How U.S. Air Cavalry Evolved in 60 Years

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[@farrazaulia2917]

Great video man

[@recoil53]

Thank-you for this video. I had asked a couple times specifically for this. Most of what I could find on the internet only covered the Viet Nam days and not changes made.

[@gallendugall8913]

I worked with some air cav guys during Haiti, yes, I know no one remembers Haiti. They refused to explain to me how they trained the horses to fly a helicopter.

[@justachipn3039]

🤣🤣

[@ericdeer5887]

Apples

[@leef8433]

My dad worked with a guy who went to Haiti as a Seabee

[@uku4171]

@@ericdeer5887 The first thing they teach you in air cavalry - "The horses love your SAC". Sugar, apples, carrots.

[@ericdeer5887]

@@uku4171 we leaned that the Warrant Officer pilots could be trained with cigarettes and coffee.

[@FirstDagger]

I really love those new isometric graphics, really puts the size of the Apache into scale.

[@1masonhenry]

It’s a 20,000lb turd

[@tommy_boy2472]

Alot smaller in person than you'd think

[@MrSharkmissle]

They’re about 58’ long and around 17-20000 lbs fully loaded. Also they are super finicky and maintenance heavy.

[@geodkyt]

The Vietnam era1st Cav "Air Cav" was really an "Aerodragoon" formation. But most folks don't understand the critical differences between "Cavalry" and "Dragoons" or "Mounted Infantry". Heck, an IFV platoon, fighting mounted, is closer to Cavalry than the Vietnam era air mobile. 1st Cav basically fought as airborne infantry, only with "two way" parachutes in the form of the helicopters. The post-2015 Air Cav formation actually does "Cavalry stuff", as opposed to "Dragoon stuff".

[@recoil53]

The original Dragoons, back in the day of horses, were supposed to be infantry that got around by horse. But calvary was more glamorous than infantry and horses associated with nobility and so they became a light calvary.

[@Lancasterlaw1175]

@@recoil53 Well also in peacetime regular dragoons got very good at riding horses, so it was a shame to waste those hardwon skills as infantry. Training horsemastership and battlefield horse riding took years, are you going to provide some amateurs horses to be cavalry over long service professionals?

[@recoil53]

@@Lancasterlaw1175 Only infantry defends and holds ground. That's the value of horse mounted infantry, to quickly seize ground and hold it until reinforcements arrive. It's like paratroopers on a tactical level before airplanes. And all that was lost.

[@Lancasterlaw1175]

@@recoil53 Problem is, scouting and mobile shock were really hard to train for and is often in very short supply, particually after long periods of peace, so in the case of a sudden war dragoons often found themselves pressed into those roles. The only place where you see mounted infantry persisting is areas with a massive middle class equestrian culture, who cannot afford full size millitary horses. Of course after a long period of war it is a different ketttle of fish

[@hedgehog3180]

Arguably they're more like horse archers (I mean longbow is literally in the name), which would make modern highly survivable attack helicopters like the Apache akin to an Eastern Roman Cataphract. Nikephoros Phokas would be proud.

[@jamesscott2894]

Fascinating! Would def love to see more Army Aviation, I know they've reorganized the UH-60 and CH-47 a fair bit recently (like how do the fancy EH-60 and HH-60 fit in nowadays? What about the UH-72 Lakota?) Looking forward to the next video, the graphics and production have been stellar lately!

[@JS-gg3kh]

Lakotas are just trainers and state side light SAR / light utility.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

I'm more interested in how the Valor is going to shake things up. You have an amazing aircraft that can out run and out range basically all your legacy aircraft. So does that mean there are going to be missions without others? I haven't even seen a concept of what an attack version will look like. I am told will happen eventually unless they decide to make an entirely new aircraft. Hope it goes the Cobra route though! Gut the interior and load it with turrets. Basically a slimmer version with the standard attack helicopter set up.

[@Bilbs654]

There are no more EH-60s

[@Pilotmario]

@@dianapennepacker6854I think that’s what the attack version of the Valor would be. Basically a tilt rotor MH-60 DAP.

[@1cavscout160]

I was an AO (left seat) in an OH-58 in the 1st Cav in ODS. We flew with Cobras performing reconnaissance and calling targets for the Cobras to shoot. Great video!

