How to make something Loud with the Bitwig native devices - Tutorial

[@pau1_r3d61]

Superb video yet again. Thanks Polarity 👏

[@gillesantoine7924]

Nice! I really didn't know this technique. Thanks mate! Well for me I put it on the mix bus before the master bus. It works well...

[@rybotekk]

gold. this topic 4me is nr 1 from your content. this is so funny cause i want to understand from the internet how to do it simple stable and effective. i started from fl tutorial to ableton for years. lately i tried bitwig and i found your share. you really safe my music production live. thank you so much! :D

[@the3mu606]

You have the best thumbnails. Laughed so hard haha

[@PolarityMusic]

:D

[@plasticpippo201]

i also use the multiband 3 fx, but i tend to use it with dynamics device with a slow-ish release time, long release and high-ish knee and then a limiter. in this way the transients are not completely crushed, but only attenuated. pretty much the same thing you did, just a bit more complex :)

[@frallorfrallorfrallorfrall5342]

Thanks cedemusic for your stream and recomnending Polarity Music!

[@bci3937]

This very nice Knowledge, thank you.

[@soundbeee]

Great video, thanks! Just wanted to point out that pink noise is *not* exactly equally loud for the whole spectrum to human ears since our hearing is optimized for some frequencies more than others. See „Fletcher-Munson curve“, „psychoacoustic equal loudness curve“ or „Grey Noise“. Pink noise is a good very rough approximation though, good enough for mixing purposes. Just don’t get obsessed with getting the curve as flat as possible since that will not sound balanced 🙂

[@rybotekk]

Thankyou.

[@MusicaMercy]

In music there are no rules. Good technique!

[@madvbecity1418]

Love it man

[@gaudinni]

Thanks Polarity!

[@briancase6180]

Thanks, this is very good advice! And it's using the capabilities of bitwig to great advantage. Does your hardclip device do antialiasing? That is, does it use oversampling internally? I guess the question really is one for bitwig developers.... The point I'm getting at is if you want to use hard clipping on higher-frequency content, you can get a commercial (there are even free ones) clipping plugin that implements high-degree oversampling. Also, the very good commercial limiters have some degree of multiband capability built in. Because it's cheap and excellent, I use TDR limiter 6: it implements a configurable signal chain with a couple of clipping stages if you desire. But, I really think your solution is probably within a percent or so of the expensive limiters and it's free with bitwig. Modularity strikes again!

[@PolarityMusic]

not sure about the anti aliasing :-) i have all kinds of clippers laying around, but sometimes this is the fastest, most compatible way (project sharing / linux) of clipping. looking into your recommendations now 8)

[@briancase6180]

@@PolarityMusic RIght: Linux. I hope Someday to be able to switch to Linux.

[@jorvten360]

Brilliant, have you tried it with other limiters like l2, pro L, elephant? I find the Bitwig limiter less transparent.

[@ultrajayme]

Ohhh so you put the peak limiter inside an FX 3?? I have always just put it at the end of my FX chain and push it hard and then bring the gain down on my tool plugin at the front of the chain and balance the two so my meter averages -2 and doesn't spike into the red. I gotta try this method! Thank you

[@PolarityMusic]

I mean its not wrong, it all depends on how you want to treat your sound or chain.

[@ultrajayme]

@@PolarityMusic I'm looking forward to applying this technique later today. Thanks as always! I may need to level up my membership soon.

[@PolarityMusic]

@@ultrajayme 🙇‍♂

[@elossa]

This was a great tip! Thank you! Can I make a hard clip in the grid or where did you get that preset?

[@PolarityMusic]

use this kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6jbqmlrZseqhs0

[@elossa]

@@PolarityMusic Thank you! You are a saint :D

[@JW-gn5xo]

Hi Polarity. Two questions for you if you have the time to answer. 1. You said you use a drum and bass bus. Is that just sub basses that are - 200 hz or does that include Reese mid bass kind of things too? 2. Ive noticed that when I put multi band limiters and clippers on the master like this, I mix into them and they become important to the tracks “glue”. This is fine when you want to have your own self mastered versions, but it becomes a problem when sending out tracks for mastering by someone else. I turn them off and now my tracks lose the glue and also sometimes levels are going into the red. What would you do in this situation? I’m guessing the best thing to do is to keep them off, use a tool plugin on the master to give the mastering engineer some headroom and then send them a version of my clipped/limited mix to give them a reference of how it was sounding before? Thanks in advance. I’ve learned a lot from your channel in the past couple of years.

