How Wilbur Soot Lost His Entire Audience In 1 Month

[@InternetAnarchist]

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[@ztylechasa]

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[@War-enthusiast]

Oh cool

[@velpyyyy]

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[@tabzaofficial]

You deserve even more, congrats dude!

[@thatonekidattheparkthatyou9952]

Love you bro, your vids are awesome!

[@ArmusPlays]

“Don’t worry, he doesn’t bite” The person in question:

[@JimBambi]

GET YO F**KIN DOG it don't bite YES IT DO!!

[@Cytrexss]

bro gave his victims rabies 😭

[@Teriiiyakiii]

Bro is a vampire

[@SmithNLesson]

bdsm is weird huh?

[@codbus7651]

@@SmithNLesson always has been. kinda why it has its own name and isn't called normal.

[@syd5008]

I personally don’t think Wilbur will be able to “disprove” Shelby and Alice’s claims, he has said himself “I’m not a good boyfriend” and other streamers have had video evidence of him biting them, it makes me sad to think about how the fans thought that is was a cute quirky behavior when it was this serious

[@AnglosArentHuman]

It's the biting other streamers that really sells it for me. Like, if you have a choking kink you don't go around asking your friends to choke you as a "joke". Dragging unknowing people into your kinks is the absolute worst kind of coomer behaviour.

[@lovxlydogz2174]

A form of affection should never cross the boundary of making the other partner uncomfortable, or injured.

[@troymagpantay1365]

@@xaodragon1597 Yeah but to the point of injury, and regular on a regular basis no less, he was doing that intentionally and that's something that can be seen as a form of abuse. I'm willing to take a nibble from a friend, but if they bite me too hard, after the tenth time, it's either ending the friendship or no more hugs. or any form of keeping them from biting me even if they would be embarrassed by it(Grabbing their face and keeping them away from me). I wouldn't want to hit them, but if I was the biter I would expect a few hits would come eventually.

[@Shovel________________]

@@xaodragon1597 for some people that might be fine, but affection isnt supposed to hurt. you dont go around throwing haymakers at friends and family for affection

[@MasterTemplar781]

I mean...... yeah no i'm not gonna try to defend him. Like everyone is against him... his mods, his fans, his haters, his ex-girlfriends, his friends like this is everyone coming together to fight against Wilbur. Put i really wanna know what his parents think about this. Also at first it did seem like a cute quirky behavior. While we did see him biting we never heard them complain. Nor did it seem like a serious thing at the time. But with these claims. It really gives people a new perspective on all the biting.

[@Seed]

I think Will would have been fine if he had made a good response instead of some terrible PR one..

[@Fujiisamaa]

all he did was say "I have mental health issues, I thought this was all consensual"

[@universaltoons]

*My parents said if I get 30k foIIowers, they'd buy me a professionaI camera for recording... literally begging you guys...* ...

[@sachkic]

not necessarily? i mean he's an ab/ser no apology would really forgive that

[@gachatana9656]

​@@sachkic Both sides can be true at once. It can be abuse while Wilbur can be unaware of her anxiety if his proof is real.

[@crouton394]

I honestly didn't think the response was half bad compared to ones made by others. There's no winning with these responses though, no matter what you say, people will just get more upset. It's a lose lose

[@jaime200]

"You must be a lesbian because you aren't interested in me" is fucking crazy.

[@zoe-le3pd]

WAIT WHAT who said that 😭 i had a guy say that to me once too and he was obsessed with wilbur

[@jaxsonneel4853]

He probably said it as a joke and was taken completely out of proportion.

[@dudeboy5052]

there is no proof he really said that. and looking closer, girls typically say stuff like "if you dont like me, ur gay", but not guys.

[@cobeyss]

@@jaxsonneel4853jokes are supposed to be funny though.. I’m a fan of dark jokes but without a punchline it’s just creepy

[@meg_goodman]

​@@cobeyssyes,it sounded like he was a narcissist

[@JohnP55]

My favorite sentence in Wilbur's apology is "I recognize this person has processed and expressed feelings of hurt" Dude jumped through so many hoops just to avoid saying "This person has been hurt by my actions"

[@semideadnat]

Ex: *has said a safe word many times in the past and expressed they are in pain* Wilbur:Yeah they MOST LIKELY expressed feelings of hurt

[@LRM12o8]

The thing that disturbs me the most is how professionally advised this statement sounds. So many long and abstract phrases as if it was from a politician trying to dodge an uncomfortable question. It reeks of doublespeak big time! 100% this wasn't written by Wilbur himself, this was written by hired communication expert or a lawyer even. So at the very least, he has zero confidence that he can refute the claims on his own, despite his "evidence" that he probably should show if it was any good... 🤔

[@semideadnat]

@@LRM12o8 it's very much PR statement

[@SmithNLesson]

cant control a crazy persons response to actions you made

[@semideadnat]

@@SmithNLesson wait what?

[@Trident_Gaming03]

On one hand, there's "innocent until proven guilty" and the people saying they shouldn't take the victim's side first On the other hand, Wilbur admitted he was the one Shelby was talking about, had a horrible apology, and didn't disprove anything

[@gemmaphobic6233]

plus all their close friends taking shelby's side. this is significant because they probably have first hand experience on will and shelby's relationship. on top of that, even, is all the other allegations against him from other people speaking up. like alice's, rue's (tommy's former roommate) and minx's.

