How to win against long pimples easily

[@dattannguyen4093]

4 things I would share if you want to control long pips players: + Keep it simple spin: 90% serve no spin or topspin to long pips side, 10% serve spinny spin to regular rubber for surprising him, it makes him easy to make error + Top spin all the way: There is no chance for you if you push, chop, drop shot.....against long pips player. With his pips rubber, your life may be harder because he control every ball easily with his long pips. The game is different when you use top spin, for me top spin is one of the hardest spin for controlling rather than back spin. If you use top spin, the ball return always goes long with back spin, it is easy for you to kill the ball with your forehand loop, moreover long pips player can only block your stroke but he cannot control the position of the ball when returning, you can put him into your pocket. + Dont rush and keep calm: Look at Zhang Jike in the video, he do not rush, he is calm and loops the ball with his forehand carefully. Do not think that you can win long pips with just one stroke, make he feel difficult and then kill the game. + Last but not least: Long pips players know all of above things, they always find the way to counter. For you, just play with long pips players with my suggestion as much as possible. The more you play, the more you control them.

[@-danR]

Zhang Jike _does_ do a push in one rally in the video, and it's clear from the lady and blocker that she is quite comfortable and flexible in dealing with the lp blocker guy's returns. My advice is to find an lp player and just _practice,_ not play him. He probably won't be as consistent as the lp blocker in the video, but the principle is the same: keep being flexible and take each ball as it comes with the shot that seems, on-the-fly, most appropriate to that given shot as it appears. Watch his stroke action, watch the ball, watch the bounce, make stroke-action short, just try to get the ball back. A float-push will be the mainstay shot in the beginning. And don't expect long practice rallies, just make sure you can get the ball back no matter what shot you choose: drive, push, block, float. * If you _cannot_ find a suitable lp practice-partner, the only thing you can do is get a (cheapo) lp racquet/rubber and learn to play with it for several weeks until you learn vicariously from good players playing you how they work around the system

[@dattannguyen4093]

​@@-danR One size does not fit all, if there are some balls you cannot loop the ball properly, just push safely. If you notice closely, ZJK always loops the ball first then he will decide loop again or push the next ball, this is because ZJK know exactly the returned spin.

[@knotwilg3596]

Your tips may be easy to implement for an advanced player but not so easy for the people in the lower divisions, which is exactly where long pips are to be found. 1. I agree with "keep the spin simple", especially avoiding side spin because pips revert the side spin and this is even more counterintuitive to handle than a returned topspin/backspin which ends up as a backspin/topspin. And I agree with serving deep into the pips, since the pips player cannot attack. At the end of your 1st point you casually mention the "topspin - push - topspin - push" rhythm. I believe every inexperienced player should first go through this stage and acquire stability against the pips player, understanding the reversal of the spin and making it part of their muscle memory. So this is very important. 2. Serving half long to the forehand is an advanced technique. When I do it, my pips opponent will notice the change in serving motion and run around the forehand to block with the pips. 3. Topspin all day! Yes, this is what Zhang Jike does. But his topspin is very stable and he can do it against various amounts of backspin. This is precisely what beginner attackers are trying and failing at, making them so frustrated. Myself I stick with serving deep, varying the placement to elbow or backhand and varying the spin between backspin and no spin. This is enough variety to get bring my topspin in position. If we go into a rally, I will stick to alternating the push-topspin to avoid mistakes and await my chance for the next attack. BTW, you make an interesting point about pips players being either blockers or defenders. You showed us how to play a blocker like Akerstrom. For a defender like Joo, do you recommend varying short-long, or make wide angles (this is what I see the pros do).

[@pingsunday]

Very good points Dieter! For the clubs level player, I advice my player to use more topspin. And my players win a lot of the "old daddy" with long pips. For Joo, the tactics are not the same. He is the defender, not the blocker. I will analyse the tactics in another video. Bests

[@219cafe]

With the understanding that pip reverse spin, I would rather serve backspin and no spin deep then top spin then chop then top spin.

[@inquistive]

You make good points Dieter.

[@-danR]

Joe A higher-class of long-pipper will have the up-flick return of backspin, even off the bounce. They can hit upwards, with a somewhat open blade, and the ball will shoot back to you surprisingly fast as a topspin drive.

[@219cafe]

tubeist- dan that is the reason I would choose to serve deep into the long pip side. Long pip can’t topspin, “hitting upward with a somewhat open bat” is more difficult further away from the table. That is said, I lose to long pip players many times!

