How to Train and Adapt to Super Shoes, Calf Strain Management, and Metaspeed Edge/Sky Paris Review

[@DoctorsofRunning]

This giveaway is closed! Congrats to Chris Ash!

[@MedicineRunner]

Love when all 3 of you are on here together. It’s such a dynamic trio lol You got Matt who is the ultimate hype man and is probably on the limitless pill David who is always chill, laid back, and cathartic with his answers Then Nathan who sits right in the middle of the spectrum and steers the topics (and effortlessly cites data while breaking it down for the lay person).

[@4TheRunners]

Training for my first marathon in June, I’ve been listening to this podcast for a while now and it’s been asking and answering the right questions. Thanks guys 10/10

[@BenMayMusic]

Definitely want to give the Edge Paris a try now 😮 thanks for continually making great content!

[@owgriswo]

Excited for everything Asics, Saucony, and New Balance are doing right now. And super curious to try the 2024 Mizunos. You guys are awesome - thanks for keeping my runs a lot healthier.

[@BenjaminBarton-ei6jh]

As always, informative and helpful. My fiancé and I train and run marathons together. We’ve had numerous conversations about carbon plated shoes and often fall to the side of, the problems they seem to cause outweigh their benefits. On two occasions my fiancé has experienced quite a bit of hip pain post-marathon, which has not occurred with other shoes. She wore different iterations of the Vaporflys on both occasions. Most recently, I wore the Adizero Adios Pro 3s and my feet were destroyed after the race. I had worn them a few times and thought they were safe. After about mile 18 the pain from the rods was significant and my feet had noticeable swelling after the race. Luckily Running Warehouse accepted my return for store credit! We both have the mindset of not wearing carbon plated (or shoes with carbon rods) in the future. It seems it’s a delicate process of testing a racing shoe to determine race readiness. As you discussed, plated shoes do seem to pose physiological risk. There is no doubt a risk vs reward to them. Nevertheless, great episode. Here is my entry for the Running Warehouse giveaway!

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Do we need DOR apparel? 🤔

[@MrNicholas740201]

Yes

[@increasingrain]

What brand though....I don't think anyone would be able to agree on that.

[@seansummers1285]

Yes

[@orbhot]

If you do, don’t use the typical plastic cheap shirts that come with most race registrations.

[@RUN-SC]

Definitely yes.

[@jameswestmoreland9717]

72 y.o here and the plated /rocker allows me to continue running. The forefoot rocker is a HUGE benefit after 50 years of long distance racing and training. And track work!! But feet and ankles really like supershoes. 5 days a week running. Have had to work on hip/upper leg/glute strength. PT exercises, physio etc. More v4 is an exception. I am talking endorphin pro/ speed, NB SC Elite and trainer, Alphafly, AsicsMagic speed (v1 only). Adios pro 3, Tecumie Sen and Adizero pro (not adios pro) But no treadmill! Too much opposing forces: plate vs tread belt direction movement.

[@jameswestmoreland9717]

Treadmill: I can train more by shifting some body weight to the treadmill "arms" and decreased pounding: just 1-2 days week. Run on bike path next to my house 3-4 days a,week, mountains in summertime.

[@Echom4-kr5el]

Have you run in the Superblast?

[@sjcostanza]

Great discussion, and very timely! I just experienced a calf strain last week and this was super helpful. I love the accessible explanations of how muscles and tendons work and how we can test those things at home.

[@Junker_1]

I like your videos but it would be much more helpful if you would state how you all run. Why not when you give an impression say if you are a forefoot , midfoot or heelstriker? That makes a big big difference. You could even go further and show where you all normally wear off the shoes. That would give a much better idea to the viewers.

[@jeffreyalas210]

matt is more of a heel striker as he always mentions when reviewing shoes

[@brucediluca9539]

Great content, very advanced training theories I’m just getting into workout regiments, and will put this content to use Keep it going, great stuff!

[@TheValonquar]

God I freaking Love ES 4. They are FANTASTIC for my flat feet. Nimble and fast. So versatile.

[@ethanwilson4442]

I love this channel. I have learned so much about injury prevention, which is super useful for me.

[@EileenMuhs]

I love this podcast!! So informative. I’m excited about the Hoka Rocket X 2 and the road version.. they just happen to make my feet happy!! Thank you for your podcasts ..😊

[@vrentas21]

The comparison video is what I needed for those two new shoes 🤘🔥

[@Echom4-kr5el]

This is spot on. Went with the adrenaline 23 for post tib but the forefoot was so stiff it made it worse. Now I understand why! Great info!

[@hamoudalnasser]

I'm excited to try the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris. It sounds like it should fit my running mechanics and my wider forefoot.