[@emiofnnc]

@@gemmaphobic6233 tbf all those people that outright took shelby's side are now clowns since some of them also took caiti's side in George's situation all of which have now been disproved and blew over. but tbh there is just so much shit coming out abt Wilbur and so much cirumstantial evidence he is probably guilty of a lot of it

[@Spork9000]

Honestly if he stayed silent, he would’ve had a better chance. He kinda fucked himself over ngl

[@asmodeus8053]

That is wrong. For child sexual abuse (for the pedo word part), 2-10% of cases are false allegations (Source: Neil Davis Law Firm and the Leadership Council on Child Abuse & Interpersonal Violence) but, Neil Davis Law Firm also states that many fake child sexual abuse cases are made during divorce settlements. Now, unless youtubers and celebrities are going around getting divorced with a bunch of people, the 70% of false allegations mentioned are irrelevant. It is also mentioned in Institut national de santé publique du Québec that most of the false allegations about child SA are not made by the victims themselves, so the number is still irrelevant when discussing victims on the internet coming out about someone being a pedo. The 1/4 number you gave is also very incorrect. 2-8% of rape cases were false allegations according to End Violence Against Women International. Victoria Police states that only 5% of rape cases were false allegations. I don't know where you got this 1/4 number but I would like to see your sources. Here are mine: www.police.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-01/FINAL-factsheet-for-web-Challenging-Misconceptions.pdf evawintl.org/best_practice_faqs/false-reports-percentage/ www.inspq.qc.ca/en/sexual-assault/fact-sheets/false-allegations-child-sexual-abuse www.nealdavislaw.com/blog/sex-crimes/false-child-sex-statistics/ @SordidusFellatio

[@rsandiford]

Im firmly for guilty until proven innocent when it comes to abuse or sexual abuse

[@g3_]

Nobody would ever think that Wilbur’s career would end terribly like this…

[@Bugretti]

I swear if they have more then 5 Minecraft video on they're channel there is a 95% chance your career end horribly

[@SebbyDoesStuff]

DanTDM remains in the 5% 🗿 @@Bugretti

[@neoieo5832]

@@Bugretti guess cancer is horrible

[@Jasdewisafarmer]

Its minecraft youtuber it was inevitable

[@lvrsrk]

​@@neoieo5832it is horrible

[@chytry6302]

bruh i wasn't paying attention to this community for like half a year and this happend.

[@Mac-and-cheese630]

Fr 😭 I was like: “That escalated quickly.”

[@mitskifan4lifeand4ever]

Ikr, I looked up qsmp for no reason just today and found out this 😭✋

[@luvlixie.143]

real wth i left this fandom like a few years before techno died

[@wordman9371]

Same lol

[@arandomeronyoutube1145]

I stopped several months ago watching the DSMP, now this whole thing happened and now i regret it 😭😭

[@rubub8455]

The DreamSMP members really fell apart since Techno's death 😭😭

[@Raine.in.love.]

Fr it sucks

[@purplenutria1351]

just 2, the last one is such a reach is even funny to read some terminally online people

[@watermelonfrog1756]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT DSMP

[@bear3616]

@@cellosiiax5161it’s try though

[@dsdsdds693]

@@cellosiiax5161 imagine

[@Bulka_-gz6ug]

In what crazy times we live to see the word "abuse" censored

[@Femboy671games]

2024 KZbin time baby !

[@Michael_00006]

Probably worried about monetisation perhaps

[@Zorro9129]

@@Michael_00006 I hate it

[@Bulka_-gz6ug]

@@Michael_00006 that's what I mean

[@robertgaudet7407]

Algospeak is only necessary when making content for children. Any adult deploying it is sus no cap.

[@therealgigaguy]

Video summarized: he abuse people, bad apology, people mad

[@calicobagels]

Great summary 👍

[@Sweellyy]

ty u saved ma time 🙏

[@Bella72882]

Thanks, I am kinda lazy to watch the vid since it's 3 PM

[@IanChristopher]

I'm interested in the topic but the videos are always too damn long, thanks for the summary

[@gday2000]

it wasn't even an apology though

[@Poopmaster123-y1e]

Crazy how after Technoblade was the one who talked about hating women and killing orphans yet he was the most normal person there

[@chocolatez9042]

just a small correction: hes never said anything about hating women as far as i remember, just orphans

[@arsdago8121]

​@@chocolatez9042 he did say smth like it on the dsmp iirc, specifically during the manberg arc where schlatt was taxing nikki for being a woman. i think he said "you guys hate women over there? I may have to consider changing sides..." or something like that as a joke

[@jesseshell4222]

who cares. bro is dead as shit

[@ZanderPlayz_]

@@chocolatez9042he did it a few times in life steams as jokes 😂 R.I.P techno

[@CupofJoe4]

It seems like he was the glue holding everyone’s sanity together

[@yvaincallipso84]

What a lot of people don't realize is that many times abusers don't see themselves as abusers and don't consciously abuse their victims. But intention doesn't negate consequences, if someone tells you you have abusive tendencies or behaviour to your partners it's your job to work on that and make sure you don't victimize more people

[@ZwizuCS]

what he did isnt considered abuse by british law, with the only way to justify calling it abuse is by following the dictionary definition, which is vague and not viable to take it to court or any legal means for that matter

[@yvaincallipso84]

@ZwizuCS bro, the law is not the standard as which to classify everything, especially about abuse. In certain places in the US, throwing a drink at someone is assault, but putting your genitals in someone's sleeping mouth doesn't count as assault, but are you going to tell me you wouldn't feel violated if that happened to you?