[@196cupcake]

Vietnam era "pink" teams were basically "hunter/killer" teams, right? I remember a History Channel documentary in the '09's on the Vietnam war, and they talked about how the cobra would stay high and they would send the scout helicopter to go low, trying to draw fire, and then the cobra would attack after the enemy had given away their position.

[@BattleOrder]

Yes

[@samuelhowie4543]

They also used a heavy team with 2 gunships up high in areas they knew were "hot".

[@flyoptimum]

Air Cavalry pilot here. Just a minor correction on combat leadership roles within a troop. The troop commander and platoon leaders are administratively in charge of the troop and their respective platoons. They're involved in managing maintenence, health and welfare of troops and pilots, accountability of property, mission planning, and generally ensuring the troop remains a properly resourced and well-managed organization. They are generally not, however, combat leaders when the aircraft are in the air. The platoon leaders are amongst the most junior pilots in the troop. Most of them do not make Pilot in Command (PC), who is the senior pilot within a crew responsible for the safe operation of the aircraft, until right before we lose them to take on a staff position. Increasingly, though not by design, troop commanders come back from the career course having not yet made PC, and they themselves are junior pilots within their own aircraft. Even with the commanders that have made PC, they are typically junior PCs and will not make Air Mission Commander (AMC), the pilot responsible for the safe and effective employment of all aircraft within a flight, until later in their command tenure. So with all of that said, warrant officers make up vast majority of the PCs within a troop. The senior warrants, a few W3s and sometimes a W4, are the majority, and certainly the most experienced, AMCs availible to the troop. They will be the ones tasked with leading the aircraft in the fight. None of this is a criticism of the professionalism and skill of the regular officers, as they are very often impressive individuals. Flying and leading aircraft in combat is simply a very particular skill-set that takes a long time to master, and they are at a significant disadvantage compared to the warrants. This is because the warrant officers have uninterrupted time with the aircraft to grow their skill-set, and the regular officers will be pulled away frequently to take up staff positions and other assignments to broaden their experience so they may more effectively run aviation organizations at more senior levels of command.

[@silasbland4515]

As an Air Cavalry pilot with 26 years in the U.S. Cavalry; I must say that you made an amazingly detailed and accurate summary of the leadership roles in the Air Cavalry.

[@edgaraquino2324]

Yes...excellent....

[@plantbased-c6g]

“Just a minor correction” proceeds to drop a four paragraph essay😂

[@jakadajj]

As a current air cav LT, this is true. I wouldn't change it for anything though.

[@ejn1011]

As a current LTC who spent my LT days as a 58D driver and an Air Cav PL, this video is such a breath of fresh air. The use of doctrine and operational terms and graphics...chef's kiss! I even saw one of my helicopter (Tail 975) and my unit (2/6 CAV) in this video! The nostalgia is real! Thanks for putting in the work to get this right.

[@johnlaboone6063]

C TRP 4/7 AIR CAV,1984,recon/blues plt.First duty station at Camp Stanley & the Blackhawks arrived the next day.

[@Makem12]

You may think me silly, but I honestly clicked on this video hoping to see horses with parachutes

[@richwalter3107]

How about cows with guns backed by chickens in choppers ???

[@Gator-357]

My dad and uncle were Air Cav/ Air Mobile repectively. Dad flew C model Hueys and uncle Charlie got transported by the slicks. I was armored Cav support with the 96th TC/ 533rd CSSB /1st Cavalry Div. during Desert Storm, followed the armor across the desert with fuel trucks because they outran the supply lines.

[@RandoPyro]

I was in 3ID's Apache battalion during the transition period. Interestingly enough our Kiowa unit didn't adopt Apaches, they straight up disbanded. And then shortly after they cased their colors, we were reflagged with their old unit name and lineage. I believe an Apache unit in Europe was given our old Aviation unit name and lineage, but I'm not sure if that was a new battalion or another reflag.

[@BattleOrder]

Yeah I kept it with a simple explanation of the transition because there was a lot of attack helicopter bns reflagging as Cav, other battalions disbanding and being replaced by other reflagged units or completely new ones, etc. Got a little bit confusing in the original draft

[@THEBOSS-xi2oj]

That happened to my unit. 2-17 CAV, 101 ABN. I cried like a little girl when they got rid of the Kiowas.

[@MrSharkmissle]

If you’re talking about 3-17 and 1-3, It was a reflag.

