How To Turn ALICE Buttpack into Rucksack - Survival Hiking Belt Version 2

[@ml826]

As per your idea, I just added a 200 round SAW ammo pouch to my ALICE rig. Awesome idea for a utility pouch for my ALICE rig. Many thanks to you!!!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! The 200 rnd pouch is a very handy addition to an ALICE belt...

[@Striperguide_pro]

Nice! I'm going to work on mine. Btw, 5 years later and your still helping people. Good job man!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! It is still working great also BTW...

[@kurtbaier6122]

You essentially recreated WW2 airborne musette bag. It would be worn in the front with a twist or two during the jump. After the jump it would be thrown over the head as a back pack. Good idea.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@SlasherSociety09]

I fricken love that man! Good thinking, great job!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@davidleasure9138]

Like it. now all i need is the 2 first aid pouches and the Saw pouch. Thanks for the ideas. Keep those ideas coming. i can always use good ideas

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

No problems. I like the ALICE stuff cause you can arrange it about a million different ways...

[@rippersix293]

I did essentially the same thing except my rig has the H harness instead of the Y harness. This allows me to also run the rear harness straps thru the spot on the buttpack where the ALICE clips would normally go. Doing that stabilizes the buttpack.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It does work a little better with an H harness. All that I could get was a Y...

[@nomadmarauder-dw9re]

​@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvivalGet a Condor.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

@@nomadmarauder-dw9re I have a Condor H harness

[@loriekaczmarek9788]

Yep

[@QuantumPyrite_88.9]

I like your ideas and regardless of mine or anyone else's opinion . Give a load out the 20 klick test . Walk 20 kilometers over rough terrain , through woods , heavy brush and through water . In my BA opinion - Gear is mission specific and terrain specific . What works for an individual in New Mexico might seriously suck in Finland or a triple canopy jungle . Cool video and thanks for your input .

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! I have carried these belts/rigs for a long ways and never had the first issue with them

[@sicottish]

I use the D rings on the ALICE suspenders to mount a chest rig like the Hill People Gear kit bag. Works great and you can still run a backpack/hrydration carrier.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Great idea. The ALICE rigs are very versatile

[@jimshady07]

Hi i did a simular rig with my english plce webbing using zip ties to attache an old 58 patt large backpack works very simularily to your idea. All the best Jim

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Nice, I hope that it works for you. Mine works well...

[@codyjames1952]

What you can uses if you can hind is a M-1956 Butt Pack Adapter Straps it runs about $10.00 . this is what i uses and works very good on my LBE and my Camelbak Ambush and M.U.L.E to make more room .you can uses a Butt Pack or a Sustainment Pouch with a little Paracord

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Awesome I will look for one of those...

[@aleisterbroley900]

I've been wanting to do something similar, but more quick-detach, and modular. My butt pack (where you have the SAW pouch) is an Austrian KAZ-75 butt pack/ chest pack. I've considered getting a second one to use as a haversack/ quick attach/detach mini ruck to use like you've done here, which could then go either into my large ALICE or strap to the outside of it. Of course, I've considered other packs for that use as well-- I have a Rothco copy of the M-56 (?) butt pack as well which might serve. My main idea is having different layers of packs, for use depending on my needs... Right now, if I'm just going a few hundred yards into the woods, I take my haversack (Finnish gas mask bag) and the Rothco butt pack packed with extra water, any extras, and my poncho+liner lashed to the bottom. For more extensive scouting and camping, I have my harness and belt rig, haversack, and the Rothco stays home (poncho roll goes into bottom of KAZ butt pack). For full outing, the ALICE he's on top of the harness, loaded with large tarp, wool blanket, extra food, cooking gear etc. I'm still trying to figure everything out and get it all put together, but my next change will likely be to switch the harness to the older H-style, which has attachments for a smaller mini ruck like you rigged here-- some Marines were issued a similar system during Nam, can't recall the name of the small ruck and all, but they're impossible to find and outrageously expensive if you do.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Nice man. You can really do a lot with this old ALICE stuff

[@aleisterbroley900]

@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival absolutely, I had no idea when I started getting into it, just wanted an ALICE pack... After that I was hooked! I've found your videos are some of the best for exploring all this gear and different ideas-- keep it up!

