How To Solder Connections On A Shower/Tub Valve Body - Moen Posi-Temp

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Benjamin Sahlstrom

Benjamin Sahlstrom

Күн бұрын

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@FranciscoMartinez-zv2rw
@FranciscoMartinez-zv2rw 4 жыл бұрын
It’s obvious that you are a genuine humble guy, I appreciate that.
@benjamess3194
@benjamess3194 4 ай бұрын
Very COMPLETE and CONCISE instructions. You could be an instructor that makes a huge difference in apprentice plumbers careers.
@WallyFuller
@WallyFuller 2 жыл бұрын
Ben, you have made the best instructional video on how to sweat a new modern-style shower valve! You did it step by step and didn't leave out anything. I have done it before, but I don't do it all the time. It was a nice refresher course. People really need to remember/know how to remove the cartridge before they heat the valve. That would be an expensive mistake. Good work, thanks!
@bryanbaker1799
@bryanbaker1799 Жыл бұрын
Have never had the best results with soldering/sweating pipe but this video was excellent. Tackling a shower valve soon!
@withlinbarhm760
@withlinbarhm760 6 ай бұрын
I watched a lot of videos on this. You went into detail the best.
@1980Elplacerdeviajar
@1980Elplacerdeviajar 6 жыл бұрын
More guys like you are needed on this trade ... thanks
@jonathanallred2179
@jonathanallred2179 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the same valve. Bruh, you’re a life saver. Thanks, Ben!
@rooster1828
@rooster1828 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! You saved my butt Ben since I was tying in the same Moen diverter into my bathroom remodel. Thank you!!!
@segue3940
@segue3940 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I figured the cartridge needed to come out before soldering but you affirmed that. Also liked your comment not to over heat.
@krystenhanson6784
@krystenhanson6784 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben! Bought a shower valve that had two water supply Pex connections and two male universal NPT for tub and shower. I didn't want to use a screw in for the shower since I am using Pex (capping off tub with copper and cap), I did not realize they made male Pex adapters and the local big box store didn't understand what I was looking for. Now that I know what I need, I can sweat the adapters like I wanted to!
@tomritch1354
@tomritch1354 7 жыл бұрын
You might recommend application of silicone grease (the type approved for potable water and/or FDA approved) to the rubber surfaces of the cartridge prior to re-installation. The heating process will have caused the factory grease to dissipate.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 7 жыл бұрын
+Tom Ritch Great suggestion. Thanks for pointing that out!
@1980Elplacerdeviajar
@1980Elplacerdeviajar 6 жыл бұрын
True , but non of the lazy ass plumbers of CT .. will do that .. I bet all my money 🤣
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
i put silicone grease on my sister in laws moen kitchen faucet cartridge and she complained it opened and closed too easily it would slowly close itself from the weight of the handle. i thought that was a great feature lol . i said don't worry it will wear off and be hard to open soon enough lol
@joelstolarski2244
@joelstolarski2244 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Have another Moen. Good refresher, because last one was several years ago.
@ronh9384
@ronh9384 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. Like you I always solder with the valve upside down but also sand or brush/clean with the valve port upside down so I don’t get any debris in any little orifice and causing a problem.
@mootrevo
@mootrevo 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Excellent and knowledgeable presentation by a “for-real” craftsman. Looking forward to more videos.
@marcelmordechai800
@marcelmordechai800 3 жыл бұрын
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@lucajensen5559
@lucajensen5559 3 жыл бұрын
@Marcel Mordechai Instablaster =)
@marcelmordechai800
@marcelmordechai800 3 жыл бұрын
@Luca Jensen thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and Im trying it out now. Takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@marcelmordechai800
@marcelmordechai800 3 жыл бұрын
@Luca Jensen It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I am so happy! Thanks so much you really help me out!
@lucajensen5559
@lucajensen5559 3 жыл бұрын
@Marcel Mordechai glad I could help =)
@Beapark
@Beapark 5 жыл бұрын
Well done! Great video that clearly explains the entire process. Thanks!