[@shorttimer874]

In 1971 I was in D Troop, the ground troop, of 8/1 Air Cav Squadron, part of the 194th Armored Brigade at Ft Knox. We had 8 jeeps per platoon with pintle mounted M-60s, the only time I remember the lowest ranking man on the vehicle had the main weapon, and boy it could get cold winter time standing up above the windshield, another jeep for a 106 recoilless rifle, and a 5/4 truck with a 82mm mortar plus the platoon Sgt. I would guess there was another jeep for the platoon leader but really do not remember. Most of the time we supported the officer`s Armor School, supplying bodies for runners and such, using the mortars for artillery practice, and jumping out of the squadron`s Hueys to demonstrate insertions. That winter we convoyed over to the area surrounding Ft Bragg for an exercise with the graduating Green Beret class. Damn cold, the only time our troop had contact was in a pre-arraigned ambush, but I understand the choppers had a lot of fun following the trails in the snow.

[@1337flite]

If you ain't cav- you ain't. Cav - real cav (ground or air) i.e. units designed for recon, screening, covering force and the like - are my favourite units, being combined arms teams with all arms organic. I really liked the organisation of 70s and 80s cav squadrons with blue teams and ground troops. The ultimate in combined arms. Thanks for another great video - I love your work. When I was a 15 year old army cardet (junioer ROTC??) I used to spend my spare time researching and dreaming up unit TOEs. This is a topic that has been near and dear to me for a long time (pre Internet).

[@ga3521]

That always fascinated me. A 2LT in a cav platoon for much of the cold war era would have had at least a pair of tanks, a mech infantry squad, several jeeps with scouts and a mortar section under his command. Other branches wouldn't get that kind of experience until company command several years later.

[@ktiger1766]

Armor Cav is the combined the tanks, troops armor fighting vehicle, mortar tracks together plus squadron artillery & a tanks company support and have a engineer company too, with the air cav chopper scouting at the front plus have a regimental supply and support maintenance units is the combined multiple arms troop's, smaller size than any combat brigade!

[@armynurseboy]

​@@ktiger1766yup. An armored cav squadron is essentially a mini armored brigade. An ACR was essentially a mini armored division.

[@roboanalogtom]

I was in the mortar section of A troop 1/7 air cav (reconnaissance), 1 cav div in 1988. The other troops were choppers. A troop was 19 deltas with the M3 but everyone was often 19 delta dismount (I did more FTX time like at the NTC as 19D rather than 11C). The helicopter rides were a lot of fun!

[@higgs923]

It might be fun for you to touch on the history of the USMC's vertical envelopment initiatives.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

This channel is insanely good; great production, all content. No idea how it doesn't have more subs.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

WE'RE SO BACK. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

[@taun856]

I served in the 6th ACCB (Air Combat Cav Bde) at Ft Hood in the mid 1970's. It was an experimental unit at the time, used to develop Tactics and Doctrine. Though I was in the Signal Troop and spent most of my time there out in the field working from a RATT rig (Radio Teletype). That was one reason I loved being in Signal Corps you could be assigned to literally any type of unit, anywhere in the world.

[@patrickbec68]

Correct and it continued experimenting with new tactics and doctrine after it received its first Apache squadron in 1986.

[@spudnikflyover1227]

Technically speaking, the air assault elements were closer to dragoons than to actual cavalry.

[@2d_AIRBORNE_Brigade]

Like real Dragoons from the 18th & 19th Century. How dissimilar are they from Uhlans, Hussars, Cuirassier, Conquistador, Arquebusier or Schwartz Reiter?

[@hedgehog3180]

Actually they were cataphracts.

[@2d_AIRBORNE_Brigade]

@@hedgehog3180 their weaponry was quite pussy.

[@Blank27]

As someone who spent 4.5yrs in a Kiowa unit with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I can share some insight into one of the units you mentioned. 1-10 from the 10th Mountain Division was originally designated as (iirc) 3-3 from 3 ID and had relocated and switched places with 3-17 Cav (my unit) which was originally based in Ft Drum. In a 3CAB's deployment to Afghanistan in 2009/10, the Battalion/Squadron level units were all broken down into task forces which consisted of a company/troop of OH-58, AH-64, UH-60, and CH-47 along w/ HQ, maintenance, and supply Co/Troop

[@Balrog2005]

Oh yes, this channel is the best ! Thanks for all the good work.

