How to Position as a Forward In Omega Strikers

[@kinsan89]

"The core never comes to me," I think as I'm standing wide open while my teammate ping-pongs the enemy instead of passing it up to me

[@diegocorvalan5435]

you are still getting value because they cant push the core to that side just by you being there

[@kinsan89]

@@diegocorvalan5435 not as much as value as the goalie recognizing the "pass" emote above my head is me asking to be passed to lol

[@cwynwyn2934]

That's why I almost only play Goalie. If I queue as Goalie that means our team has 3 Goalies.

[@imaplaygames633]

Same, I feel like I have good positioning but my friends never capitalise on it xp

[@zern7617]

@@kinsan89 Those only display to your team.

[@Kohi_of_Greed]

I entered this video skeptical and expecting terrible commentary; I was blown away. This is a set of very important basics presented coherently and comprehensively with a strong voice. Excellent job on this!

[@starwheels8648]

Great video thank you for the very detailed breakdown of positioning. No i can explain why me standing still and not touching the ball is actually the correct play

[@enbypixel]

I recently made it to gold again and i watched this back in mid bronze cause i wanted to get better. rewatching this has been insanely helpful!

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

Just to clarify what he said about "bumpers", thats the corners of the map. You cannot be killed on them. It's actually pretty easy to bait abilities if you can stand such that they will knock you into the corner. Suddenly the enemy team is down half their abilities and they are frustrated they couldn't quite kill you and you stagger is going to regen soon, and thats a good spot to be in. Depending on the comp though, you may want to be more or less defensive. Sometimes I just retreat to the opposite corner on our side as a goalie, so I'm covering a potential cross shot, but am not in the action. That's probably the best thing to do if exerting pressure directly is just going to get you instakilled. Another tactic is to intentionally give yourself an opening to be killed and then fade back, to bait an enemy ability or combo. Make them see a juicy easy kill lining up and then stop it after they commit. A positioning topic not covered here is your combo spots and how to position to facilitate them. There's basically 2 ways to score a goal. Either cross around the goalie or stuff through the goalie. Stuffing through the goalie is something just about every forward has a combo for, but these are very positioning dependent. Someone like Aimi can bank a shot off the side such that the goalie has to stop the core but that Aimi can blink and hit the core and them covering both an early hit or a late hit from the goalie. Juliette on the other hand needs that perfect distance between her having the core and the goalie to do her dash punch combo and force it through. Getting the core in a position where you can't do anything with it isn't that valuable, but if you can consistently setup these combo checkmate scenarios, you will score A LOT more. Now, I did say checkmate, but there is normally some way out with abilities, and then it comes down to baiting abilities and predicting them and a whole complex mindgame that makes up high level omega strikers. When this becomes relevant, it's very useful to know the corner dribbling spot, where you can hit it at the corner and have it bounce back to you, to bait out potential goalie abilities. You even see it happen a few times in this video even though its not mentioned. Just my two cents mostly from watching high level play. I think Bells is a really interesting player to watch because he is IMO the best killer in the game. He finds these perfect moments right when everyones focus is elsewhere to pick off non staggered kills with juliette. I think theres a lot to learn about getting KOs from watching him in tournaments.

[@edgyraven5489]

This covers the basics nicely I think. Will share to anyone who needs it.

[@LovenO.S.]

Perfect let's help this community get better and hopefully this serves as a resource to help newer players.

[@RyanGButler]

okay now how do i force every player to watch this

[@Hw_yozora]

this type of video takes SOOOOO long to make, (i've made a few myself as a brawlhalla player) all the love brother, this is good work.

[@GiganticTOFU]

Nice video. I think the biggest problem people have right now is not understanding when to swap tactic. In the example you gave around 7:30. If the Rasmus run past you through the middle and 2v1 the X you would have to step in to help, as it is most likely going to get pressured toward your goal with no safe way of passing. But, majority of people I see in gold would still stay top lane and wait for a miracle to happen that somehow the X will be able to break through 2 people and pass the ball to top lane. And in the same example, if you as AI MI, goes to bot lane to 2 v 1 Octavia, it would force the Rasmus to go down too. However, Ai Mi has teleport to easily get back to top when the goalie try to clear, but Rasmus cannot. It is this type of adaptability people need to learn to get to higher level. There was one time I was Drekar Goalie in Athen City. The enemy won the initial striker war and kicked the core to my top end. The enemy bottom forward Estelle quickly shifted to my bottom right side forming a pincer situation. And my own 2 forwards stayed in midfield behind the 2 enemies waiting for a pass. I have seen too many forward not recognizing when the goalie or other forward needs help, but they still just wait for a impossible pass to occur. It would be great if you can cover these too.

