How To spray Benjamin Moore Command Paint - FUJI HVLP

Hi everyone, here are a few tips on how to spray Benjamin Moore‘s new Command. This paint dries very fast and has a hard finish. My first impressions are that I like it, and there’s a good chance that it will become my go to paint for furniture projects from now on. I’m delivering this frame with the painting in it later today… If you want to see how it looks in the clients home follow me on Instagram.
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[@JonPetersArtHome]

Hi everyone, here are a few tips on how to spray Benjamin Moore‘s new Command. This paint dries very fast and has a hard finish. My first impressions are that I like it, and there’s a good chance that it will become my go to paint for furniture projects from now on. I’m delivering this frame with the painting in it later today… If you want to see how it looks in the clients home follow me on Instagram. Thanks for watching, Jon Instagram: instagram.com/jonpeters_/

[@lukeremis]

Awesome video! Do you clean the gun between coats? If not, how do you store it without cleaning?

[@OGStr8UpJack]

Have you used some of the commercial coating I.E. Renner/Milesi/CIC Centurion? I have used Renner and love it. However, I can’t buy it in the NY area and have to have it shipped to me which means extra days and forget it if I short myself by a quart on a job. I tried Advance and liked the results but it’s a homeowner product because of the insanely long dry times. I just tried PPG Breakthrough yesterday and see serious potential but now I may have to try this also.

[@johnspanos3862]

Have you perfected spraying this product? If so please update us on needle/thinning etc. Thanks!

[@evancombs1091]

Looks awesome. Did you prime it before hand? If so which primer did you use?

[@markus8515]

Garbage product and horrible spraying technique- you’re dry pissing the shit out of it

[@GreggsWoodworking]

I just made and sprayed 38 kitchen doors and drwr faces with this paint and am very impressed with the results. I thinned the paint to 25 seconds using a #4 Ford viscosity cup the results were uniform. I'll add that I'm an oil or lacquer guy and this paint is as game changer for me.

[@briangibson6445]

At 25 seconds, were you still using 1.8mm tip on an HVLP cup gun?

[@GreggsWoodworking]

@@briangibson6445 yes

[@evancombs1091]

What primer did you use?

[@GreggsWoodworking]

@@evancombs1091 I used an alcohol based stain blocker primer.

[@GreggsWoodworking]

@jamisonr I'm sorry I can't answer your question. I'm not familiar with your spray set up. I used a gravity feed hvlp gun run off an air supply not a turbine. I think you're just going to have to experiment. Wish I could be more help.

[@austinconnor6393]

Yesssssssss! I love it. I took the plunge before anything was out on the internet about it… and I’m glad I did. I was able to spray with a 4 stage turbine and 1.5mm tip. No thinning. Tried thinning it too and works just as well… don’t thin more than 10%. Brushes ok, coverage isn’t great. Rolling is ok too, can’t find a roller that doesn’t leave bubbles or stipple.

[@Stevesbe]

It drys to fast for rolling maybe add some flotrol

[@lifeisahiway]

I use an airless Graco with a 312 tip and it lays down great. It's my go to for all my cabinets now. I really like the quick dry time and hardness of the finish.

[@hunkydude322]

that hlvp he was using you can hear it was working hard to atomize the paiint, he would have been better off using an airless sprayer.

[@ILruffian]

Forgot to say. Your shop is immaculate. Super well organized.

[@ILruffian]

Thanks for introducing us to Command. My BM/Scuff-X dealer has implored me to try it. I have the same Fuji Q5. When I saw how your spray first came out, I figured it would orange peel (been there myself). Acrylics/urethanes are really tough w/ HVLP, even 5 stage. Ended up buying a Tritech T5 airelss for this stuff. Pro tip from my dealer: if you are going to spray w the Fuji (he sells both), *warm the paint first*. Has the benefits of thinning, without the negatives.

[@mithrilcraft]

How do you warm it?

