How to set up and fish Deadly Duo, Dry Dropper, Klink and Dink

[@mikeney5113]

Thanks for the great information lindsey.keep on the good stuff.tight lines to ya my friend!!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks! You too!

[@patrickhumphrey606]

Your methods and instruction have been extremely helpful for me. I’ve been fishing for over 40 years with the fly, and I can tell you this…… I am amazed with how I have doubled or more by catch. Thank you so much.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Patrick, that’s amazing well done. Glad the videos have helped. 👍

[@billdykes3921]

Perfect, clear, instructional video with bags of good sense, thanks. I am researching (ha! testing) duo fishing here where I have just retired in the south west of France amid 100's of kilometers of the best trout water I have ever seen. Your common sense in the short distance to the dropper, if you use it at the time, is good, and to tie directly on the hook also makes sense if there are no rises... so... after hours of trying to find the "best" solution I found a fly online that has TWO eyes. The location of the two eyes makes the dry fly float quite vertical, assuming the nymph has some weight, not sitting on the surface but penetrating the water to immitate an emerger and the nymph, directly attached to the second eye, can be given the desired dropper length depending on the water, leaving the hook tip nicely exposed. What I could not find was where to buy these hooks as I want to tie it myself to get my desired pattern and to secretly put some foam inside there somewhere so the half-submerged "indicator" emerger fly floats well enough for me to see with my (also) dodgy eyesight. I will let you know if I find the hooks, if any other knows, please let us all know. PS: Ally Gowans of Ally's shrimp salmon fly fame was my ghillie many years ago in Pitlochry. I was fishing for trout, he took a small rod, no waders, no bag, just two of his own flies in his shirt pocket and no net (!) and went upstream, I, and all my kit, went down. I blanked the day, he came back to lunch having tailed a fresh run salmon of 5-6 kilos. What can I say? His nickname in the area is "God". Tight lines!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Enjoy retirement pal, more time for fishing 👍

[@fliesbychris]

Nice one Lindsay!! I've been tying a few stimulators and royal wulffs for dry dropper rigs (NZ style). They're great fun to tie, there's loads of different techniques on both types of flies. Keep em coming Lindsay!! ATB Chris.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Sounds great Chris both good flies for the Duo!

[@duderoony]

Another great trip with accompanying tips. Thanks for another upload Lyndsay.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@crs1321]

Love fishing the New Zealand drop Lindsay. Thanks for the tips. 🎣👏👍

[@lindsayiflyfish]

No problem 👍

[@hikesteepfishhigh]

dry dropper is very common here in California. it used to be popular when I was young to use a stimulator or large elk hair caddis as the dry. now days it is more common for people to use a foam hopper. it's especially advantageous when you need to use a heavier bead head to get down in the water column. a size 12 chubby Chernobyl floats a pretty heavy nymph. if I need more I'll use a 10 Amy's ant. I tie my dropper to the shank of the dry. I've tried using a double surgeons knot to create a tag but found it always gets tangled and eventually would need to be re-tied. I assumed a klink and dink was a klinkhammer with a dropper. I use klinkhammers when fish are eating emergers slightly subsurface and refusing drys on the surface. I have used it though for no reason other than it is easy to see. I often fish small creeks upstream Joe Humphreys style with just a nymph where I'm only watching my fly line a to indicate strikes.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

It is still very popular here, I view it as just another way of targeting fish. I fish a lot of Chalk streams and find it useful for tackling spooky fish.

[@leighbarnes2922]

Awesome vid and some great info. I either tie nz style but mostly I have tied a number of dry patterns with a tippet ring attached at the end of the body of the dry or to the shank. Some braid works well to securely fasten the ring. I have a box of those mostly parachute style patterns but I had a few experimental gnat type patterns with a thin sliver of foam under the body dubbing. Found them deadly, with the tippet ring the dropper filament tends to hold its position slightly more parallel to the water, using that I noticed the dry hits increase substantially.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

That's great info Leigh, I have tried a similar thing with this pattern kzbin.info/www/bejne/q32Wd6VphsuDi9U

[@leighbarnes2922]

@@lindsayiflyfish you know I think that fly video of yours may have actually been where in started my exploration of patterns and approaches for these. Keep up the epic content!