@Ramb0Br1te
@Ramb0Br1te 6 жыл бұрын
I'm about to start sweating all my joints. Very informative and this was exactly what I needed. Thanks!
@Peter-.H
@Peter-.H 8 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, well presented and explained. I subscribed. Thank you!!!
@gadasavideos8564
@gadasavideos8564 9 ай бұрын
I've seen it suggested that before reinstalling cartridge you should run water to flush out any debris.
@1jfecteau
@1jfecteau 7 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration technique and explanation while dropping an important tip regarding soldering the body before mounting to ensure the outlets don't get clogged. +1 subscribers
@felipetelleztorres967
@felipetelleztorres967 3 жыл бұрын
Eres el mejorrrrr!! ( you are the best )my friend thanks from st paul Minnesota 🤣🤣😁👍 I consume what Minnesota makes
@design2work881
@design2work881 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Very well done. Ive just done it the wrong way and was looking for help to redo it. Will let you know how it went
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
i like to mention not putting too much solder on fittings they recommend only about the diameter of pipe that keeps solder from running down into mechanism of valve and getting in the way of cartridge
@RogersPhotographyOG
@RogersPhotographyOG 4 жыл бұрын
2:33 the "mark" of a good tradesman. Smart tip for the average DYIer. 4:38 will save you some angst.
@FoxtrotCorpin
@FoxtrotCorpin 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I was a little gun shy to use a torch and solder, but I think I can handle that
@chrisarksey
@chrisarksey 8 жыл бұрын
Valve takes longer to heat up so torch should be on valve side of joint for most of heating?
@DaveNanan
@DaveNanan 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I have an old shower valve that I want to replace with that moen shower valve.
@bustopninja4520
@bustopninja4520 4 жыл бұрын
Great job dude! No "psychological" damage done...lol. I know you did this a few years ago. I don't understand h8ers.
@kaychoe2458
@kaychoe2458 Жыл бұрын
Can I solder if the threads are female? THe half inch pipe itself is too loose but a coupling actually fits pretty well
@knottreel
@knottreel 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that helped a lot. You remind my of the character"Young Sheldon," from the spin off of Big Bang Theory.
@nadinewetzel-curtis7330
@nadinewetzel-curtis7330 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making a useful video -- easy to understand and informative. Going to get the necessary tools and do this!
@SharpBlockSoft
@SharpBlockSoft 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking your time to make this video. Very helpful
@TW-il4vy
@TW-il4vy 5 жыл бұрын
OK... you changed my mind. I was going to use the female thread adapter for my new bath/tub valve, but I found out I have to use copper piping for the tub spout anyhow, so why not solder 3 more fittings while I have to solder one anyhow to reduce the potential for leaking. Thanks.
@johnmendoza6421
@johnmendoza6421 5 жыл бұрын
Me too might as well solder all ports and be safe, Won’t have to worry about leaks.
@jesuschristmelvin
@jesuschristmelvin 5 жыл бұрын
Question: is it ok to use pex tubing as the supply line to your shower head? I was told not to do that because of back pressure when shutting the shower off. I don’t know anything about plumbing and I just redid my entire home myself with pex and the last thing I have left to do is my second bathroom since the solder has lead in it and I need to replace it.
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
there is no pressure on the line from valve to head just a little when running from the flow limiter as long as you have threaded elbow with ears mounted securely it should not be a problem. you don't need to change your pipes just because they have old lead solder there is only a tiny line of solder exposed in pipe and has been coated for years with minerals in water if you're worried run water a minute before drinking from sink if it has sat overnight
@davidrodriguez5804
@davidrodriguez5804 2 жыл бұрын
@@ranger178 I agree if you worry about that little amount of lead then you should worry about how much bleach is in the water.
@nj2mddude205
@nj2mddude205 4 жыл бұрын
If a threaded copper female adapter is used in your illiustration, do you use Teflon tape or solder to seal the connection? Thanks.