[@LovenO.S.]

Those are valid situations that i didn't dicuss in this. I think the most real scenario if the Rasmus moves down and overloads the X the core just goes to rune who clears it up to me with an open field ahead. Also i have lower positioning than the Rasmus which gives me an opportunity to pick up the speed before him and deny him the chance to make a play on the bottom. I think i could do a whole video on pressure and ways to releave pressure from your teammates but i think in the set of videos i have in mind that is a later discussion but a good one to keep in mind

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

You actually see in the video the ideal things to do, he just doesn't talk about them. Typically in the 2 forward pincer attack, you should try and be between the two of them, closer to the person that doesn't have the core, to intercept passes. This also means you can use your abilities parallel to you goal making it much less likely that you hit the core towards your own goal. If that pincer is formed and you are goalie and your forwards are just too far away, you are already in a bad spot. You have to either predict the pass with an ability to intercept, or stuff the core through one forward. Basically a 50-50. Sometimes they also open a clear window between them. You need to do this while avoiding getting hit by the forward without the core so you also have to dodge abilities and keeping in mind how the forward with the core might try to stuff you. Ideally you think about what they most want to do, and you preempt it just barely, after they've mentally committed to an option, such as hitting them with an ability right before they are going to strike it or you moving up to force a strike way cutting off the cross.

[@TorManiak]

Yeah, that's basically my issue alongside some that are already discussed in the video. Since I mostly play Octavia, it's even more essential that I position myself right since most of my ability to pressure comes from Flow State (as far as I know, I'm not at a high level as of now), and when I don't use it, I am very slow. Thus, it's especially important for me to know when I should help the other forward and separate from my space. Right now, I usually end up not getting the ball because I assume too much or too little that my teammate will cook, and end up giving away a lock or a goal. Some tips as a video will probably give me enough tools to practice with.

[@grigorigahan]

lol what can I say. I played this game for 10-15 hours, watched this 31 minute video and immediately understood why the way I was playing was trash, and then had probably the best 10 games I've played yet, scoring multiple goals or setups in each. If that's not evidence enough for how helpful this is, I don't know what could be.

[@triboltz3137]

I started playing this game as goalie since my friend didn't like the role too much, and I still primarily do, but I started venturing into forward with characters like Rune and X, and knew that the biggest peeve I had as a goalie were forwards being in the goal box with me, so that was the one thing I had little issues with but I was so lost on everything else with being a forward. This video has really given me some things to work and focus on as I keep working on playing forward, so thanks!

[@bbqchipspls]

A little core guide I'd add: do NOT chase the Core! Position yourself where it WILL be. It's like trying to catch a fish with bare hands.

[@TheWayOfTheWott]

very great and informative guide! i've been slowly trying to teach myself not to just constantly chase the core, but the talk about Area of Influence and Passing Windows really makes where i should be standing instead very clear. side note, and I may be losing my mind, but i'm like, 80% sure that I was the Atlas in the game around 23:27! If I am correct in my memory... my apologies, I do NOT play Atlas and was learning him to help a friend lmaooo

[@LovenO.S.]

If you were that atlas there is no need to apologize. You were playing a game and having fun that is all that matters. I'm glad you found this useful.

[@flightlessnerd3857]

This guide is amazing, sending this to all my forwards as a goalie main

[@LovenO.S.]

My goalie has been sending it to me. :(

[@flightlessnerd3857]

@@LovenO.S. skill Issue I fear

[@aerialsnack]

Fantastic video! I love how clearly you were able to explain the concepts. One of the few diamonds I hate seeing on the enemy team lol

[@LovenO.S.]

Aww. That was so sweet to read. You made me cry :)

[@jackyfudge5115]

YOOOOOO, I'm like 95% sure that X at 3:16 was me. This was a good explanation and it was really helpful, thank you. Positioning is something I've been trying to work on, especially with playing on controller and thus having a joystick rather than mouse brings its problems. Do you have any specific advice for demon dais? I struggle hard at knowing what in the heck I should do there as its such a mashfest.

[@LovenO.S.]

I do have advice but I don't think it is easily conveyed via text. I need at least a picture or something. I recommend you join the Coaching Discord where myself or someone could be better able to answer the question. discord.gg/w9hMG4nrqa

[@eviltom8783]

Great video. A valuable resource.

[@incognitocappucino1972]

Very helpful, thanks.

[@amikawi]

Really well made video. Hope you'll make more content!

[@LovenO.S.]

Thank you the next video has been in the works I'm hoping to get it uploaded tomorrow!

