How We Manage Our "Mixed Diet" Relationship (vegan vs. non-vegan)

[@SarahsVeganKitchen]

This was SUCH a great conversation. The footage from right after the dumpling incident reminds me of conversations I've had with a partner in the past -- not just about veganism but other values as well. I get it! It's difficult when you believe in something so fully and want your partner to share your worldview, but to come to that conclusion on his/her own rather than just accepting it to make you happy.

[@jamaaldavenport951]

I guess Sarah will have to struggle to get by somehow with her other 176K followers :-)

[@bethechangebevegan853]

There's No Excuse For Animal Abuse. Once we know better, we can do better. Looks like Liz and Duncan need to educate themselves a little more.

[@bethechangebevegan853]

Liz, do you believe causing unnecessary harm is wrong?

[@misscarriejeand2348]

I was interested in learning more about the vegan lifestyle so I started watching Sarah’s Vegan Kitchen as well as So You’re Dating a Vegan. Their approach to educate and enlighten, not judge, the non vegan viewer drew me in. Those that choose to attempt to shame and or judge others for their life choices are not educating others. I’d also like to point out that just because you are living a vegan lifestyle does not mean you are causing no harm or suffering to the world and species around you. If you drive a car, own any plastic items, live in a house, purchase from large corporations.....you are negatively contributing to this planet. Protesting while wearing Levi’s, Nike’s, and carrying a corporate latte in your hand makes you a contributor to suffering.

[@requiemforamerica8432]

This issue isn't like other issues - this is about paying for heinous torture and massacre of innocent animals for your habit and taste buds. You REALLY THINK IT'S JUST LIKE ALL OTHER ISSUES? Even pro-life debate doesn't come close to this since nobody is paying to have babies aborted with every single meal. THIS ISSUE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT than ANY OTHER ISSUE tha tyou are just equating this issue with.

[@OjaswiShxrma]

I love how calm and unbothered you guys were, and how you actually addressed the issue without taking offence.

[@martam.2768]

Vegan Tina Self-righteousness are annoying AF. And yes, I know you don't care because you're way too high up your own arse. Let it go Tina, just let it go.

[@martam.2768]

Vegan Tina Yeah, like I said, you're so self absorbed you didn't even understand my comment. Sad.

[@martam.2768]

Vegan Tina Murder, exploitation, you all suck, I'm awesome, and then even more about yourself - see, I understand you just fine 😊

[@requiemforamerica8432]

Why should they take offense? They aren't the victims.

[@jenniferhansen7925]

Where are you at Vegan Tina?! Lol

[@sashanoel8766]

Jennifer Hansen Lol I was thinking the same thing

[@musicislove25]

omg vegan tina

[@jenniferhansen7925]

Vegan Tina so awesome!! 🚫🐄🐖🐓🚫

[@sashanoel8766]

Vegan Tina you’re here!!! 🙌🏽✊🏽

[@NatalieLouise1234]

Vegan Tina Yessss girl 🤗

[@marystestkitchen]

aww I love both of you so much. Great video. Much relate.

[@idontlikegoats]

Reduction is the most pragmatic, realistic way to go towards veganism as a society. Being friendly, open minded and non judgemental will gather more people and urge them to make at least small changes. Small steps! One life at the time

[@amiesparkle00]

Exactly! Sadly many vegans as are pretty darn judgmental. Or at least the ones commenting on KZbin lol. My real life vegan friends are way more low key about it. And many of them are in mixed eating style relationships and it's basically no stress for them because they live and let live. I think Duncan and Liz do pretty well considering he's pretty much an activist no matter how mellow he tries to act about it and she will probably always be about 10% omnivore ( much to his everlasting chagrin)

[@A90210_]

amiesparkle00 I agree. I have vegan friends who are low key and welcoming but I know that’s not the case. I live in a hunting community so I get a really hard time for being vegan, but I don’t let it bother me because I know there are a lot of vegans who give us the bad rep of being judgemental and pushy.

[@requiemforamerica8432]

Do you realize that the steps have been SOOOOOOOO SMALL since "meatless Monday" was introduced, the number of animals being tortured and massacred have ONLY BEEN GROWING? ? ONE LIFE AT A TIME? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT "MEATLESS MONDAY IS ACTUALLY WORKING? Treating people like fragile snowflake babies who can ONLY GIVE UP ONE DAY A WEEK is where the problem lies. I hate this "oh we can't offend people or hurt their feelings' BS

[@roycetermushroom]

RequiemFor America true words brotha

[@CheerfullyCynical829]

I will ALWAYS be an omnivore, thank you very much.

[@natalienapalm7510]

I loved this, my boyfriend is Liz. There’s definitely a mutual respect when it comes to going out to eat, he’s watched the documentaries with me, he’s seen my weight drop, acne clear up, and how happy I am about my ethical choices. He’ll always be at my defense when people scoff at me for it but he just can’t come around to it. There’s hope and he “gets it”, but I’ll never force him. This January he’s been choosing more veggie options...One step at a time!

[@ellieneko5961]

You guys are way too nice! Way to be better than almost everyone I’ve ever met. I’m sure almost everyone would use their ‘power’ of ‘followers’ to lash back. You respectfully used insight. Great way to be!

[@ChristianLove7]

This video made me realize that I took for granted all these years being married to a vegan. I just assumed married couples ate the same way.

[@amiesparkle00]

Eating differences can really impact a couple. People really underestimate how much it can cause issues. Be glad ur married to a vegan and share the same views. It's a slow burn of stress because it's every freaking day of your life.

[@nicktheveganchick]

@@amiesparkle00 👍

[@Emily-ro5ch]

I’m really sorry that people are so on Liz being a vegan right now. I actually found Liz to be one of the biggest reasons I’m becoming vegan and why I watch the channel. She’s so real and accepting that she doesn’t make you feel guilty about liking a lot of the foods you ate before going vegan. Liz your awesome and thank you for just understanding how hard it is to be vegan sometimes. 😊

[@MelMeltalks31]

Emily Whitehill A lot of vegans don’t say feel guilty about the food you used to eat. They just say make vegan alternatives and don’t kill animals.

