How to Play With & Against Long Pips & Anti (Full Tutorial)

[@assa1975]

Nice vid, thanks! As an LP user, however, I am a bit surprised how general your approach towards 'funny rubbers' was. One of the first thing they teach for an LP (modern) defender is how to play push-to-push with long pips and how to create backspin in your own shot, which is much more difficult than create a dead ball instead. The difference in the two is the amount of brush by increasing acceleration of the wrist and amplitude of the total swing. And you need soft bendy pips on a soft-ish sponge. But then the magic happens: suddenly there is no spin reversal that is commanded by your opponent, but only spin reversal that you yourself may choose to create or not. Similarly, you control the amount of reversal on your chop, as well as the block. Players like Masato Shiono were experts at this. So I suggest you create a 'Part 2' follow up now :)

[@PechPongTT]

Thank you for the insight! I will be sure to include that in future videos!

[@egghead1969]

MY GOD. I thought I was the only one to realize that you could create topspin/underspin/no spin with LP when your opponent gives you underspin. Don't know it is common knowledge. [sosad][sosad][sosad][sosad]. BTW, besides the two factors (the amount of brush and amplitude of the swing), I find that the angle of the blade makes a difference as well.

[@PechPongTT]

@@egghead1969 a chopper was telling me that to create backspin with Pips on chops you actually use the side of the pimple (hence the need for soft bendy pips) which is where the grip is (side of the pimple rather than the top) he was2600 chopper btw

[@assa1975]

@@egghead1969 Absolutely! The 'brush' term is an umbrella cover - it includes the angle of the blade. If the ball enters the rubber at the wrong (read 'direct') angle, the won't be any brush and won't be any own imparted spin. There is a Japanese class on this topic with Shiono here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYTFgGh_Z8eMgtU Even if you don't speak Japanese (I don't!!) it's quite clear what they are explaining there.

[@egghead1969]

@@PechPongTT True, like LP's chop blocking. It also creates the ball wobbliness because of the pip bending and straightening movements. As @assa1975 mentioned, it is all on the brush and swing. BTW, very great video. thanks. 👍👍

[@astrigal18]

This is THE BEST video on this subject I have ever watched. A steady paced explanation that covers all the points. I am just starting to learn to play using long pips and really appreciate the full spectrum coverage of all the ideas. Thank you. (and thank your dad!)

[@PechPongTT]

Glad to hear it! I’ll let him know as well :)

[@m.alexandrecastro9323]

For anyone watching this video, it is nicely done as it explains the BASICS on how to play with both types of rubbers ! Dead on the spot. I was an inverted player that after a bike accident had to switch to Medium pimples. I became an Anti player and shown how to play with an Anti master ! So ... just to add, all the mistakes usually made by both players have been highlighted ! But this is just the beginning. Two other technically hard strokes to be made by each type of player are: by the anti: - create a flat kill with the anti (not swipe as this is super hard). The flat kill is almost like an BH inverted flip, but needs lots of practice and a soft Anti top sheet. Basically if you have a hard top you are just doing spin reversal, with a soft top you can alternate both. It's like magic and not really known by most Anti players. by the inverted player: - push long&higher than usual "no-spin balls" to the BH of the anti (details on how to execute this shot are not easy to describe but better viewed). Normally older players are not able to pivot to kill and it's very hard from them to judge on much timing they need to go around the ball. These balls are not easy to flat kill because they are dead with no spin!! The result is sometimes a bad push which will give you an attack ball. Overall well done and I know how hard it is to explain all those shots. You have also nailed it on the topic of "using your brain" ... I find it silly when players say that this is not "table tennis" - when it's EXACTLY what it is !!! I find it ironic that in Tennis when someone created a racket which created more spin on the ball which could not be controlled, they made it illegal, hahahaha Kudos to you and your dad to come up with this video ! If your father is interested I can send him a video of how my racket top sheet looks like. BTW I restarted to play with medium pimples as they have created really nice ones these days. Ooops forgot to add... the Starwars clips are PRICELESS !!!!

[@arthsindekar7511]

By far the best video on the internet for pips and anti. The detailed analysis of all kinds of shots is a one that I have never heard from anyone. I am a grass player for almost 10 years now and I am really happy that I got to learn new things about how to play with this rubber. No coach of mine has given me this level of detailed analysis that you have given me. Thank You so much!!