[@Kkidzz]

Ich brauche ein Bitwig Hoodie!! ……geil.

[@PolarityMusic]

super zärtlich zur auf der haut bitwig.bandcamp.com/merch/bitwig-zip-up-hoodie

[@axyom9763]

I think the saturator can be used as a clipper if you push the knee to the max

[@briancase6180]

OK, my third comment; I'll stop after this. But, I wanted to point out that the same technique can be used to create mid-side limiter because bitwig supplies the mid-side split device. You can even go crazy and put a multiband fx-3 device in each of the two slots of the mid-side split device and then limiters in each slot of the fx-3 devices. You could put a clipper before each limiter or just before each fx-3 device. The mid boggles. :) We have to do something to soak up all those CPU cycles provided by the coming 16-core CPUs.

[@elossa]

What's that Grid Note Out device you have in the Poly Grid FX chain?

[@PolarityMusic]

look here kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZniUmmt_lJZ8sJY

[@elossa]

@@PolarityMusic Cheers!

[@MozzyMozbourne]

What about layering different saturators, amps and/or compressors?

[@PolarityMusic]

saturators, amps and compressor or just "softer" clippers/limiters. they cut peaks softer and/or introduce harmonics. If you go for one or the other depends on the sound you are going for.

[@briancase6180]

Yes, I was going to make a comment like this. It's up to you. Really, in the end, a peak limiter also introduces some kind of saturation/distortion partly depending on how hard it is working. So, yes, you can choose your saturation/distortion deliberately.

[@chewlay111]

Cool vid bro! I have a question. Do you know if Bitwig has a master DAW tune - I want to detune from 440 to 432 - Any suggestions?

[@PolarityMusic]

Produce in 440 hz and slow the exported wav file down by a certain amount. Easiest solution. :)

[@chewlay111]

@@PolarityMusic I use adobe audition to do the who wav which works well but was wondering if Bitwig had a solution to changing the master tune like logic does.

[@PolarityMusic]

no, I don’t know how that should work with vsts or hardware devices. They all had to support that.

[@chewlay111]

@@PolarityMusic if you’re doing it globally then surely all audio signals would be retuned like logic?

[@PolarityMusic]

I don’t think logic changes the audio, it changes the note signals, and only for devices that support that (apple instruments) probably. so no Bitwig doesn’t have that, it’s also hard to implement so it works in every case, it’s also very niche and it’s much easier to just slow the wav file down in the mastering proces because it applies to all instruments (hardware, software, effects) without implementing global pitch and a standard for plugins and hardware to support it

[@briancase6180]

One other thing I'd like to mention since loudness is the topic: if you're unaware, take a look at the sonnox Oxford inflator. There are times when it's just amazing. There are lots of videos explaining it and showing how it can work.

[@mucklenoize8756]

This is the otter 🦦 way!

[@PolarityMusic]

😂

[@FluxNoise]

I‘d like to see a native bitwig cliper

[@PolarityMusic]

it´s as native as it gets kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6jbqmlrZseqhs0

[@FluxNoise]

@@PolarityMusic Oh i didn't know you can basically use the 8-Bit device as a cliper. That's nice. I guess the word i should've used instead of native is dedicated :D But if 8-Bit can do the job that's also fine.

[@kynomatix]

I use the polarity clipper on nearly ever channel. I added an output compensate macro which is just a post bit8 tool and oscilloscope to watch the effect to the chain.

[@PolarityMusic]

@@kynomatix me too :D most used preset for me!

[@briancase6180]

Three only thing is it's sometimes useful to have selectable oversampling and clipping curve. That is one reason why you might use a separate plugin.

[@ultrajayme]

HAHA "to make something as loud as fuck..."

[@JakobGille2]

Not sure if a loudness of -7 LUFS is still necessary especially when e.g. Spotify is making everything below -14 LUFS just quieter. But I surely understand when you're looking for that super compressed sound.

[@j-julien]

"it's sound like super shit" - Polarity Music :-D

[@PolarityMusic]

Hahah 😅

[@briancase6180]

SuperShit, the newest genre on beatport. 🙄 Next: Future SuperShit. Minimal SuperShit. Thanks again, Polarity, for staying ahead of the curve! ☺️

[@LandOfBits]

Oh no what have you done 😅😅😅 the amount of aspiring d&b producers it’s going to flood the server 😅

[@PolarityMusic]

first they have to join the bitwig gang

[@LandOfBits]

@@PolarityMusic true dat

[@briancase6180]

@@PolarityMusic 👍