[@requiemforamerica8432]

Not sure wh you are thanking someone who is NOT vegan but keeps making excuses for her not being vegan for understanding that it's "hard to be vegan"? are you stupid or something?

[@HelloGemma]

"I look like a fascist" haha I did a massive cackle at that. I'm vegan and my partner isn't, but it's all good and I do think that it's incredibly helpful to look at things in a more nuanced way. When we met I was vegetarian and had been for 20 years, and he ate meat. I went vegan 3 years ago (4 years into our relationship) and slowly he went vegetarian. I'd say he's 95% vegan but he occasionally buys cheese and will eat eggs and dairy outside of the house. That's good enough for me because it's good enough for him. I was so happy when he decided to stop eating meat because it was totally his decision, we adopted a dog and I think that changed his perspective and helped him make the connection, he hadn't had any kind of pet before and he practically worships the ground our dog walks on so things changed fast! A lot of people assume I pressured him into it and if anything I was doing the opposite! If he decides to go vegan one day I'll be happy, but I'm happy now too. We have a good respect for each other's decisions and I do all the cooking anyway so we very rarely even have cheese in the house unless we make pizza. I think he's just assumed we will raise vegan kids and is fine with that, people are complex and individuals and I have learned that whilst veganism is easy for me (especially since I haven't eaten meat since I was 10) it's not easy for everyone, especially someone who has been eating meat and dairy for 26 years. He is willing to eat vegan food with me 3 times a day pretty much every day and that means a lot to me. To keep focusing on him not being fully vegan would be to focus on something he doesn't do, rather than the huge amount he does do.

[@HelloGemma]

I also think a more laid-back approach has led to him being really interested in veganism naturally. He will go out of his way to find vegan restaurants for us to try, and he follows a few "accidentally vegan" accounts on Instagram so he can surprise me with new food items. When he's so supportive and practically eating vegan already most of the time, I would feel like a total idiot to force him to label himself.

[@LoLo-cv8cp]

I personally couldn't do it if my husband wasn't vegan... I was the first vegan in the family, 5.5 years ago, and shortly after my husband, son and mother in law followed suit. Since we have had another child who is now 2.5 years old and vegan from conception. My parents are not vegan, but are very respectful and don't bring non vegan items to my house, and if we go to their house they only prepare vegan food for us. I'm very blessed to have such great support.

[@teleioswonder]

Your child isn't "vegan from conception" if you breast feed him/her. You're a mammal. Your milk is animal milk. Just saying.

[@therobin980]

@@teleioswonder It is vegan to breastfeed. Veganism is about reducing animal suffering, no animal is suffering if a vegan mother breastfeeds her child

[@sisterchristian32]

I all ways thought being vegan was about being compassionate and loving each and every being on this planet. That it was not about shaming, name calling or spewing hate at everyone that has a different opinion or life style.

[@veganbear5212]

Being vegan is not supporting the evil unjustified ways in people including myself, what Liz chooses to participate in is clearly wrong. We live in a world where my comment on Liz is understood and not, I except this reality. Sometimes a friend needs to bring us back to earth.

[@asteacdavid6037]

No being vegan is about logical consistency. Name the trait

[@sarahfeoli8413]

As a vegan who's been with, and is now married, to a non-vegan for eight years, I think Liz best explained 'why she's not vegan yet' by saying she has a different world view. People all around us can know all about the cruelty, health reasons, environmental reasons, and still not go immediately vegan because not everyone has the same world view. It's a longer process for some than others. I take every 'baby step' towards veganism that my husband takes as a huge victory! Every new food I can make or have him try that he enjoys, is one step closer. Duncan and Liz, thank you for sharing this dialogue. I'm so happy to see so many more positive comments here. Liz, you are awesome! Keep up the good work, you two.

[@sacmakiz]

Great conversation about boundaries and priorities in the relationship. It's not just about veganism, it's more about self awareness and having respect and love for one another unconditionally. A while ago, I was watching this channel. Some day Duncan, sort of got mad at me and said few almost mean, snarky comments and stopped watching your channel even though I liked it a lot back then. It just isn't fun to watch someone who is most likely going to become aggressive towards your comment if he feels like it is a threat to his friends etc. I am glad you guys are keeping it chill, between each other and with the audience now. Liz, you are cool as cucumber girl, you are the sweetest.

[@alleylipford8420]

This reminds me so much of me and my husband. I have been vegan our entire relationship. He started off as a meat at every meal not even willing to consider the possibility of veganism kind of guy. Over the last decade that we have been together he has been willing to stop eating me in front of me at first then transition to not buying meat products then transition to pescatarian now he's a vegetarian. We have a 2 old daughter who's been vegan since birth and only have vegan products in our house and he tends to order vegan products and we got as a family so he can share with our daughter. If I were a huge bitch about it and said I'm not going to be with you because you are not the same as me or guilted him all the time he probably would not have made that transition to mostly vegaand we would have had a horrible strife in our relationship.

[@soyouredatingavegan]

Alley Lipford Love this story, thanks for sharing.

[@brittanyw7472]

I’m in a similar situation and would love some advice I’m really struggling!

[@WeAreBornAthletes]

I hope you can reply to this. Me and my husband had our 2nd debate on my belief and core values as a vegan. I said that maybe we should watch some documentaries to watch and he refuses. He said he knows about the cruelty and how the animals are treated but he doesn't care and believes that killing/harming animals for food isnt bad. He also refuses to watch documentaries because he thinks it is emotionally manipulative. He thinks that footage of animals being slaughtered bis fake and is set only on emotions and not on facts. He agrees on veganism as a way to save the planet/environment, but he doesn't agree on the whole idea of being kind to animals. He states that it is okay. It's no suprise that he isn't vegan, but eats 100% at home and eats whatever he wants outside the house. He always try to find restaurants that have vegan options and he always get excited when he finds a vegan restaurant Becuase he would want to take me there. One night, he randomly mentioned that he wanted to adopt kids, but I told him that I don't think we could because our values don't seem to match. I would want to raise my kids vegan and when they are old enough I will watch some documentaries with them and educate them about animal mistreatment. He said that he would not let our kids watch any vegan documentaries. It broke my heart, because I know that I love my husband but I love and more Passionate about animals. I truly love this person that I would let him go so he can have kids with a subtle partner... I will be happy for him...but at the same time I know I don't want to entertain the idea of getting divorced. If you have any advice on this matter, please let me know. thank you for your time.