[@DevonLv]

It’d be cool to see a comparison between USMC Light Armored Reconnaissance and US Army Armored Cavalry

[@ktiger1766]

The Marines LAV is light & fast for recon, but the Army ACR is heavy & more fire power with tanks and cfv

[@ktiger1766]

Marines is no match to the Army recon level because without tanks 😮😅

[@armynurseboy]

Army armored cav did recon by fire. Essentially moving forward until you ran into the enemy and got into a meeting engagement. ACRs were designed to be able to hold their own in a stand-up fight until they could turn the fight over to the follow-on elements (usually an Armored Division).

[@armynurseboy]

​@@ktiger1766yup. Army ACRs were designed to find the enemy, pick a fight, pin them in place, then turn the fight over to a bigger element to finish them off.

[@CrowDawg11]

@@ktiger1766 Marine LAR is not designed to go toe-to-toe with a full-scale, heavy armored formation like army ACR. LAR is just that - recon. LAR is much closer to the traditional definition and role of 'cavalry' - reconnaissance, screening, raiding, and harassment - than army ACR formations, which are essentially just armored units that the army has decided to label as 'cavalry'. Of course the ACR is much more capable in a stand-up fight - LAR is not meant to be getting into a stand-up fight with a heavy unit like that.

[@nemo7840]

Actually dope video, i can't find much vids on this topic

[@Paddman]

i literally was wishing for a video about this from you yesterday... thank you so much

[@sapprdaddy]

Thank you for your hard work doing the research for this presentation.

[@shawlacy634]

Great video - full of information as usual! But my pet peeve is the pronunciation of "cavalry" as "calvary". It took me a while to listen past my pet peeve. 😅

[@kiligan713]

The fact it would sometimes change in the same sentence drove me up the wall. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.

[@dfsafsadfsadf]

It's maddening! Seriously distracting.

[@eddietat95]

He keeps pronouncing it "ka-vel-ler-ree" instead of "ka-vul-ree" most of the time. It reminds me of "noo-klee-er" vs. "noo-kee-lur" of which one is clearly wrong in any part of the world.

[@lzcontrol]

It's an all-Baptist mounted unit.

[@Drtydeeds]

He’s not even saying that. He’s saying cav-la-ree. I can’t do it. Lol

[@dw7094]

I used to be Aero-Riflemen 11D, in a Aero-Rifle Squad. When all was said and done 11D was turned over to 19D Armor Branch and the Aero-Riflemen squads were eliminated. All of us 11D's were reclassified as mechanics and truck drivers. Infantry and Armor were all at full strength.

[@WeebSpecGaming]

Currently in 6-17 cav. very cool to see how our 3x 2-ship setups came into doctrine. Great work!

[@TheLiamster]

I wish the Comanche had entered service so the Army had a dedicated scout helicopter

[@joshfuss777]

Really looking forward to the armored cavalry video. Girlfriend's dad was in 3/11 ACR watching Fulda

[@farrazaulia2917]

Cool video man

[@BasGamer-zu4rl]

Another super interesting video, thanks a lot.

[@Brice0525]

It would be great to see the Armored Cavalry Regiment breakdown. Fascinating multi-role unit with a lot of combat history

[@armynurseboy]

They already did a breakdown.

[@Barundus]

Nicely done. At 15:05, you've got it exactly backwards, though. KW in lead, down low, scouting. Apache in trail, in overwatch, ready to pounce. Just like the pink teams you highlighted from the Vietnam days. Also; the heavy DIVCAV was badass. Scouts Out Forward Garry Owen

[@SeanMurphy1090-d5u]

8:57 - weirdly, when there is no "M" we say "Tee, Oh, and Ee", when the "M" is present we say, "M-Toe". Weird, but true. 10:18 - 1-1 CAV of 1st Armored Division (Germany) still had AH-1s in 1996 when they transitioned to AH-64s (while deployed to Operation Joint Endeavor).

