How to use Alien Relay Probes For a Galactic Internet | with John Gertz

Are there alien artifacts near the sun?
"Almost all SETI searches to date have explicitly targeted stars in the hope of detecting artificial radio or optical transmissions. It is argued that extra-terrestrials (ET) might regard sending physical probes to our own Solar System as a more efficient means for sending large amounts of information to Earth. Probes are more efficient in terms of energy and time expenditures; may solve for the vexing problem of Drake's L factor term, namely, that the civilization wishing to send information may not coexist temporally with the intended recipient; and they alleviate ET's reasonable fear that the intended recipient might prove hostile."
ET Probes: Looking Here as Well as There
arxiv.org/abs/1609.04635
JOHN GERTZ is the President and CEO of Zorro Productions, Inc. He has produced four Zorro motion pictures, including The Mask of Zorro (1998) and its sequel, The Legend of Zorro, with Antonio Banderas and Catherine Zeta-Jones. During his tenure, 14 different TV versions of Zorro have been produced, as well as more than 75 ZORRO stage productions. In 2005, together with world-renowned author Isabel Allende, he released the best-selling novel about the genesis of Zorro. He teamed up with Quentin Tarantino to create the graphic novel, Django/Zorro, currently being developed into a motion picture by SONY. Gertz is the worldwide lead producer of Zorro: The Musical, with a score by the Gipsy Kings, which premiered on London’s West End in 2008 and has since been produced throughout the world. Gertz is a leader in the field of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, having served three terms as chairman of the board of the SETI institute; and he has published a number of theoretic papers in peer reviewed astronomical journals.
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JOHN GERTZ is the President and CEO of Zorro Productions, Inc. He has produced four Zorro motion pictures, including The Mask of Zorro (1998) and its sequel, The Legend of Zorro, with Antonio Banderas and Catherine Zeta-Jones. During his tenure, 14 different TV versions of Zorro have been produced, as well as more than 75 ZORRO stage productions. In 2005, together with world-renowned author Isabel Allende, he released the best-selling novel about the genesis of Zorro. He teamed up with Quentin Tarantino to create the graphic novel, Django/Zorro, currently being developed into a motion picture by SONY. Gertz is the worldwide lead producer of Zorro: The Musical, with a score by the Gipsy Kings, which premiered on London’s West End in 2008 and has since been produced throughout the world. Gertz is a leader in the field of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, having served three terms as chairman of the board of the SETI institute; and he has published a number of theoretic papers in peer reviewed astronomical journals.

[@craigthescott5074]

John do you live next to a train station ?

[@dgalloway107]

You will NEVER find good cell phone footage of a uap because there are no cell phone cameras that will be capable of focusing on a moving object hundreds of meters away. My god this point gets mindlessly repeated over and over., just a little brainpower debunks that idea that somehow lack of hd video of a ufo means nobodys captured anything. Like shit, have you ever used a camera? of any kind? that shit takes a while to focus even when you set it up perfectly and point it at a goddamn stationary object. Thats where i check out im too annoyed for this shit.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

@@craigthescott5074 Train crossing. They have to blast the horns at all intersections by law so drivers and pedestrians know they're coming through.

[@DominikPlaylists]

One key assumption was completely wrong. We are already pretty advanced with works on self-replicating 3D printers that can build a base on the moon using lunar regolith which is far more difficult than using Earth materials. And we are already close to figuring out project Breakthrough Starshot technology to send small objects to nearby stars in ~10 years time frame. A technologically advanced aliens would have NO problem sending a 1kg 3D printer to all the neighboring star system and crawl the galaxy. Also, we should not expect to have high results UFO videos with modern cell phones. If that were the case, why do we not have a flood of high res secret military jets all over the internet? It may very well be that it's only the best current military equipment that is needed.

[@okniiv]

Thank you John for all the videos you put out. I have been listening and watching for a few years now and am always happy to see you upload. Much love, cheers!

[@EventHorizonShow]

Wow, thank you

[@a.j.b.8658]

Years! ❤ Love you John. Many thanks 🤜🤛

[@okniiv]

Just out of curiosity I went and checked when I actually subscribed and it was in March of 2019 :)

[@armand2013]

+1, John is my go to channel at bedtime for 5 years now. Thank you John!