[@ecehanbalkc6146]

@@WeAreBornAthletes divorce that asshole. Love is something that comes and goes and comes again. You clearly deserve better!!!!

[@sarahwilliamson675]

This is honestly my FAVORITE video they have ever done. You can see so many parts of their relationship here. Its also so educational. ITS AMAZING

[@Ilovechickpeas]

I'm vegan and have been for some time but my partner isn't. Sometimes it makes me angry and I drop hints about wanting him to go vegan but he has no desire to switch. However does eat most of what I cook over our long relationship and when we are home, he eats 70-90 percent plant based. Of course he orders meat when he goes out or when he cooks but since i do most of the cooking, he eats a lot of vegan food. I hope one day he will change, but I love him more than anything and would not ruin the relationship to get my way. It might take 10 years, but I feel like he will make the decision on his own and that's what I want.

[@samarsalon]

Same ♥️

[@kinyacat5919]

Soo.... do u want him to be vegan?

[@makethebestofwhatsaround3113]

7:45. Both people see animal exploitation as wrong, but only one person in the relationship decided not to participate in it.

[@cafeonmars6731]

“I’ve got a little vegan Tina in me”

[@Nicolinax]

CafeOnMars 😂😂😂

[@svetlana7090]

I actually love how much you acknowledge each other’s feelings and your communication is so great ! This is beautiful to watch ❤️ well done you two

[@rebekkiej]

I love how honest your videos are. You have conversations with us and share things others would only share with friends.

[@DamnTastyVegan]

I love the Duncan emo moment. I laughed so hard. Humor helps so much. You guys have grown so much together. You communicate so well. I love how Liz said that it’s not only about not forcing your partner to do something, but it’s also about knowing what your own boundaries are. So many passive aggressive fights could be avoided by just knowing and stating your boundaries. Thanks for this really awesome, raw and honest video

[@jeromedelossantos3762]

Favourite video by far, and definitely one of my favourite channels on YT. One of the best things is that Liz has made incredible strides (obviously because she cares about Duncan) and would probably never made these strides without Duncan so that already in itself is a huge win. Being vegan is just like any other flaws or strengths in a person that you either accept or you don’t to make a relationship work. And setting those expectations like Liz said i.e not feeling comfortable cooking meat, is huge on both ends and will prevent so many arguments. Vegans are not perfect and slip up sometimes, and we just have to remember that we are doing the best WE can to prevent animal suffering, and if our partners can say they’re doing their best then that’s all we can really ask for. Keep up the amazing work guys.

[@SamCostaPhD]

You guys, always bringing it with the respect and laughs and inspiration! My girlfriend and I have had some serious discussions about this lately and this video was so helpful, as usual. I actually found you guys because when she and I started dating three years ago I was shocked to realize how uncomfortable and upset I was getting seeing her eat meat. I hadn’t felt that way in my past relationships (as the vegan partner) and didn’t know how to cope. You guys have been a guiding light and I can’t thank you enough for sharing your process and journey together ❤️ and Liz, you’re flippin beautiful and lovely and wonderful and I love how you let that hate roll right off your back, keep it up! I also love how Duncan was able to share how he understands Vegan Tina’s point of view and Liz was so supportive of that. Just seriously all around awesome work both with the content you’re providing but also the example you’re setting! 🙌🏽🙏❤️

[@soyouredatingavegan]

Samantha Costa Thank you Samantha! 🐻

[@eugenia5vich]

Liz is THE COOLEST. And Duncan is also the coolest for coming such a long way in his understanding of Liz's process/choices.

[@cyril4046]

Eugenia Sincovich Well, these are the choices of about 99% of the population, so it shouldn't be too hard to understand them. Hopefully, Duncan is not the kind of idiot vegan who says "meat is murder".

[@Blurggg]

I was definitely hard on Liz initially too, but it really does matter that she’s making an effort and drastically reduced her consumption of animal products. It matters for the animals the planet and her heath. Sure, we vegans would prefer everyone go fully vegan, but realistically, not everyone will. It’s important to give credit to anyone making an effort rather than bashing them for not doing enough. Veganism is not perfection either. There’s always more we can all be doing. Thanks for addressing this.

[@alicodm5120]

Forcing it on others wouldn't help

[@kristynmakes7983]

This is probably my favourite video you guys have released to date. It’s very real and I love the insight into the struggles you have had in the past. Very cool dudes!

[@krissyliz]

My boyfriend and I have lived together for 3 years. I am a strict vegan and he eats literally everything.. it has never caused a problem. Obviously, my ideal situation is that he would be vegan, but I’m sure his ideal is that I would not be vegan. We accept each other for who we are and our own choices in life. I feel like for me to make him choose living with me or keep eating meat.. well that’s just nonsense. Or eating meat in front of me.. sure I don’t agree with it but am I that self centered to say he can’t.. no way. We all have a path in this life and it is different for each person. We are all ONE and we all need to learn different life lesson and grow from them. Maybe my boyfriends life path is to eat animal products. For my life it is to be vegan. I hate forcing my opinions on other people around me. Be the change you want to see in the world. It’s best to do it by just being you. After seeing this video I do hope at least that you have made sacrifices for Liz because she has made a lot for you and your opinions.

[@jenniferhansen7925]

I have been vegan for almost two years and my husband and kids are not vegan but they are exposed to everything because of me. I don’t want to change anyone but I certainly share my meals and will explain why if someone talks to me nicely about it. Anyone that comes to me ready to fight for their meat, the conversation is already over before I open my mouth because those people aren’t actually interested in learning my side.