[@BattleOrder]

The Army said put those toes away

[@tylerlawlerDEVGRU]

Cav Patch is the biggest patch the Army has to offer.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

2ID is also a large patch

[@parryyyt8479]

Maybe something about Polish ariborn and air cavalry? We have very little of them but the mix of NATO and our own structure is interesting how every airborne battalion have it's own specialization (6bpd have recon, 18bpd have firefighters, 16bpd have eod and more) Whole equipment and tactics are interesting

[@HKSFMinerva]

8:18 Soundtrack: Thirty Seconds Out · Ramin Djawadi Medal of Honor (EA Games Soundtrack) aka the Apache Attack Mission. Good Taste for the subject matter at hand.

[@AF65WA]

Great evo vid!!

[@anubix9011]

Great video! Just came from 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, FT Cavazos (Hood), Texas. I was in the Air Calvary Squadron 7-17. You mentioned the Squadron as 4-227 it was redesignated around 2015-2016 I think. The number you gave for the Air Cavalry squadron was off though. At least for 7-17 I don’t want to go into detail of the number of apaches for 7-17, but 1st Battalion 227 our heavy attack battalion has 24.

[@archiegeorge3969]

Great video! I especially liked the soundtrack.

[@BattleOrder]

Patreon monies going to Epidemic Sound

[@LEWTSPEC]

Would it be possible to get a second video showing how many logistics crew and vehicles were attached to these units for fuel, ammo, and others?

[@diasulhaqisya954]

helicopter helicopter

[@christophersims7060]

Always love the helicopters! This was just a so informative! Great picture of American Aviation, thank you you've got a new subscriber!

[@justnotg00d]

I like the video. Aerial Scout (19D15F) in OH-58 Helicopter, Combat Aviation Troop, C&C Squadron, 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment 1977-1981 Feucht Army Airfield, Nuremberg Germany. Brings back memories.

[@sanderstensrud7839]

Yet another great video! I was wondering how the channel and your interest in the field came about?

[@robertpeters3896]

I was an ARP at Fort Liberty in 1974 to 1976 we had more Helicopters than any unit in the 82nd Airborne, we had over 100 uh1h Huey, Cobra and scout

[@umami0247]

Was in 7/17 6th air cav at Ft hood till 82. Never learned what happened to the unit they we’re saying it was to be moved to Germany but haven’t heard if that happened. Crewed both the OH-58 and a Huey. Had a great time working on and flying.

[@eralorn.7]

Hi ! Amazing content, as usual. Even if I cannot have the audacity to ask you for specific content, it would be extraordinary if you can make a full video to talk about the helicopter uses of the French Army in Algeria, which largely inspired the helicopter uses of the US Army. France was a pioneer in heavy weaponry on helicopters, used in fire support, as well as in the development of medical evacuations by helicopter for wounded soldiers, without forgetting the drop-off of commandos in the Algerian hinterland. The Algerian War was undoubtedly the first concrete laboratory of the military use of helicopters. The USA have long observed French trials and successes in developing the doctrine for the use of helicopters in US Army. Thanking you once again for your amazing content. Greetings from France. 🇫🇷 💪🇺🇸

[@recoil53]

Just ask him directly. I asked for Air Cavalry a couple times in his pinned post. It took the better part of the year, but now I have the video.

[@rodneygillmeister8003]

I was with the 1st. Cav. BRAVO 2/20th ARA ( BLUE MAX) in Vietnam for 2 tours. We had 12 AH1G's cobras.

[@alancranford3398]

I've been following helicopter forces since my high school days (Class of '75) and I delved into the late Forties experiments with helicopter mobility and helicopters as fire platforms. This video suggests that Long Bow can do more than direct helicopter fires from defilade firing positions. It seems as if regular tube artillery, rocket artillery, smart munitions by tactical aviation and B-52 bombers, naval gunfire and even mortars in leg infantry battalions can be networked in by Long Bow and a fire direction center. This capability exists for unarmed drones, so why not with Apache gunships? It is an extension of the 1938 Time-on-Target Fire Direction Control systems that during WW2 used L-4 Grasshoppers (militarized Piper Cubs) to lay waste to anything moving below. Helicopter-borne infantry has replaced glider infantry and to a large extent parachute infantry--the Airborne divisions still existing have greater reach than helicopters right now but are not as flexible and responsive. This presentation was on Air Cav, not Air Mobile--so the lack of riflemen is understandable.

[@13thravenpurple94]

Great video 👍 Thank you 💜

[@dongraf1222]

Great overview

[@SHVRWK]

I see you used the helicopter mission soundtrack from MOH 2010 haha, really appreciate that detail.