[@ZwizuCS]

@@yvaincallipso84 give a better way to define crimes than by the local law of their country i'll tell you, it sure as fuck isnt a vague definition made 200 years ago for a dictionary that can be manipulated by bad actors with malicious intent

[@yvaincallipso84]

@ZwizuCS laws are not always moral. Do you forget that owning people was part of the law at some point? Just because it's not illegal to sink your teeth on a strangers arm and bite down so hard it leaves bruises and/or draws blood doesn't mean it's not wrong.

[@ZwizuCS]

@@yvaincallipso84 do you have evidence of this leaving bruises and/or draws blood? there are no scars remaining or any physical evidence beyond what wilbur himself confirmed

[@vertical9029]

Wow, I completely forgot about this dude. Thats crazy considering I used to watch him a decent amount back when he was popular.

[@SaulBadman-wb5kt]

He stopped streaming and started doing music full time after DSMP ended. Same thing happened with Dream. Tbh almost all of the DSMP members kinda faded out of my mind after it ended. I sometimes wonder how different things could've been if Techno didnt pass away and we actually got a season 2

[@RayhanKabir-o3v]

bro kidswastaken consentnotfound and now nibblersoot what is wrong with minecraft youtubers

[@marcokrautwald1886]

so basically we dont know if he abused her and thats it. and it is even unlikely that he is a bad person. btw im not even a fan of him this is just pure logic

[@Nyxion-ml2od]

he's still popular, but not for the right thing

[@RayhanKabir-o3v]

I mean he kinda confirmed it@@marcokrautwald1886

[@markstewart9362]

"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" long live technoblade.

[@zackeeditsori]

real

[@tomatostarz]

damn right 🫡

[@uwu-chan]

What a legend. Gone, but never forgotten.

[@rigby6038]

cringe

[@tomatostarz]

@@rigby6038 incorrect, throwing tomatoes at u 🍅

[@jeffreykelley4774]

As a follow up: Niki Nihachu also backed up Shubble and Alice’s claims, also adding that basically none of the male DSMP members were willing to support her on the issue in the past, which makes Dream’s “condemnation” even more laughable.

[@um8650]

That's so sad but also not shocking, I guess. :(

[@Chibanyuu]

Technoblade too?

[@ñamñam-r7c]

men protect men

[@JulianneStingray]

Dream is a loser piece of shit we been knew

[@SaintBeowulf]

​@@Chibanyuu I HIGHLY doubt techno was aware of this stuff

[@sillydoumafrfr]

I dont feel like people instantly believed wilbur JUST for the allegations it was that he refused to show any sort of proof while Shelby and the other ex had testimonies from friends family AND strangers but he said it was for 'her safety' despite her being okay with sharing a very personal story in the first place?

[@cccccc6667]

He didnt apologize bc he was guilty and he said he had a diff side on the chomping and also said he would make a full response at the end of his tweet. Theres not proof yet for either side. The PR team used shakespear language and it confused lots of ppl.

[@mythicalbeast1202]

If she responded with consent to share *private* messages, he'd likely show them. A lot of words have been said, but you can't arrest people on words alone or jails would be overflowing...

[@cccccc6667]

@@mythicalbeast1202 This shouldve been carried out by police and not internet ppl without professional xp

[@mythicalbeast1202]

@@cccccc6667 10:53 "I want to extend my sincerest apologies for any pain that I caused"

[@cccccc6667]

@@mythicalbeast1202 You need more context and a proper investigation bc theres more that isnt discovered so the police handles it. Also he said that if he did cause any pain. Btw thats not his full response. Hes making a full response soon as he said in the last part of the tweet.

[@Cokamo]

Narcissistic influencer + Parasocial audience. A twitter tale as old as time

[@terrifyingpresence7539]

Especially when it comes to the DSMP where the audience is filled with predominantly stupid teenage kids.

[@nickhalden374]

just twitter?

[@12DAMDO]

unfortunately this is one that can't be blamed on Twitter.. he's a KZbinr

[@unblorbosyourshows9635]

Narcissistic is not just an insult you can throw around. Go fuck yourself

[@StarmenRock]

@@12DAMDO where do you think fans hang out and do all kinds of crazy stuff. its always twitter.

[@horkah6966]

The funniest thing that’s come out of this is the Wilbur Soot subreddit has converted to worshipping Wilbur Wright, the inventor of the airplane.

[@syntheticat-3]

I was curious how the subreddit was doing, but it's privated now. I'm glad you provided this update bc that's the best possible outcome

[@dontknow3886]

Tbf wright is a absolute madlad that would probably like it. God i loce planes

[@harryvpn1462]

Wrong, Santos Dumont invented it

[@eggsbenedict87]

LMFAO

[@Tarazex]

Catapulting is not flying

[@minxyayala]

I had this biting thing to when I was young unfortunately. I started to do it less as I got older and only did it with close friends at 17. I never thought it could be that bad becaue I never would grip and people never told me to stop When I got caught up on the Wilbur news, I had a sinking feeling in my stomach that I could have escalated from this "habbit". Never again. Glad I learned at 19. I wish everyone who was hurt is doing better and can move on.