[@MikeJones-yo8en]

“My dog and I have different interests, she’s interested in dog urine and I’m interested in SETI” I literally LOL’d 😂

[@cavetroll666]

😂😂😂

[@u.v.s.5583]

Ironically, did you know that dog urine is a kind of language?

[@brendancaulfield970]

​​@@u.v.s.5583excellent point. And a point both for and against the idea of being able to communicate with ET: For: I can tell from observing my dog's behaviour that she's very interested in gleaning information from the pheromone signatures and other chemical indicators in the territory markings of other dogs in my area. I imagine she's getting a plethora of information about the emotional state and lifestyle of the other dogs, and then she's composing a message of her own and marking the same general area. It's for all the world like humans reading a Facebook post and making a comment. The inputs and outputs contain a similar set of information. I can understand the general purpose of that kind of communication, that's the For argument. Against: I understand her body language and facial expressions to a limited degree thanks to eons of co-evolution and directed breeding. Even after evolving from a common ancestor and sculpting dogs' evolution through breeding, we humans have, at best, a fairly decent idea what dogs try to communicate to us, and at best a rough abstraction of the communications they address to each other. Achieving action and emotional comprehension with a completely unrelated life form may be beyond our ken. The worst part is that while dogs are the most consciously co-evolved intelligence we share the world with, some pigs, birds, whales, and elephants, all seem smarter and to communicate in more complex ways (in fact, birds make far more effort to communicate on our terms than even dogs do) amongst themselves. We have never been able to parse much native meaning from any of them (again aside from birds making the effort to use our language - perhaps birds would be great ambassadors to ET?). It may then follow (in fact, logically, yes, it does) that the more complex the intelligence and communication methods, the harder they will be to comprehend...

[@johnmurray7905]

Yes, that's unfair to his dog, she's interested in the messages in urine, probably not the urine itself. It's just the medium, like radio waves or laser beams, so perhaps they have more in common than he realises...

[@John-dh1gh]

Only one of them passes the sniff test...

[@friendlyone2706]

So many ideas. So little time. Every two minutes he throws out an idea that can be the core of a creative alien-centric sci fi novel. Easily one of the most inspirational guest you have had for a long time -- and you have had ONLY inspirational guests, so that is a high compliment to John Gertz.

[@DeadeyeJim327]

Earth: Mostly harmless.

[@johncunningham9094]

Humans: Mostly not.

[@seanhewitt603]

Uhhh, to other races not on the planet, but don't give them a shotgun, they could trip and shoot themselves into extinction...yuh, that dumb. Go see for yourself.

[@fernandoleanme5928]

The bipedal natives are abundant, are an excellent addition to carnivorous diets.

[@thelastbosss5378]

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[@FreeSpeechXtremist]

I honestly think if we joined an intergalactic civilization beef and milk are probably our biggest exports...

[@edibleapeman]

I LOVE John's take on human-dog relationships and the different modalities we use to sense the world around us. I think about this sorta thing all the time and it's refreshing to hear such an academic take on the subject. This channel is just the best XD

[@punkypinko2965]

Wow Gertz has really thought a lot of this through. Great interview! Very based in reality, including the speculation.

[@lapanen007]

yep, that was my feeling also. Bright clear thoughts about issues which I didn't even think were important before this

[@nathanlawrence7319]

Agreed but the discussion begs the ultimate question, how do we respond? Even the smartest most brilliant humans among us don’t seem prepared or entirely confident on how to interact with a super advanced intelligence, not only how to respond technically, but what to even say. What do we say? The guest on this episode ultimately resorted to “let us repair your broken probes”. A fair offer but resort to subservient action which may be nowhere near what they’d even want or care about. It’s a really tough and humbling question to contemplate. How would you respond to an alien signal? What would you say? What should we try to communicate?