[@surfingspiritbear398]

This is a great idea man, I really like this for light weight patrol set up. Good deal, keep up the great content man.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! It actually works pretty well...

[@ClintHollingsworth]

I've been carrying my ALICE Med pack without a frame, using the belt set up to support it. Works pretty nice.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I love the ALICE pack, I gotta try it without the frame...

[@rattlesnakepuppy]

same thing I have done ,but I am using a condor battle belt and a 2 inch nylon tool belt.works great .

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I like the condor stuff also, it works the same way...

[@jackpumpkin]

Very good idea. I love how many different mods people come up with. *subscribed

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

i do believe this would work quite well with the flc that has the waistpack molle'd on, as it gives only about 10-15 inches of clearance for a backpack, i feel they should just make a rectangle shaped that sits with the long side horizontally to make room for waistpacks and buttpacks underneath

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It really works quite well. And I agree they should make a different pack...

[@LandseerNorth]

You can do the same thing with the issued sleeping bag carrier straps (if you can still find them). They route thru the gear holder straps on the front of the LC2. Semper Fi

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! There are a few ways to do this...

[@jackmarage8138]

Put what you are going to cary in it put it on and go out in the woods and run around jump run turn quick act as if you are trying to evade and see how you like it. Im sure you will come to the conclution real quick you need to secure it so it dose not flop around hitting you in the back of the head. I like the idea and have been tbinking on setting up a similer setup .

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I have done that and it works pretty well.

[@ronschreiber3635]

nice working on mine now .one more great Info video thanks again Matt .

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks man!

[@bushpilotdude7154]

Great Idea! Great video very explanatory. Thank you for taking your time to post and help others :)

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks. You can really do a lot with the basic ALICE platform

[@bushpilotdude7154]

Yes Sir I agree! I have used the Alice platform with and without the frame for many years and it has always suited my needs :)

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Love it!!!

[@ChrisC30]

Here's how I'd do it.. Use 2 buttpacks. Attach one where your SAW pouch is, and hang the other one as you have in the video. More cargo space. Plus, you could rig the upper buttpack to the lower one's straps, to have a more secure load.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I thought about that and tried it but didn't want the larger pack on the hiking belt. This way I can just switch suspender rigs if I want the extra capacity of the buttpack.

[@petemcpherson2259]

that's a great idea I have that rig, I'm going to try it, thanks for the info.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

No problems man. There is an adapter that accomplishes this also but i like doing things my way...lol

[@KentuckyWoodsman]

Great idea and a really nice set up! I have a couple of the LC-2 rigs. I need to give this a try! Thanks for sharing!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It really works well and you can switch the buttpack back and forth between suspender rigs. Makes it into a nice little pack.

[@danielmart7940]

Excellent. Will use one on belt n one as ruck

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@loriekaczmarek9788]

Great idea. Thinkin a recon butt pack and h suspenders would be rhe ultimate butt pack turned into a ruck

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Nice. Would work well

[@tonydaniels6518]

M-1956 pack carrier is a issued piece of web gear that does exactly what you do to the buttpack, check it out

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I have seen the M1956 stuff, it is great also

[@cb750k1974]

How much does that rig weigh when empty? The Army probably considers ruggedness over weight so that rig may be on the heavy side, looks great though. If I was facing a 20 mile trek, I'd what to shed as much weight as possible, light weight hiking gear is very expensive though.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It is not very heavy at all. Loaded up it is not bad

[@paulyman345]

That will work bro. Got find me one for my add on. Thanks Matt.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

You can invent a lot of variations with the ALICE stuff pretty easily

[@ScottyM1959]

A great day pack for hiking but far from a rucksack. Great thought I like it

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks! It actually works pretty well...

[@jason60chev]

There is an adapter for the M56 gear to do the same thing. You could also mount a WWII period musette bag in the same way, using the straps/hooks on that bag.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I saw that. This is a Y harness though so I am not sure if they will go together...

[@quinnevans352]

What will you carry in the SAW pouch and the small arms ammo pouches? Can you do a separate video about what you typically carry in that rig?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I carry all kinds of stuff in the SAW, and the small arms pouches are perfect for carrying my Sawyer Mini as well as a ton of other stuff. I will do a loadout video the next time that i have this rig out...