[@ILruffian]

@@mithrilcraft I use a hair dryer, some guys use a microwave. Either way, buy a dedicated unit. Costco/Wal-Mart cheapo special is fine. You don't want paint on your good hair dryer or microwave. Pro tip: TCP Global paint mixing cups are awesome. Amazon has them. 64/32/16oz. Not only for heating paint, but for storing it. Paint lasts really long with no air in the can. Once you use 1/4 can, transfer it to a 64 and a 32 TCP mixing cup. Be sure to get lids (I think the pack of 50 cups comes with only 5-10 lids). Most paint can be heated to over 100F safely. There is a formula out there for how many degrees of temp increase = x % thinning. Either way, heating the paint gives you the benefits of the thinning without the drawbacks.

[@mithrilcraft]

@ amazing, thank you for taking the time to write this

[@fastbikerwilko]

I have moved from Fuji spray to a purpose built gentilin compressor for painting. Its quieter, no thinning of paint, or very little, like a few drops of water, easier to clean out and i have been very impressed out of the box. Its a little bulkier- its a 25litre continuous flow, but for the quietness,control and no need to thin, i am really happy.

[@chad10006]

What is that? Link?

[@davidilijevski8942]

Can u get those in canada

[@jamesmarchetti4587]

For a paint like this would definitely recommend using an airless with a 308 fflp tip. I’ve been finishing for a while now I end up only using my hvlp for lacquer primer. Also helps if you use a 1.5 air cap with 1.3 tip helps keep that high fluid pressure and higher air output to get finer atomization of the coatings. I noticed when changing tip sizes and air cap sizes with the Fuji I still was getting less than optimal atomization. Found keeping the small tip and just changing the aircap really helped a lot

[@ILruffian]

Good tip! My Fuji/Tritech dealer also suggested warming the paint when using HVLP.

[@christopheryuro5840]

I’ve used it this past year and I am impressed. Spray and brush. Comparable to Advance but the cure time is so fast compared to Advance. As with all new formulations there’s alway a learning curve.

[@beebeesmith]

Tip from an old time car repairman. When flatting down with 320 on what isn’t a normally fully cured surface use a bit of water and soap. The soap stops the paper from clogging and creates a really smooth finish and doesn’t generate dust of course. If you are really pushing to flatten paint which isn’t properly dry rub the paper on a bar of soap. We would have 320 in one hand and a bar of soap in the other as invariably the paint wasn’t fully dry.

[@MichaelScottPerkins]

Excellent video!!! Makes me want a Fuji sprayer so bad, I can taste it!!! :-) I LOVE painting and finishing videos. I could sit and watch someone just spray cabinet doors all day!!! Yup!!! I need to get out more. ;-)

[@jjstimpson1]

Thanks for the info on how you clean your spray gun. I'm very much an amateur painter and I seem to spend as much time cleaning my gun as I do for the whole rest of the project.

[@ILruffian]

Finally sprayed Command with my Q5. Got pretty much the same results as you did. Very slight orange peel despite thinning 20% and 1.5 tip. I may try to thin a bit more. But it's probably going to require three coats in white at that point. Love the paint. I need to try it in the Tritech airless, but cleanup/waste is such an issue with that.

[@alex-z7t9l]

Use a hopper version

[@ohiomoto]

Great video. I just sprayed some shelves with Command and was able to get fantastic results!!! It looks as good as the BM Advanced I had sprayed out by a pro cabinet maker a few years ago. (And the dry time was amazing!!!) 1. I used my new Fuji Semi-Pro 2 gravity feed. I thinned Command a little more than Jon did here and used a 1.5 tip. I started with the needle all the way in and adjusted it until I got a light, spray can type mist. Probably just a turn or two. 2. I laid my pieces on a lazy susan and used the ball pattern on the edges. I switched to the fan pattern for the rest and moved slowly as to put down a thin but very wet coat. I worked a little closer and square to the surface. (I heard that you want a hand-sized fan when you are a hand-length away from the workpiece.) 3. One coat over primer looked amazing with a little bit of wood grain showing through. The second coat filled the wood grain. I also did some UV-coated plywood with a bonding primer on it and it looked like a factory cabinet finish with just one wet coat. 4. If you use the Fuji 6' whip hose. It has a bad wrap for falling apart so don't drag the main hose around with it. Grab the main hose to drag it into place and use the whip from there. The hose is a tool to make painting easier. Treat it nice, be gentle. EDIT: I'm a novice, but there are so many good HVLP videos out there that it's pretty easy to learn.