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
threaded connections always use joint compound or Teflon tape these valves allow threaded on outside or solder on inside of flitting
@alexanderchuyko4889
@alexanderchuyko4889 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Does it mean that every threaded mixer connector can be used for an inside soldering, please? Or it has to be checked before buying mixers? Thank you
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
most offer the option hose valves for outdoors shower valves lots have that ability thread on outside and solder on inside
@eichelman
@eichelman 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed it took between 8 and 12 seconds before the solder would flow. Were you using MAP gas ?
@bronbybee5071
@bronbybee5071 8 жыл бұрын
nice work. I was wondering if you have to put the solder all the way around but you just put it in one spot and it runs down and around. is that enough to weld it?
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 8 жыл бұрын
You don't necessarily have to run your solder all the way around but I'd recommend doing it briefly. Even if it ends up dripping once. You just want to make sure it's a nice even visible bead all the way around. Good luck!
@melaniedrew1097
@melaniedrew1097 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Excellent video! Super helpful!
@jimanddiana4103
@jimanddiana4103 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, as always. Thanks!
@mcc3374
@mcc3374 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, Ben.
@TheSlipperyNoodle
@TheSlipperyNoodle 4 жыл бұрын
We’re up using map or propane?
@djkosy
@djkosy 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vidéo....question for you my pex fitting are made of brass just like the valve trim will it solder correctly ?
@Militaria_Collector
@Militaria_Collector 5 жыл бұрын
Nice work! And great video
@skoronesa1
@skoronesa1 7 жыл бұрын
Lead free solder is required in all states as part of the "Safe drinking water act".
@MegaDudStud
@MegaDudStud 6 жыл бұрын
I like this video and really appreciate it being posted. This is more of a general question... In this video, it looks like the Solder is being heated (melted) which leads to the joint between the valve and the pipe being filled. Am I right or wrong for seeing that? I ask because I was taught that you should never heat the solder, but heat the objects (valve and pipe) until they are hot enough to melt the solder when solder is placed on those heated objects. Q: Does it make a difference?
@MegaDudStud
@MegaDudStud 6 жыл бұрын
nevermind. I just rewatched the video.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you're correct that you heat the pipe and not the solder as the pipe will melt the solder when it is hot enough. Thanks for asking!
@davew4110
@davew4110 6 жыл бұрын
How do you get to be a journeyman plumber at the age of 15? Man you look young. You'll appreciate that comment years from now. Very nice video with good info. Thank you!
@brandenbyrd9238
@brandenbyrd9238 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video! I have a question what about if you have a female copper threaded end and you solder it to your brass male fitting? Or would it be better just to use some Teflon tape
@SuperJaXXas
@SuperJaXXas 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent, just what I needed!
@wakeywakey4289
@wakeywakey4289 7 жыл бұрын
moen cartridge has a notch on the brass stem. this tells you the up or down direction for it
@brandonfontaine285
@brandonfontaine285 4 жыл бұрын
Before I could getting the fitting hot enough for my solder to melt all my flux boiled away and my solder wouldn’t take. Screwed up so bad I couldn’t get copper out now I can’t get it back in.
@borzycrn
@borzycrn 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@carriersignal
@carriersignal 3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@Superguapo100
@Superguapo100 3 жыл бұрын
I understand soldering is better but for how much… what are the chances that an fip with teflon tape and pipe dope leaks? Like enough to avoid at al cost ?
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
iron pipe is terrible especially in walls and connected to copper it rusts faster when connected to copper, so you get brown water and pipes eventually get holes from rusting
@johngagne33
@johngagne33 4 жыл бұрын
Good video, very helpful
@wayne4424
@wayne4424 5 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the copper male pex adapters?
@bryansmalley
@bryansmalley 2 жыл бұрын
I have that exact same question. All I can find around here (USA, Ohio) is LF brass. I was thinking that you may be able to cut off a pex copper stub out and "make" them yourself, but it seems wasteful and may be more trouble than it's worth.
@robertalexander4588
@robertalexander4588 Жыл бұрын
super video
@skoronesa1
@skoronesa1 7 жыл бұрын
When the brush gets worn down and you have to turn it a million times to make it clean, just squish the handle and put it in a drill ;)
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
yeah i cut handles off and put them in drills all the time they sell female brushes for drill if your going to do lots of soldering
@faviancastillo9346
@faviancastillo9346 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@markernineteen2837
@markernineteen2837 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Benjamin , great video ! which side of this Moen valve does the hot water go in ?