[@pnachtwey]

The girl is doing it right. She alternates top spin and back spin. You push back spin to get a top spin return that can be attacked or easily returned. I always advise lower players to use this method to get by until they reach Zhang Jike mode where they can attack anything. The girl is not "top spinning all the day". ERT is inconsistent in his advice. LPs are not all the same. LPs with no sponge will usually have more spin reversal. However they do not return hard fast shots well because there is to sponge to absorb the energy of the ball and slow it down. Good LP 0X players have "soft hands" that will pull back on the blade a little to slow the return down. LPs with sponge allow the LP player to attack more, chop and slow down the ball but they give up spin reversal. LP players will push through the ball to avoid bending pips to get the most spin reversal. Bending the pips is allow the LP player to put some spin on the ball so the ball doesn't float. LP players need to know when the pips will grab and when they won't so does the attacker but this is hard until you get to Zhang Jike mode where you just don't care and attack it anyway. I am nowhere near Zhang Jike but I don't mind playing against LP with double inverted because I have played a lot with LPs and anti. Practice, practice, practice. Familiarity breed contempt.

[@skuzzle]

Well, many players might find it difficult to topspin/attack every ball of a long pimples player due to the backspin (especially on amateur or local levels). For players having problems with their consistency there are easier tactics to win against long pimples imho. 1. When you serve, do a backspin serve, the long pimple player will generally push the ball back. due to long pimps the ball will come back with float or even light topspin. your chance to attack. same applies to a rally: pimps player pushes (heavy backspin) -> you push back (backspin)--> pimps pushes back (float/topspin)--> attack chance 2. play fast and wide 3. try forcing to play on the inverted rubber side as the pimps player will generally try to utilize his pimps as much as he can. this will lead to more forced errors of the pimp player and a more normal and better known game style. (but watch out for good twiddlers :))

[@elg0rdo351]

Firstly, thank you very much for your high quality videos that you give the tt-community for free! :) Secondly, your hints make totally sense and I like the metaphor with the mirror: simple and controlled actions lead to easily controllable situations. The beautiful lady demonstrates it well in training. Just do the same for understanding that long pips enhance your spin. For point play situations I highly suggest placing your top spins deeply into the middle. Most amateur choppers lack solid footwork and this placement makes them move. :D Thirdly, instead of getting angry or neglecting the choppers, train with them. It makes great fun as you get better and you get funny rallys against good choppers. A friend of mine is a very good offensive player and plays in Germany's third league. After practicing seriously, I often tell him to grab his long pips racket he uses for fun and we play matches in which he is Wang Hao, the famous Chinese defender from the 90ies era. Then I am Peter Karlsson. As a kid I was a big fan of Karlsson. :D Maybe I got off track a bit here, but your mental attitude is important. Embrace learning, enjoy getting better and have fun instead of being angry.

[@arminnurkovic8345]

Im a Long pips player myself but im also a 2 winged Attacker. I first Defend with my long pimples hopeing they do the things you mentioned in the video. When the do "KISS" I twiddle my my racket and basically abuse them with a devastateing attack! Im playing in a low devision however thats probably the reason why my style is so effective when the coaches basically help me abuse them even more with their advices!

[@75Cabezon]

Great vid !!!! Would you please make a vid about how to play against short pips. We would really appreciate you advice. Big thanks in advance. Grettings from Peru

[@eczavyr2899]

And coach, could you analyse the game between xu xin and ma te? While Xu Xin was known as a defender destroyer, he lost against ma te.

[@liamcannon9617]

This is great timing , I lost to my first OX Long Pips player yesterday !

[@DavidWong46798]

Good video and tips. I have some minor admentments: 1) There is no always true tactic to any player, if you think that you can win a person by one tactic, he will change his tactic to against your tactic. 2) Of cause long pip player can attack. For high ball, long pip player can have a head on collision to attack. There is not much difference for any rubber for head on non-spiny collision, apart for some difference in the speed after the collision. For lower ball, the normal inverted rubber can produce the top spin ( or half spin half collision ) to loop the ball so that it lands on the table easily. cannot produce top spin as easily as the inverted rubber, to create the necessary arc necessary for the ball to land on the table.