[@marvit_bot]

Is this a condition? When I Like someone I feel a strong urge to hug them really tight (like really), bite them, pinch their cheeks and sometimes shake them(?) But I never mean to hurt anyone, its just my way of showing affection........ is this bad? Are we the baddies?? One of my exes was also like this (and a bit more than me) so I know how it is being on the other end of this and never thought it would be abuse

[@Kook_604]

​@marvit_bot it's probably a form of cuteness aggression, it's fine as long as you make an effort to make it's consual on both sides

[@CantingCave.]

My ex did this. She was also manipulative, lying, gaslighting. Only now i actually realize that the biting wasn't really playfull. Sometimes when i said to stop she would talk down on my, like saying I can't handle pain, that i was able to handle that before, that it wasnt that hard at all. Was a weird realization i got while whatching

[@vegano5062]

I also do this and it's all about consent. If the person is feeling hurted so i would never do that,because I'm not a psicopath that enjoys people feeling real pain

[@kendall7117]

@@vegano5062 you may not be a psychopath, but you are a weirdo

[@adriankorozan8334]

I hate when people say that there is no evidence when wilbur him self admited that he was abusive

[@GummyDinosaursify]

That's the big thing. Wilbur self reported himself. I don't think there could be more evidence then that. He literally didn't have to say anything and it would just have been swept under the rug. But his guilty conscious caught up with him.

[@sigrid.koppel]

IKR. There is also a lot of video evidence of his abusive tendencies, actually.

[@EyesDontCry]

He didn't admit he was abusive, everyone keeps saying this but he literally denied it was abusive, he said it was consensual and enjoyed reciprocally. What he admitted to was being a slobish person and a bad boyfriend, neither of these are admitting he abused anyone. As it stands there is no evidence he abused anyone, and people can say "oh all his close friends went against him tho", so what? Tons of people publicly denounce friends over allegations, true or not. It literally happened to goergenotfound just after this where people have been dropping him over simply allegations, and he has since proven them wrong. Is Wilbur a shitty guy? Yes without a doubt, he admitted to that, but did he abuse anyone? We literally do not know, maybe he did maybe he didn't, there is no evidence he has, just words.

[@Micahiscoo]

@@EyesDontCry I didn't even know there was any drama around wilbur till now but holy seeing that there is so little evidents I can't believe so many people are turning against him for it, twitter users just can't critically think. See allegation, believe it blindly, ignore alleged abuser because they are immediately bad in their mind Like you said, maybe he did maybe he didn't but there isn't anything showing either side. just word of mouth, which you can't trust nowadays

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

@@GummyDinosaursify I think you mean damage control, not guilt. Wilbur doesn't feel the slightest bit guilty.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Wilbur's whole apology feels like he is trying to meet a wordcount while dodging any way to say that he hurt them

[@endarus6053]

Yeah, it felt like he was just trying to save face.

[@yourboy_BillCipher]

nah but fr id say its chatgpt but its too personal to be

[@goldengoblin8147]

That can't be him writing all that, different person entirely.

[@hiketee6159]

Frankly that 2nd girls thing was exactly the same. Read any sort of Actual Abuse story and this one you will see its almost as if its completely copy and pasted. This happens to a lot of people.

[@DidI-ws3hz]

​@@yourboy_BillCipherNah it's definitely chatgpt or ai with a few tweaks

[@blind_aggression]

ain't no way a guy singing about abusing his partners turned out to be an abuser

[@aperson-vp3ve]

fr..

[@capncake8837]

It seems that Your New Boyfriend is actually a happy story about his ex finding someone better.

[@Stella.22g]

Could you please elaborate which songs are outright twisted? I never even listened to his group

[@capncake8837]

@@Stella.22g I never really watched him or his friend either, but he did make a song three years ago called "Your New Boyfriend." It's about him being obsessed with his ex and being jealous towards the guy she's with.

[@bumblerbree]

@@Stella.22g in 'your sister was right' there's a line 'i abuse those i love, while i ostracise the ones who love me back'. annoyingly it's a good song

[@melissal2772]

"Are we the villains, Tommy?" well you sure are, wilbur

[@PerfectCellJrs]

I feel like we can't trust anyone anymore. Anytime we have an impressionable youtuber, theres always some allegations that either ruins their career or life

[@urmomonion1553]

I swear Mr beast is prob next

[@Nishikant611]

most of the times it's a Minecraft youtuber

[@619tmFALCON]

I think the problem is the internet. There are allegations being made all the time, even if they aren't true, and people will almost always believe in it instantly. Some people really are messed up, and really did do things, like Wilbur admitted to the biting habit, but even the most kind and wholesome person could easily have their life destroyed.

[@nickxenix]

Tell that to the twitter users. They trust the accusers every time. Look where that led to. Innocent people livestreaming themselves ending their lives.

[@urmomonion1553]

@@Nishikant611 yea it’s like a curse lmao

[@LilAnnThrax]

A response to abuse that boils down to "I thought she liked it" is enough for me to know he's not a good dude. It's not "I would never hurt someone I love" or even a denial at all.

[@acksawblack]

Well yeah cause if he lies about it he then adds to the issues he faces. He should have just not responded if he wanted to get away with it.

[@LtLost15]

Wait, he stated his side of the story which was that they both liked it hense her agreeing to a safe word instead of out right telling him to stop it completely. He acknowledged what he did was wrong, apologized and stated that he has been getting help. What more do people want. No one is perfect. He obviously had a weird kink that he later lost control over (which is no excuse) but he saw that it was a problem and got help.