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
hot on left cold on right all plumbing valves
@desigoose
@desigoose 8 жыл бұрын
Can you share the Moen part number for this valve? The ones I keep coming across have tub spout valve too and this is the valve I am looking for.. Thanks
@jpcooler
@jpcooler 6 жыл бұрын
Hi just run a short length of copper and cap it off and attach to the tub spout outlet, and problem solved!
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
i have complete kit and number on valve says 158103 on box it just says posi-temp valve with 1222 cartridge the whole kit is 82912 valve handle and pipe and shower head
@TheTechGuider
@TheTechGuider 3 жыл бұрын
those are tapered threads. make them good and tight and they will never leak
@dt9371
@dt9371 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I just burnt the fuck out my hand ..Now I can count the threads on my fingers...People never grab a valve after you do this!!!!!!!
@bldlightpainting
@bldlightpainting 6 жыл бұрын
Good job man!
@StevennH1
@StevennH1 4 жыл бұрын
What can happen when you solder it without removing the cartridge
@mattmarzula
@mattmarzula 4 жыл бұрын
You could melt the plastic. Any more brain busters?
@StevennH1
@StevennH1 4 жыл бұрын
@@mattmarzula if it still works after without leaking . Is it a big deal?
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
@@StevennH1 if it works i guess you didn't get it too hot worst case it wears out a bit sooner the seals and you have to replace cartridge
@akrasia1969
@akrasia1969 6 жыл бұрын
What is the best method if the existing plumbing is copper?
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 6 жыл бұрын
akrasia1969 Usually to sweat a PEX adapter onto it if possible.
@akrasia1969
@akrasia1969 6 жыл бұрын
Thx
@howardallen1771
@howardallen1771 7 жыл бұрын
Very good. Thank you.
@s.k1972
@s.k1972 5 жыл бұрын
it says HC on the cartridge hot on left cold on right. good video though
@Sean-tz9yd
@Sean-tz9yd 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@nt233
@nt233 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, great video, and I subscribed.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 8 жыл бұрын
nt233 Thanks! I appreciate it a lot. Merry Christmas!
@mousetea3178
@mousetea3178 5 жыл бұрын
it says up on the valve no need for the sharpie mark :) still a good video ;)
@RDYS
@RDYS 6 жыл бұрын
NIcely done.
@juangabriel4173
@juangabriel4173 6 жыл бұрын
3:38
@Spawny500
@Spawny500 4 жыл бұрын
The HC is up genius
@davidestrada7677
@davidestrada7677 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@twoserve2449
@twoserve2449 6 жыл бұрын
It's harder to solder brass to copper when you don't have a turbo torch!, takes more time to heat up and you tend to lose the flux! 😐
@raulgutierrez5920
@raulgutierrez5920 4 жыл бұрын
!!Good but you need to practice with that torch and wet clothe!! 👍🤔
@mikemike457
@mikemike457 8 жыл бұрын
Nice soldering But the shower head pipe has to b a copper pipe Pex pipe inside diameter is 3/8
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 8 жыл бұрын
mike mike copper is only required going down to the tub spout. PEX is acceptable here in Minnesota. Your local codes may differ of course. Thanks for your comment!
@mikemike457
@mikemike457 8 жыл бұрын
It's not about codes it's about having more water volume
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 8 жыл бұрын
mike mike You're absolutely correct. It is not required though even according to Moen to have the shower operate as designed. Remember, the reduced size of PEX is only temporary at each fitting. This is not as restrictive as it would be if the entire pipe was that small. Like I said though if you prefer copper then by all means go for it. It is just not required.
@ronh9384
@ronh9384 5 жыл бұрын
mike mike Mike it depends on if you are using PEX A or PEX B. Pex A is a larger diameter than PEX B. Also, unless you are using a high flow or multiple shower heads the PEX diameter won’t matter as a regular shower head flows less gpm than the PEX can supply.
