge at the selected speed. Unfortuately, all we need is for some high profile person like an MP or something to be killed in an accident riding on one and then it will all be over for high power home built e-bikes in Europe and the UK. Hence I would urge the e-bike community to ask for a new legal slot between moped and pedelec. If you buy a new control unit it will probably work fine. With the latest controller set to 15 mph and step three of nine, the Bafung 750 rides exactly the same as a pedelc but the thumb throttle should also be removed for legal reasons. The 1200 watts is just what one needs for climbing 1 in 8 gradients of course.

[@andyc18865]

Very interesting Andy, although it does sound and look like a minefield to do, but all in all a very good Vlog

[@TimpBizkit]

What about mid-drives and multiple speed manual transmissions? Is there anything about exposed chain and gears e.g. with a standard bicycle drivetrain. Does it have to be an automatic or single speed/twist and go? Do the gears have to be covered and are derailleur gears an acceptable transmission?

[@E-BikingAdventures]

Sorry. What were you talking about? I was hypnotized by the lights on your keyboard.

[@davidking3699]

Was there any requirement for a chain guard? or chain tensioner?

[@andykirby]

Nope

[@davidking3699]

@@andykirby I know from a car perspective they don't want spinning things that can trap or scour a person or pedestrian, or that clothing may become caught in... so thus the guard question... and as for the tensioner, with a longer swing arm and more travel than say a MTB, the variation in the chain length through the suspension arc was reminding me of my motorcycle days... and stopping the slap of a loose chain at certain suspension positions... Cheers... now get that plate on it and get out and ride... do you still have the requirement to have just the rear plate, with the black writing on yellow background?

[@finalfantasysoldier8455]

Your the best bro. I watch your vids for answers

[@crewgadjy]

Having smaller plates for smaller vehicle may look nicer but makes it pointless. The size is set to make them easy to read.

[@lewearle]

Great video andy, I've emailed you just chasing about my hub motor.

[@iwashere2370]

Lew if it’s from cloudsto? Good luck with that, it’s in China and not posting due to virus

[@lewearle]

@@iwashere2370 No mate this is about a wheel I've had for a while but paid for the rim upgrade and only got a standard one, need a refund for the mistake.

[@danjay2767]

How long have you been chasing that? I've been put right off trying to buy anything from cloudsto due to the lack of communication.

[@lewearle]

@@danjay2767 Over a month, got a reply a couple days ago but I'm hoping it won't be just as long for another reply.

[@wolfe1970]

How did you get on with insurance, id love to go down this route instead of a motorbike, but ive heard getting insurance is a nightmare and expensive

[@andykirby]

Adrian Flux insured it. Give them a shout and mention me and they should be able to sort you out!

[@wolfe1970]

@@andykirby Thanks Andy, will check them out

[@madmattyrcmadmattyrc7895]

Do you get the vin number before the test. M

[@andykirby]

Yes

[@jonathanobrien1058]

did you mention helmet, tax, insurance??

[@applesthompson863]

Next you can try make fast electric scooter legal ones like xiaomi .Dualtron fast good ones

[@CurboroughSprinter]

So a moped is not required to have indicators?

[@andykirby]

Correct.

[@AirSync]

If it doesn't meet eapc standards, its classed as moped or motorcycle, and doesn't need any pedals on if u got a driving or bike licence. So why u got the pedals on? Was it just for the test? 🤔 but nice bike bro!

[@mykota2417]

Why does 'have to be' 4kw? Is that 'up to'?

[@chazlead2781]

Can you make your electric dirt bike road legal the black and blue one on your other videos

[@finalfantasysoldier8455]

Battery is the exspensive part

[@mickgatz214]

Can you imagine Highway Patrol (T.O.G in Australia), being in hot pursuit of an innocent E-bike?. haha

[@goodyfpv2297]

Iv go a p and I passed in 2006??

[@victorbooth7100]

Thanks, Give us a tune!

[@Macrais]

Hou long you wait answer from DVLA after you post MSVA paperwork?

[@MrJohnQCitizen]

8 weeks for me

[@Macrais]

Hi did you get V5 ?

[@andykirby]

Not yet but I’ve got my registration, bike is insured and just waiting the plates and the weather to clear up then I can film the first road legal ride.

[@markifi]

so you only need about 60 pages out of 207, and most of that sixty are just drawings

[@windmilldestroyer]

I want to order a kit can't see the link

[@andykirby]

www.cloudsto.com/ebikes/kirbebike-conv-kits.html

[@Ugly_Baby_Gaming]

just looked into this it looks like they dropped the watts to 1000w before it needs a motorbike test the couple of hundreds of pound to test and the rare locations for test is going to put loads of people off so I'm just going to do whatever and not bother with the law screw em

[@jamiejoker118]

Hi mate licence i have a fkinp 21.01.97 can i do it lol

[@derenridley7063]

Anyone tried this with a high powered e scooter?

[@tuguybear930]

Of course, telling lies will invalidate your insurance if you get into an accident and then the what's it will hit the fan.