[@Sizzlewho]

Jennifer Hansen Similar situation in my house. I have been vegan for almost 3 years and my husband and children aren't vegan either. My kids - I have 2 still at home - 18 and 14, as well as my husband eat much less meat because of my being vegan, but it is their decision to make!

[@nanette818]

I’ve always been the only vegan I’ve ever known, being in a vegan only relationship never even occurred to me. I’ve been married for14 years and we let our kids choose their own food path, and have one vegan kid and one non vegan.

[@uhyeahitsme]

i paused this at just :51 to say: "Thank you Duncan. Thank you for standing up for your wife against hurtful comments." The expression on her face as you read that was so sad... I am vegan, but I am no better than anyone else. I don't believe in putting eachother down based solely on diet, especially when we were not born into a vegan existence. I have been vegetarian since I was 6 years old and vegan for the past 8 years. My daughter is vegetarian, my partner is omni. Neither of them deserve hurtful remarks or shame. You two are fantastic. You are still with Liz because she is fantastic, and fulfills you. She is your partner.

[@Maiden_Warrior_Crone]

Thank you for saying this. People like you help more than people who shame others.

[@uhyeahitsme]

@@Maiden_Warrior_Crone ❤thank you for your kind words. A quick update: my daughter is now vegan and my husband is vegetarian! I guess you're right! Thank you again. I hope you and your family are safe and well

[@mirandajackson4119]

I loved this! This is why I love your channel. You keep the dialogue open and try to respect one another. The fact is not everyone is vegan, but it’s important to have the message out there. People have to go on their own journey and figure out their reason for following veganism. That applies to almost every way of life, figuring out who you are and what you want to pursue. Thank you for putting this video out there for others to see :)

[@TaraLeeGee]

This was so refreshing. I love the way you talk to each other and how healthy your relationship seems. I mean, it could all be for camera (I don't think it is) but whatever, then I like the way you exemplify healthy conversations. I am in a similar boat to Liz, I eat plant based at home, and 95% of the time that I'm out. I often feel demonised by vegan groups on social media, as if my effort is not good enough, and also have the great pleasure many vegans experience of being labelled the "weird vegan" by others. It's the best of both worlds, really. I hardly comment, but I've been watching for a couple of years and you are by far my favourite vegan channel. I enjoy everything you do. This video just made me so happy. If you're ever in London (Or Brisbane, though I don't live there anymore) I can definitely tell you some great vegan spots if you're interested!

[@highflowerfairy2554]

"That's my wife you're talking about there." Yes dude. I've never watched you guys, but that was the perfect response to somebody talking crap. I look forward to the rest of the video.

[@booksbarksbrews]

For many people empathy is a learned trait. As a deeply, naturally empathetic person, I often struggle to understand this and oddly enough don't always have empathy for non-empathic people. But, I truly believe that by modeling behavior, educating, and BEING PATIENT with a person's journey, we can get a greater amount of people eating a plant-based diet. I really don't believe this method creates excuses for behavior. I believe it allows people to question their food choices without the pressure, shaming or guilt of an authority. Research has shown time and time again that shaming and creating guilt does not result in change. Guiding people onto a vegan path, is no different. I commend you guys for having an open, honest discussion. I commend Duncan for being understanding and loving Liz for who she is in the present, rather than an idealized future vegan version (well except for in his dreams, haha). Also, I love Liz and commend her for being meat-free for a WHOLE YEAR!!! Annddd of course, always keeping it cool. 😎

[@Minmataro718]

I've been eating plant-based for almost a year because of you guys and a few videos you guys recommended. Sadly in my weakest moment i had some sort of nervous breakdown. Like was i missing out by not eating steak and chicken, pork etc. Was i going to die and not truly live like other people who were doing whatever they wanted. Why deprive myself while most of the people in my country couldnt give a single fuck about an animal. So i visited my corner deli, ordered a BBQ chicken sandwich on a roll and took it home. I took three bites, set the roll down and started to feel dizzy. The images of rotting flesh sitting in my system flashed by me and i got very sick. Vomit, fever for two days... all this was mental. So ultimately my weakest moment since being "vegan" helped me get passed my little episode and made me realize meat isnt something that i was missing. Why am i sharing this? who knows... i heard the bit about liz and her chicken dream and i started writing this out lol. my bad. But i do know having dreams of eating BBQ pork ribs over a couple months lead to my little slip. So liz be careful.

[@soyouredatingavegan]

Not a big deal friend, nobody's perfect. I think it's better to be honest and let others learn from your experience. I had some cheese when I was in Paris and got a bad stomach ache the next day. It didn't even taste good to me. So it was a worthwhile experiment because I learned something about myself. Thanks for sharing your story and good luck on your journey. - D

[@annak1371]

My husband and I have this issue. And.... It's worse with family members because I am the only person in my family that wants to eat vegan. My husbands family has never even known a vegan until we married. It's tough. My family doesn't understand why I don't want to eat meat. They won't make an effort. They tease me. I'm the healthiest person I know in my life (Internet excluded). I won't let them give my daughter things that I wouldn't eat. My step Dad tried to feed my daughter meat once and she wouldn't eat it. She was only 2 at the time. My husband has tried to go with out meat and he says that he feels like he's weaker than he would be if he had just eaten a burger. But, he eats junk. I'll have a kale salad and he'll have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

[@rachelbastian711]

I'm vegan, and I really related to what Liv said about labels. I feel judgement from the non vegans and vegans. If I slip up and eat a cheeto, which is processed, barely-there dairy, someone will tell me, "Oh, I guess you're not vegan anymore." Or, I was visiting an Indian friend's home and her grandma, who only speaks hindu, kept motioning to cupcakes she made, and her face got sadder every time I said no. The cupcake was vegan/eggless, but the frosting had butter. I ate it out of pressure in the early days, and out of respect. Do these instances completely wipe away from my every day diet? I cannot claim that I'm a saint, as my vegan friend and I talked shit about another vegan who has a cheat weekend every month where he eats everything from steak to sundaes. To each their own I say. We shouldn't have to label, and we shouldn't be so strict on people to be 100% without any slip ups. We should praise each other for every vegan meal he or she eats.