[@PechPongTT]

Glad I could help!

[@liamcannon9617]

I think another problem is more conventional players don't respect it, which leads them to underestimate / take the game less seriously. Great tutorial!

[@PechPongTT]

Good point! I’ve seen really high level players trash the game because they don’t want to accept it

[@axebuzz]

25 minutes of a Pech Pong video is like attending a Masterclass on Table Tennis with some Star Wars cutscenes thrown in :D One of the few channels on KZbin that provides such deep insight on gameplay and strategy. The inclusion of a 'Long Pips' player strategy (Thanks to your Dad) makes this video even more compelling as it always helps to understand the strategic game play of a LP player as in a competition, they are not going to keep on letting you play your push & loops until you win your point.

[@PechPongTT]

Got to add those Star Wars cut scenes ☝️ glad you liked it :)

[@johnfranicevich8325]

Thanks for this video. I started using long pips and anti 35 years ago, after my first of 2 hip replacements when I was 40 years old. Going to the "Dark Side" allowed me to keep playing after I lost a lot of my mobility.

[@PechPongTT]

Good to hear you have been able to find enjoyment out of the game even after 2 hip replacements!

[@apflor323]

Great video as always. These are solid tips and I'm hoping I can apply them next time I play a pips or an anti player. When I first started playing against them, I hated it because I didn't understand the ball. Nowadays, I've grown to love playing against them because it disciplines my mind to actually watch the ball and the spin on it and not to just instinctually swing at it. And playing against them has actually improved my game against inverted players to when it comes to reading spin on serves.😊

[@PechPongTT]

That’s the spirit! I like playing them to because of the exact reasons you mentioned being able to change my patterns on the fly makes me a better player :)

[@leonawroth2516]

Awesome video, I have to commend the quality you put into these! The editing is top notch and your work is noticed. For me the biggest learning was, when I had the chance to play against anti/pimples for a longer time in a couple training sessions. In beginner/amateur level table tennis, their biggest advantage is the rarity. You played for a couple of years against inverted rubber and learned the spin, suddenly everything you learned is different, if not the complete opposite. That's very frustrating and hard to think yourself out of. So getting real life experience against this style of rubber is fundamental. The experience combined with your tips and explanations here, should get anyone ready for the next game. It can actually become fun, to play against them. As an attacker, is kinda playing cat and mouse. You wait for your trap to catch them and then you finish it.

[@PechPongTT]

Well said! I agree very hard to base it all on theory until you play against it multiple times it’s very difficult to perform well.

[@bobleming5673]

Great video. The lack of really good quality anti/long pip training vids on KZbin coming out of The USA is certainly lacking to say the least. Perhaps it’s time (hint hint) for your dad to start putting up some content. Long Pip players are starving for content. The two of you could even team up. Just imagine the videos from the two opposing perspectives. It’s pure gold I tell ya. You’re welcome. 😊

[@GianpaoloLaPaglia]

Wow, this is a masterclass to study and take lots of notes from! Thank you for the fantastic job 👏

[@nothluk]

how many pips could a long pip pip if a short pip could long pip

[@PechPongTT]

😂😂

[@PeakPerformanceTableTennis]

Great video, Seth! I use pips myself so I'm not sure I like you giving away all my secrets!! Please, folks, keep serving short sidespin to my backhand!! Don't listen to Seth....

[@PechPongTT]

Haha 😂 Do It!

[@ShahiedJohaadien]

The Star Wars references sold it for me😆 excellent video! Thanks for the effort

[@zeleony05]

Chinese penhold traditional backhand chop blockers that can loop with LP are very tough to play against. I agree, pips do have a space on tt, it makes it entertaining to see the different variations of playing styles.

[@PechPongTT]

yes I agree very tough to play against! Thanks for the thoughts :)

[@evertonsiqueira5917]

Great video. I am a medium pips player from Brazil and also coach a team here and your video is going to help me and my club members too much. I used to watch your previous video because it's much complete and has a lot of information but this video is in a completely new level. Congratulations!!! Thank you very very much

[@PechPongTT]

Thank you, haha yes I guess everyone’s level will go up if they follow some tactics In here!