[@zombiichtv6043]

​@LtLost15 I honestly agree. You give people an inch, and they take the mile. And that's on both sides, be it the abuser and the abused.

[@Stella.22g]

You clearly have never been in a relationship ​@@LtLost15

[@riverpubby]

@@LtLost15 except that's part of what made his """apology""" look so bad - he led with "I'm getting help to become a better person," dove into how he didn't view it the way she did and how he was sorry she viewed it that way (note - he never ONCE apologized for any action, he apologized for HER FEELING THAT WAY), and then on top of that there was the fact that she never ONCE mentioned him, instead he jumped to MAKING the "apology" and led with "here are all of the things I'm going through" before apologizing for how she felt. He didn't take any sort of accountability, and he didn't even like, deny it in a way that made any sense. He might as well have done it live with a ukelele.

[@PolskiePieśniPatriotyczne]

Techno was really holding everything together... I miss him.

[@Katy_177]

He was great

[@Maxidonis208]

Techno was great. But what did he have to do with this situation?

[@PolskiePieśniPatriotyczne]

@@Maxidonis208 When Techno was still alive, there were no dramas / problems

[@joebob3683]

This started in 2019. But of the minecraft youtuber controversies, this is tame. It probably won't repeat because anyone who dates him will know that he just doesn't have a thing for biting, but a biting problem. The reason it blew up is that it happened to Shubble.

[@Maxidonis208]

@@PolskiePieśniPatriotyczne There may have been fewer we knew about, but there was still all sorts of drama and ugliness going on. Perhaps it was just easier to ignore or not come across in the first place when we had someone like him to focus on. Also as the guy above me just said, Wilbur's problem was going on well before Techno's death.

[@mikedahuman]

Wilbur: "Biting people is who I am and I will not change who I am" Also Wilbur: "The allegations of abuse, particularly in the form of biting, deeply shocked me"

[@itsanotherhomestuckfanwow9350]

You can never really understand who someone actually is behind a screen, especially a creator. Thoughts and condolences to previous wilbur fans.

[@althealligator1467]

I mean it's difficult enough in real life

[@TheCoffeeCrow]

"my favorite band is lovejo- nevermind"

[@tapijoz]

Maybe not especially creator, because they are the ones that people have very ”personal” parasocial relationships with, and way more of their personality shown directly to camera. So it is almost the only place where people’s cracks are possibly shown. On the other hand it doesn’t necessarily happen.

[@PlatonicPurplePanda]

Okay I’m a toddler teacher and have kids that were biters. So I think I have somewhat of a knowledge of this subject. I know Wilbur and his mom said he has bitten since he was a child, but here’s where the line should have been drawn. It should have stopped then and there. FULL STOP!!! I know kids that bit classmates but eventually stopped because we teachers helped and taught them not to and their parents did too. It’s a normal common phase with toddlers to bite. But it eventually stops, it shouldn’t be continued into teen years and adulthood. Did his mom never did anything? His teachers? Any adults around him? If the common approaches didn’t work to stop him from biting then early intervention should have happened, but I suspect nothing was being done. Adults around him failed him.

[@IAmMutskie]

dang, a toddler teacher with that pfp 💀

[@gemmaphobic6233]

@@IAmMutskie people are allowed to have different aspects of their personality my guy

[@IAmMutskie]

@@gemmaphobic6233 yes, i am a preschool assistant teacher, and I do onlyfans, just 2 different aspects of my personality :/

[@Acezinittime]

if you look into his past he was i think ignored as a child or something like that

[@averagetomfoolery]

the thing is, one of my longtime friends is a biter. we’re both adults. it never hurts though, it’s never boundary-crossing, and it’s a way for them to genuinely show affection/joke around. it’s only done with people who they know are okay with it. we’re both autistic, though, and that probably has something to do with it lol.

[@bloopbee_]

"you must be a lesbian because you arent interested in me" WHAT?????

[@lukerubrum5618]

I literally groaned when I read that

[@Inverse_Ace]

It was an obvious Joke, get over it

[@annalynsaysgoodnight]

@@Inverse_Ace it was still diabolical to read LOL

[@DaTimmeh]

​@@Inverse_AceAnd the r*pe beforehand was also a joke, I guess? He said this after getting her wasted drunk, nonconsensually stripping her, and we can figure out the rest. Calling it a joke is seriously f'd up. Ted Bundy was just joking around to, I assume?

[@alinaioana3218]

​@@DaTimmeh wait, when did this happen? I didn't hear anything about this

[@heyimj662]

"Oh nah he don't bite" The dog:

[@JusticeForTheWin]

bro, the chick is making this up XD. It's hilariously stupid

[@Hermes523]

@@JusticeForTheWin fr aint no way blud went from wilbur soot to nibble her foot

[@molliemckellar1]

He’s a human.

[@elliot..5920]

“he dont bite” “YES HE DO”

[@miniiore]

bro went arf arf 😭

[@jetstreamsam8221]

bro why tf are people so weird in relationships... never have i heard someone biting someone randomly without consent ☠☠☠ (keywords without consent)

[@seankelly3540]

fr, like I've had girls try to knock me out in moments of anger, but like that's... well, not healthy, but understandable (I'm fine I'm a fighter and she's way gone). If you're gonna be abusive at least be tame about it ffs

[@AlliumForest]

He did it out of relationships too. You can find many clips of him biting random friends, the ones that come to mind off the top of my head are Nihachu (Niki), Tommy, and James Marriot. Niki actually expressed a similar sentiment to Shelby, where he would bite her until she bruised.