[@Anchor_Wolf]

The problem with me and my girlfriend is that she doesn’t believe in any of the benefits of a vegan lifestyle and she doesn’t care about the welfare of farm animals. She is also really picky about what she eats and refuses to eat even most fruits and vegetables. She’s stubborn and stuck in her ways and no amount of educating or gentle convincing will change her opinion. She’s said flat out that she does not want to be vegan and never will be vegan so there’s nothing I can do about it. At the same time she’s terrified of me leaving her even though I don’t want to and have told her I don’t care that she isn’t vegan. She gets so scared and upset that she shuts down and refuses to communicate with me. Just last night we talked about what we were going to do for Thanksgiving and she got upset that I said I would do my own Vegan thing at dinner and just be with her for the rest of the day. She wants me to be more involved in Holidays with her and she won’t agree to raising a Vegan child so I don’t know what to do anymore. I really love this girl and I don’t want to leave her so I need help.

[@decentaur5040]

You know, the best thing for someone who is as self absorbed as her IS to go vegan so she can concentrate on the well being of innocents instead of concentrating solely on herself. By concentrating only on herself, she also ends up being eaten up by fear of your leaving her etc. When her world view and concern grows and she isn't the only one who matters in her world, she will become a better person. As is, even if you marry her your life will continue to be less than perfect because her mental problems won't get better :( I know it's hard when you are in love so good luck to you - but this one doesn't look like a keeper :(

[@MaryamaAmina]

She went from eating meat to 90 percent meat free diet and even animal product consumption reduced by a lot. Her kids would most likely be vegans . Any vegans mad at her need to go somewhere else puhlease. Plus she is adorable . How can anyone be mad at her. go liz!!!!!

[@sarahstumpf7896]

ok honestly i love both you guys so much, i eat mostly vegan but i come here for just the enjoyment i have so much anxiety and your videos always calm me down

[@dudeno5042]

Very similar to my husband-non vegan and myself-vegan. It’s best to remember these are personal choices and since our spouses are a different person they have different convictions. It’s hard for some people to believe but it’s possible.

[@emmafuentes23]

You guys are so legit! Thank you for being so genuine and real. This is the reality for most couples who are not completely vegan on both ends. She supports him in everything that he does and what more could you ask for in a partner. People have no right to say what you should or shouldn’t do in your marriage. Thanks for the great content. Keep it coming!

[@lenafink7787]

Such a powerful, honest and great great conversation. WOW thank you!!

[@martianqueen3553]

I’ve always loved how y’all address these topics so openly and with so much class. well done!!

[@Jess-im7cb]

My husband is vegan, I'm mainly vegan but I still eat shrimp and cheese from time to time ...We were already married for 5 years before he went vegan but I started changing my diet about 3 months after he started....I think it's insane that people think that a non -vegan and vegan can't work...It definitely can, just takes time ....My husband never pushed me and I feel that's why I was transitioning faster than I had expected....If he were to push me and call me a murderer or anything I would probably be defiant and not budge so he came across it well! Lol goodluck to you both! ❤❤

[@kawaiigeneral]

I think there's a lot to be said about this type of dynamic. When most people first go vegan, they almost always immediately hit the "angry vegan" phase where everyone that hasn't seen the truth is willfully ignorant or awful people, but Liz is absolutely right when she mentions how some folks just need to realize and remember their own thought-processes beforehand. However, I also think that a lot of folks need to realize that most proselytizing comes from a place of good. There's a delicate balance to hit and it's not easy to find that. I've been watching a lot of Unnatural Vegan videos here on YT where she talks a lot about her philosophy on veganism and how to frame it as every meal that doesn't contain animal products is a victory, even if it means a person is only "vegan-at-home" or if a person just does something like "meatless mondays". Every animal not eaten is a life saved and better for the world. A lot of vegans fall into that black-and-white thinking trap and need to remember the balance. There are ways to promote and convert without destroying relationships. Great video and good on Liz for making more effort than 90% of the rest of humanity. Every little bit makes a difference.

[@Anniekelseyty]

Can I just say how much I absolutely love love love this channel. So much respect and honesty. Thank you!

[@rachelhayward6530]

People get so bent out of shape when you don’t use labels to identify yourself. I eat mostly plant based but never tell people I’m a vegan. I totally understand why people would, it becomes your identity and your lifestyle but don’t shame someone for not doing that! You do you Liz! You’re trying and that’s all that matters!

[@tortellini6793]

She's doing more than most of the country BY FAR! Why don't we celebrate her efforts instead of tearing her down? Every little step counts :)

[@windwalker4094]

Anyone who’s vegan gets Tina’s perspective (as you mentioned), but unfortunately, her approach has the opposite effect. It does nothing more than rally the forces against converting. We hear you, Tina, but take a breather and treat people as kindly as you expect them to treat animals. Be the good example. Be the vegan honey. Use that passion for good. We need more passionate, non-judgemental vegans out there.

[@windwalker4094]

You don’t know about vegan honey? Oh, darling, you’re missing out. The longer you’re vegan, the more you’ll discover. Wishing the best with your new vegan journey.

[@windwalker4094]

You used “nuance” improperly. A+ for effort, though. I still love you even if you’re really an 11 year old, meat loving boy named Timmy spreading the hate as a troll 💗

[@soulfinity444]

I loved this video! You two are so lovely and real - thank you! If we dropped the labels (vegan/non-vegan) you are dating/married to Liz...the compassionate being beside you on the couch. Who is obviously loving you unconditionally and that is what we are all here for. So sweet that you two are riding this journey out together and we all get to benefit from your wisdom (and humour). Thanks again...xo!