[@richardgenet6670]

I appreciate the time planning and work you have put in to make a truly great video on long pips and anti. And thank your Dad too! Watched a few times and made notes, hopefully now I can improve my results against the dark side of TT. 🙂Cheers

[@FemiKolawole]

Good job, blessings to the entire family ❤

[@matthiash.5916]

Thank you so much! Awesome video! Great tips! I‘d like to learn more about LP/Anti tactics. Maybe you can share a video in the future on how to set up a game as LP/Anti and some more detailed stroke techniques from your dad.

[@orlandoescobar5174]

Great information, Seth. Zhou Xintong uses LP beautifully. She retired from the Chinese team in 2018, I believe. She uses LP (Dawei 388d1 .05 sponge) like an inverted. I play cpen with inverted on FH and LP on BH (twiddle). Backspin is what I like to receive because you can punch it pretty hard with LP. What I hate to receive is fast, no spin serves. If I am not aware and absorb some of the power, the ball will fly off the table or to the net. I use LP because I'm way slower and older today.

[@PechPongTT]

Good information thanks! Yes im glad you can still find enjoyment in the game by using LP

[@mindawareness]

you are the dark side..

[@parcm]

Finally! A clear explanation for both inverted players and LP players. As an LP player, I'll take your last quote to explain to my opponent when they growl again..."You have to think a lot". 😉 Thanks!

[@farazkasmani]

Hi Seth! Great video. As a LP player I approve this message 😂 One thing I will add is that as a LP player I love to get into longer rallies with my opponent. Reason is because unless they are solid consistent player, it increases their probability to make more errors. But great pointers. Thanks

[@PechPongTT]

Thanks, I’m glad you approve! Good thought there I would agree longer rallies can favor LP players.

[@stefanhansen5882]

Absolutely incredible presentation! I'm new to the game and want to play this style. This was super valuable for me. Thanks!

[@floorcash]

This is a helpful video. Patience and thoughtfulness rarely fail

[@PechPongTT]

This is correct!

[@MagnusEffectTT]

Guys, don't listen to Seth, we pimples player hate when you serve short to the middle. And please, no spinny sidespin serves to the pimples :) Joking aside this video had some great tips and many common mistakes offensive players make that we take advantage of. Another tip if you are often looping out on anti or pimples pushes is to just wait longer before starting the stroke, this helps you adjust to the ball. Great video and selection of match clips!

[@PechPongTT]

Hahaha. Thanks for the additional tips!

[@THESUPERRONALD]

This video was amazing, agree with all the messages here. Also extra note, this was your funniest videos for me, loved all the Star Wars meme clips! :)

[@jeffvango6754]

Fantastic video! And good job on all the great clips you chose to demonstrate the techniques and game situations. It's good to see players of the highest caliber showcased in these scenarios and it couldn't have been easy to find all these, so kudos to you! I think it would be great if you expanded the video (or I guess part 2) to include long pip choppers.

[@PechPongTT]

Thanks yes it did take a while to find all the clips! And that’s a good thought I would like to make a video with a chopper somtime

[@adrieldsouza]

I am a LP player and this 13:21 is exactly what I think when I get side spin balls ... Lol star wars clips were epic and hilarious 😆

[@PechPongTT]

Glad you liked the video!

[@dollydimp8507]

Hi great video I have played with LP on back hand SP on forehand for over 15 years and still to this day when my opponent knocks up with me and they find out what Iam playing with their head goes and I win 😮😂👍

[@timstopfer7485]

This is awesome stuff. Could you make a video on how to properly read the opponents serve or on how to train it.

[@PechPongTT]

Thanks, that’s a good idea for a video, a topic I’m learning constantly as well. I will think about the presentation of it

[@Fromtheruckus]

Thank you so much for this! I get so mad playing my friend who uses what I call a "playschool" paddle. It's literally a plastic paddle from walmart. I'm a much better player, but I get so apprehensive playing him because I can't predict anything. As an aggressive player, it really sucks to take safe shot after safe shot and just waiting for him to make a mistake. Looking forward to using these tips to find some consistency and a way to control the game again.

[@timsweeney8448]

This is your best content yet, great job! ...i still hate playing against LP/Anti though haha

[@PechPongTT]

Haha me to 😂

[@feszoj]

Thanks a lot! Although is a lot information, I will need to review it several times, because I am thinking to change to long pips. Greetings from Perú.

[@marcomurru3778]

amazing video! I was looking for such a clear video about long pips and anti-spin for a few weeks, thank you very much

[@PechPongTT]

Glad I made the video when I did then :) best of luck

[@blast42]

Great video !! Could you comment quickly on how medium pips differs from long pips ?