[@nathanlawrence7319]

It’s wild to me that myself and everybody else we all spend so much time contemplating whether or not advanced civilizations might exist elsewhere in this gigantic cosmos and the technical problems of how to discover them and how to detect their signatures and how we can respond. But there’s so little talk about how we respond. What do we say? How do we say it? I’m hoping the general conversation moves towards that because it’s worthless to establish contact and have absolutely no meaningful plan for what happens next, besides listen to our cool classical piano music and let us shine your shoes and repair your space probes. I mean common. I was disappointed all this chairman of SETI had to say was ‘let’s trade! We’ll repair your probes!’ That’s our response as humans? I mean it’s a fair offer and response, but… what do we want? What do they want? There’s got to be more than that

[@francisgillett]

Hi everybody

[@a.j.b.8658]

🤟

[@brick6347]

Hi Dr Nick

[@jimbeard2952]

This guy is a disinformation agent and part of the problem

[@philfarmintino11]

this was one of my most favorite episodes! need him on again and soon john 👏

[@trumpingtonfanhurst694]

If aliens learned about us from tv and youtube we're in Big Trouble.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Oh hell no, they won't mess with the planet of Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis, Will Smith (he can fly their ships), Capt. James T. Kirk, nevermind the Borg... no, no... thinking about it, that may be why they've left us alone! That, and the nightly news. They don't want their kids anywhere NEAR us.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Not to mention Mel Gibson, obv. Nope, they're keeping arm's length

[@geoffmarcy677]

TV waves of Gilligan's Island are travelling away from Earth at the speed of light, now occupying a sphere 55 light-years in radius. We can't tell the Galaxy, "Never Mind!"

[@MCsCreations]

John, I'm still around 1/3 of the video, but there's another issue. If the aliens are more advanced they're going to have a better understanding of physics than we do. So... What if there are faster ways for communication? Or perhaps there are shortcuts, so you can go larger distances without actually traveling between them... I mean... What if the straight line isn't the shorter way? Remember: we don't know everything. We think we do... But we don't.

[@DrMackSplackem]

Do we? Who has ever said we know everything? I've never met that person.

[@bishun]

I have to agree, the assumptions made are from within our current (see: limited / incomplete) science. It’s possible we’ve got everything right, and are the smartest intelligence around, but that’s almost certainly not the case.

[@AndrewBlucher]

​@@DrMackSplackemNor have I heard anyone seriously claim that

[@MCsCreations]

@@DrMackSplackem People don't necessarily say that with those words, but they behave like that.

[@atypical1000]

@@MCsCreations No scientist believes that, they'd be out of a job if it was true. All physicists will tell you about the gaps in physics such as the quantum gravity problem and as for the other sciences, new discoveries are being made every day.

[@d0x2f]

I feel like the Drake equation was never meant to be a rigorous thesis, just a tool to convey an idea/concept. As far as i know there's no serious science that depends on it.

[@gorbachevdhali4952]

Yes, it wasn't, it's a thought experiment that variables can be filled in as time goes on. By its nature it isn't any kind of thesis, it doesn't make predictions.

[@i2308Matt]

Most science is just a thought experiment and actually real science

[@pajaf0341]

John Gertz is one of the most fascinating voices, you introduced us to. Like with AA and some of the cautiously pessimistic/realistic guests, I enjoy his sceptical wit, and the Zorro-Part in the end was a surprising but satisfactoy couterpoint. Bring him back this was way to short! (And thank you for all your Work, with love from Germany)

[@ronbosscher9421]

Im think that we give ai computer zero for ufo signals

[@friendlyone2706]

perfectly said. (and with love from Montana)

[@timscholes5478]

Brilliant episode, I love guests like this. Brilliant thought experiments! I would love to see you interview Ray Kurzweil on the show John.

[@PrinciplesMatter]

2nd'd on Ray, that would be an awesome conversation.

[@abrahamroloff8671]

I'd like to point out to your guest that he is an example of a self replicating probe (at least half of one). 😊

[@OShackHennessy]

Buuuuuurn

[@zzscotty]

Getting to know you, Getting to know all about you, From The King and I Great guest, great interview. Thank you John!

[@gammaraygem]

We have 100 years of technological development, and think we can determine how other species would fly around? We are toddlers on a 3 wheel pushbike, look mama, no hands !! We have nothing without Thought. Maybe we figure out first what WE are, and what Consciousness is. We´d advance rapidly.