[@AyeJay91]

can i just say how much i LOVE Liz and Duncan? I’ve watched you two for a really long time now, and you’re relationship has grown in such a positive way. keep up the open conversations but only if it’s you’re choice :)

[@amberhannah9245]

I like that they have such respect for each other in the choices they make, they accept each other for who they are. That makes their relationship so great.

[@elmolly93]

Anyone else just stuck on how adorable it is that they are wearing grey t-shirts and blue jeans, they are dressing like twins

[@noporter7467]

Honestly I would date a non-vegan, if they would eventually become vegan. I would first of all educate them about the cruelty the animals go through, how horrible and toxic meat and animal products are for us and the environment. If by then they still say they'll never go vegan then it says a lot of stuff about their personality, and I wouldn't want to be with someone like that.

[@xqueseraserax]

No Porter The reality is it’s healthier to go into a relationship without thinking you can change someone. It’s unfair pressure to say, “I’ll date you only if you eventually conform to what I want you to be”. What an an addendum to put on a relationship Probably healthier to find someone that shares that belief, if it means that much to you.

[@noporter7467]

It's not really that, it's just if the person doesn't want to go vegan for a stupid reason like "meat tastes good" or any reason at all, after everything I expose them to, then it tells me that's the type of person I don't want to be with. Someone who is ignorant, who doesn't want to change for the better of this earth, our environment and our health. It's like if you dated a smoker, and you really cared for their health, then wouldn't you want them to change for the better. Even though meat (animal agriculture) is worse for our environment and health.

[@xqueseraserax]

No Porter unfortunately that’s exactly what it is. You want them to see the world the way you do. To see being vegan as the only ethical choice. Your smoking example, part of my belief system, I don’t date smokers because I know it’s something I can’t change in them, they have to want to change for themselves. I don’t date individuals who have or want kids because of my system of beliefs. My partner and I are open in our communication on the subject. I’m not saying people can’t or won’t change, I just can’t go into thinking that I’m going to fundamentally change this person. I love that person for a lot of reasons that aren’t centered around that one thing

[@noporter7467]

That's what I'm saying though. I don't want to change them, I want to present them with information and studies, and I want to see if they make the change for themselves. Like I said before, if after everything I expose them to, they still choose to support the murder and torture of innocent beings, the rainforest destruction, the enviornmental issues that animal agriculture causes, and the destroying of their own bodies from eating these products, then it tells me the person is ignorant. If they have the knowledge that what their doing is wrong in every way and they still want to do it, then I can't be with someone like that. That's my choice.

[@noporter7467]

But I'm also not going to avoid dating non-vegans because of my beliefs, because most of them don't know all the research, facts, scientific studies done. That's why I would help them with it.

[@horrorghoul]

My ex ate meat and I didn't. Was never an issue. My fiance' eats meat and again it doesn't bother me. I can only control what I do as a person and not what others do. I don't love him less for his food choices. I can't believe that people would be so judgmental toward her. She is a great person that loves you so what she is doesn't make her less of a person.

[@cbdislife2514]

interesting convo... when my mom comes to visit me from across the country, i allow her to bring milk for her coffee into my house but that's a hard line and she understands. i'm lucky my hubby went vegan overnight with me!

[@imfittted4829]

This video is very helpful and helps to remind me to be more understanding of my partner's personal choices and that he may have a different view of the world. I am vegan and he is an omnivore. Liz's opinions really help me to see that it's not always so black and white even if for me personally it was and that's why I went vegan overnight. It's so wonderful how supportive she is while remaining true to herself. For me I flip flop as to whether it bothers me that my partner eats meat. Fundamentally, I wish he would see it as I do and have the desire to change; but I believe what a person eats is a deeply personal choice. There are times we go out to eat and he orders meat and I don't really think about it. Then there are times where I don't even want to be around him when he eats meat. I would eventually hope he could come around to not having meat in the house.

[@lilliansantos4408]

imfittted it’s not a personal choice when there is a victim involved.

[@meganward3072]

I absolutely love you guys' relationship. So inspirational and respectful. Goals.

[@Marie-ut4ht]

I love how open and accepting you guys are with each other, my partner is a meat eater and sometimes pokes fun at my being vegan, but is also pretty accepting and will try my food or go to vegan places with me (he also looks up vegan places for me whenever we go somewhere!) it's really all about communication like you talked about and not pressuring your partner! great video

[@BlankaFromEurope]

I am so happy that you make honest videos about this ! I'm vegan and my bf is a meat eater, even after 3+ years together he is nowhere close to even vegetarian. I hate myself for pushing him sometimes as I know its something everyone should get to themselves, but I just can't help it. He is trying and only eats meat while we go out /so our place is cruelty free/ but I would looove for him to be more committed. You guys are so inspirational on how calm and loving a couple like that can be ! xx

[@GothicAngel318]

Honestly the fact that liz is going through the journey with the channel is one of the reasons why I love this channel. I'm vegan my boyfriend is not. It doesnt matter to us because we care and love eachother and hes very accepting of my vegan meals. He often will eat a vegan option at a restaurant instead of a meat one just to try it totally unprompted by me, and request meals without meat as a part of them at all, I've never been pushy with him to change his diet and hes always been open and respectful and interested in mine. I often forget I'm vegan until I have to say it simply because I don't think about it I haven't eaten meat in so long its just become how it is unconsciously and I dont see my boyfriend as a non vegan Just the man I love. Veganism should be about love, compassion, and awareness of your impact on the world. As long as you strive to cause less harm today then you did yesterday thats all that matters, not the labels we put on things

[@jessmorocco]

Its really sad that she doesn't see animal slavery and torture and rape and murder as wrong :( and sad that she doesn't understand the health risks to eating animal products. And it's sad she doesn't know about the harm the animal industry is doing to the environment.

[@1stStrawberryGirl]

You guys are so cute together! Remember the beginning of this channel and I never questioned why you are a couple. It doesn't matter if Liz isn't fully vegan, it's just a small part of the relationship and shouldn't define it 100%. Of course it impacts it, but there are so many other things that make it great and wonderful.