[@andreasweiss8195]

I am a LP player because I had to change because of shoulder desease. But I use to be a offensive player. Those things in the video are usefull, but they are stereotyps. If you play like this against me you will have no chance, because if you play a long service, I turn my racket or I hit with my LP. If you topspin everything...even better. Than I start playing offensive. There is a answer on everything, because we improve too. The reason why the swedish player is loosing, is because he is mutch lower ratet. The reason why there are no top 100 player is because we are to less and our training is not professionell.

[@badass6656]

To top spin continually against long pips your top spin must be very good high intermediate and above. For lower ranked players you may need to top spin and push the next ball, then flat hit or top spin the returned push. They will need a lot of practice.

[@scripturespark-y4j]

Its never easy to win with long pips players... Even if you know how to play them...

[@roman2374]

D'FX Journey it should never be easy to win a match of tt

[@ChessArmyCommander]

If you lose against long pips , don't feel bad. Even players at the professional level lose against long pips. Because there are certain professional players who play the modern chopping style using long pips, and they are capable of beating anybody. In 2003 a long pips player got second place in the world table tennis championships ! He beat many top professional players in that tournament.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

Note that was 20 years ago. Over 20 years the pros have learned to adapt, so how are they going in more recent years? How many have Ma Long and FZD lost to?

[@mathisbedouillat2136]

Ma long has a hair's problem on the thumbnail

[@eczavyr2899]

In this situation, a simpke twiddle and take the deep serve with the backhand to the opponents forehand side will scare them like crazy and we win the match :)

[@workingbrain7853]

U can twiddle all u want but what the coach said is true, its a joke! See alot of LP get smashed to the moon in the midst of twiddling, not to mention those twiddler who confused themselves while twiddling, :))

[@Hajjat]

Love the strategy. I'm gonna try it out. I got defeated badly the other day playing against a long pimples guy. I fell into the trap of pushing deep against his.

[@DavidWong46798]

2) The person against the long pip player wants to make things simple by always top spin to the far side of the table, in such a case he can always loop the long return ball which has down spin. This is because he is afraid of the different spinning of the return ball as compared with inverted rubber. If he is really familiar with the characteristics of long pip rubber, he can adjust his return accordingly whenever he sees the long pips rubber being used. Then this is not necessary.

[@RajKumar-jp2oq]

well coach thanks for helping me to understand TT who do not have coache.. I have learned alot from your videos keep uploading videos .....

[@DavidWong46798]

3) The long pip player can further trick the inverted rubber player. A) he can retreat his racket before hitting the top spin ball. In such a case, a low short ball is returned just landing near the net and it is almost impossible for the inverted rubber player to loop. The long pip player can do the long and short ball alternatively to trick the inverted player. B) The long pip player can also reverse his rubber alternatively by his other hand, and therefore tricks the inverted player. C) Whenever the inverted player doesn't respond well, such as returning a " barbecue high ball"', then attack. Those are the theory only. I am only a TT beginner and doesn't master those technique well.

[@Siberianhusky55]

I’m using long pips

[@DavidWong46798]

It is harder to produce the necessary top spin from long pip rubber starting on low ball to land on the table, but it can be done. The way to do it is to hit the ball at the lower rear side, and loop the ball with a larger lift up action. With some practices, there is not much difficulties for long pip player to attack.

[@ipushkarjoshi22]

Hello, I am from India an a mature player and I don't practice often but I have taken some formal coaching some time earlier. Your videos are very informative and I enjoy them. I play fast attacking topspin type My equipment setup in Gki euro carbon and yasaka mark v rubber both side.. Now I am looking for another combination can you suggest me some which is not too expensive..

[@ethangamingproduction7473]

thx.informative video.I,as a long pimple player,learned something fromthus video

[@pingsunday]

You are long pips blocker or defender?

[@ethangamingproduction7473]

EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach defender

[@rolandosalvioli8888]

Like yesterday Feng tianwei vs batra

[@rolandosalvioli8888]

Not always attack win and stop to speak only about china

[@ethangamingproduction7473]

yeah batra is amazing.it s insane how she can twiddle so frequently

[@vatsalashah2462]

Hello coach emrattich, Can you help me with my backhand it's very weak

[@niklaskras5498]

but if i loop all day long sometimes there is too much backspin coming back, that my topspin is not going to reach the other side. thats kind of my problem

[@jeffp2033]

On the other hand, there is a match where Joo Sae Hyuk beat Zhang Jike 4-0

[@roman2374]

Jeff P Joo Sae Hyuk is also able to attack whenever the attacker lets lose. In this video long pips are portayed as purely defensive players. Also Joo is incredibly talented and I’m sure if had drilled to be normal inverted he could have been number 1 But long pips modern Defense is just so much fun to play! Oh the long rallies ❤️

[@gauravnami]

can you tell me the difference between blocker style and defender style? and can you make a video on how to play a lob game?