[@quinnevans352]

FloridaBoy Bushcraft & Survival Okay awesome! Thanks!

[@pflugervillebushcraft8149]

You can also add the alice pack straps to the but pack and make a small backpack out of it.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I may try that also...

[@mauriceyoshikawa3554]

Just my two cent - the LC-1 H style is made to carry the butt pack high on the suspenders.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It is, you can hook it up a few different ways

[@dd-5634]

I'd like to see the bottom of that pack attached to the pistol belt in some way so it doesn't flop around as you walk and especially as you run

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Me too, you could probably do it if you needed it to be more secure.

[@gulfrelay2249]

Joseph Rilling big clue: use it G.I., the way it was designed for. lol.

[@dd-5634]

Take a seat gulf relay The MEN are talking

[@kurtrussell5228]

Don't listen to JOSEPH, you're correct.

[@njdunson]

How does it ride hiking and full of gear? I had the same idea, just didn't because of my question.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It rides surprisingly well, it does not bounce or shift

[@karlo8093]

Pretty cool! thanks for telling me the name of the pack too. I bought a couple of them packs a few years ago, and never new the name of them. turned one into a haversack. I think I have a vid of it should you care to see it. I like your setup there!!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@Nerding4Nature]

Brilliant idea. Nice work.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks. It is the easiest mod to do and works great.

[@haroldhesterly2892]

How about self protection? Even on a camping trip I carry a firearm, but I see no room on your belt for a sidearm, which leaves the only option for a long gun. Any ideas?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

If you look at some of my later videos you can see how the Survival Hiking Belt has evolved. I quickly made room for a drop leg holster and now always carry my Beretta 92FS everywhere. Sometimes I bring along my Ruger 10/22 rifle but it is always something...

[@ml826]

Kind of reminds me of the old British Haversack rig from WW2

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It does at that...

[@noahfreeman7597]

Not sure if l agree with this mod. Maybe OK for casual camping, worthless in a shtf scenario. Thanks for the video.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It is not really meant for SHTF

[@batrungtran3]

Hi, how balance of the whole system is, when all pouches are full load and without the butt pack?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It is very balanced and comfortable

[@erinowl4407]

Thank you for the video.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@vermontvermont9292]

The m1967 suspenders have hooks just for this very thing. But its cool to see it working on the Y suspenders. Good job. Where did you find such new gear? My Alice gear, although still very tough is pretty well used, and surplus . Its a mix of 1975 (start of actual Alice) - late 90's stuff. Only part that's new is the belt, and the canteens. I'm even using a first aid/compass pouch with actual the actual med kit from 1985 lol. I wonder if the quick clot is even still good?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks. I really like the ALICE stuff. I got mine from all over, just lucky to get NOS items...

[@NeuKrofta]

Man, cant really find the old stuff anymore, I had a complete all canvas rig and to this day regret getting rid of it.

[@kurtrussell5228]

M1967 suspenders are nylon ( just like the Alice)not canvas like m1956, they are h not y.....you'll be able to clip that buttpack right on, no extra straps needed

[@jrozanec1]

show us what can you store in your rucksack. get an idea?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I get ya. However I have never been one to show what is in my packs because I think that is largely personal preference. What I have in my packs in Florida is wildly different from what other areas will have. But suffice it to say that the core items will be the same as everyone else....

[@gulfrelay2249]

jrozanec1 what's in yours?

[@bsykes]

Well done

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@alanhoytakabudgetbushcraft2280]

i have almost the same set up, iv also used mine in the front as a chest rig it was ok a lil big got new bag im going to try

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I really like the ALICE stuff, so versatile...

[@cb3391]

so any video using it?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I used it quite a bit but do not have video of it

[@richhoule3462]

Nice. So what will you pack in there?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Basically just a day pack for small items

[@TIGERAVENTURVIVAL]

good vídeo, THANK

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks for watching!

[@jamespunch8049]

good vid, I thought there was an adaptor from the nam, era that allowed you to do just that.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

There is but i think that it works on the H harness and I have the Y harness.

[@yvestorquest5760]

Love it!

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@cb3391]

Alice still the best imho

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Me too, it is very versatile...

