Nice! I really didn't know this technique. Thanks mate! Well for me I put it on the mix bus before the master bus. It works well...
@plasticpippo2013 жыл бұрын
i also use the multiband 3 fx, but i tend to use it with dynamics device with a slow-ish release time, long release and high-ish knee and then a limiter. in this way the transients are not completely crushed, but only attenuated. pretty much the same thing you did, just a bit more complex :)
@rybotekk2 жыл бұрын
gold. this topic 4me is nr 1 from your content. this is so funny cause i want to understand from the internet how to do it simple stable and effective. i started from fl tutorial to ableton for years. lately i tried bitwig and i found your share. you really safe my music production live. thank you so much! :D
@soundbeee Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! Just wanted to point out that pink noise is *not* exactly equally loud for the whole spectrum to human ears since our hearing is optimized for some frequencies more than others. See „Fletcher-Munson curve“, „psychoacoustic equal loudness curve“ or „Grey Noise“. Pink noise is a good very rough approximation though, good enough for mixing purposes. Just don’t get obsessed with getting the curve as flat as possible since that will not sound balanced 🙂
@frallorfrallorfrallorfrall53423 жыл бұрын
Thanks cedemusic for your stream and recomnending Polarity Music!
@the3mu6063 жыл бұрын
You have the best thumbnails. Laughed so hard haha
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
:D
@rybotekk2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou.
@MusicaMercy3 жыл бұрын
In music there are no rules. Good technique!
@bci39373 жыл бұрын
This very nice Knowledge, thank you.
@gaudinni3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Polarity!
@madvbecity14183 жыл бұрын
Love it man
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
OK, my third comment; I'll stop after this. But, I wanted to point out that the same technique can be used to create mid-side limiter because bitwig supplies the mid-side split device. You can even go crazy and put a multiband fx-3 device in each of the two slots of the mid-side split device and then limiters in each slot of the fx-3 devices. You could put a clipper before each limiter or just before each fx-3 device. The mid boggles. :) We have to do something to soak up all those CPU cycles provided by the coming 16-core CPUs.
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is very good advice! And it's using the capabilities of bitwig to great advantage. Does your hardclip device do antialiasing? That is, does it use oversampling internally? I guess the question really is one for bitwig developers.... The point I'm getting at is if you want to use hard clipping on higher-frequency content, you can get a commercial (there are even free ones) clipping plugin that implements high-degree oversampling. Also, the very good commercial limiters have some degree of multiband capability built in. Because it's cheap and excellent, I use TDR limiter 6: it implements a configurable signal chain with a couple of clipping stages if you desire. But, I really think your solution is probably within a percent or so of the expensive limiters and it's free with bitwig. Modularity strikes again!
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
not sure about the anti aliasing :-) i have all kinds of clippers laying around, but sometimes this is the fastest, most compatible way (project sharing / linux) of clipping. looking into your recommendations now 8)
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic RIght: Linux. I hope Someday to be able to switch to Linux.
@JW-gn5xo3 жыл бұрын
Hi Polarity. Two questions for you if you have the time to answer. 1. You said you use a drum and bass bus. Is that just sub basses that are - 200 hz or does that include Reese mid bass kind of things too? 2. Ive noticed that when I put multi band limiters and clippers on the master like this, I mix into them and they become important to the tracks “glue”. This is fine when you want to have your own self mastered versions, but it becomes a problem when sending out tracks for mastering by someone else. I turn them off and now my tracks lose the glue and also sometimes levels are going into the red. What would you do in this situation? I’m guessing the best thing to do is to keep them off, use a tool plugin on the master to give the mastering engineer some headroom and then send them a version of my clipped/limited mix to give them a reference of how it was sounding before? Thanks in advance. I’ve learned a lot from your channel in the past couple of years.
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
One other thing I'd like to mention since loudness is the topic: if you're unaware, take a look at the sonnox Oxford inflator. There are times when it's just amazing. There are lots of videos explaining it and showing how it can work.
@elossa3 жыл бұрын
This was a great tip! Thank you! Can I make a hard clip in the grid or where did you get that preset?
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
use this kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6jbqmlrZseqhs0
@elossa3 жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic Thank you! You are a saint :D
@jorvten3603 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, have you tried it with other limiters like l2, pro L, elephant? I find the Bitwig limiter less transparent.
