How to Tune Drums in the Mix with Waves Torque

[@flightofsound2497]

Move focus over the fundamental (the most significant resonate part of the drum sound Click the Monitor button Listen for the frequency area where you have the clearest tone possible Sometimes the best tone shift will happen on the second harmonic of the fundamental. Note the note. Adjust threshold until pulsing yellow Too low, and some of the signal will be left out of the process (remain in original tone); too high, and you may encount artifacts. Adjust torque to tune. 100 cents = 1 semitone. If you hear too much of the tone shift process, try decreasing the Torque Speedtime. This governs the attack and release times. In some cases, especially when shifting down, excessive resonant energy can build up. Lower the Torque Trim control to contain it. Use the Output Gain control to compensate for level changes that may occur during processing.

[@theRIPguild]

#Flight Of Sound how do I locate Minor Chords? I understand a hundred cents down from A# is A.. but what if my songs in A Minor?

[@DrGrooveBeat]

@@theRIPguild just shift by necessary semitones cents to tune to a note in your chosen scale. 100 cents is always semitone regardless of scale.

[@unlikelycontender2229]

@@theRIPguild When we refer to 'A Minor', the 'A' refers to the key you're in, and the 'Minor' refers to the scale you're in (the scale determines the feel). So when you say 'How do I locate Minor chords?' with Torque, what you actually want is the key of A. From there use your keyboard or midi controller (which I assume you're using to make music with) to find the notes of the Natural minor scale, which is the A major scale except with flattened 3rd, 6th and 7th notes. Once you know the notes of the scale, you'll know what notes to assign to Torque.

[@intervall86]

I'm currently working on some new instrumentals and this plugin helps me to make my drums sound much more 'full'. Thank you!

[@simsthre4078]

2:44 Why 900 specifically? How would I just magically know to move that down 900? This is supposed to be a tutorial. Teach me how to use the plugin to change the key of my drums no matter what they key of my different projects are in Okay so people are saying 100 semitones is a note, but he said he was doing 900 semitones to pitch it from an a sharp to a lower d sharp, i counted and thats only 7 notes not 9. 2:55 And on this plugin is focus interchangeable with formant? How did he change the formant?

[@dkyx]

Black Friday right now, demoing a bunch of Waves plugs but Torque's already standing out within minutes of running, definitely a purchase.

[@wizmos74]

Purchase Smack Attack and Torgue for $30 total,great plugins thanks Waves!

[@BOSSSHAWN]

Waves....Display the current key of said incoming sound.......then display the key you are tuning to. Also have the ability to just type in the desired key. Please add these features that would make this plugin very useful.

[@flightofsound2497]

Move focus over the fundamental (the most significant resonate part of the drum sound. Click the Monitor button Listen for the frequency area where you have the clearest tone possible Sometimes the best tone shift will happen on the second harmonic of the fundamental. Note the note. Adjust torque to tune. 100 cents = 1 semitone.

[@SuperStarO]

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING

[@theRIPguild]

Question on that please: what if my song key is in G#Minor, I understand if I go down 100 cents from G# that’s a semi-tone down to G... but what indicates Minor? That little star maybe?

[@AshRavens]

@@theRIPguild on single note instruments, the major and minor keys don't matter. you are tuning your drums to the note, not to the chord.

[@ghdrum]

James Wiltshire of F9 Audio says that matching the pitch of your kick to the pitch of your bass runs the risk of some phase cancellation issues. He says you should just use your ears and choose a kick you like. If you have to pitch the kick then only pitch it a fifth above the bass note and never the tonic.

[@user-7SkyzOnFire7]

Man, This video it says is 3 years old but, I have to give you your straight up Props for that Beat you used in your demonstration. That is what is call "Generational Slap or Legendary" meaning that with "The Right Someone" on that track like Wiz Khalifa or even Meek Mill, it would easily be something I would listen to forever. Like 10 or 20 years from now, I would throw that on and get those vibes that remind me of why I fell in love with HIP-HOP and will RIDE and DIE with it for as long as I live and breathe air upon this planet earth. Major props.I would love to hear what was done with this track.

[@user-7SkyzOnFire7]

And I bought the plug-in . It is a GAME-CHANGER.

[@SuperStarO]

Would help a lot more if when adjusting the cents it also told you what key you were changing to

[@andym7333]

its stupid it doesent do that so not buying just for that mixed in key is more practical i think then ur daws pitch shifter

[@NioEndo]

100 cents is a semitone, 12 semitones is an Octave. A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# - 12. This works in a loop. So for example, if you are in "E" and you want to pitch up to "F" you increase it by 100 cents. Similarly, if you are in "F" and you want to pitch it up to "G" you pitch up 200 cents, and so on. Hope this helps.

[@profoundofficial4801]

Yeah that would be nice I'd just get a tuner plug in

[@IamDB3]

@@NioEndo Wow, Thats exactly what I was wanting to know! Amazing info. Thanks! 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@dog69420]

@@andym7333 hahaha what

[@FesliyanStudios]

At 4:30-4:50 you can't hear a difference between 500 and 250hz. I think there is an error in this tutorial.