[@grantlaredo9795]

Gday, one thing I like to do, and i am sure you know this. Is to use a dry fly, with a very large eye, this way i can slide dry up or down easily, to change depth, of nymph, to suit water i am in, as I go up stream, slide (no tying knot on water, my eyes not what they use to be)so it really works like a none hook indicator, and is looped on same way. I find this brings good results! Thank you for your video , all the best From Tasmania Australia! Ps: might need your line straighter or shirt to get any kinks out of tippet after depth change..Pss: NZ method for me every time.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Grant, I am not keen on that method myself but acknowledge the great benefits. This video from #Steve Cullen might be of interest a similar idea. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZC3pWWJjcZ4bpI

[@chrisjones9725]

Thanks for a really informative video will certainly give it a go.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

You will be surprised how effective it is.

[@johnpowerangling7539]

Brilliant video 👌 when fishing the duo I’m much prefer the dropper style of rigging up

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Fair enough! There are benefits to having the fly on the dropper for sure.

[@richarddvll]

great idea about tieing several ahead of time

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad you liked it

[@thunderchildSCO]

Great video very informative, I might give this method a shot on East Lothian Tyne. You got yourself a new sub, tight lines.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks buddy and thanks for subbing.

[@billdykes3921]

PS: perhaps not practical but an idea could be to tie in a piece of monofiliment that goes through the existing hook eye and back along the body of the fly, under the tying material, ending in a loop that emerges from the back of the fly, all nicely hidden with whatever you are tying with. In that way you can attach the dropper to that monofiliment eyelet, have direct contact/reaction, but still leave the hook relatively free for a take. The "Lindsay Loop" ?

[@anthonymcquillan4283]

New to fishing really enjoyed the video learned a lot . Regards aAnthony

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Many thanks pal, glad it’s helping 👍

[@PsilocinThistle]

very informative top edit dude....

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks a lot 😊

[@russellthompson2947]

Great vid Lindsey cheers

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Sribolov]

Nice and informative video. Thanks!

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Glad it was helpful!

[@danwettlaufer1285]

I've only just started this past month or so with a dry dropper. I like to tie my nymph in to the eyelet of the dry, I find it indicates like the NZ but it also keeps the tippet from hanging off the back and spooking the dry hits away

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Dan, I have tried that but if you are concerned about spooking fish you are better using a dropper buddy.

[@kimboland8933]

Barbless Flies have dries with tippet ring tied 8n at back to save tippet sliding off when there is no barb. I still feel it pushes fly away when fish go for dry. As you said dropper adds to tangles 😢.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Always a compromise 👍

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Always curious considering all land is largely private in the UK how and where you get to fish? Growing up in colorado we use NZ setup but my Grandad who was strictly a wet fly fisher always used loops to put leader and flies together. He always caught fish and would often skunk me. His favorite were the muskrat nymph/ full dress and a ginger quill wet on the dropper. Ive been wanting to experiment with streamer/wet fly-nymph combination.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

In England and Wales you need a fishing licence not required in Scotland. Then in most instances you need to purchase a day ticket to fish. That said there are some free bits of water but they are few and far between.

[@richardswift8856]

hi, loved your klink and dink video are you ever in the Dorchester area? I have a private beat on the Frome, never fished on consecutive days, perhaps you would like to visit? All the best, Richard

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Richard, I have only fished the Frome twice. It is a bit of a distance but I would love to take you up on your kind offer.

[@kyle9256]

A 7/8 ft rod 4 weight be OK for this type of fishing? Great video👌

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Thanks Kyle, yes a #4 wgt rod is ideal👍

[@herring1385]

Great video, things like this are really useful for beginners like myself. 👍 Would this work on a stillwater with a buzzer instead of a nymph?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Yes, absolutely maybe need a big dry fly though or a bung.

[@freddumas8536]

Great !!! But, in case you've got a Barbless hook on your dry fly... Will you not lose your dropper? Or what to do for avoid losing it??? Thanks in advance

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Never had a problem with losing the dropper from the bend of a hook.