[@user-xx3sd5wb9j]

One of the most thoughtful conversations on contact I have heard. This subject needs careful consideration! Thanks to both John's!

[@Pacer...]

Excellent John as usual

[@derp195]

Take a drink every time a guest says "that's a great question".

[@jedidiahhenry6020]

no thank you, its too early to get smashed!

[@oatlord]

That issue of fundamentally not knowing how to communicate with an alien a key point in Rendezvous with Rama

[@AppNasty]

Anyone else get super hyped when new episode drops?

[@Ussnoss]

awesome as always

[@jasonmcghee1266]

Great guest. I think he is right that interstellar travel by manned vessels is probably impossible which is saddening. We can wave hello, but we cannot ever show up for their Thanksgiving dinner in some other constellation. Imagine the desserts we are missing!

[@i2308Matt]

Nothing is impossible if you don’t think that way. Only losers think anything is impossible

[@js70371]

I can’t wait to listen to this when I go to bed tonight!!! Over an hour long - awesome!!! Thanks John!! 💫🙏

[@geckofeet]

You mean you use this to fall asleep?

[@js70371]

@@geckofeet yes absolutely. 👍

[@AndrewBlucher]

The length doesn't matter to me. If a vid is too long I watch some and resume later.

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Very intresting point of vision John Gertz has , who almost has the same name as myselfs ' John Geerts'😅 Grts Johny Geerts

[@HArryvajonas]

Well, we have the complete physics of the universe figured out according to many accredited scientists. This line of thinking is absolutely absurd.

[@atypical1000]

No scientist says it's complete, but with what we do know we can make very precise predictions that consistently turn out to be correct. This highly suggests that what we do understand is correct, there are just some gaps, so we are right so far but can add to it.

[@HArryvajonas]

@atypical1000 They might not say it unequivocally, but it is very apparrent that they're current understanding of physics greatly limits their ability to even consider anything beyond special relativity. Given what quantum mechanics predicts, it truly makes no sense why they are so dogmatic. I think most of the top end mathematicians and physicists excel in the field because they are exclusively left brain thinkers and have very little to no capacity for creative insight. In otherwords, the skills that help them excel in their field are also very limiting for breakthroughs or outside of the box thinking.

[@atypical1000]

@@HArryvajonas There is no evidence of them being dogmatic, can you show where that is happening? Can you show where a physicist isn't open about the gaps in physics? - I don't think you can, I think you are discrediting hard working people who are honest about the gaps in their knowledge, for your own egotistical reasons, like "I have spiritual knowledge that makes me better than those educated people", or "I trust my intuition". Please prove me wrong, please present your evidence. Science is about making predictions and developing experiments to test those predictions. I predict that you won't have any substance to reply...

[@JohnnyWednesday]

The data about our history that probes might contain has been a dream of mine since I was a kid as soon as I learned that a civilization might be millions of years older than us.

[@alexanderkozlowski1678]

Thank you for the great videos.

[@Nethershaw]

This was a surprisingly inspiring interview, thank you.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mialotusmusic]

I really enjoyed this conversation! His views really made a lot of sense, very logical way that aliens may proceed.

[@anthonyalfredyorke1621]

Thanks for another wonderful video, what an interesting guest listening to shows like this, you remember there is a place for really intelligent content on KZbin & this is definitely the place. Thanks again. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤❤.

[@tankej]

For the same reason that it will be all but impossible for us to decipher the linguistic communications of an alien being, it will be all but impossible for aliens to decipher our linguistic communications. I never cease to be amazed at the fantastic thinking of futurists like your guest on this point. That said, I love your channel, John, and though I have almost never commented, I've been a loyal subscriber for many years. Keep up the good work!

[@elissitdesign]

All it’d take is aliens to discover Sesame Street where there are pictures with words to kick things off in translation.

[@JAGzilla-ur3lh]

​@@elissitdesignUnless they communicate through tentacle sign language and don't even have spoken or written language. They might not have ears. Speaking might be completely foreign to them and extremely difficult to decode.