[@edgaraquino2324]

Good video! Thanks!

[@shareefkhan2787]

I was a Ground Scout 19D with 2/10 Air Cav. First time we had a HQ and 3 Air Cav Troops. B, C, D troops. 85 Total Helicopters.

[@Mephistopholies]

Good show.

[@flyonwall360]

I just happened to be sitting here watching this video while wearing my 1st Cav hat. 1st Cav 1988-89. 101st 1985-86. Air Assault!

[@RandoPyro]

I know you did WW2 Navy landing parties awhile back, and saw on your site breakdowns of some Army sea transport units that operate ships. Ever thought about doing breakdown vids on WW2 USN/USCG ship crews or weird modern units like the CG's Port Security Units? I'd certainly be interested.

[@RandoPyro]

I'd also love to see comparison of different military police formations and a discussion of their different battlefield roles. I know the US Army uses them for "maneuver enhancement" aka route reconnaissance and clearance, convoy/route security, and of course base security. Curious to see if other countries stick to that script, especially in those MP formations that are their own branches (French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabinieri, etc.)

[@BattleOrder]

Possibly although I haven't seen that many good ship's complement lists. The only ones I've personally seen online were like destroyer escorts and LSTs during WW2

[@RandoPyro]

@@BattleOrder Yeah unfortunately I've seen that too. The war years were too chaotic I suppose, and many ships took complements much bigger than they were originally designed for. Best one can hope for is a ship that served before the war maybe having a good publicly available list, and just guestimating where the extra men would've gone in wartime.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Army Men: Air Attack 3DO games in early 00s really got my 6y old pip squeak love of rotary aircraft going, might be pissing in the wind haha.

[@christianpethukov]

The one fact that stood out to me is that the Apache units only have some airframes equipped with Longbow, when I thought they all had them.

[@flyoptimum]

It would be overkill as one fire control radar can transmit targets to the entire team. Also understand everything on a helicopter is a trade-off. If you add the the radar, you have to give up something in terms of weapons and fuel to allow for the extra weight. There are also some seperate configurations that cannot coexist with the radar that bring differend capabilities to the flight. Having a mix of aircraft configurations makes the team more versitle.

[@christianpethukov]

@flyoptimum Essentially one Apache becomes the scout and that's augmented with the drone buddies. I like that!

[@jackbloomer1334]

I like how they come up with all these crazy names to reduce the amount of helicopters used

[@KellyNico-h7e]

You have every right to be angry, but that doesn't give you the right to be mean.

[@MrSharkmissle]

I was in C 1-10 during the dual airframe years. Your synopsis is pretty close to spot on, only thing I have to mention is the gray eagle companies in modern day attack battalions.

[@ilf5788]

Good video, but just to point something out. Thumbnail style matters, very few people look at the channel name, and look at the title and thumbnail instead if you have a distinct thumbnail style (like you typically do) your fans and people will pick up on that, and will be more likely to watch your videos because they immediately know you made it, when the thumbnail deviates from your style, people dont recognise its you and are less likely to watch it.

[@ChasRize]

In my last unit in we were the 2nd combat avaition brigade and under that was 3-2Gsab (general support avaition battalion) 4-2 assault recon battalion 602nd avaition battalion and 5-17 air cav squadron and we also had 2 other ground units on different bases so learning about this is actually interesting to me

[@geewee1geewee197]

Great video again! I've only recently discovered your channels and they are a gem! I've been kind binge watching them, lol. I have a bit off topic question: how many soldiers are in a BEB and BSB in the current brigade combat team organization? I've searched everywhere but couldn't find an answer! Thank you and keep up the good work.

[@BattleOrder]

If you go on my website battleorder.org/archive under the Archive page and 21st century, there’s these things called MCOE Supplementals. The 2016 ones will show how many people are in the BEB and BSB

[@geewee1geewee197]

@@BattleOrder Thank you!

[@tomaszskowronski1406]

17:08 Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

[@indianajon7980]

Have just found this channel and love it! Thanks for the great content it's really interesting and I love that you include the various models used and not just a generic 'huey' or whatever. Question. When you discuss the introduction of the Cobra you show it with a crew of three and I was wondering why? Did they have a designated ground based crew chief or similar? Thanks again.