[@ILruffian]

Fuji whip hose is a total POS. Mine is coming apart already on my first cabinet job. Just bought a spare for when it fails.

[@evancombs1091]

What primer did you use?

[@ohiomoto]

@@evancombs1091 BM Sure Seal. I thin it out. If I'm spraying over UV finished plywood I do a quick sand and use Bondz bonding primer first. Command is fantastic once you get dialed in with it.

[@shaynesabala]

Those bubbles are from it being dirty. I find the best method to clean before spraying is to blow it off with air and follow up with a damp lint free rag. I haven't had any bubbles like that since I started this method.

[@StephenCombs17]

thank you for the video. Those are Fuji spray guns correct? I have a Fuji gravity feed gun with a Q5 turbine. I dont have the dial like you have to adjust the air and my system is a tad older. The air regulator is at the hose. I have been trying to spray post catalyst paint for cabinets and I'm using a 1.3 tip but have thinned it just a little. I see that your using the 1.8 tip. Do you find that tip optimal when spraying paint? I'm trying to get my finish to atomize correctly and maybe I have been using the wrong size tip and much to small for the product I'm spraying? I usually spray a conversion varnish such as Cambell's Stealth or Turino. Im trying Magnavar today. Any advice is greatly appreciated on needle size. Also what model of Fuji guns are you using?

[@moneymakingmikeg.9555]

Smoooooth like glass Jon!!!! Dope ass frame to have in a house. Hoping all is well Bud, Dirty Jersey out!!

[@waynemiller6070]

Thanks for the video Jon, very helpful.

[@waynemiller6070]

I did the backs of my cabinet doors yesterday. They turned out pretty good. Today I did the fronts but I'm pretty sure I added too much water. They look like alligators. I will sand them tomorrow and spray again without thinning at all. 1.4 tip. If it needs thinning I'll know right away, and adjust. I was planning 4 coats, and this was only the first, so hopefully we can recover.

[@jaykepley5238]

That's an informative video, Jon. Thanks! What guns did you buy? I'm getting ready to buy a spray system. By the way, really enjoyed your interview on Steve Ramsey's podcast. Very interesting. Happy holidays!

[@photog1529]

I may give that paint a try. I've been using Sherwin-Williams "Emerald" brand and get very good results by adding 1-2 ounces water with 1 ounce of Floetrol to a quart of paint and using a HVLP gun.

[@BlahBlahManYeah]

What is tip size you use?

[@andrewbrown8148]

Nice video, Jon~! Not sure how I missed it and am just now seeing it, but I'm looking at getting into a HVLP/turbine spray system. I see that you have the Fuji Q5...I'm looking at maybe the Q3 (or whatever is out right now at that level). I haven't found one on your page, but just wondering if you might do a video on settings & techniques with this type of finishing. Cheers~!

[@JonPetersArtHome]

Hi Andrew, I made a video on spraying lacquer with the q5 about 2 years ago. The q5 is great and I’ve heard good things about the q3.

[@samuelibarracuevas7877]

Dont know how you kept your cool after having to sand and paint so many times. I Almost threw my airless sprayer out the window after the first spray turned out wacked. Also I noticed a lot of videos rep BM or SW paint but have not seen any videos on Dunn Edwards Aristoshield Alkyd enamel paint. I've used it several times and eggshell finish rolls like it was sprayed. Can you try that paint and give us your feedback and video review?

[@jasonautry24]

Hey Jon, how does the finish of command compare with the finish of advanced? When advanced is done properly, it has a very smooth finish.