[@Greenmantislives]

Very cool plug-in with a huge omission. The plug-in should give you feedback on what note your drums ultimately end up at when using the torque knob. Those numbers don't mean crap to most users. Fix this Waves and then you've got a slamdunk winner.

[@boimesa8190]

it doesn't...

[@MIxstarsOnline]

You dont need notes just use common sense every 100 is a note..

[@simsthre4078]

@@MIxstarsOnline That’s not what common sense means. That’s jargon that you have to be taught to know, not something common sense can tell you. A person who has never studied music will not magically know that every 100 semitones is a note, or even what semitomes are. Thank you for writing this though, now that I know the tutorial makes more sense

[@simsthre4078]

Yeah I was so confused like why 900 and how would I know that? These tutorials assume people know things that beginners don’t know, curse of knowledge. Not everyone can be a teacher. You have to be able to empathise with a person who hasn’t been taught what you have

[@simsthre4078]

@@MIxstarsOnline but wait he said he was doing 900 semitones to pitch it from an a sharp to a lower d sharp, i counted and thats only 7 notes not 9. 2:39

[@tomvomton2371]

You have to find the original pitch by yourself, then adjust and guess again on the final pitch ? What´s poor. The loudest peek isn´t nessesarely the fundamental. I want to type in my desired note and be done.

[@wesleyleigh4063]

You know when you go looking for tutorials for a plugin and end up clicking on the one made by the company thinking you've made the right choice? Well let's hope you read this comment before you waste 8 minutes of your life.

[@alexissofield]

Hahaha

[@aksdblaka]

sounds like a refined frequency shifter ! I've been doing this sort of effect with melda's mfreqshifter!

[@envispojke]

Waves are fucking awesome, doesn't matter if you find a use for this in what you do or not, it's just cool to see new ways to shape sound. If you think this is easy to do with different plugins I dont think you understand what this plugin does.. Im looking forward to really try this since snares and claps are always tedious to shape for me..

[@wasabib3269]

Very to the point tutorial! Thank you

[@tkelong3569]

Why not use the slider to move either right or left to the proper key and then use the Torque knob to fine tune? Why did you do that in reverse? Thanks for the video.

[@h-voltage]

A# -900 is not D#. Its C#. Or am i missing something?

[@WriteJus]

Mátyás Dobány I been sitting here for the last 15 minutes thinking the same thing!!

[@renatovms]

Yeah! It's C# the right one. Just a mistake.

[@shine_uno]

DEAM THANK YOU! I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET CRAZY ABOUT IT!

[@xXHookaZookaXx330]

I also want to point out that A# and G# are most certainly not in the Key of "C" that he is referring to

[@crisisbliss2462]

@@xXHookaZookaXx330 They're in C minor

[@gatherstudio5219]

I used this with waves cla drum mix plugin. Amazing results especially since my room is not the best acoustically

[@ekbergpeter6987]

You say you bring down 900 cents to D sharp, from A sharp. Can you explain how you count?

[@rikmarvel]

1200 cents on the Dial equals 1 Octave just divide up your individual Keys in the scale, i.e. From One Key to the next (up or Down) it's 100cents

[@007Cassandra]

Rik Marvel maybe i can't count. I don't have 9 steps between on any of my instruments.

[@rikmarvel]

Then maybe his statement or math was off. All I know is that 100cents on that dial represent 1 Note up or down because. Chromatic scale = 12 Notes Translates to 1200 cents on the Dial in each direction. Your Rootnote will always be whats shown in the focus-bar.

[@MIxstarsOnline]

@@rikmarvel so that means is was a C sharp not a D sharp

[@Marcbilderbach]

Your comment made me laugh, thank you kind sir

[@lilhoss1]

I bought this thinking that for sure Waves would have a self-adjusting note scale vs. cents feature. For instance: You select the key you want the drum to match, and a window pops up how many cents to adjust to; relative to where the focus dial is placed on the drum's unprocessed fundamental. Without this feature, this is a pitch shifter with a fancy GUI.

[@maltliruoqs-stonelock682]

but it seems you can adjust the tone of just the region you are selecting... with a pitch shifter.. it would just pitch the entire audio.. this seems to be a tool for dealing with audio that contains all drum parts. if you have the actual drum samples.. just fucking tune it by itself!

[@simsthre4078]

@@maltliruoqs-stonelock682 and how do you tune it by itself what does that mean

[@zabadibzabzab1]

@@simsthre4078 pitch the sample

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

It wasn't very clear to me. Does this plugin change the structure of the transient as well or just what we would call the tonal of the instrument? I ask because if it changes the structure of the transient, any sampler would do the same.

[@incomeinnovations247]

truly awesome ,and very useful

[@ROSHNIMUSICSTUDIOBareilly]

Nice

[@djaltims9037]

Waves.. Amazing!!!

[@bigfootinyourface]

hahahahahaha. Recognize!

[@jonnylodato3851]

how do you know how much cents to change to get the right key?

[@andym7333]

they forgot to add that cant belive it

[@simonguzman4521]

effective use of bass during the second demonstration..