[@sarahlarafa]

What I don't understand is the utter hypocrisy and double standard that is happening with the partner shaming. Edgy Veg has a non-vegan partner, but rarely get treated the way Liz does. It is pretty frustrating to see.

[@judygonzalez86]

“I don’t want to shame you into doing something right, bc what I do is right” that spoke numbers to me !!!! I wish I could have a conversation with my boyfriend like you & Liz she’s more understanding. Yeah I live with a non vegan & it’s not easy to deal with emotionally.

[@kimberlypimentel2871]

This is a very interesting video! Love it that you guys share little fun and not always so fun bits of your relationship. We don't see this enough. You guys rock and are so fun to watch! Keep up the good work! Love from Montreal! :)

[@victoriablanc761]

we are vegan at home and vegetarian when we're out. Its impossible to find vegan options in most a lot of places. For a long time I was vegetarian and he was not. And he cooked his own meat. It's possible to make it work. now we eat the same.

[@Layke2check]

Hey there, first time on the channel. Just wanted to say that as a vegan with a pescatarian girlfriend of 5 years I found this video funny, relatable and helpful. Thanks for the content and keep being awesome!

[@soyouredatingavegan]

Thanks for the nice comment, we're glad you're here!

[@Ashibe_bae]

I relate a lot to Liz. I was vegetarian for 9 years before "awakening" to the vegan life. I no longer eat eggs or cheese, but I'm not perfect. I believe I eat 90% vegan, and that's okay with me. The only time I eat non-vegan is when I'm around family or eating out but I try to stay as vegan as possible. Over the past 2 years I have began to eat seafood too (haha I blame sushi train restaurants). I think relaxing about my strict "vegetarian" label opened me up to trying so many new things, veganism being one of them. I don't know if I would even go 100% vegan, but I'm super happy to be 90%! I'm a lot happier being 90% vegan than 100% vegetarian still eating eggs and cheese (makes me feel sick thinking about it). Thanks for making videos like this!

[@007-o8j]

regardless of your differences watching you two interact is very refreshing and its inspiring me in my relationship thank you please keep posting

[@madeline5175]

"I wanna support everything in trying to become more plant-based." That is awesome! Everybody starts somewhere, and every little step counts. It's rare that someone who goes vegan overnight, stays vegan in the long-run. Just like losing weight or building a business, nothing happens instantaneously.

[@terriketokooni3100]

Liz i just feel like wanting to protect you. Thats the mom in me

[@Franccotton]

you need to come to London and try "temple of Camden' - a vegan fried chicken to curb the cravings and dreams! Went with my extremely non-vegan friend and he loved it

[@jena8277]

I love you both and this channel so much! I think if people watch the channel they would see that Liz is a kind and thoughtful person. I appreciate the respect you show to each other and your viewers.

[@Sizzlewho]

Great video! I am vegan and my husband isn't. And people are constantly asking why I am not more upset at him or why I cook him non-vegan meals - it is really simple. I respect him. And to respect someone as a person means that you respect their right to make their own decisions (even if they are wrong!😊). I became vegan at 46 years old (almost 49 now) so my husband and I had a long history together without this difference. A long history of "what we are eating" not being the center of the relationship, so I refuse to make it the center of it now. He eats less meat because I do most of the cooking and shopping for the household, but I do not have the right to expect him to change for me. I totally understand too wanting the DESIRE to be vegan to come organically from the person you love. I get it. And one day, my husband may get there, but I love him completely every minute until then!

[@lorin9489]

I have the utmost respect for you both for the level of communication that you have achieved in your relationship. If all married/non married couples, friends, relatives, humans could take the time to see things from each other's perspective and honestly evaluate their own behaviour at the same time it would be such a much better world. You are so generous to share these personal moments with your viewing audience. I feel like I both gained and learned a lot about how to be more accepting of my non-vegan relationships. I absolutely loved watching this video.

[@thefoodkimist]

This is so refreshing. I'm vegan and my boyfriend is not. When friends/others find out, they look at us like we're crazy or dysfunctional. We start to wonder you know like...is it sustainable?... We feel personally that it is...but then the way others view blending vegan/non-vegan suggests it shouldn't be sustainable or work. So this is refreshing to see others with a similar mindset and understanding dynamic. So great.

[@amberolsen8552]

I definitely think it’s productive to make small changes, I’d say it’s more productive to completely eliminate animal products but I still have a lot of respect for people who try to limit their intake of them and that being a perfect isn’t that attainable for people who eat or did eat an omnivorous diet

[@amberolsen8552]

I mean perfect vegan btw lmao

[@lisavanvegan]

I can relate to this a lot. My boyfriend has been raised in a very traditional Mexican household so I let him go home to eat meat whenever he wants. But he knows I dont want meat in my fridge. He knows my beliefs and I think I got lucky that he already loves vegetables

[@rhueoflandorin]

to love a person, you must accept who they are without trying to change them or impart your own lifestyle choices onto them. Asking them to be sensitive to your lifestyle choices is totally fine, such as the alcoholic asking family and friends not to bring alcohol around when they're hosting a BBQ, or asking a meat-eating S.O or friend not to order/eat [in front of you] a roast pig when you're vegan or animal-activist. But also ACCEPTING that what they choose to eat is, ultimately, their choice---for the recovering alcoholic this means not FORCING their friends to NEVER consume alcohol because they've decided NOT TO. For the vegan, this means not demanding their friends, family, or SO swear off meat and other animal sources of protein.

[@doloreserin]

Hi Duncan and Liz, I'm here because vegan as fork recommended your channel. I love this conversation, I'm goingvegan at the end of February. I've done all the research, know it's the right step for me, but worried about the opinions of friends and family who just don't understand. Hubby isn't vegan, and doesn't plan to be any time soon. Your conversation is great and shows that if you love "someone and they are respectful of your values, it can work. Your partner doesn't have to be vegan, as long as they respect you, don't tease you about your beliefs, etc. I just subscribed to your channel. Love Liz, can certainly relate to where both of you are coming from. I'm gradually going vegan ... for the animals. Allie

[@Gabrielle.Xavier]

So.. Is she vegan yet?