[@RebsGuarina]

Looking forward to running in the Asics Superblast (because we don't get enough of this in NZ), Noosa Tri 15, and the Endorphin Speed 4

[@ZoherKachwala]

I'm excited for the Saucony Triumph 22 👀

[@botrytis_cinerea]

It sucks. Huge disappointment for me.

[@DavidGonzalez-kv1nc]

This episode addresses two questions I’ve had over the past two months.

[@teripitman6666]

Thank you for looking into all of this, I’m a runner on a budget so I just don’t have money to throw at all-the-shoes, love your content!

[@preethysmith2669]

Excited to try the Hoka Mach 6! Loved this episode. Thanks for all you do to educate!

[@andyalvarico6139]

Thank you for always bringing top quality content! 🙏🏽

[@andrewbeane6015]

I'm excited to try more running shoes with a rockered sole!

[@Fishcracker23]

Very informative. Looking forward to that speed edge paris. Liked this vid and followed you guys.

[@Fishcracker23]

How do these compare to the Vaporfly 3?

[@micahbrownstein6977]

Love the ASICS sky 🆚 edge comparison build up 👟

[@brandondemers4265]

Here for the running content obviously, but gladly partaking in the giveaway. Loved this episode. Been preaching this to my peers for ages. Train in trainers, adapt, race in fast shoes. We get so caught up in sexy workouts and times and strava. "Back in the day" flats and spikes were so special because you ONLY used them for races or one tuneup workout. Besides the physiological stuff, the "specialness" of racing shoes is gone when we use them too much. Only wear the special shoes and the special kit and the lucky socks, etc etc on race day.

[@jcool10]

Very insightful stuff about calves especially since it’s really what I’ve been looking to strengthen

[@MarkMartinet]

Really been enjoying hearing the PT thoughts on things since discovering the podcast/channel

[@lukeobadiah]

I'd like to enter the running warehouse competition!! Love you insights. You guys bring so much knowledge to runners and your passion for running shows Thank you, thank you :)

[@CalebBenson-225]

I have been loving the Asics gel nimbus 25 as my every day trainer, but I am super excited about trying Saucony endorphins as my next trainer! Love the pod keep doing what you're doing!

[@sportsapologist1171]

Always enjoy the podcast and videos! Great to hear your thoughts on the Asics Metaspeed Sky/Edge as I've been looking for a new race shoe. The prospect of a Superblast 2 in 2024 is what I'm most excited about, but now Hoka has gone and released multiple shoes I didn't see coming (Cielo X1 and Skyward X) on top of the promised Mach X2. The shoes just keep coming, so I'll need ya'll to keep helping me figure out what I want to buy! Keep up the great work.

[@RandallHughes-lo8hd]

Love this and hearing about the science and research you all present! HS track coach and researcher

[@joepoudrette1069]

You guy’s rock. I do wish some times you could bring your content down to slower runners. One of your previous guest commented how the average pace for males running was 10:30 per mile. Just saying.

[@DoctorsofRunning]

10:30 miles is our content manager’s middle name

[@_jcru]

Thanks for this helpful content. I am running my first marathon this November and is considering buying a carbon plated shoes but not know how to incorporate it in a training

[@Ginguredrunner]

Just picked up the superblast and am super excited for that (long runs and marathon) and also loving the gt2000 12 (thanks Matt!!)

[@michaellinden9631]

The question still remains for mid pack runners do super shoes make a difference? Is there sufficient bang for the buck?

[@chrisashbeck2006]

Most excited for the Novablast 4 or Endorphin Speed 4! Previous shoe models were recommended to me by Dr. Brown and I’ve loved them thus far! Thanks for broadening my horizons beyond just Brooks :)

[@DoctorsofRunning]

Hey, Chris! Congratulations, you are our Week 1 winner of the giveaway!! Send us an email at [e-mail] so we can send you the giftcard. :)

[@ccarb003]

Love the apparel chat! I’d also choose Rabbit if limited to one brand. In particular, the FKT and Fuel n Fly are both terrific shorts.

[@lucasroscoe8972]

Super excited about the NB SuperComp Elite v4, just picked up the Rebel v4 and they nailed it with the new PEBA compound.

[@jrabago1]

Love the input on carbon plate as trainers shoes. Entering giveaway!

[@kelseymace336]

I enjoyed hearing your perspective about training in super shoes. I prefer to keep a rotation of typical daily trainers and super trainers (Endorphin Speed 3) to switch up the requirements on my feet

[@patrickmckenna3884]

i'm excited for the new metaspeeds, just trying to figure out whether the edge or sky will be better for me - would love to hear more about that choice

[@viCoN24]

33:05 timestamp is not shown correctly in the player on mobile. Interesting topics so far but just wanted to point out a potential issue for others.