[@MBValentine]

Dynamite video, I already had bits and pieces of a lot of this (low plat) but having it explained so clearly is a godsend!

[@therockinist9586]

This video makes me feel heard, thank you

[@Potat7202]

I'm currently playing as a goalie but this definitely gave me some ideas and things to look out for from my forwards, thanks for the video!

[@Azaela]

Thanks for the vid/tips. I’m a new player and have had a hard time trying to play well. I’ll have to keep in mind staying more spread out to be open for passes and getting the core past the opponents.

[@Mister_Taxman]

A really great and comprehensive mechanics video! Thanks for this!

[@Luke0Maker]

Spread out is a ping I see many people using, but when the person uses it and I leave that area to them, they are unable to defend alone. It's so ironic. It works more if I just get as much speed or range as possible to be able to protect multiple zones at the same time and don't depend on them all the time, you could link that up to your previous teaching about zone of influence, would be better but you did a good job explaining.

[@Kazthe2st]

good guide, I will say as a brawler player that some brawler positioning is a bit different but overall forward this is spot on and things you need to master to be bale to play in diamond+ lobbies

[@LovenO.S.]

Yeah the brawler parts of this game I don't know well enough. Maybe someone else makes that video *wink*

[@zabimaru4866]

Dude great video! Hope you keep making content!

[@sokoysugoi2638]

if you're curious what your goalie is thinking at all times, the answer is "please, for the love of god, leave my box" :')

[@ukulelechicken4814]

Nice vid im a mid plat aimi goalie and its been fun climbing and seeing some more things to improve on is always good!

[@xsomeNOOBx]

Outstanding video. Really stands out in the OS space. Hoping for more!

[@lehmanclan]

Absolute banger of a video. The most important thing is having map control, and if you understand that the best place to be on the map, is where the enemy isnt (In essence, exceptions exist of course) the game becomes that much more fun to play

[@vanarzyksianardeamnis3078]

I thought to myself sometimes "My striker feels too slow", but only when playing Asher as a Goalie Idk why, but when playing Rune or Atlas or Dubu as goalies I feel no such thing, while Asher for me sometimes doesn't feel right without some speed... This video kinda helps me understand how to change my approach, even if it was intended for Forwards only

[@Siinory]

I did confirm "The core never comes to me" and it's due to my goalie preferring to pass it to my ally who has the whole enemy team, the police, the military and the 3 surrounding towns on them instead of me standing in a very open position, or the goalie ping-ponging. No matter how much I ping "Spread Out!" i never see it... Also Rune Moment

[@justever5301]

LMFAOOOOO

[@Shadowserpant00]

my tip is to not emote comms lol. 99% of the time it just pisses off your teammates. You just gotta wait for them to notice you

[@Siinory]

@@Shadowserpant00 At some point I just get frustrated to see my goalie keep playing ping pong while I am entirely free

[@matthewmorse2380]

Thanks man. More like this would be great.

[@canaleta3343]

the best guide of omega strikers

[@thelaughingdragon32]

Thank you for this it helps me with my aimi!

[@aurav4643]

I had a case like this rune in Silver. It was a Vyce and I was playing Dubu keeper. The Vyce was camping in front of my goalbox, thus preventing the other attacker and myself to do our job. And each time we would concede a goal, they would turn to me and use the "..." Rune emote.

[@Shadowserpant00]

you gotta know your gameplan, analyze, and stick with your analysis. Literally every goal looks like it's the goalie's fault, but only you (or a very high skilled attacker) can tell when it isn't

[@gamebreakergeebz5094]

Great video dude, very well made and informative. Positioning is something that I have been trying to improve on ever since I got out of silver, and this video says all the right things! Right now I'm in mid plat and the part about positioning when staggered is something I really needed help with, for that I'm very grateful to have found your guide as I now feel like I'm gonna spend less time dead.

[@willlawlor2398]

Hey man much appreciated on the guide. Making anything for goalie?

[@LovenO.S.]

From me no. I'm not a goalie player and I don't want to make videos on things that i am not confident in. I only want to make videos discussing topics that I have a good understanding of. I have been talking to TheClockWorkmage who is currently a mid diamond goalie player. I know he has been talking about making a guide like this for goalies. No idea when or if that will be.

[@bbqchipspls]

Also loved the guide!!

[@Rapitor]

As a Goalie... how do i force my forwards to watch this before every match.

[@LovenO.S.]

That's the neat thing. You don't! My Goalie sends this to me all the time though XD.

[@noradseven]

Something missing from the discussion as a flex player instead of just a forward is having a 2nd player play goalie right on top of you like that is...very very difficult, because often they are just straight up a worse goalie than the goalie is, and don't clear properly so they will force a strike war for no reason and try to force it past. Thankfully it mostly stops once you get out of the ELO hell of gold unless the forward has lost trust in their goalie.