[@if6436]

Gabrielle Xavier shut up n watch the fucking video

[@Gabrielle.Xavier]

If only I was making a joke...😄

[@Jess-im7cb]

😂😂

[@RebeccaWife1Mom4]

Hahaha.... 😂🤣

[@michellem8760]

I F Someone is 12 and doesn’t get sarcasm yet, I’m gonna make the same comment, one moment.

[@tao_of_mary]

My boyfriend is not vegan but he has always been so supportive and willing to try and cook vegan foods with me. He also gets really sad when I bring up the animal cruelty aspect and he totally understands the environmental impact. He's just been brought up in a household that was pretty much anti vegan. And I've never ever tried to push being vegan on him, but I've noticed him making small changes like cutting out cheese and eating less meat just by being with me. And I think that me not pushing veganism on him has actually made him want to make more changes for himself. I definitely think that in a few years he would be fully vegan! It's a slow genuine transition but it's better than a failed quick transition that he does in order to please me :)

[@angelemmanuelperezmuniz1474]

This is an important topic to speak about. Thanks for bringing it up. This will help me a lot when I'm around the people I care about.

[@amg6854]

I've been married for 22 years, went vegan 3 years ago and hubby will probably never, ever do so. It's nice to see how you guys work and are working all this out.

[@carlacookingvegan]

Liz you can eat whatever you like. Im still a fan and I will still be watching. Plus I trust your tastebuds more than Duncan’s 😂. The vegan products I have tried, I have tried them because you approved them. 😊

[@CardboardTriangle2]

My fiancée is not vegan and loves animal products. I try to cut out most/all animal products out of my diet. She has already agreed to give up milk and switch to plant based. This really helped a lot.

[@theaishaexperience]

My husband and I are transitioning to a plant based diet 1st for health reasons. I grew up vegetarian and have already seen the gruesome videos and I have no plans to watch anymore. I don't agree that all people who are not vegan are cruel and uncaring. We currently get our eggs from my husbands uncle whoes chickens are happy, healthy, and well cared for. The eggs are more expensive but I know that they are not tortured or hurt or sick and the production of those eggs are not negatively affecting the planet. I don't think that my husband will ever be 100% vegan for the rest of his life. So we have already agreed when we are in a place to own some land we can grow the eggs and meat that he would want to consume. I feel like a lot of vegans lose sight of the fact that the main objective should be having healthy happy people and a healthy happy planet for the people who will come after us to live in. Yes having animals that have lived a good life in are healthy and happy before they are consumed I feel is important. But not supported in Industry that negatively affects the planet is the most important to me. Internet vegans these days get so lost the negative images of the hurting animals that they stopped caring about the people.

[@lailaylen]

Great video! Love you guys. It's always great to get to know more about other people's experiences and points of view.

[@charity4661]

I think you guys handled these comments very well. Thank you for being supportive towards people going in the right direction, Meat free. I just finished my veggie lunch while my husband had chicken btw.

[@boujeepineapplezzz]

I'm so sorry someone posted something like that 💔😭. You two are inspiring to others. Do NOT ever let anyone disrespect your relationship. You guys are so sweet and amazing. 💜❤💜❤💜❤ *drops notebook walks away*

[@luxconcept]

Thank you for making this video. I was also wondering how you make your relationship worth with such different worldviews. My partner is basically the Liz in our relationship and I’m the Duncan. I don’t know if I would call her vegan-ish because fundamentally she doesn’t see anything wrong with using animals, or exploiting their bodies which is obviously not in line with veganism. It seems like they both are just eating a plant-based diet 99.9% of the time. But to say they are almost vegan, is not necessarily true. Because again, they think it is OK to use animals for their own benefit. I don’t say this in a hateful way, as I’ve already said my partner is not vegan either and I love her so much, but like you Duncan, I would absolutely adore it if she were to become truly vegan in all senses of the word.

[@divinelightforall6711]

luxconcept Perhaps it would be most appropriate to write Duncan (vegan) , Liz (_ _ % plant based, not vegan)...

[@sarahstumpf7896]

hi ok so what I was thinking about is that i think the reason why liz is saying she isnt vegan yet despite eating mostly vegan is that it comes with this pressure of like "forever" like day to day you can eat vegan but sometimes the thought of like once you label yourself a vegan means you can now NEVER have mozzarella again or something and i know this isn't technically the "vegan" way but like what I say for myself is I am a vegan I am a vegan now but I do not think about the future things could (i don't plan on it) change and that makes it more of a calm decision to be vegan when its I am choosing to be vegan each bite i take not 10 years from now etc

[@soyouredatingavegan]

I think you are on to something here

[@Mequiem]

When someone asks about me being vegan I just answer that I think there is no other option for me because that's how I feel about the world. I don't give more explanation if someone isn't interested in asking about it. We choose to be vegan that does not mean everyone will choose it. I respect that even though it hurts my feelings but that how it is. If someone asks i get into detail and I try to explain my points of view on veganism. I am not vegan to try to turn everyone around me into vegan I'm vegan because I care about animals. You can educate people on many things but it doesn't mean it will change them. That's a thing with almost everything. It's hard to change some habits even if they are hurtful for ourself and others.

[@ChelseaH1022]

This is such a good video. Thank you for being so open and honest. My husband and I are both vegan but we have many other areas of our marriage that we have to constantly communicate about. A tricky situation that I have to navigate with love and compassion is my mother in law feeding our son animal products. It's a lot of figuring out boundaries just like y'all touched on. Again, thanks for the great video!

[@amandaschreiber8148]

Thanks for the refreshingly mature response. Liz seems like a pretty cool person and I still can't believe when any of your videos get a thumbs down.

[@VeganLiving247]

Just wanted to add I’m enjoying all the conversations that were sparked from this video too. They haven’t gotten TOO heated...yet.

[@kimpoxon6242]

Love you guys so much! I always remind myself that everyone is on his/her own journey and I have no place to judge.