[@captainhakob814]

​@@elissitdesignthey mistakenly think we are a race of puppets where humans come and help us. And we use commercials to entice more humans to teach and sing with us.

[@atypical1000]

If there was a probe in orbit analyzing all our communications, I think they could do it. It would soon become obvious that we primarily use visual and auditory communication and the frequency ranges we use. Visual depictions of us would help to illuminate our sensory modalities. From there it's just looking for patterns and correlations, which a powerful AI could do. It would likely be able to understand that we were using a base 10 mathematical system and that script correlates to vocal sounds, and just keep refining from there. I think we could do it if we had a probe around an alien world and these are more advanced aliens looking at us.

[@wernervoss6357]

Militaries are pretty good at cracking codes that are designed to confuse. Cracking language, a code that is designed to communicate, is comparatively simple.

[@lightyearsfromhome1165]

That train sound in backround is awesome. The KLF.

[@brick6347]

I think crewed vessels between worlds is possible, but within limits. Flying across the galaxy, certainly not, but if there's a star passing through the Oort Cloud with a halfway decent exoplanet then maybe future humans would send a colony ship a light year or so. Even at 1% the speed of light you could make it in under 100 years, which is just about within a human lifetime even now. Ok, 100 is a very old human to be sure, but medical technology is advancing and even now a handful people have lived past 120. Who knows, maybe 100 is the new 40 in 2300?!

[@rodneyericjohnson]

Yes. And I think we could get much faster than that. 20% light speed at least. And there are multiple ways to neutralize impacts from going that fast.

[@UniformedDisorder]

Because why? We can't do it? The ego on these earthlings

[@mmstick]

With trans-dimensional travel, you could get anywhere instantly.

[@robbabcock_]

Fascinating, as always! I have no idea if SETI will ever yield any fruit but these questions are the most important ones that humanity could ever face.

[@i2308Matt]

They already have their conclusion because of wasting years of searching

[@1030king]

Wonderful interview. Thank you!

[@d1ss1dent]

Great episode, great guest

[@3RAN7ON]

8:03 unless someone puts a literal map on the probe as in the case of the voyagers...

[@brucekettle6056]

Good "Down to Earth" guest... His international treaty statement is so right on!!

[@elyeskr5490]

Quite strange that on the one hand he says we'd be like Hittites being oblivious to tech with greater reach than arrows if we thought ourselves safe from alien weapons, but on the other hand he thinks interstellar travel is unfeasible and his answer to the great silence is personal incredulity about the ability of an advanced civilization to solve the problem of making a space probe via space mining. (Not that Von Neumann probes themselves are necessary for interstellar expansion anyway) His Fermi paradox solution directly contradicts his earlier point about not underestimating alien tech or problem-solving ability, especially if they've had more time than us.

[@Bitchslapper316]

Interesting. Thank you JMG and friends.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Thank you. This episode was stunning.

[@godisinfinity]

I can really recommend to invite Kevin Knuth for an episode! So far one of the best explanations of UAP behaviour I ever heard.

[@tommymyers3183]

Kevin is a genius.

[@ourcommonancestry6025]

Great show

[@amangogna68]

Great video and information !

[@maximilianschubert2651]

For all the guest’s fairly deep thinking on the subject, he is painfully behind the times.

[@zapfanzapfan]

There is is, my good night story. Happy New Year!

[@marccorbett4297]

It’s Thursday! Yay. Another awesome video John. Thank you

[@lapanen007]

I think this was my absolute favority up till now. It's always a pleasure to listen to somebody with such clear thinking (on his feet also). Reminds me of a very smart, edgy but sadly passed away british author/journalist

[@cavetroll666]

Cheers from Toronto thanks for the content

[@EventHorizonShow]

Our pleasure!

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Chow is one of those 'bad actor' Aliens.

[@cavetroll666]

10000% its insane what she plans to do basically holding us hostage unless the federal government gives them money lol 10% property tax is insane what else is she going to do next sell us to the CCP?@@jimmyzhao2673

[@kx4532]

We're listening in Light/radio, neutrino, and gravity. Them Alien's need to step up to be heard.

[@AccessUnknown]

It’s a novel approach to alien communication, potentially explaining the Fermi Paradox. Exciting ideas!