[@JonPetersArtHome]

Too early to tell, my problem with advance is it takes a long time to dry… I’m planning to use this on a few more projects and will know more in a few months

[@drodakarambo]

@@JonPetersArtHome Thanks Jon for the initial review, could you follow up in a couple months with your final thoughts?

[@shure46]

@@JonPetersArtHome Emerald is better than Advance , way more user friendly , and I believe it is more durable actually .... Emerald "melts" pretty well and dries much faster .... I have never used Command , but I saw the close up of your third coat while wet , and it looked like it had some orange peel to me .... You seemed to like the finish after it dried so I assume it came out okay .... I think Command is sort of like PPG Breakthrough , "dries real fast" .... Emerald dries "sort of fast" , Advance just sucks "dries way too slow" .... I used Advance ONCE and that was enough for me .....

[@ILruffian]

Bright whites in Advance will yellow, which is a deal killer for many of us.

[@benjaminlambert8944]

I’ve sprayed about 200 gallons now of the command. Those bubble mean you’re putting it on too thick. Try 4 mils max. Thin with the Ben Moore extender.

[@mattelser2378]

Hey Jon, thanks for the video. I noticed you used the Fuji Q5. Would the Q4 work effectively for latex paint? Is there much of a difference between the Q5 (9.5 psi) and the Q4 (9.0 psi)? Is half a psi really worth the extra money when spraying full bodied latex paints?

[@JonPetersArtHome]

Hi Matt, I haven’t used the Q4 but I’ve heard it works great… should be fine

[@mattelser2378]

Thanks!@@JonPetersArtHome

[@Nicola---Cambridge]

Great video.

[@mrkattm]

A viscosity cup time would make this video more useful and repeatable

[@darinradtke654]

Waiting for my Fuji Spray semi pro 2 in the mail. Plan on doing some cabinets for the laundry room to start. I was watching some other videos and some use “floetrol” as an additive. I’ve got some of that coming as well as a 2.0 tip. Might be suggested for me because it the lower power turbine than what you have Jon. Thanks for the video!

[@jeffremer802]

Resurrecting a really old comment - how'd this spray with the Fuji Semi-Pro 2? I just received it and curious if it works well.

[@Radtke_Makes]

It turned out pretty good! I ended up using the additive on the cabinets, and tried diluting with water with some exterior acrylic for a front entry door and that worked quite well. Trick was to make sure to strain after mixing with the additive. The machine works awesome. I switched to a gravity cup vs the bigger canister underneath. Hand/arm got REALLY tired

[@jeffremer802]

@@Radtke_Makes awesome, thanks!

[@tyturner9759]

​@@Radtke_Makesdid you use 2.0 tip on the semi pro?

[@seanbrotherton542]

Can a Fuji semi pro 2 spray this? 2 stage compared to your 5 stage probably needs to be thinned a lot more for my system

[@patlombardo7851]

can i ask what made you purchase the bottom feed gun vs gravity feed? looking into the fuji systems

[@ILruffian]

I have both guns. Each has their purpose. I find myself using gravity feed more.

[@markiuzzolino]

Could you provide the compressor you’re using to paint? I would like to buy a new compressor but want one that will also do spay painting.

[@Joshetanner]

It’s not a compressor, it’s a Fuji HVLP system, you can see the name/setup a couple minutes into the video.

[@lukeremis]

It’s the Fuji q5

[@gdw7212]

Thanks for the video. I was considering staying this.with my Q5. Have you tried Command with a 1-5 tip?

[@edgarvasquez8660]

Hello people painter here, please note this is a hybrid paint doesn't like any water mix to it any water will contaminate the paint resulting in issues down the road like fish eyes or orange peel. Keep it as is when possible, if you using a airless make sure you don't recycle the little mix of paint and water in the beginning and end of the process

[@adamchesis7443]

as compared to lacquer how hard is it, I've never had much luck with spraying anything waterborne and having a hard enough finish

[@sloppydoggy9257]

Can you do this for Advance?