[@PechPongTT]

Hey sure so there will be less spin reversal and the player can attack more with then. When they do attack with them it comes very dead

[@vivekpadmanabhan9599]

I was making notes all along, Tks man,

[@antoinepex]

Hello, I love so much your videos, it's so usefull for a young player like me who need experience and need to understand before to practice A big thanks from France 😊

[@PechPongTT]

Glad to hear my videos help! Keep up the good work 💪

[@DuQ3r]

Thank you! As usual a very useful high quality video.

[@PechPongTT]

Thanks

[@Fabian-mz6ts]

Well done Seth, this a well thought-out video, I like your train of thought.

[@wellbeingsupport]

Your explanation is for Anti and Long pips OX (without sponge) if you put a sponge on the Long pips it's a different story (especially ticker sponge 1mm or more). Thanks.

[@PechPongTT]

Your correct, thanks for the comment

[@taffoasongwed3099]

I didn’t know you could use anti without sponge, as far as long pips, I heard that playing it with a soft 2,0mm sponge is a different experience…🏓?

[@zivking123]

Can anyone explain the difference?

[@juliusfursch8067]

Hi. All your videos are just great and this video is even greater. It covers all we need to know and is explained in such a nice and understandable way. Great work, go on, thank you so much. Your videos lift up my game

[@asrevilla1]

Great video indeed, thank you! I am not trying to use LP but starting to do it (lol) since a few months ago. All your tips here will definitely help.

[@PechPongTT]

Glad you liked it! All the best!

[@zivking123]

Thanks for the great vid ! Watching it is very helpful but now I feel the need to complete my understanding with how short pips behave. Also in a league match I'm never sure if my opponent is using short or long pips (but even if they tell me I'm not 100% sure on the difference)

[@PechPongTT]

There should be a how to play short pimples in the future!

[@wellbeingsupport]

Soort pips are the same as inverted only they cant create lots of spin (imagine you are playing someone with old rubber, not so much spin).

[@wencysinosa8538]

Thank you very much for answering my inquiries before on how to play with pips!!! I really appreciate it!!! You hit awesome tips!!! I will work on your advice!!! Thanks for all your awesome advice!!! God Bless!!!

[@PechPongTT]

Happy to help! Best of luck

[@aldopalacios3357]

Thank you for this so useful video. I wonder if spent rubbers are considered to be anti. I suppose so. Or anti rubbers are different? Thanks!!

[@mauricetate3571]

You are always learning, even though i coach. Thanks.

[@amjadelbayaydah410]

You are amazing, thank you a lot, you have answered tens of questions that I have excellently and smoothly.

[@PechPongTT]

Good to hear! And I’m glad to help :)

[@DragonWarrior976]

Awesome Seth. Amazing depth and great insights. May be if you think of a follow up then you can talk about two different anti playing styles. One which sticks close to the table and sends the ball fast and low. Ex: Manika batra and the second style would be more classical defense chopper style. How to strategize against these styles. Also, (sorry i am being greedy) what do I get back if long pips side swipes the ball? So essentially the question would be how to attack a skidding long deep push vs a heavy backspin one.

[@CFSUnravelled1]

Great video as always Seth - I always think about those star wars references when playing against long pips so it was hilarious to see you use them in this video. 😂 Dan

[@PechPongTT]

Thank you! Haha yeah i thought it was a great opportunity to include them, glad I wasn’t the only one

[@CFSUnravelled1]

@@PechPongTT Everyone at my club always complains about these rubbers, saying these players should be outlawed! Don't get me wrong, I had my moments early on and certainly don't play great against these, but I agree with you that it's a great way to broaden the complexity of the sport. Sure, it can be frustrating, but if we had more players with these rubbers we would all be more used to it. We have have one player that attacks with long-pips - full topspin loop against underpin - devastating and amazing shot!

[@mitachok1]

Thank you so much! Great tips and the demonstration. Keep doing your channel!

[@PechPongTT]

Thanks I will!

[@francodejj]

Playing against Pips/Anti is like a game of chess being played with a ball & 2 rackets 😊

[@PechPongTT]

I agree! Lots of strategy happening!

[@wildwood3031]

thank you for your work, full of useful infomation and enjoyed your use of start wars clips to make it entertaining as well. Great job.