[@FBMagic222]

Great podcast. I truly enjoyed the thoughts about super shoes. BTW, discounted running gear is the way to go.

[@davidmcquade4743]

I have a great shoe rotation and am excited when I wear certain shoes for each run. Especially my max cushion because I only wear those after knowing that I put in a hard work out.

[@t.t2314]

i’m excited to try the asics gt 2000 12

[@lauraslieker2231]

Love this podcast, so much great info! Hope to be entered in the Running Warehouse giveaway. Looking forward to the Saucony Endorphin Pro 4

[@DaveShepherd2020]

Great show. Looking forward to trying the new ASIC shoes. Gift card would be sweet for a second pair!

[@kurtbaumgartner8769]

Very excited about the metaspeed edge based on your initial review.

[@DavidMellorCitSci]

I'm most excited about my Saucony Tempus- stable shoes with modern foam feel a lot faster than what I've been running in before.

[@Matt-cp9wh]

Things to worry bout before shoes : sleep, eating healthy, training errors. Shoes aren’t high on the list of elite athletes, I think everyday runners get caught up in the marketing and hype. Just focus on the other stuff and you will run well. Super shoes are bonus

[@tp3542]

Super interesting comparison. I’d love to try the metaspeed edge Paris 🎉

[@Ginguredrunner]

Heel raise test is hard with hallus limitis/arthritis in the big toe!! Alternatives?

[@seansummers1285]

Thanks for your reviews, really looking hard at the edge Paris!

[@keithc1264]

Looking forward to trying the Metaspeed edge Paris. I’m definitely a cadence runner.

[@patrickmason4828]

I’d go with rabbit also, price is high but quality is there. Also stoked to get my hands on the endorphin pro 4! Cant wait for the DOR review of it either

[@johnnyjhun]

I’m waiting for the next Puma Nitro offering!

[@alexanderlane9946]

Have my Sky Paris on the way! Hopefully don't have to use the calf strain info on myself, but happy to have the info just in case!

[@itsahardmuttlife9263]

Yeah, I love Rabbit apparel. The best. I only get it when on sale though. When I first started running, I got everything from Target.

[@paulsingh6731]

Thank you for asking the question , what if it was not for free, what brand would you be purchasing. Thanks for looking out for the everyday person !

[@matluebbers]

Thank you for this information on training in super shoes!

[@kalvin.]

I’m fortunate to be able to try a bunch of different shoes, both plated and non-plated. I’ve made it a point to use them solely for big workouts, and uptempo long runs. Almost all of my long runs incorporate some sort of faster paces for my next goal race. I find it’s been the biggest improvement in my fitness doing so since it’s combining the higher mileage plus added intensity without going too far and affect recovery. I supplement these workouts with plenty of very very easy runs. Cheers

[@DavidGonzalez-kv1nc]

Kind of combining the two main topics: how would you use a carbon shoe to help runners come back from tendinitis or for runners who have a history of ankle injuries from other sports (basketball) which has caused some reduction in ankle mobility?

[@texansport]

Really looking forward to the metaspeed sky/edge! Wondering about the slightly higher medial arch - I tried on a metaspeed edge and i can feel it on my left foot. Does that mean it’s a no go already, or is it still worth checking the comfort on a run before making a call?

[@HoangQuanNguyen-g9d]

Any suggestions for racing shoes (HM/FM) for pretty wide forefoot? Many thanks!!!!

[@yiyang2621]

do you recommend wearing super shoes in tempo workout like threshold pace or hm pace?

[@albertcallahan4490]

Would love to hear more brand apparel reviews

[@runnin3216]

I'm excited about the Nike Alphafly 3. Get a chance to demo them and the Vaporfly 3 in a couple weeks. I would go with Tracksmith if I had to be exclusive for apparel. I love their merino tops in the winter (just wore one this morning).

[@christophermurray8395]

Still waiting until April 4 here in the US, but the Alphafly 3 is at the top of my list

[@zackcity37919]

Really interested in trying the Metaspeed. FF turbo is one of my favorite foams from my time running in the Superblast

[@joeyzhao465]

love silhouette of sky, hope they release more color ways.

[@graemetough9988]

Any suggestions for reason/managing/treating calf length imbalance. Using that knee ahead of toe test, one is only 2/3rds length of the other...!

[@orbhot]

Great episode. I believe in super shoes if you run a fast enough pace and your body can handle the added stress. My first and only super shoe is the Endorphin Pro (v1). The Pro 3, and good training, helped me qualify for the venerable blue coral at the Gate River Run 15k, where I won a top 10% hat, not easy at my age. Also, regarding discounts, Nike, Adidas, and others offer discounts for military, first responders, and others, so check into that. Best to shop at your local small business run store though, as long as they have knowledgeable staff.