[@richardwilliammartin1534]

Great video Lindsay, I’m going to give it a go. However I’ve got the same concerns as Fred. I’ve tried using this approach on still waters with a barbless bung and lost my buzzers a few time. Maybe I’m doing something wrong, fingers crossed it works for me 🙏🏼

[@Michtinko]

hallo great video, what about competiton fishing.. is both of this techniques legal on competition fishing? Thx alot :)

[@lindsayiflyfish]

You can fish Duo in competitions but the dry fly must be tied onto a dropper and the nymph must be a minimum of 50cm from the dry fly.

[@billdykes3921]

PS: it seems that the carp fishers have a similar concept although the second loop is to attach a float to keep the bait off the bottom. Nothing new under the sun...

[@lindsayiflyfish]

That’s true!

[@hikesteepfishhigh]

we fly Fisher people also use a float except we refer to it as an indicator. same thing. same principle. indicator fishing is actually very productive and fairly simple way to fish. it is the most common way to fish nymphs. in tournament fishing it's not allowed so tight lining is the method they use.

[@anthonycaton850]

Might seem a daft question but doing rigs on a cast carrier how do you stop them from becoming unravelled ?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Anthony there is a little slot in the disk you just pop the end of the tippet into the hole then replace the stopper. It works really well.

[@anthonycaton850]

Lindsay Simpson thanks for the quick reply much appreciated

[@Flyfishthebordersandbeyond]

More river tips please pal

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Will do my best, got the builders in at the moment so getting out is not so easy.

[@deceg5284]

Love the videos. Do you use a tapered leader at all. How far is your dry fly from the fly line. I use a 9foot 2x tapered leader at the end of this I tie a tippet ring. I attach my 2inch dropper to the ring for the dry fly 5x I then attach 2.5feet of 7x to the ring and my nymph gets attached to this. By using the tippet ring I save my tapered leader getting shorter each time I tie on a fly. I hope I explained it ok. 🤔

[@lindsayiflyfish]

I do use a tapered leader it is a 9' but I cut it down to around 6' and add a tippet ring then 3' tippet to the dry. Very similar to how you have set up but I would want my dry a bit further away from the tippet ring.

[@deceg5284]

@@lindsayiflyfish Perfect thanks for reply 👍 Tight lines🎣

[@stevegilbraith4866]

If I were to use a duo on still waters for rainbows would you advise to use the dropper method, due to using heavier tippets?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Hi Steve, yes definitely a dropper so you can get good hook ups with the flies.

[@kimboland8933]

Basically a strike indictor such as yarn is the same. IeNZ method. Plus chance of a take on dry!

[@MuddyBootsLuke]

What’s the dimensions of the cast carriers?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Do you mean the disks or the box?

[@MuddyBootsLuke]

@@lindsayiflyfish the box with the discs inside.. the whole unit

[@majewskimusic]

Thanks, ;-)

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Welcome 🤗

[@cyguy8577]

I tie my dropper off the hook eye of the dry.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Have tried that when double Nymphing not with duo though.

[@hopper1aoa15]

So I'm not the only one to suffer the eyes then.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Comes to us all pal!

[@hopper1aoa15]

@@lindsayiflyfish I spent a half hour at dusk one nite trying to change a fly during an intense rise only to finally change it as the rise began to peter out....arrrgh..ah well the joys of fishing....

[@lindsayiflyfish]

@@hopper1aoa15 Got the T-shirt pal....lol

[@johndevlin6934]

@@lindsayiflyfish w

[@johndevlin6934]

where did you buy your cast carrier

[@starskyarsky8374]

I prefer to use a bunch of maggots or worms under my dry fly. 😈🤭😂

[@lindsayiflyfish]

You are a bad man!

[@deanbartlett9539]

You should receive a prison sentence for that! 😂

[@flybookies4403]

6min theory 1min practice.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Train hard fight easy, underpinning knowledge is the key to learning thanks for watching.

[@kennethsanders963]

how stupid ... You didn't show us HOW TO SET UP DEADLY DUO......Very disappointed

[@lindsayiflyfish]

😂 I didn’t?

[@lindsayiflyfish]

I will have another go at it.

[@lindsayiflyfish]

Just watched the video, did you?