[@SwiftlyZ]

Amazing conversation. This dude was a great guest

[@EventHorizonShow]

We thought so too!

[@justinthome1688]

Brilliant guest. Thanks John!

[@geoffmarcy677]

Gertz' model of ET choosing to employ interstellar probes and communication nodes makes perfect sense. The probe can gather data for thousands or millions of year, and safely transmit information about Earth back to home. Also, ET prevents others in the Galaxy from knowing the location of its home base . Probes are cheap, and can travel at 1/100 the speed of light, leisurely arriving at habitable planets. Indeed, we humans are sensing probes, such as Voyager I and II. ET would do the same.

[@DarthLink1986]

The thumbnail pictures creatures eyes are following me! Lol

[@happyhammer1]

This is definitely in my top 5 favorite event horizon episodes.

[@EventHorizonShow]

What did you like most about it?

[@nathanlawrence7319]

@EventHorizonShow, for me John your question this episode about our reaction plans in the event of extraterrestrial contact is extremely important, maybe more so than the discovery and contact itself, and has also received surprisingly very little attention in discussions over the years. Who ultimately has the right to speak for us as a species? And the authority and power to decide humankind’s action plans and “next steps” for disclosure to the public of ET contact and humankind’s response to that contact? Please continue to ask your guests this important question and consideration going forward, and thank you for asking it and the great work you do!

[@nathanlawrence7319]

@EventHorizonShow, even the smartest most brilliant humans among us don’t seem prepared or entirely confident on how to interact with a super advanced intelligence, not only how to respond technically, but what to say. What do we say? Your guest on this episode ultimately resorted to “let us repair your broken probes”. A fair offer but resort to subservient action which may be nowhere near what they’d even want or care about. It’s a really tough and humbling question to contemplate..

[@mfern45]

Your guest for this one was certainly very self-confident.

[@youaremopped]

Oo. Cool thumbnail.

[@genkidamatrunks6759]

I'm still gonna call it the Fermi Paradox. But damn The Great Silence is an awesome name tho 😤

[@HellCatt0770]

Being ‘aired’ by a whole universe should probably make humans reflect on their image!

[@seanhewitt603]

The silent treatment is psychological abuse... Trust me, my ex did it, and it hurts😂

[@flalien727tb3]

That intro song sounds so epic!!!

[@suzettewilliams1758]

Very interesting interview, points all well made. Disagree about his views on UAP. Could UAPs be the very probes he has been talking about.

[@geoffmarcy677]

Brilliant point.

[@GizzyDillespee]

It's IRC - Intergalactic Relay Chat

[@CloneShockTrooper]

Fascinating perspective 😊

[@apollo9543]

The protomolecule from The Expanse wasn't good or bad it just didn't care where it paved its galactic highway. How would humanity handle something like that?

[@Jimmy-B-]

Great Guest! Down to earth 🌍and interesting

[@vlbn]

such a fascinating guest!

[@kenziedayne4234]

What if they don't care about us at all but have communication within their own solar system or across several systems with their own planets, ships, orbital stations, moon outposts, etc. Could we detect that if it exists, but isn't a signal aimed specifically at us?

[@JonnoPlays]

Cool question. I'd like to know as well.

[@friendlyone2706]

If the aliens firmly believed (for reasons of their own) that they alone were intelligent, then they would make zero effort to avoid eavesdroppers. I think accidental signals ae the most likely.

[@djdrack4681]

Short answer: incredibly unlikely we could. --> the signal path from origin-to-desto would need to be 'pointed' head-on at us... Even so, the precise time our planet is in particular position/aligned w/ both their origin/desto would be vital depending on how far away their desto system is. --> The signal would need to be 'obvious' and super powerful. It'd need to be discrete patterned modulation (AM/FM); IF it was a signal patterned into something like a star's (otherwise 'natural' emissions), OR if it was inverted modulation (IE modulated pattern of 'missing bandwidths' amid an otherwise broad band emission)...We'd 100% miss it for 'natural' phenomenon, or not even be looking for it (currently, as is case of an inverted modulated method). --> The signal would need to repeat some parts of it (so pattern recognition can at least recognize that even encoded it'd be repeating some portions) AND the signal duration has to be long...Ideally hours, if not days-to-months). Short-burst, short-message, encrypted messages? We'll miss them.