[@Fckterrorism-vr2kq]

@@seankelly3540 To be fair though, abuse is abuse even if the abuser is female. You shouldn't simply let people walk over you just because they belong to a physically weak gender, they have other strengths as well. EDIT: I expected to get dislike bombed and a lot of hate replies. People seem to be quite a lot less retarded than I thought.

[@scientificapple69]

but im hungry :( also is that Jetstream Sam from the hit video game Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance?

[@justnormaluser_3758]

i dont complain when my gf bittes me tho-

[@gokairedwillcipher]

The fact that even Dream criticized him for that godawful "apology"

[@muon1]

Only to be exposed not a week later for enabling his friend's creepy antics, allegedly. But there is no smoke without fire, and Dream + his goons have quite the pile of tinder

[@redwinebryan]

i mean dream has been the target of the whole internet for a year or two anything that would get the internet off his back and directed to soemone else is the best thing that happens to him if you cant beat them sell yourself and join them now everyone thinks dream is an ally because he decided to betray his friend and rat on him thats pretty scummy but hey if i was the most hated name in the game and i had to change cities location and keep my house a secret in fear that people actually attack me and call me a pedophile idk if i was a rat as well maybe i too would betray my best friend that made my boring shltty smp the most popular and vied thing in the world as vince mcmahon once said its just business and i do whats good for business

[@vergilevaderofchildsupport9979]

My man used chatgpt to type it💀💀💀

[@HumanThing-fm6xt]

That’s when you know it’s bad

[@im_bae6673]

​​​@@redwinebryanI'm sorry, it's evident you dislike Dream by your comment but I still have to ask: What else did you want him to do about this situation? He wasn't the only one of Wilbur's friends who expressed distaste about the situation or Wilbur's response. It's not about "betraying a friend" but about acknowledging errors. If you can't see when your friend does something wrong and won't express to them that what they did was wrong, you are a bad friend because you don't wish for your friend to be better. Besides, it's the internet and anyone related to Wilbur in anyway was kind of expected to position themselves about the situation. So, what else did you expect Dream to do and how is this a "betrayal"?

[@GachaFoundFootage]

“He don’t bite” “YES HE DO-“

[@spiderlily723]

12:45 This is actually a horrifying point: consent, especially about SM actions, is extremely subjective. Something can stop being good in a moment and yet, to be blunt, you can't just teleport away from something. From her description (and the second allegation), however, he did seem to abuse the safeword and her.

[@pallasitematrix1614]

It's actually not very subjective at all. No is no (except with safewords, but then the safeword becomes "no"), and that applies even if that person seems like they're enjoying it in the moment. It applies even if they previously said it's ok, and now they're saying it's not. It applies if they said in a different conversation they're not ok with it. Consent can be revoked at any time, and still counts even if you're in the middle of something. Even if that action can't be stopped in that exact second, if it's not stopped as soon as possible it's definitely a violation.

[@momomomo__]

@@pallasitematrix1614 exactly this. i think the original person meant that, when someone revokes consent while something is happening, there are a few seconds where the person will process the safe word and then back off. so technically those seconds could be considered non consentual. if that was what shelby was talking about, it would be grasping at straws, but that isn't the case at all, because, from what shelby said, he did it repeatedly and would go back to "double check" after she said the safeword. if the goal was to keep everything consentual, he'd note when she said the safeword and stay away from that point. instead what she described was him deliberatly going on until she was hurt, while knowing he was hurting her. it's not about blurry consent in this case, it's about someone routinely hurting someone on purpose.

[@PuReMannY1]

@@momomomo__such a simple solution is that she breaks up with him. But that’s too smart of a thing to do

[@WinningStek]

She can recant at any point. Even if she didn't she can afterwards say she did and he will forever remain a rapist. Justice!

[@tracigoode6973]

​@@PuReMannY1 what's wrong with you?? You know how difficult it is to break up with an abuser? They are integrated into ur life. They would contact ur family, friends or release photos if you attempt to break up without any support from others. Plus the emotional abuse to say you are nothing without them. Its like trying to break things off with ur parents. Where will you end up going without funds? Who will support you? How will u disconnect from anyone who tries to give them back ur contacts? It's really not that easy. Its so heartless to say something like that

[@shmeegan_]

bro what is it with minecraft youtubers SPECIFICALLY

[@balls9420]

The good ones are the small ones. Very few good ones get big. Unless they are the OGs and even then there are a few very notable cases of drama, crimes and allegations.

[@grammy_hnng]

i mean their target demographic doesnt really help them on that regard

[@crazy_potatoe0134]

Minecraft youtubers have this weird vibe about them. Thats the reason the only minecraft content I care about now is just Hermitcraft. They are the only one that stay careful

[@ryanhamstra49]

@@crazy_potatoe0134that’s because they are mostly adults and got famous as adults…. Most Minecraft KZbinrs are just the new kind of child actors and singers.