[@AndrewCho730]

I love NB rebel v3, and l am very excited for NB rebel v4!

[@nehallavey-khan7209]

Totally here for the apparel chat 👍🏽

[@IndianaNaturalDog]

How many miles, if any, would you put on a brand new pair of marathon racing shoes before actually racing in them? I have a new pair of Endo Pro 3s and a marathon in early April.

[@ADKirbman20]

Have heard good things about the Rebel V4s, i have the twos and definitely want to try them once I've burned through those!

[@markuscg1]

I'm most excited for the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris. I typically haven't fared well with carbon fiber plates, but I'm hoping with the new foam and the flatter plate, it will work for me. If not I may be visit David at physical therapy here in Santa Barbara to get fixed.

[@jontay1987]

I'm excited to try the Metaspeed Paris Edge 👍🏽

[@BradzViewz]

I was excited about the New Balance FuelCell SuperComp Elite v4 and I got them and it exceeded my expectations.. now I’m about to grab the companion trainer the Rebel v4! But I’d LOVE to grab a pair of Hoka Cielo X1 for sure.. just not in the budget right now.

[@kelseypayne4998]

I’m excited to someday try a supershoe! I’m so curious to feel the difference with a carbon plate!

[@hornedfrog04]

Entering the giveaway! Great episode, as always👍

[@martyr5101]

I’ve found for myself that a later, aggressive toe spring is a bigger factor of calf strain than the presence of a plate (granted these typically go together in super shoes)

[@sq082]

Looks like I missed out on getting my size for the edge Paris I don’t see them available anywhere

[@bobbyO1996]

Totally excited for the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4!!

[@maddidoherty9963]

so excited to try out the metaspeed edge!!!

[@mattkilloran]

I’ve only had one test run in the Edge Paris but it feels so much better than the Metaspeed Sky+. The Sky+ was a fast shoe but it was firm and not easy on the legs. Loving the spoon shaped plate and softer foam on the Edge Paris.

[@ckim715]

Ran in the Sky Paris on Friday; the new foam is really responsive, but I think I need to work on lacing; I got some bad hot spots on my pinky toe.

[@stevenleung1759]

didnt love the sky+, but still logged around 200 miles in my pair. def would like to try the edge paris based on recent reviews!

[@carolwright280]

thanks for always answering my emails, I would love to win the contest!

[@hondameister2656]

I recently expanded my shoe rotation to run in low stack ones (Adios 8) and high stack ones alternately, so far it feels really great that I got to put stress in different groups of muscles and tendons, and reduce the risk of injury on them as I build up my volume. One thing I’m not sure is I really don’t have much experience in plated shoes, or, to put it in another way, what makes plated shoes different? Why all marathon racing shoes are plated today? Thank you!

[@stevenfelix5442]

So excited to try Edge Paris! And alphafly 3!!

[@HeinerHeinrich]

Love your podcast. First time watching you on youtube. I'd like to enter the running warehouse drawing please.

[@Tim_rdg]

Really looking forward to trying on either the Mach 6 or Rebel v4 as I have relied on too much plated training recently

[@fluffyfingersmd]

I'm really looking forward to the Rebel 4. I love my super shoes, but there is just something about the Rebel Series. I guess I'll toss in the next versions of the TectonX as well. It's a favorite of mine on the trails.

[@hermesip3633]

Totally agree that our bodies are very adaptable but it takes time for us to adapt- I have the New Balance Rebel v4 and Hoka Mach 6 on my radar to strengthen my legs for my next race

[@andrewcassidy1183]

Excited for the metaspeed sky Paris! 🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️

[@Fozzee.1970]

You all hold up the Metaspeed Paris trainers and they look a different colour! Are they more red or orange?

[@nate.docsofrunning]

I think more orange!

[@aussiehooper3234]

I recently purchased the Nike Vaporfly 3 for sprint triathlons, as well as 5km and 10km races. I also have asics novoblast 4 for most training runs. My plan is to use these shoes exclusively for tempo runs and races. Today, I tested them to see how they feel and to start breaking them in. However, after setting a new PB, I experienced bilateral calf pain. This is unusual for me, as I’ve never had calf pain before, haven’t increased my training load, and made sure to warm up properly. I suspect the new shoes are the cause, as I’ve read that the Vaporfly can sometimes lead to calf discomfort. My question is: Should I stick with these shoes and try to adapt, or should I consider switching to a different pair?

[@souvadrahati]

What’s the fundamental difference between PEBA and EVA foams. Is it just the energy return?