[@martingo2680]

I wonder what's the difference between command and advanced.

[@OfficialMarkZuckerberg]

I don't have much experience with painting. Is there a reason you use a gun like that instead of an airless sprayer?

[@av8rbri473]

1. Oversray/waste for such a small proj. 2. A slightly better finish with HVLP if done properly; although you can get a damn good finish with airless if also setup properly (prep/tip selection/paint type and/or thinned)

[@ILruffian]

@@av8rbri473 This. Waste/overspray are the real killers with airless. Tritech airless with the fine finish kit will outperform HVLP w/ most waterbornes. But cleanup is a bitch.

[@2979paul]

What clear finish did you use on the frame?

[@richeyrich6855]

Hello Paul, did you ever end up using a Clear Finish over the Command Paint. I just used it yesterday and I was just curious if you did because I would also like to use a Clear Finish. Thank you in advance.

[@chriswalls5831]

This and regal by them

[@goodlife1500]

Hey Jon what type of primer do you use?

[@JonPetersArtHome]

I should have mentioned that, are use fresh start by Benjamin Moore it’s an acrylic latex primer.

[@goodlife1500]

@@JonPetersArtHome thanks 🙏🏿

[@hkredpill9661]

Now I don't feel quite bad about my paint job after I saw yours.

[@seephor]

Your atomization isn’t too good. Try upping the pressure a bit.

[@Stevesbe]

That's a few drops?

[@MixingGBP]

Rather than using a gun, I still feel I can get a better finish with a green 1/4” nap Purdy roller and sanding between coats. Takes longer with a roller of course, but I get flawless finishes by hand.

[@nicholash8021]

Yeah, that's why I used a roller when I paint show cars. I definitely get a reaction at the shows.

[@MixingGBP]

@@nicholash8021 I'm talking about furniture finish, lol. Compared to what I saw in this video...bubbles in the paint and orange peel, I definitely can and have done better than what was shown in this video with a purdy roller.

[@nicholash8021]

​@@MixingGBP LOL I was totally kidding. I can get a great brushed finish using BM Advance if I'm quick and smooth on the stroke and don't double-back. But a roller... not even close to either a brush or especially a spray gun. Not even in the same universe. I've been spraying for 25 years (here and there) and used to paint show cars and I can tell you that it takes a lot of practice. Too dry and you get the rough feel and small bumps. Too wet and you get sags and runs. You have to get a feel for it. This guy was putting it on way too thin. You shouldn't hear any sandpaper-like noise when running your hand over the surface or it means you sprayed it too dry. This paint is amazing for its dry-time and durability, but it has almost no flow which is both a blessing and a curse. I tried brushing it on some trim and forget it. It's great for baseboards where nobody will notice, but if you require a factory-like finish such as for cabinets, you can forget brushing or rolling. You'll have to spray it and spray it right.

[@shure46]

@@MixingGBP I saw the orange peel too .... Sometimes I use the high density foam rollers (dark gray roller) not bad on flat surfaces ..... but I've just brushed Emerald on cabs a few times , and it came out pretty good , not bad at all ..... I made a vid of one job - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5uug2inr55srcU

[@ILruffian]

@@nicholash8021 I don't have nearly the same experience you do, but I do have the same sprayer Jon does. When I saw him first start to adjust the spray pattern, my thought was "dry spray." Acrylic/latex is a bitch w/ turbine HVLP.

[@hunkydude322]

you can hear that machine working hard to atomize that paint, you would be better off using an airless sprayer.

[@Adanacon]

Sprays better with an airless

[@michaelfranks3759]

Dr

[@craigcharlestone]

Useless video since we never learn what stage his HVLP turbine was. Stages make a yuge difference.

[@JonPetersArtHome]

@@craigcharlestone sounds like you know what you’re talking about… How can I find your video?

[@prtato1]

It's call fish eyes. You need more practice.