[@dominusblandus]

"Long pips are a joke" - if you are Zhan Jike! :D

[@shilongecho2840]

nice tips, thank you!

[@CAPITANCARAJOTE]

Hello. Thank you for your new great video¡¡¡¡¡¡ It is marvelous you got a little time to do that. One question. The players like me that we are still learning our strokes, and make a lot of unforced errors, Do you think is a better tactic to do all the time topspin? Or it could be better to do one topspin, one push -trying to make it short oblying the long pips to move forward as you said in another video if I remember well-? And about the serves..... So you recomend long serves alternating forhand and backhand.....is it correct? And what about how usually serve the long pips servers? Are there a pattern? How we have to return their serve? thank you very much

[@wahyukusdiantoro8188]

Thanks for video... Let us know, is there any long pips player who is to be #1 world rank?

[@pingsunday]

Yes. Search for the Korean legend JSH

[@ngwoonlam]

Excellent Tips. Thanks!

[@chrispaws9294]

For the lower skilled my tips are don't bother with loads of spin. deeper shots to backhand (pips side). You can put it a foot or two over the net. average long pips players cannot attack from deep. if they do attack with pips then block high or you will put it in the net.

[@봄뿌리-춘근]

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[@zackweston501]

Great video!

[@zandogreatchannel4212]

Thanks for the tips

[@jameslivesey8322]

First you said 'serve long no spin to backhand side. then you said, serve to the forehand side....? What about players who's playing hand is opposite? so typically down the line serve will be to the LP and cross court will be to FH inverted?

[@azraelrose]

Now i don't know if i could stay whit long pips or change to normal rubber.Please help! 😭😭

[@ukulelehans1959]

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge

[@Asaigal]

Hi can you provide your analysis on INDIA's Manika Batra. What made her beat world no. 4 twice in the commonwealth games recently?

[@pingsunday]

yes. Her playing style is very strong. I will analyze it later. Bests

[@jeevanchaukar]

Manika is hopefully going to do to TT in India what Saina Nehwal and PV Sindhu did in Badminton. She is an upcoming star and hopefully many girls and boys will take up TT due to her feats in future. ERT's tips are general and will apply to majority of situations and players but NOT ALL. Some players will be more ingenious in finding new ways of using their rubbers and might even develop newer techniques which nobody ever thought in the past. I can state one example from the past - a great Chinese player - Liu Gyuoliang - he was a Pen Holder Grip style attacking player. Mostly prior to him, pen holder style players used 99.9% (or maybe 100%) only ONE SIDE of the racket as I remember for both forehand and backhand. Liu found ways of using both sides of the racket even with pen holder style (I think nobody before him did so successfully at international level). He is remembered as a great player of that style from the past. His battles with players like Jan Ove Waldner and Kong Ling Hui were awesome. So, maybe Manika has something that opponents haven't yet figured out which makes her unusually successful even with Long Pips type rubber on one side. But due to Ultra Slow Motion capture technology easily available now a days, definitely full analysis on her style will be out and we will come to know anyway.

[@jonneville2287]

Your comments are relevant regarding the old frictionless LPs, but they are now banned by ITTF. The pips I use have a fair amount of grip, but not as much as inverted, so I have control over how much spin is on the ball. I stay close to the table and aggressively block to the sides or into the body, and rarely step back and chop. It causes a lot of difficulty for my opponents, as the ball can have no spin, mild top spin, or can sometimes have slight spin reversal, depending on how I hit the ball. I have complete control over what I am doing. I can chop-block, or play a fast top spin punch block, I can take all the spin off the ball, or add my own. At club level, it is very effective. The rubber I use has very little spin reversal, but it does have some if you just let the ball bounce off the rubber directly. Fabian Ackerstrom in the video above, it seems, was a little intimidated by the speed and spin of his opponent, and played far too passively. His game was very "soft'. He kept moving away from the table, immediately losing his advantage, and started chopping, which isn't his natural game. You cannot play passively against a player of Zhang's calibre. If you watch other videos of Ackerstrom, he can play very effectively with the pips, and has won many games. You can't judge a particular type of rubber from just one video example. ☺☺ Thank you for all your great tips, you are a wonderful resource of table tennis knowledge.