[@carmattvidz4426]

It would depend on how close they are. If they were close we could detect their leakage but if they are far it’s unlikely.

[@carmattvidz4426]

It more likely we will detect a Technosignature in an exoplanet atmosphere with our next generation space telescopes. If I was a betting man that how I think we find the aliens. Detecting CFCs in an exoplanet atmosphere is just as good as a bright and repeating radio detection. The good news is that JWT can potentially make that detection but I say we need to wait for the next generation of space telescopes

[@TheStefmcd]

Great guest. V thoughtful and thorough in his opinions.

[@craigthescott5074]

I think as we expand into the galaxy we will find archaeological sights of extinct alien civilizations. The chances like this guest stated of two civilizations being around at the same time and close enough to communicate with each other is very unlikely. The only exception to this would be if we could prove worm holes are possible.

[@i2308Matt]

Unlikey why is that. Because humans think that ??? We know nothing but pretend we do.

[@craigthescott5074]

@@i2308Matt it’s a pure numbers thing. The numbers are there but because advanced civilization’s probably don’t last forever you have to be around at the same time and within reasonable distances from each other to ever have contact. 13.8 billion years is more than enough time to evolve a civilization the problem is having two at the same time.

[@mateovncnt7411]

Love the theme song!

[@MichielHollanders]

That was quite the gear shift!! 😂 Very cool though. Great interview

[@JonnoPlays]

Movie Recommendation: "Landscape with Invisible Hand" It's about aliens and if you like this channel you'll enjoy the movie. Don't want to spoil it just watch the trailer.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you Jonno! Will check it out. Really appreciate all of your support too.

[@AnonymousBosch3158]

The thumbnail of the video is so cool.

[@madmattdigs9518]

There are so many paranormal stories. So many cryptid stories. I’m very skeptical of such things. But I really enjoy wondering “what if?” What if some of these stories are real? And what people see is just a glimpse of some highly advanced alien technology. That we can’t even begin to understand… It’s fun to ponder such things.

[@damienharabalja9071]

Wow the METI guys need a chance to debate (defend) themselves. Perhaps we need a debate between METI and John Gertz. This was a great episode… but a debate is needed in the future.

[@avishalom2000lm]

Does anyone know which KZbin video Mr. Gertz was referring to about all the things that go into making a pencil?

[@geoffmarcy677]

www.google.com/search?q=i+pencil+video&sca_esv=600122311&ei=UECsZfrZF9TLkPIP6eypoAU&ved=0ahUKEwj6werC-eyDAxXUJUQIHWl2ClQQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=i+pencil+video&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiDmkgcGVuY2lsIHZpZGVvMgsQABiABBiKBRiRAjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjILEAAYgAQYigUYhgNI5gxQwwVY_gpwAXgBkAEAmAFuoAHWBKoBAzIuNLgBA8gBAPgBAcICChAAGEcY1gQYsAPCAg0QABiABBiKBRhDGLADwgIWEC4YgAQYigUYQxjlBBjIAxiwA9gBAcICExAuGEMYgAQYigUYyAMYsAPYAQHCAhMQLhiABBiKBRhDGMgDGLAD2AEBwgIFEAAYgATCAggQLhiABBjlBMICChAuGEMYgAQYigXCAgoQABiABBiKBRhDwgINEC4YgAQYigUYQxjlBOIDBBgAIEGIBgGQBg-6BgQIARgI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6a0e1eec,vid:IYO3tOqDISE,st:0

[@geoffmarcy677]

Google "I, Pencil"

[@michaelwicks7680]

If you told Christopher columbus who spent many years navigating the world that we can do it in a day today he would say "that's impossible" because of his knowledge of his technology, I'm 100% sure our understanding knowledge of technology is just as lacking, we still don't really understand the physics of the universe, just like columbus 😅😅😅

[@Ozymandius_corn_maze]

The message we first receive might be from the ET's equivalent of Scientology or North Korea.