[@BattleOrder]

When a third person displayed next to a two-man aircraft, it's a ground crew chief assigned to that specific helicopter. On Hueys and stuff the Crew Chief also flew in the back

[@indianajon7980]

@@BattleOrder that's brilliant thank you. I did wonder if it was something like that but didn't realise there was one specifically designated but it makes sense thank you.

[@BattleOrder]

@@indianajon7980 I think at one point they stopped pairing specific crew chiefs with specific helicopters in the TOEs, but a crew chief would generally be responsible for a specific helicopter regardless

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Great video...👍

[@topcatandgang]

1st Cavalry Division began when it was constituted on 1 September 1984. the first air cavalry started training for helicopter assaults at Fort Benning Ga. in the late part of 1964. the 11th air assault was at fort benning when i arrived in 1964, i was sent to the flightline for support. when the first cavalry arrived the 11th air assault merged into the cavalry and the mission changed to the first air assault. i was sent to vietnam in february of 1965 to the 52nd combat aviation bn. the first air cavalry followed later.

[@bronzecossack]

Hi nice video! Could you maybe do a video about training? The tactics and maneuvers the air cav do?

[@paulsnickles2420]

Very interesting video

[@Fang70]

19:21 That's an interesting change to the MTOE.

[@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw]

SGT. E-5, M.S. “Archangel” Smith UH-1, Huey M-60 Door Gunner Alpha Troop, 1st Squadron 9th Cavalry Regiment “Sky Troopers” 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile) “First Team” An Khe, Vietnam -1969 (Garry Owen) “Get Some”

[@sparks2spare782]

My dad was 1/9 Air Cav 69-71. Marshall Smith from Arlington TX. His MOS was helicopter mechanic but was also a door gunner and LOACH gunner/observer.

[@MichaelSSmith-hs5pw]

@ We probably chewed the same red dust. Welcome Home to your pop.

[@benitkutchka9663]

I loved it. I was a 19d with the 101st

[@DarkRyderWhisky]

I'm surprised you were able to make this without even mentioning 3rd ACR aviation. Which was probably the most leaned upon aviation during OIF.

[@Swagmaster07]

I didnt know horses needed helicopters! 🤯 🚁🐎

[@patrickbec68]

Great video! However, no cavalry squadron in Europe in 1991 had Apaches which deployed to Saudi Arabia. The confusion may be because some attack battalions attached to Combat Aviation Brigades such as the 12th and 11th CABs were designated as cavalry squadrons but these had the normal Attack Bn TOE of the J Series structure. In fact all the Apaches in Desert Storm were employed by Attack Battalions, including 5-6 Cav, 3-227Avn, 2-1 Avn, 3-1Avn, 2-227Avn, 2-6Cav and 4-229 Avn from US Army Europe. The Air Cav troops used OH-58C/ Ds and AH-1S/F Cobras only.

[@BattleOrder]

I think that’s what I was thinking of, thanks

[@gernblansten684]

The ATKHB of ODS included OH58 and UH 60 as well.

[@patrickbec68]

@@gernblansten684 yes correct, attack battalions had 3 UH-60s and 13 OH-58C/Ds in addition to 18 AH-64s if I recall correctly. But the discussion is about divisional cavalry troops in aviation brigades, not attack battalions .

[@gernblansten684]

Sorry. There was some mention above of the “cav” designated brigades (11 and 6 Cav) that had subordinate squadrons, but were actually atkhb formations. No intention to derail.

[@patrickbec68]

@@gernblansten684 hey no apology necessary, I’m just so happy to see other people interesting in Army aviation!

[@johnd2058]

12:30 Note that the divisional structure is coming back. ARMY 2030 BABY, READY FOR ANYTHING!

[@andrewpizzino2514]

Wonder how well air assault would have done in an 80s Cold War scenario. The Army lost many helicopters against light infantry in Vietnam. Against the Soviet Union they would have faced mobile, modern air defenses.

[@nobodyherepal3292]

Pretty well I’d say, as a lot of those air defense systems have turned out not to be all they were worked up to be.

[@andrewpizzino2514]

@@nobodyherepal3292 hopefully. And the Black Hawks and Apache’s were certainly more survivable

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@nobodyherepal3292 Think Serbia when discussing the effectiveness of WARPAC air defense, not Iraq, not modern Russia, Serbia.