[@eugeneteo9778]

what are some tactics / playstyles you had trouble dealing with as an LP player though having lots of trouble against penhold LPs as they are extremely versatile and can manage returns on all angles of the table

[@francescodemetrio5473]

Very very very good! Fantastic, thank very much! Merci! Grazie! MUITO OBRIGADO!!!

[@joyohan7317]

The problem when we play with LP, they also can atk with forehand spin.. so usually, when we give him long chop, then the LP will atk us with top spin.. in game not so simple.. and sometimes, the LP players they swap their rubber in game( swap forehand to LP, and backhand with inverted) and so on.. that make the game more difficult

[@Mume729]

Thanks coach, good information to help my game.

[@eelenlok]

Hi Coach, i dont understand what do you mean by 'deep ball' ? tks

[@deekshikgowda2704]

I can win against my opponent who is strong equal to me, but I loose against weak player. I forget the correct stroke. When I hit the ball my weak opponent blocks. But the blocked ball is too slow. My weak opponent do not know the correct strokes. I get mentally disturbed, tensed and do not do a correct stroke. I forget the key " power from the ground" and I cannot estimate where the ball bounces. Please help me coach, I completely believe in you

[@genies77]

Dear, EmRatThich, what can you say about play of Manika Batra? She recently won gold medal at CWG 2018 and beat many women players (even high level ones) with normal inverted rubbers on both sides. So, apparently playing against long pimples is not so easy as you are trying to represent in your video :)

[@_thyagarajangnanasekaran3127]

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[@Iti_Chowdhury]

Please make a video on defensive playing style with long pimples. Please

[@gustavofernandes913]

What about a series of how to play AS a defender?

[@Katigaboy]

please inform me about the ​deep ball, what is it

[@die1097]

Great video! . Could you give some tips for long pimples blocking players?

[@Loopspin]

EmRat - thank you for demystifying long pimples ! Does the same strategy work for short pimples ?

[@pingsunday]

No. Its not the same.

[@_thyagarajangnanasekaran3127]

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[@harisansari7748]

What will be the difference in stroke if pimpled player uses sponge

[@petrusincraian198]

Thank you very much. I needed this advice very bad. I am very frustrate when I play long pimples. This video will help me a lot.

[@somduttasarkar396]

Petru Sincraian me tooooooooo 😢👿👿👿👿😠😠😠😠😵😵😵

[@PatrickChoi]

I bet you triggered a lot of long pips players when you said it was a joke xD

[@pingsunday]

It's just for fun! No offend for long pips player. Master long pips is not easy. I respect every long pimple player! Cheers!

[@shawoon]

It can be said that he mentioned long pips not long pips player. Another thing can be said - long pips players are not here to play, they are here to make you play; fall you in a bad position. Not to take points, rather waiting for you to give them the points. (In case of pips choppers) Those matches you will be exhausted after 5th set. After that you will just want to finish playing by throwing the points. On 6th and 7th set, long pips players take all the advantages of a tired, exhoused player.

[@PatrickChoi]

EmRatThich Yes, I know you had no bad intentions xD

[@PatrickChoi]

Async Shahriar Yeah, I know, no need to explain that xD

[@gab5012]

@@shawoon NO! NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER BE TIRED!!!

[@nurhadiwibowo3978]

Is that also work against short pips?

[@dito9364]

Hai coach.i am a fan of your channel.please tell me about how to play against the carbon blade player.because he is so tough to me.please say

[@xx-jr6yt]

FOOTBALL CLIPS What is so tough about it? I am playing a carbon blade and i really like the speed of it. Usually players win carbon blades are attackers so try to keep the game short

[@mahirkurdi7542]

More a great Video thank you coach!

[@sunthanaardan9619]

Rasanya pernah dengar ada jenis karet bat laba-laba, apakah yg dimaksud 'karet jerawat (long pimplels) atau lain lagi?.

[@ylldeda9154]

I have a problem . In practice last day and i play a long pimples player but he attack with long pimples and when i counter attack the ball go high and if block the ball '' the ball go into the net !!!!!!!!!!!??????

[@Rog5446]

When I played with reverse rubber, I treated all long pimple shots as floats and returned as float (no spin). I've gone back to playing with a hard bat (short pips no sponge) and now when I play against long pips, I just smash my opponent off the table.