[@LovenO.S.]

Fair point. The short is let the goalie goalie stay away!

[@khongbiettuc7445]

I'm playing with high gold as goalie and everytime I saw my 2 forwards chasing the core, I just dying a little bit inside, knowing that I'm 90% losing that game

[@westleylewin3182]

great video, I look forward to future content. if I had one complaint, then may I suggest that you try talking just a little faster to keep my ever decreasing attention span

[@LovenO.S.]

That was a "complaint" I had myself I admit this isn't the best produced content you will find on KZbin. I don't know if I will change that going forward as I value clarity highly and taking time to enunciate is intentional. I honestly recommend that if you find it to be slow the view of course can speed it up. I recently watched this back to critique it myself and I turned it up to 1.25x times speed. I appreciate the feedback though I've got a lot of growing to do with my video making skills as this was a first.

[@westleylewin3182]

@@LovenO.S. well I thought your script and visuals were both very good, which is more than I can say for other low sub count KZbin I've watched. I can't wait to see where you go with this channel!

[@LovenO.S.]

Thanks for the kindness. This community is so wholesome. I'm working on the next video while I'm Elo camping for top 500. Which hopefully is the same quality if not better

[@iyze8792]

sought out knowledge in omega strikers but the video definitely didn't need to be half an hour -- easily could be condensed to about a third of its runtime with a bit more clarity and effort.

[@LovenO.S.]

I think this video should have been 20 minutes or broken up into two videos. It is a lot of content just not presented in the best way possible. That being said it's like the first video I've ever made and I'm not great at this. I'm trying to get the current one that I'm working on to be more polished.

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

The important one for me is "Let em cook" as I do get impatient with teammates or try and steal an opportunity and end up failing. Especially if teammate is doing really well

[@TherealNathan]

This video made me sub

[@freax305]

I still getting spam "Pass" by my teammates while getting gank by 2 opponents and my teammates positions themselves by literally on 2nd half of the field , am I supposed to try pass to them or just hold the ball?

[@LovenO.S.]

Good question hard to state without an image or a video to look at. I'm working on a video right now thY will hopefully help you answer that question for yourself. A short answer is just because someone spams pass doesn't mean they are correct. I have seen people press the pass ping in high elo when there is no way to get the core to them or even after i just tried to and lost a strike war. If there is no window to pass it to your teammate and you try to anyway odds are it will be heading towards your goal soon. So if therr is no passing window don't pass.

[@Hw_yozora]

what is the site you use for stats please?

[@LovenO.S.]

CoreStrike.gg

[@kineticfunk]

bonus points from me for hiding peoples names

[@f0rgus]

I personally like playing a quite aggressive goalie and tend to pull it off if no one is disturbing my peace (main role is forward) Which is why I tend to say "move forward, I wont pass to goalies" (in a call) when my forwards wait for passes at midfield :)

[@Chizazu]

I love your videos please keep making more content! But don't use Juno's theme again please, it's just royalty free music. Refrain from Dubu's for the very same reason 😳

[@LovenO.S.]

That's why I use them though :(

[@ddd09ish1]

...play map side explains alot about why I'm still in low/mid gold

[@dmitro-]

i can't became plat and stuck in high gold like for month, afer watching you video/guide i will try to improve myself

[@kingtaeyeon9483]

Can you explain what happens when "overtime"?

[@LovenO.S.]

Honestly not sure what you mean by this. If you are asking what overtime does as far as I know it makes the core move faster by either making it weaker (defenisvely) giving the strikers extra power. I don't really know which it is. Also respawn times increase I believe. If you are asking how this should effect your positioning idk. It probably doesn't change much but my experience with overtime and actively thinking about it is very limited.

[@kingtaeyeon9483]

@@LovenO.S. thank you

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

In the context of this guide, it drastically lowers area of influence, because the core moves faster but you and your abilities don't.

[@quelldieu7263]

99% of the players doesnt know this, so dont expect em to play like this lol

[@br0n_]

it starts out like therapy bru

[@paulcarroll473]

I thought that rune was goalie. Even as goalie he should be midfield in that situation, since he can teleport back. 14:05

[@sandgaming8801]

I prop should have watched something similar to this like 60 hours of pt ago

[@quelldieu7263]

3v1? so aimi is counted as 3 now ig XD

[@FridayNightFunkin-m7n]

real

[@Lolic0nz]

RUNE IS NOT THE GOALIE 🤣🤣🤣

[@Inkshadow_OS]

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