[@ppppapy]

cool -plugin idea! brilliant

[@muuroonggeooffrey246]

just for my curiosity, if you are mixing jazz, which is a tonal shift song. how this technique works

[@nikosarkomanis]

very nice indeed

[@Rio-uv1gs]

How do you know to tune to -900 and how did you know -900cents = D# ?

[@yannickwerther2464]

just bought it, then compared with a sample that i manually pitched, and the pitched version was sounding much better. cleaner and less artifacts. Now i use it as a tuner lol

[@immunityoffate]

When the speed know was moving with the torque know, were they linked?

[@GenX_US_Marine]

I've been trying to figure this god damn plug-in out and I can't. I don't understand how to use this thing. I have my kick at G# and my bass is C#. How do I match the kick to the bass. I don't understand the cents knob at all.

[@andrestuart7994]

You need to figure out how many cents are between G# to C#. Then tune your kick to fit that note. Or you can choose a kick sample in C#. Use a tuner after Torque that might help you figure it out better.

[@GenX_US_Marine]

@@andrestuart7994 I'm going to take a online class for music theory. I have no idea what cents is or what it means. Once I get a better understanding of it I'll be alright. I usually don't put stuff in key, I usually go by feel. If it sounds good then it sounds good. That G# kick and C# bass does sound good together, but I need to understand the music theory and the circle of fifth's behind it.

[@DrGrooveBeat]

@@GenX_US_Marine that’s possible, it sounds good because you must be using a major scale that includes both c# and g#.

[@Sandesnor2]

Damn that's cool!

[@jamesshelton9126]

I'd like to see it in a live environment

[@MCCarters92]

Man this guy is so misinformed. Bruh 900 cents is c#!

[@josepe217]

How if you are in A# and go down 900 cents the results is D#? Should be C#… I’m missing something?

[@gizmoriderfulye8007]

This should seriously have dry/wet slider, it can tune, but it can also break a otherwise food BD

[@Potatoenfuego]

resonant filter +tuner?

[@boimesa8190]

how cpu intensive is this?

[@kostyakonstantinoff]

ultra extreme

[@amazingwomenofsports1464]

dude ur tuning isolated 808 samples??? how bout on a miced kit? come on man!!!

[@DrGrooveBeat]

Unless your entire kit is already tuned that wouldn’t work. Best put this effect on individual sounds.

[@colinowenuk]

A minor third above C is E flat, not D sharp.

[@youngalexander3166]

those are the same note

[@madjoints]

lol he just wanted to post something!

[@DaveyMulholland]

colin is correct, you don't know basic theory if you don't know what he is saying.

[@FesliyanStudios]

music theory battle enrages..

[@rodrockmixing1817]

Is there any place that we can calculate notes to Cents?

[@unnecessaryusername784]

100 cents = 1 semi tone. 1200 cents = 1 octave

[@DrGrooveBeat]

@@unnecessaryusername784 just remember that 1200 cents does not reflect an actual scale (it’s chromatic).

[@lok8tmuzik812]

Finally tuning made easy!

[@grandrmusic4691]

Why cents insted of letters? c,d,e,f,g,a,b. etc etc etc

[@fredbirdcinema]

anyone else find this plugin a tad confusing?

[@crisisbliss2462]

either it confusing or he's not explaining it correctly, like the reference of D# when its C#

[@TheFoo_Fighter]

so, this is really impressive and all... but you have been clipping all the way through. I guess that'll impact the sound?

[@theothertoday]

True, he was. Sometimes clipping can suit what your doing. Sometimes not so much.

[@tcookie12]

So essentially its a narrowband eq? Cause really you can do this without this plugin easily.

[@zachary4670]

Dimensions Studio it’s more like a pitchshift, but yeah

[@wesleyleigh4063]

Seriously this explains and demonstrates close to nothing, like is it pitch shifting a select frequency or the whole sample? Does it automatically determine the fundamental or do you have to do that manually with the spectrum provided? What does the speed even do!!!??? Torque Trim!!??? Like why call the main knob something that has no relevance whatsoever? It's as if the host is to busy trying sound cool and relate to young people to actually explain what it's doing or they are actually deliberately obscuring the plugins function so you'll think you need it.

[@crisisbliss2462]

The demo starts out with a kick and snare loop that has a hi hat , then while he's talking its becomes an isolated kick track and an isolated snare. I find this a bit deceptive, but I haven't tried it out yet so maybe I'm jumping the gun. I hope I didn't waste my money. I should've demo-ed before buying.

[@jamodrama3897]

What you describing as a snare is not a snare. Its just a downloaded piece of sound and in no way sounds like a snare.

[@Khojisafar]

bloody that's too much of talking !!

[@danielmendez3098]

quee chimbaaaa

[@gratefulmusicsound8337]

Man, go learn more music theory.

[@justjohnmusicchannel8327]

Im not really impressed...all I hear is mroe pumping and breathing in the compression...disappointing..

[@mikul3122]

As soon as he said "this adds a lot more tone to your drums" as if it was a saturator or something, I realized this tutorial was wack.