@Kkidzz3 жыл бұрын
Ich brauche ein Bitwig Hoodie!! ……geil.
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
super zärtlich zur auf der haut bitwig.bandcamp.com/merch/bitwig-zip-up-hoodie
@axyom97633 жыл бұрын
I think the saturator can be used as a clipper if you push the knee to the max
@ultrajayme2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh so you put the peak limiter inside an FX 3?? I have always just put it at the end of my FX chain and push it hard and then bring the gain down on my tool plugin at the front of the chain and balance the two so my meter averages -2 and doesn't spike into the red. I gotta try this method! Thank you
@PolarityMusic2 жыл бұрын
I mean its not wrong, it all depends on how you want to treat your sound or chain.
@ultrajayme2 жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic I'm looking forward to applying this technique later today. Thanks as always! I may need to level up my membership soon.
@PolarityMusic2 жыл бұрын
@@ultrajayme 🙇♂
@mucklenoize87563 жыл бұрын
This is the otter 🦦 way!
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
😂
@chewlay111 Жыл бұрын
Cool vid bro! I have a question. Do you know if Bitwig has a master DAW tune - I want to detune from 440 to 432 - Any suggestions?
@PolarityMusic Жыл бұрын
Produce in 440 hz and slow the exported wav file down by a certain amount. Easiest solution. :)
@chewlay111 Жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic I use adobe audition to do the who wav which works well but was wondering if Bitwig had a solution to changing the master tune like logic does.
@PolarityMusic Жыл бұрын
no, I don’t know how that should work with vsts or hardware devices. They all had to support that.
@chewlay111 Жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic if you’re doing it globally then surely all audio signals would be retuned like logic?
@PolarityMusic Жыл бұрын
I don’t think logic changes the audio, it changes the note signals, and only for devices that support that (apple instruments) probably. so no Bitwig doesn’t have that, it’s also hard to implement so it works in every case, it’s also very niche and it’s much easier to just slow the wav file down in the mastering proces because it applies to all instruments (hardware, software, effects) without implementing global pitch and a standard for plugins and hardware to support it
@elossa3 жыл бұрын
What's that Grid Note Out device you have in the Poly Grid FX chain?
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
look here kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZniUmmt_lJZ8sJY
@elossa3 жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic Cheers!
@MozzyMozbourne3 жыл бұрын
What about layering different saturators, amps and/or compressors?
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
saturators, amps and compressor or just "softer" clippers/limiters. they cut peaks softer and/or introduce harmonics. If you go for one or the other depends on the sound you are going for.
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
Yes, I was going to make a comment like this. It's up to you. Really, in the end, a peak limiter also introduces some kind of saturation/distortion partly depending on how hard it is working. So, yes, you can choose your saturation/distortion deliberately.
@JakobGille23 жыл бұрын
Not sure if a loudness of -7 LUFS is still necessary especially when e.g. Spotify is making everything below -14 LUFS just quieter. But I surely understand when you're looking for that super compressed sound.
@FluxNoise3 жыл бұрын
I‘d like to see a native bitwig cliper
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
it´s as native as it gets kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6jbqmlrZseqhs0
@FluxNoise3 жыл бұрын
@@PolarityMusic Oh i didn't know you can basically use the 8-Bit device as a cliper. That's nice. I guess the word i should've used instead of native is dedicated :D But if 8-Bit can do the job that's also fine.
@kynomatix3 жыл бұрын
I use the polarity clipper on nearly ever channel. I added an output compensate macro which is just a post bit8 tool and oscilloscope to watch the effect to the chain.
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@kynomatix me too :D most used preset for me!
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
Three only thing is it's sometimes useful to have selectable oversampling and clipping curve. That is one reason why you might use a separate plugin.
@JulienJolly3 жыл бұрын
"it's sound like super shit" - Polarity Music :-D
@PolarityMusic3 жыл бұрын
Hahah 😅
@briancase61803 жыл бұрын
SuperShit, the newest genre on beatport. 🙄 Next: Future SuperShit. Minimal SuperShit. Thanks again, Polarity, for staying ahead of the curve! ☺️
@ultrajayme2 жыл бұрын
HAHA "to make something as loud as fuck..."
@LandOfBits3 жыл бұрын
Oh no what have you done 😅😅😅 the amount of aspiring d&b producers it’s going to flood the server 😅