@florenciocandelaria5400
@florenciocandelaria5400 5 жыл бұрын
lololol "if it bothers you psychologically "
@justlivemyway
@justlivemyway 5 жыл бұрын
That's sign of a perfectionist. I am same.
@mr.p4293
@mr.p4293 6 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@justanotherplumber1603
@justanotherplumber1603 5 жыл бұрын
In the uk you wouldn’t get away with soldering into a threaded brass valve, it’s not aloud
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
@billwilson6096
@billwilson6096 5 жыл бұрын
Gavin this valve is designed for dual purpose fittings soldered or threaded. Take a close look at the valve.
@derrickm2093
@derrickm2093 3 жыл бұрын
Why not
@ranger178
@ranger178 2 жыл бұрын
@@derrickm2093 brass is a bit harder to solder than copper with the new lead free solders but if you clean it enough have lots of flux it will work preferably with a good hot torch
@skoronesa1
@skoronesa1 7 жыл бұрын
Solder has no chance of leaking? I think you meant to say brazing.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 7 жыл бұрын
+skoronesa Soldering is at a lower temperature than brazing. I believe 400 degrees C and under is soldering and above is brazing. Thanks for your comments!
@skoronesa1
@skoronesa1 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know the difference. I was saying you are wrong to say that solder has no chance of leaking, it very much so does. I love to solder copper pipe, it's an art form and is very satisfying, but it is not as reliable as brazing. Obviously brazing is cost prohibitive but you don't have the same issues that can lead a solder joint to fail such as pockets of flux or "burnt" fittings that won't take solder. If you use the correct brazing rod it is self fluxing and you don't have to worry about excess/too little, or burnt flux. Propress can be nice for service of existing copper but is really expensive and the butyl rubber orings probably won't last as long as say polyethylene and you still have the possibility of copper pinholes and flowered joints. Performance wise we should really use fostapex upsized to account for the smaller I.D.. I don't like wirsboro as much as viega pex but they are probably both equal. At least you aren't using polybutylene ;)
@BenjaminSahlstrom
@BenjaminSahlstrom 7 жыл бұрын
You have lots of great paints there and I agree! I was mostly referring to the fact that a "properly soldered" connection has little to no chance of leaking. I haven't seen many leaks develop over time in properly soldered connections before verses pipe thread with sealants. Thanks for elaborating! I appreciate it. Blessings, Ben
@derrickm2093
@derrickm2093 3 жыл бұрын
No, he meant solder. Do it right and it won't leak smartass
@_Patton_Was_Right
@_Patton_Was_Right 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenjaminSahlstrom where are you getting your information that a soldered connection has less a chance of leaking... you know how many 100y/o threaded galvanized pipe systems i've replaced that barely leaked? can't say the same for copper, you're lucky to get 30-50 years in most of Indiana with our hard water
@kevintran7054
@kevintran7054 3 жыл бұрын
like
@skoronesa1
@skoronesa1 7 жыл бұрын
The flux breaks down and prevents oxides when the metal is heated.
@mitchdenner9743
@mitchdenner9743 5 жыл бұрын
If your a journeyman plumber then I'm pretty sure you do know how to do it right have a little confidence bud
@ruffxm
@ruffxm 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's called sarcasm
@deeplorable8988
@deeplorable8988 6 жыл бұрын
Grapes are a detriment to my psychological well being...
@supchurch8055
@supchurch8055 6 жыл бұрын
Boo Sharkbites .
@Wharfrat992
@Wharfrat992 7 жыл бұрын
The word "UP" wasn't a good enough reminder?
@lesgray3355
@lesgray3355 7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Engeman the cartridge doesn’t have any orientation markings only on the valve body, it will fit in either direction. After the first time you put the cartridge in upside down and get a callback from the homeowner or contractor because the hot water is opposite of the H&C markings you’ll mark it or make note of orientation also it only takes once I know from experience.
@ubermenschen3636
@ubermenschen3636 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t buy Moën shower valve. The cartridge is flimsy and fragile made out of too much plastic.
@HeliPadUSA
@HeliPadUSA 3 жыл бұрын
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