[@_thyagarajangnanasekaran3127]

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[@ArmstrongHidam]

Please make a video on how to play and win against a player with Anti rubber

[@zazenforever4940]

So when will you produce a video titled "How defensive players can beat offensive players- Defensive tactics". The lack of information and general disregard for the defensive style of play is simply amazing. I would love to have you produce a series on defensive play as taught by the Chinese method. Esp. at lower levels, modern defense is a valid and effective form of play. Instead of putting down defensive, encourage all forms of play.

[@Lorre200]

Yes, the video is made by an attacking player and contains only the perspective of an attacking player. That's for sure. I don't mind that, but the question is: does he realize he's biased?

[@zazenforever4940]

I have no idea, but my point is 99.9% of all instructional videos are geared toward attacking players. Perhaps defense would be more fully represetned if it was taught more.

[@arminnurkovic8345]

@@zazenforever4940 for real man thats what I was thinking the whole time! "How to beat long pimples" and "How to beat Defenders" Videos everywhere! But no "How to beat Attackers as a Defender"!

[@zazenforever4940]

Arim, you are so right. Its sickening how bias the table tennis world is.

[@DSW2099]

Here for the accent.

[@pingsunday]

haha :D is it too bad?

[@pingsunday]

I will try to speak better :D

[@DesertStarr]

I think he appreciates the accent. Your fine.

[@The_Paddle_Smith]

Forced is pronounced "Forsed". It is a soft C for this word.

[@pingsunday]

Thank you kong

[@inquistive]

EmRatThich near the beginning of the video you mentioned that a good tactic is to push - topspin - push - topspin and then later you say to topspin, topspin, topspin. This is confusing, so which is the best tactic?

[@arminnurkovic8345]

Topspin push topspin: against Defender Topspin Topspin: long pimple/Antispin blocker

[@inquistive]

@@arminnurkovic8345 And what about when they attack?

[@abt1580]

Hey EmratThich love your vids, ive been using high tension rubber for a while now but recently used by friends premade bat equipped with the chinese rubber (not first time but last time i wasnt as good of a player) and it was a hurricane 8. After adjusting my technique after a 15 minutes I found that it is a lot better in my forehand and there is no point where the speed stops increasing so better technique = faster and more spin. European players (as well as i at the beggining of my carreer) tend to fall in the trap of speed with no technique. I think it is better for my forehand development and will help me reach levels way higher if I practice with it. So which chinese rubbers do you reccomend for me, Should I buy the one I used (hurricane 8) or do you have a reccomendation. Thank you.

[@santiagoecheverri4017]

I really recommend his post on equipment pingsunday.com/choose-best-equipment/

[@_thyagarajangnanasekaran3127]

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[@ruelgrubio]

Very much appreciated Coach! Thank you :)

[@nurhadiwibowo3978]

Is that same tactic against short pips?

[@re5valwind]

I just encountered a long pip player who drops shot to the right and left corner near the net and low - I can't flick with backhand neither forehand. And when I stretched forward to take the ball, usually a weak return. He will push long. And it will hard for me to return that ball properly. He will drop shot near the net again. He was controlling me by the palm of his hand. Playing this monkey trick again and again. I've tried to serve simple long and fast, only occasionally I managed to smash him 1 or 2 balls. Any suggestions on how to tackle this skillful and well-placed playing style? I really enjoyed your videos

[@badass6656]

Could try serving long between back hand and forehand. This should stop him playing a controlled shot short. If this does not work vary the length and position of the serve to prevent the controlled short returns. If you need to serve short to keep him honest be aware you will lose most of these points so 1 serve in 5 short. Next you could serve to the normal side long if he is not a strong looper. I am guessing he will have a strong push both sides. When he pushes long off your push you must topspin. The ball will be float-top spin so you should be able to play a controlled attack even if not totally in position. Find a long pimples player to practice and play against. Try these and maybe other tactics.

[@michaelwiniarski6705]

That is the reason why I leaned twiddling with my LP and inverted :)) If a LP player can twiddle and attack with inverted on the backhand side, most of these advices are unuseful.

[@herikekiri0027]

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[@Shukri2512]

Theory is one thing, playing against one is another thing. I disagree with the coach here. At the world level it is totally a different thing. To beat a chopper with LP, at the world level is no easy task. I am an LP player, that at times topspin an incoming topspin ball with my LP, with my forehand. In theory, this sounded impossible, but I can do it.