[@PechPongTT]

Thank you! I thought it would be fun to add them :)

[@wildwood3031]

@@PechPongTT It definitely improved the entertainment quality

[@rs6985]

Excellent Video! Thank You Seth!

[@PaulZorro]

I really like you mahn, you help me understand the words, then discern... thankyou sir

[@davidcristi8835]

Nice content!! Thanks a lot for the robot video that I also requested. I was busy with my university and just realized you did that video!! Thanks man! 👌👌👌👌👊👊👊

[@PechPongTT]

Glad to hear you liked both of them! More to come

[@DQ2121]

This is awesome. Great insights!

[@nguyenanhquynh7322]

your content is alway amazing Pech

[@matty369]

Great vid as always. Star wars clips excellent 😂

[@PechPongTT]

Glad you liked them ;)

[@CurtisWattsDrums]

Great Info. thanks!

[@PechPongTT]

Glad you liked it!

[@bradtafiti6981]

nice ideas, very useful video. Thanks bro

[@movakalin5333]

Thanks a lot! Very good tips.

[@ruelgrubio]

Great video! Thank you.

[@drupepong]

Good one! The scene on 7:35 really fit well :p

[@PechPongTT]

Haha thanks! Glad you liked it

[@NeilVargantwar]

This is one of the best explanations for an anti player Thanks for the tips it really helped me play the match🎉 #Hats off to pechpong tt

[@PechPongTT]

Glad to help! 🙌💪

[@dzozepe]

hello, great video (as always), I liked the star wars addition, is there a video on how to play with short/medium pips ?

[@PechPongTT]

Not yet but maybe we can get one in the foreseeable future!

[@tampabaytabletennis]

A lot of great info here. Thank you!

[@niklaskras5498]

Haha that third star wars scene was perfect, so accurate :D haha and the 5th :D the biggest problem for me is not that i dont know how i have to play but rather the muscle memorie i have to surpress and overcome. The sport is so fast that i often cant handle to calculate the spin properly and then correctly adapt my kinetic chain in time. Its also the footwork with changes in pace and so on. And a lot of my strengh comes from very good, spinny and creative serves but most of them are useless against anti/SP player which at the same time make the game boring for me.

[@PechPongTT]

Yes I agree 100% you have to change all your patters that you normally use which are subconscious and then have to be made conscious.

[@axieax]

Thanks for the informative video! How do long pips / anti differ from short pips?

[@PechPongTT]

Long pimples have less spin, and react to spin less, short pimples are closer to regular rubber but again do not react to spin as much as regular rubber. I should make a video about short pimples

[@blueheart9873]

Short pips are closer to inverted rubbers. They also make spin but just a little. The ball tends to be flat and usually very fast

[@axieax]

@@PechPongTT thanks for your response! Would love to see a video on strategies against short pips as well :))

[@Bork0r]

Awesome video!

[@rajahua6268]

Best tt video on long pips and anti. The best advice is being PATIENCE, playing against pips and anti tends to drive one crazy, it should be banned for health reasons.

[@giangluong3385]

Awesome video! Hopefully we get to see some great games of you in german league 23/24 cheers

[@PechPongTT]

Yes you will! I’m planning on posting the matches 😁

[@pingpongstev]

Thanks for sharing, it really helps

[@silaispokoj9641]

Great, thank you.

[@mart3293]

The anti & long pips community is calling for an emergency meeting rn 😂

[@PechPongTT]

HAHAHA Good one! I didn't know you guys all were a community/Club of sorts very coordinated!

[@prescillageorge6916]

Thank you so much

[@p.b.3606]

A great video, please take it offline 😛 a pips player 😛. No just kidding, loved it, good understanding of playing with pips/anti and against them. I always love the rallies with players who just start using more and more spin (top and side). Some of them still don't know or cannot handle what they get back... and most of them then avoid the bh, but my fh is my real power. I my experience some of the best and long rallies are between long pips and very offensive topspin players. By the way, did you know that in the history of tabletennis, first there were no rubbers and then became the short pips.... later on inverted rubbers were invented... so for all pip haters.... pips were first!

[@PechPongTT]

Yeah the evolution of table tennis is pretty cool many great stories and key moments that changed the sport . Thanks for watching :)

[@tz1431]

Great video, thanks! 👍

[@PechPongTT]

Thank you!