[@q_0191]

there are three types of minecraft youtubers 1: the bad ones 2: the good ones 3: the dead ones

[@panzerfich]

actually felt like a kick in the nuts hearing about this whole situation, i fucking LOVED this guy back when i watched him, i first heard about him through soothouse and rediscovered his channel during quarantine. his videos, especially the try not to laugh ones, were extremely entertaining to me back then

[@sytherwusky]

Wilbur scoot fate serves as a cruel reminder that idolizing creators is it dangerous game because the happy clean image shown to the millions of young child fans hasn't always turned out to be the exact individuals behind the mask and I can point to some other high profile examples in the Minecraft community such as skydoes Minecraft and LionMaker

[@grungepants]

Guys he bit his girlfriend, people are getting cancelled for retarded shit now days.

[@IAmMutskie]

you can kick me in the nuts

[@IAmMutskie]

@@sytherwusky blud tryna make a thesis statement. just make a video essay already

[@vivianagodfrey5084]

Same situation 😢

[@MJAnonymous6003]

Seeing someone I used to respect as a talented musician and a trailblazer in mc content fall so low was devastating because he seems to have deserved it. We need to remember that content creators will never be the same offline as they are on a screen.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

I dunno Markiplier seems to be doing pretty well for like decades now

[@quantumpuddles7591]

his music was ass and cringe anyway

[@stan8479]

It still baffles me that people are blaming Shelby for ruining his career "with no evidence", when she never even mentioned his name. She told the story as a cautionary tale for others, not to send a mob after him. If she wanted to accuse Wilbur explicitly, then yeah, evidence would probably be nice. But if that were the case, wouldn't she have said who she was talking about? It was Wilbur himself who made the "apology" and outed himself as the ex-boyfriend in question, "without evidence", and given that he chose not to show evidence of the contrary (while claiming it exists and could clear his name), it probably means there is none that would make him look less like an abusive prick. Lerix is not a very nice person anyway and I don't think he is right to demand evidence: people tell personal stories all the time without accusing anyone and nobody questions that either. Not to mention, again, that even without having provided evidence, Wilbur came out to apologise. That clearly means that Shelby isn't lying. (Edited my original comment because I was unclear. English is not my first language, so I'm sorry!)

[@riverpubby]

Seriously, that part is driving me up the wall- the fact that she was literally just sharing her story so that others could recognize abusive tendencies, most people having no idea who she was talking about, and then he outs himself in the biggest "cover your ass" post he could have tried to make. and yet people are like "oh sure everyone believes the woman this is crazy" make it make sense

[@salvatorecastellitto1375]

What does your last sentence even mean? It's incomprehensible, evidence for things that happened in real life is just evidence. When you make an accusation (which Shubble didn't), you should provide evidence whether it happened irl or not. I don't know what you're asking for.

[@stan8479]

@@salvatorecastellitto1375 I was criticising outsiders for saying Shelby should back up her story with evidence, when the evidence that he hurt her and ignored her withdrawal of consent cannot exist, unless she recorded it somehow, which I don't think she did because she was in denial about it being worrisome in the first place. But as you said, Shelby DIDN'T make an accusation, so she shouldn't have to "provide evidence", yet this is what people are criticising and doubting her for. Because what kind of evidence do THEY want that makes them have even an iota of sympathy for her when she shared a personal story? In any other context, such as a direct report to the police, yes - evidence is evidence, online or not. But usually when people go to the police or set out to accuse somebody directly, they already have that because they recognised the situation is concerning. Shelby doesn't have that for reasons I mentioned above, and that's why I think it's stupid that people demand for her to show evidence of stuff that happened a while ago. English is also not my first language, so I may have worded myself poorly. Sorry about that.

[@salvatorecastellitto1375]

@@stan8479 The fact that I assumed you were an L1 English speaker just making a silly mental gymnastic is fact enough that you don't need to apologize for your grammar, it's perfectly fine and you have my compliments. And otherwise, you are correct that she is not obligated to provide anything because of her delusions and because of her lack of accusation. Perhaps some are taking her words as especially targeted so that the internet would eventually combust (as it does whenever volatile situations are made public) and witch-hunt the then-unknown boyfriend. Even if she did this with that intention, that still does not warrant a presentation of evidence. However, ultimately, I think evidence of these occurrences do exist, and could be presented, mainly in the form of testimony and digital evidence, as Wilbur stated there was a body of text messages and whatnot, maybe her mental state at the time renders the text messages as non-evidentiary, but there have been people who stated they witnessed abuse, and they saw him hurt her by biting.

[@fahrenheit2101]

Demanding evidence is stupid? What on earth are you talking about? You made total sense until that, very very weird comment.

[@woermonastring]

10:09 this thing pisses me off bc I was in a similar situation. The abuser in this scenario was finally called out and when he finally admitted to some of his actions he claimed he had changed and was a better person (It had also been over a very short period of time). I feel like some people like that can really change, but it my case, this person just got better at hiding their abusive qualities and was less public about them. (I have recently heard of new things he has done, but he was sneakier about them)

[@fetterkeks2796]

Sorry to hear that :(

[@ThylineTheGay]

those that do actually try to change are so incredibly few and far between

[@wynnmorningstar9660]

as his ex said, he's one of those "this is who i am" kind of demons. getting called out isn't enough. jail or hell is the only way they could possibly change or feel truly sorry

[@erdenebayar8723]

if some girl put collar in her boyfriend and thread him as slave you would have just call that funny joke or prank right? ABUSER!!!

[@ugxsan]

I’m sorry this happened. I believe people can be better, but they can’t start down that road til they acknowledge and take accountability cor thwir actions.