[@z0uLess]

But some long pimples players chop with their pimples and create nospin. I think this is hard to deal with. Also, I get confused by my own sidespin, haha!

[@swetakamat3561]

Thanks❤️🏓🏓

[@narendrapathak7244]

thanks coach

[@lholholho]

Please make one against short pips!

[@sircarloss]

Gracias a esos consejos, pude ganar a los picos largos !!!! jejejej

[@Gravi66]

Well I still think long pips should be forbidden or that they should just open up their own league or something. They only exist to destroy your game (waiting for your errors)... I mean what the hell, how can that be fun? I do win against those players by now, at least sometimes, but I will never have any fun against them. On topic: Tip 1 is crucial. As i am an offensive player myself I will also sometimes serve/hit deep in the forehand ("normal" rubber) because I like the fast spinless game, depending of the strength of your opponents forehand. Fast serves with no spin into the long pips work pretty good though. Tip 2: Actually I don't always use top spin, because i mostly get much top spin into it if I do and hit the ball pretty fast; so the ball comes back pretty fast, but with a lot of backspin. And the more you top spin against long pips the more backspin will come back after the next long pip hit. So what I do is just top spin/push, then backspin, then again topspin or push. You only have to take care, that the opponent really plays every of those ball with their long pip, obviously. Actually that is also what the girl in the video is doing most of the time. And I have another important tip which surprising many people don't seem to know: Many long pip players like to serve with their long pip. They do whatever crazy move along with the serve and many people are like "woah, that move, what crazy spin must be in there" and go for a super spinful topspin or a sharp backspin hit and then wonder why the ball goes anywhere but on the other side of the table. The reason is, as mentioned in the video, long pips cannot create spin on their own; so it doesn't matter which move the player does, there is no spin at all in the serve and you can always return them in an offensive way.

[@orlandoescobar5174]

Not true at all. You can attack with LP. Check Ni Xia or Zhou Xintong

[@minplex7132]

Now you only need a vid. About Antitop which almoat nobody uses ;)

[@UttleyPaul]

A few untruths in this video. Long pips cannot generate spin? Not true. Long pips player won the European Championships yesterday (women's singles)

[@midgard9552]

I cant agree that its a mirror, if you simple push the ball you get an empty ball, so there is no mirroring effect. Only if the player plays with illegal frictionless pips its like a mirror. And you forgot to mention that some pips got disruptive effects, like the ball is sinking or have strange curves . But the Rest of the Video is great :)

[@pingsunday]

You are right. I think that frictionless is banned right?

[@midgard9552]

EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach yes its banned but many players use illegal methods to make the pips frictionless

[@richardjochman2411]

Is the story true ?

[@whatevereyewant]

Hey coach, just to help you out on your English: When you say “Win the long pips” it is technically incorrect because you are trying to talk about a player whom uses long pimples. The verb “win” is referring to the object of the sentence which is pips. So to someone it might sound like you are saying you won long pips like you obtained them in a contest because it is not clear you are referring to a person using them. A better way to say this sentence is to use the word “against” so you are making it clear that it is a competition. So you would say “Win against long pips” or “Win against a long pips player” (using “a” in this case to refer to point to the addition of “player”.) Keep making good vids and splitting Ma Long’s head open!

[@pingsunday]

Haha Tyler. You have a sharp eye. My photoshop skill is not good. Poor Ma Long. Thank you. I need to improve my English. Win against the long pips player

[@whatevereyewant]

Haha not to mention they change the layout of the program like every month. You would say “Win against a long pips player”, saying “the” in this case is uneccessary. Your English is really good, the biggest thing I see that you have a hard time with is what they call articles in the English language. These words are a, an, and the. Here’s a really good article that might help you understand what situations to use them owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/

[@laolong2493]

Hi Tyler, sorry, but here is not the platform to correct english grammar. Everyone knows what the coach means. That is the mainpoint. Hope, your english is 100% better. Next, please comment the video and ask questions about when you have some, than to give the teacher here.

[@whatevereyewant]

Rapheal, first of all don’t try to police what I comment. I can talk about whatever I’d like. You are entitled to your opinion, and that’s exactly what it is, so you can keep it to yourself. Secondly, there is no ill intent here and if you go back and look many people have commented trying to help him over the videos, and if I recall it is even something he appreciates or he wouldn’t have taken the time to respond.