[@johndeflavio6131]

JMG: I have found the the closing music of your videos wake me up when I use your videos to help fall asleep while learning. Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe a change to the sound or volume at end of videos. Thanks.

[@TerraFilmTV]

Imagine if they sent a probe here waiting for AI to be “born” just waiting for the signal from the AI saying it’s here

[@ReolSPro]

we fight each other, companies and money are ruling the planet - how can we ever agree on what to answer?

[@vermasean]

Learned so much about space and Batman in the same video! BTW, 1:13:26 - way to decompress an intense topic! 🦇 🐎! ❤

[@midnightkaty5130]

What is the intro song, specifically, please?

[@HellCatt0770]

Wonder if radio signals is a bit ‘yesterday’ for an advanced interstellar civilisation? I suspect networks and relay stations might be a little out of date too? Did like the reference to dogs world of scent though! Reminds me of Children of Time by Tchaikovsky where Spider like beings don’t understand why humans can’t learn to speak in vibrations…

[@TennesseeJed]

Maybe our DnA is the alien probe.

[@seanhewitt603]

If there are microbes in Venus's atmosphere, check their DNA...

[@smugfrog8111]

"There's no conspiracy" Yeah man, there clearly is.

[@friendlyone2706]

A consistent UFO conspiracy theory is "The sitting president is the last to know, unless "they" are forced by current events to share. Well covered in the classic Sci Fi movie, Independence Day.

[@reltub20001]

What about the black knight sattalight if you believe it is there? Do you think it may be a probe?

[@PhillyHardy]

17:15 with the number 2 pencil talk, fascinating, it brings up how amazing our life in itself is, and we need to remember that occasionally. And saying we’re so vile, compare us to the jungle and even to plant life competition, it’s a jungle out there, sure it can be better, but it can be much worse as well

[@andrewgray6545]

I wish JMG had asked John for his thoughts on the fact that life only started once on Earth.

[@infinidominion]

FRB's are so prevailent yet not regarded as what we could imagine they might be...dismissed as natural

[@cybersecuritydeclassified4793]

The probes could utilize a mesh.

[@ZeroAlligator]

The probe isn’t somewhere in our solar system, it’s right here on earth. Where better to observe than from the only habitable planet in the system.

[@jameslee5191]

Here's something I've wondered about. If advanced civilizations could be using subatomic connected pair particles to communicate over vast distances due to the fact it's faster than light in its transmission time.....🤔

[@madkillerz007]

Theres a sci fi book written by Cixin Liu called the Three Body Problem, in the book the characters come across this kind of thing. An alien civilisation communicates with Earth using paired particles that have been engineered specifically for this kind of thing. They are quantum entangled together for FTL communications. I think its a solid concept

[@jameslee5191]

@@madkillerz007 thanks, I'll see if I can find the e-book version online.........👍

[@MuppetsSh0w]

You can't transfer any real information that way so no.

[@lorenzo41942]

​@@MuppetsSh0w why couldn't you? If you devised a way to use the entangled communication devices. Say if we entangled two photon's and sent one to space. Whatever you did to the one here, "spin" then either opposite spin on the photon in space, instantly. It highly plausible

[@derekwhiteman954]

⁠@@lorenzo41942cool worlds has an episode covering this. Look up: Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

[@adambrain8365]

Hey, telescope questions for anybody out there with one. I haven’t had one in 30 years. And back then 10 year old me just flew by the seat of his pants. If I sight in my latitude, should I paint a template of the space to keep it consistent for when I move it back inside? I didn’t spend the money for one that finds stuff automatically off your cell phone, though maybe I should have. Any personal input would be greatly appreciated. It has some instructions for sighting with it, but the language is…vague at best.

[@marylousherman5471]

Fortunately, the discussion was a lot less scary than the graphic pic that opened this episode!

[@thekingofclubs]

You could say that about Batman though. He doesn't have any super powers either. He is basically just a ninja.

[@lyledal]

If there were lasers being beamed at our star, wouldn't we be able to detect that?

[@stevenutter3614]

The little ape says 'they can't escape the laws of physics any more than we can' and from that point forward none of the little apes even tried to discover new physics, and so their civilization stagnated.