[@nobodyherepal3292]

@@TheTrueAdept you mean the same Serbia that was bombed by NATO all the way to the negotiating table?

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@nobodyherepal3292 by basically going where the air defense wasn't and hitting civilian targets. Serbia's IADS won that conflict as it only lost ammunition and a handful of radars; they pretty much still had everything despite what NATO attempted. NATO Airpower got its ass largely handed to it. NATO only 'won' via terror bombing and backpeddling _hard._

[@zee7056]

I'm curious to see what this all looks like when the V-280 Valor enters service.

[@theJellyjoker]

My grandfather (Colonel Dale M. Liggett) was part of the formation of the US Army Air Cavalry, he had something to do with areal recon I think.

[@JathTech]

I can see how a lot of this organization doctrine could be adapted for use in drone warfare. Manned helicopters are too expensive and too vulnerable to be viable in close in air attack operations anymore. But drone squadrons with command drones, attack drones, scout drones, anti armor drones, and heavy lift drones with charging stations and ground controlled weapons, that could be highly effective and much cheaper.

[@ccarroll4339]

Oooh, 10th mountain :) 14:37

[@alanaldpal950]

So, in summary…. The main take away is that as soon as they complete a re-organization…… they start another re-organization

[@davidrodrigueztoro6512]

Awesome video!. could you do a video on colombian armed forces?

[@TheFunyCornMan]

My great uncle was a Sergeant in 1st air cav during 'Nam. Cool shit

[@fred1barb]

Interesting retrospective, thank you, But please work on your pronunciation of cavalry-- ka·vuhl·ree I was a scout pilot in the Air Cav Troop of two cavalry regiments, 2nd Squadron, First United States Cavalry Regiment (founded as the First Regiment of Dragoons) and the11th Armored Cavalry Regiment. The organization of both troops was similar, the aircraft were similar, and the missions were identical. 2nd of the 1st was an armored cav regiment in the 2nd Armored Division. The 11th ACR was an independent armored cav regiment with its own area of operations, though it was on occasion opcon to the 1st Cav Division. Although the 2nd of the 1st was historically a dragoon (mounted infantry) regiment, that distinction did not exist in an Air Cav troop. The air cav troop of the late 1960s had an aero rifle platoon, that might seem dragoon like. They rode in on Hueys and dismounted to work as scouts or ambushers, then rode out on Hueys. This was all within the standard cavalry mission. One of the things said about an armored cav regiment was that every trooper had a ride, an ACAV, a tank, a self propelled 155mm, a Loach, a Huey or a Cobra.

[@Ajc-ni3xn]

ambushing an enemy force by landing heli troops is so funny to me “shh guys, we cant let them hear us” everyone else in the extremely loud aerial spinning top: WHAT???”

[@hardcaselj111]

playing TNO right now, AirCav my beloved

[@JonathonConnorOfficial]

anyone else find themselves falling asleep around 10 minutes in from the monotone!? lol

[@BattleOrder]

Imagine how bad it would be if I didn't drink 3 Monsters a day!

[@JonathonConnorOfficial]

@@BattleOrder lolz 🤪🤜🤛😎

[@JonathonConnorOfficial]

@@BattleOrder good sport!

[@MrNukehead1]

the russian helicopter tactics would be a interesting video because i dont think much is know from them, from soviet era to current day

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[@redhausser7492]

I'm curious if this will survive the current focus shift to China as the main threat. Is the division as a tactical unit making a comback? How would that impact the Air Cav? Too many questions.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Thanks for The Explanation Many Online Sources for This Are Inept and-or Use Inept Semantics and-or Cant Desceibe which Version They’re Describing Amazing Work Great Art Still Has Semantic Issues

[@MrTryAnotherOne]

@Battle Order: I know it's a huge task to ask for but could you do the same for russian and chinese helicopter formations?

[@hanostrydom3859]

You should read the book, called ChickenHawk, because it is the true story of a Huey pilot during the war, who was in the air cav, but what confuses me, is that he says he was apart of yellow team. Not red or white.

[@samuelhowie4543]

It's been awhile since I've read that but if I remember right he was a troop transport pilot, which might explain the yellow team. Another book is Low Level Hell.

[@hanostrydom3859]

Oh yeah, thats right. He flew slicks, the heuy that wasn’t a gunship. Oh and I will take a look at the book low level hell.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

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