[@jeevanchaukar]

Sir, outside England or America, we can't always expect perfect accent or superb correct grammar along with beautiful phrases, sarcasm and so on in English (of course, now due to bad effects of SMS/social media slangs, there is some amount of doubt on English even in the original English speaking countries :-) ) - which is just fine when it comes to sports...I think ERT is sharing knowledge in simple and effective way. I am automatically translating his English into my own English into my own mother tongue :-). I definitely liked ERT's channel and learning lot of tips about TT - some of the things I have already known but some are quite new. In India, predominantly European/Western style of TT is played and hence perspective from Chinese side is mostly missing (we probably just wonder or are simply in awe of Chinese TT players without understanding what different things they do to get where they today are). I am getting different perspective from ERT - so thanks to him for this!

[@nw1259]

Its kind of weird that the very casual playing scene doesn’t even know that there are different types of rubbers like the long pips and no spin rubber for example...

[@Hussainpiplodwala]

There are short pips rubber also..

[@sjahbana4423]

thankyou Sir..

[@pingsunday]

All the best

[@sadbuthappy354]

what's deep ball?

[@pingsunday]

Ball long to the wide corner

[@poloporo]

Hola: no me convence del todo tu teoría, pues las imágenes solo muestran el uso de long pimples (poros largos) solo por estilo clásico, no lapicero (pen holder with long pimples), El estilo lapicero permite descolocar a quien ataca con top spin ubicando la pelota de costado en costado, desubicando al contrincante. Lo que si es cierto es la dificultad para atacar con long pimples, pues la goma de long pimples es muy sensible, pero eso se puede remediar con un buen entrenamiento. QUE VIVAN LOS LONG PIMPLES !!!.

[@rockys7726]

I've always wondered why there are no or very few long pimples in the top levels. Now I know. Now if only I can get to those levels I won't have to play against anymore pimples. lol

[@dalemiller2160]

At the pro level, all long pips players are deep choppers that attack with their forehand.

[@gorodph]

You are talking about long pimples and at 0:20 you show the pic of short pimples? Why?

[@pingsunday]

its just for illustration purpose. sorry for that

[@frenchphilosopher302]

I love you bro !!! I destroy my opponents with the setup you recommanded to me: rakza 7 + bluefire m2 with the timo boll blade...its perfect I won almost all my matches !!! TU very much

[@Superchairs]

Defend tactic and blocking tactic not the same? I just know.. Anyway good video coach

[@takaimaaniangata-henare8620]

Long pimples are pretty much a mirror to what you do

[@met_big_kawaii4999]

*Laughs in J-pen*

[@waterboyd]

is this can be apply to win anti-spin rubber?

[@pingsunday]

Anti have the same characteristics of long pips. Yes, you can apply the same tips.

[@jaymunmun]

I disagree sir. Anti spin rubbers don't reverse the spin IMHO. They produce dead ball returns.

[@sjjapp]

Anti spin does indeed reverse, or rather continue the rotation of the ball as there is not enough grip. We should be saying long pips and anti continue spin, as ball rotation has not changed direction. The spin you receive back is indeed the reverse though as the ball has changed direction. Grippy inverted (smooth) rubber can reverse spin in that you can top spin a top spin. Sounds confusing but it's not. However, a skilled long pip or anti player can achieve success at the highest levels. If you think you can just give long pip and anti players flat balls and expect to destroy them time and again, you're not playing against skilled players. Defensive players tend to use long pips on their backhand not to cover weaknesses or win cheap points. They do it because chopping with long pips is very forgiving and it somewhat balances out the imbalance in equipment today (modern equipment and rules favor attacking players). Also note that some long pips are grippy, meaning the player can apply their own spin.

[@jaymunmun]

Yes it continues the rotation of the ball as you suggest like return of a topspin will be a very slight amount of backspin. But the effect is minimal and one can drive the ball easily. My comment was about practical situations.

[@jaymunmun]

YouAllJackasses You sum up the whole thing very easily. Practically it's a dead ball.

[@hong4033]

Nice barrll.

[@orlandoescobar5174]

You should have shown Zhou Xintong

I'm confused. The young lady in the video clearly countering pips by using the "classic" alternating chop/loop/chop/loop tactic.

[@shensean993]

excuse me. That's medium pimple in the first example.

[@amiteshpanday590]

Thanks emrathic

[@ionsorinporojan149]

Long pips players cant atack ??? False , false , false !!!!!!!!!! I am a long pips defense player , and I atack with the long pips backhand so hard ...You have no ideea !!!

[@mcgfr]

deep = long ???