[@XYoukaiX]

Yeah I hated playing against pips and Anti for a long time even though I did play Anti for about 4 years myself ^^V Nowadays I am kinda happy as "most" people especially in the lover classes only use either of it because they need something to cover for their bad technique on their (mostly) backhand. That loop and push changing back and forth is probably the easiest way but for a while now I usually don't stop attacking with topspin at all .... usually the ball looses enough spin so that you can attack again if you actually do a "high" topspin and not the super flat fast ones. My main Problem is if someone either by accident or because he knows what he is doing, switches between "spin reversal" and "removing spin"

[@Afropalmen]

hahaha freaking love the Starwars Refrence Anti/Longpimps as the DARKSIDE of the force xD Best tip I've gotten is. THINK OF HAPPY GILMORE!! Just tap it in xD Most Longpimps don't do something themself. Just take it slow and hit the table and w8 for the right ball to KILL

[@PechPongTT]

Haha yeah I thought it would be a fun way to present the topic!

[@Twiddle_TV]

Great video Seth!! I find anti particularly difficult against the Seemiller style where the opponent primarily blocks with regular rubber then randomly (or maybe strategically?) throws in one or two anti shots. It's so disruptive and easy to mess up, but I have some better ideas on how to handle those shots! Thanks for all your hard work man!

[@PechPongTT]

Yeah that is a tough style to play against! Thank you very much for your support it’s greatly appreciated :)

[@TimeForGamers]

Great video, thanks!

[@robertoishikaea8878]

Still making good videos and topics. Generally we hate tô play against pips. But this video helps a lot. Congrats, Seth.

[@RickTol]

Awesome vid mate

[@yongkiviannaldo3348]

Very detail👍👍👍

[@powerofdefencexd7872]

ty, that ad wasnt annoying :)

[@PechPongTT]

Did the ads play right before the Star Wars scenes?

[@saishvi1]

Good video, nice tips. Starwars fan like me?

[@PechPongTT]

Glad you liked it, Star Wars is the best 🙌

[@georgetaplin3260]

It would help on the videos if the anti or longpips player is always the same color uniform. Many times I was not sure who had what and especially if they have spinny one side and anti the other.

[@moshejcs]

i'm quite used to play against older people with processed long pips (really big long pips), i guess just dont do sidespin serve or shot, cause when it hits long pips and return to us, it'll be hard to read the spin 😅

[@handlebargg]

Hey Pech! I see you have a straight handle (Not FL) can you please go into the details why you are using such, cuz myself as a 99kg 184cm player, with big hands, I bought heavy FL setup and it feels very uncomfortable to me due to weight and a grip. Thank you so much!

[@noah7477]

Doesn't get nerdier than Star Wars and table tennis together.

[@PechPongTT]

It’s like that power combo! Haha

[@SuperGriffin65]

Great video, because of this I already beat this season long pips player and anti player that I would have probably lost to otherwise. But I have question, can you make something similar for short pips? I play this offensive guy in our club and it's always I hit one good shot and the next one goes to the net. It confuses me that he made same movement and I have to play something different.

[@PechPongTT]

Yeah I can make one eventually :) I have to come up with a comprehensive list of ideas though. I also have trouble with short pips 🙈

[@AmrDaoud-i8p]

I like your videos very much and I learn a lot watching them. However, wouldn’t it have been more beneficial if you could kindly introduce each style separately. I got a little confused!

[@drgaurav75]

Can you make a video on how to play against short pips

[@АндрейБ-к9е]

First video about long pips where is the truth. I think because the author has the experience of playing with his Dad. I play long pips OX and I definitely agree with all facts and recomandation. Tnx!

[@PechPongTT]

Glad we find common ground :)

[@mkvaj]

Can you also do one on short pip?

[@youjohnny16]

Excellent

[@rolandoelizondo3575]

Excellent video but it hurt my head trying to listen to all the ideas lol tnks!!

[@alexgfalex2898]

Thanks

[@jpsuegay379]

Hello. Great video. What blade and rubbers do you usually use? Thanks

[@PechPongTT]

I use Tibhar VS unlimited an older one more broken in and Tibhar K3 max sponge

[@jpsuegay379]

@@PechPongTT thanks

[@raymondng5225]

waiting your video of short pips

[@suhai3399]

How should I know if my opponent is using anti rubber?