[@robertmontgomery6167]

good idea , but i would try a molle patrol pack . butt pack is too small .

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

it is kind of small but I like to travel light...

[@gulfrelay2249]

pack should be higher. run straps through webbing bars= less flop. H type yoke let's you use webbars on pack for more secure mounting.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

An H harness would definitely work better for this

[@scoutsniper485]

Ive seen people use carabiners in place of ur straps

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Kind of the same thing I guess. Both will work....

[@tc556guy]

Why not just attach the buttpack in the place and manner it was intended for? It'll hold more than what you currently have in that location.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I do, this was just an experiment

[@brownwolf3218]

where r u located im near gainesvill florida

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Melbourne

[@brownwolf3218]

@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival one day we should get together and do a little survival training and buchcraft

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

@@brownwolf3218 I am up for it...

[@MTwoodsrunner]

cool!...when i was in we were issued adapter straps with our M1956 web gear....it worked basically the same except the rear suspender straps threaded through the adapter as well as the two horizontle webbing straps on the shoulders. The alice clips on the butt pack attached to a heavy canvas webbing located at the bottom of the adapter This kept the contraption from flopping around when running. here is a link: david.brubakers.us/Vietnam/ The M1967 web gear had an even simpler method of carrying the butt pack and did not require an adapter. The problem i encountered back then was, unless your ammo pouches were full and if you were not carrying frags or smoke, then the front of the web gear would ride to high no matter where i positioned the hooks of my front suspenders . I reckon it works ok as long as you balance your load well...atb...woods

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks man. i am always looking for simpler, lighter ways to carry my stuff. I really like the ALICE stuff, just got back from the surplus store buying more...lol

[@MTwoodsrunner]

i just left a link on my comment...showing the early gear we used...atb

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Man that is an INCREDIBLE link! Thanks for posting it. I see what you mean by the 1956 adapter. I was actually thinking of employing one of those but my ALICE stuff is the later version and for my purposes works fine.

[@MTwoodsrunner]

you bet amigo!....i still use this gear and have made a few adaptations myself...atb...woods

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I can see from your videos. Man your part of the country looks awesome, some incredible views. I had to subscribe to your channel....

[@jason60chev]

Use a musette type bag/pack that hooks to the "D" rings on the shoulder straps.....which looks about like what you did. However, if you use clips on the "D" rings, you can disconnect the butt pack and get into it without having to remove the rest of the gear......kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZusdGCdo9lohcU

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Kind of the same thing that I did. I have redeployed the buttpack to a different rig now though...thanks.

[@umyashure]

have you looked at the LBE improved?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I have. It looks a little big for my purposes but it is a great system. Lots of straps though...lol

[@umyashure]

the webbing that reinforces the sholder straps is not stitched like it is on the suspenders so you can attatch the but pack across the sholders

[@suspense8282]

I’d rather go buy some m67 suspenders because they’re designed to carry a field pack on your back

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

You could do that, it works about the same

[@richhoule3462]

Must swing around a lot.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It actually rides very nicely and does not move around at all.

[@badhat3051]

kool

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Thanks!

[@timothyedmiston8756]

Cool

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

thanks this is a great rig

[@ShrekIsLyfe]

Ok boomer, try getting a tactical load bearing vest instead. The yoke has 2-1/4 webbing for this very purpose.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

I have an LBV vest, just experimenting with other stuff...

[@wastelandgentleman]

Definitely stealing this idea

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It works well

[@wastelandgentleman]

@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival might add two 150 saw woodland pouches on the sides

[@ARIES5342]

So you reinvented the wheel? Adam

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Kind of....

[@brianbender8752]

I want do do that buttpack trick but I have a m56 with alice clips

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

You could probably figure something out

[@garybryant7274]

Too damn noisy. Secure the bottom to the belt somehow.

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

True. This is a late response but thanks!

[@CombatenteSniper]

Vc tem um buttpack para a venda?

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

não, eu não, mas tente ebay

[@flhxri]

lol

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

Lol

[@dalevodden1359]

Hay it works better if you have an H- harness the butt pack works better with the H harness

[@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival]

It probably does. However I dont have an H harness, only this one. But it works pretty good....