[@trash__queen]

For the people who think shelby made it up: she never said wills name. And people literally had to dig to figure out who she was talking about. She has a channel that does dine with a very supportive audience. It wasnt for clout. She just wanted to educate her fans, that's all. She had no reason to make anything up and no desire to ruin any lives

[@vapecatgaming476]

Lol you don't know that at all, how the fuck u say this stuff?

[@abbykhay503]

Booooo!!!!

[@rolosilver3256]

Tf you mean BoOoOoOoO ​@@abbykhay503

[@MrJefferson07]

Can you tell me what he did exactly?

[@joanofsharc]

this. people be so quick to say the one speaking out is just doing it for clout

[@Treble453]

4:57 The biting thing is actually really weird to me because that's how my partner and act towards eachother. It's not abuse, we both are actually okay with it (at least I am and my partner has said they are every time I ask,) it's just kinda how we show affection for eachother. Edit: For the record, my partner and I rarely bite hard enough to cause actual harm and when we accidentally do we actually feel bad.

[@sabrinarosario6499]

The difference is that you both actually enjoy it and know when enough is enough. Shelby was putting up with it, and when it got too painful, Wilbur basically ignored her saying their safeword. He was doing it to hurt her not give her pleasure.

[@Inverse_Ace]

@@sabrinarosario6499 That's if you go with what Shelby said. Wilbur said that the biting was consensual, and mutually enjoyed. So really, there's no confirmation on that at all... Shelby even Said something at 6:21 that kinda confirms that she said she was ok with it at the time... Wilbur asked her about it, and she clearly said it was okay, since it continued. Not really abuse, if they say the biting is okay... There are multiple contradictions in Shelby's story, but sure, if you JUST Look at her accusations without even considering the response, then it will look bad for Wilbur, same way it would for Anyone.

[@mesaplayer9636]

​​​​@@sabrinarosario6499the fact that they made a safe word means the biting was consensual. She did say that he was biting to the point of the safe word which means she needed to make a point that she no longer consented then she can talk about consent to being bit but she never did. She could have also said the safe word earlier. Him biting to the point that the safe word needed to be used constantly is pretty bad but by no means was it done with no consent. And that's backed by what both of them said.

[@strumptavianroboclick5596]

​​​@@mesaplayer9636I totally agree.. the first chick shoulda said stop if she didn't like it and if he didn't, then leave, the second chick basically claimed that he was a bad boyfriend so that's abuse in her world.. sounds more like she was pissed her "famous boyfriend" didn't really like her that much

[@sonarronar3999]

as the old adage goes "tfw the guy who makes male manipulator music turns out to be a male manipulator" 😳

[@sonarronar3999]

@@-BTE- aaaand found the bootlicker. jesus two fucking hours is a new record for finding another loser who took YCGMA way too seriously

[@ConWithUhK]

@@-BTE- why do you believe she lied about it?

[@jtc8458]

@@-BTE- did wilbur send any proof that she lied besides his word?

[@ConWithUhK]

@@-BTE- well, we do have the internet- and many many mnay types of evidence has come out that it is Wilbur, he did do these things, and that he isn't caring enough to prove that he is innocent. It sucks, but Shelby doesn't have to "release" any evidence because there are videos and comments already that prove he is guilty, if you do the research atleast. I was 50/50 on this situation UNTIL the video of Niachu resurfaced. Even then I was on edge but after doing more research, it has become very obvious he i guilty. Personally, I loved his content, but knowing what is being accused it true, im nauseous at even seeing his face.

[@ragingnep]

@@jtc8458 while im not on wilburs side, this is the dumbest take. its not up to the accused to prove that they didn't prove anything, if i accuse you of murder, its up to me to prove you did the murder you don't have to prove that you didn't murder anyone.

[@paradoxal69420]

Honestly, i didn't expect that. One month in 2023 he just disappeared and i forgot him..

[@sytherwusky]

It’s yet another reminder idolising influences particularly Minecraft creators some reason is a dangerous game to play

[@overlord3481]

@@sytherwuskyuh no... it just means he became irrelevant along with the rest of his dream smp gang

[@justanothercommentercarryo8367]

​@@overlord3481No no, they have a point. Putting people you have no direct contact with in such high regard tends to be unhealthy and leads to more trouble than it's worth. Parasocial feelings, higher likelihood of being influenced negatively and manipulated, and in the event the said influencer ends up being something awful behind the scenes like wilbur potentially is here, potentially trust issues down the line.

[@TheBoiFrosty]

​@@overlord3481he just changed to a new audience with music over minecraft

[@paradoxal69420]

@@TheBoiFrosty And disappeared.

[@Xukkus]

Glad to see you cover this; have been looking for the full story for a while 👍

[@552iscool]

xukkus i watch ur vids, its weird to see you on something other than GD

[@AzHades520]

Foxakimbo did a couple on it

[@turnernatorgmd]

oh my god it’s xukku my favourite youtuber

[@Xukkus]

@@turnernatorgmd wsg thomas urnernator

[@SlugCult718]

5:30

[@sewerratchild]

I used to watch Wilbur's videos, and be a big fan of his accomplishments, so I was genuinely surprised when these allegations came about. I thought to myself; "this has to be some joke. He'd never do that". But the way he responded has changed my mind. It's heartbreaking to realise a content creator/celebrity you appreciated and respected is actually a bad person, but in cases like this, that's what has to happen.

[@TheSm1thers]

How did his response change your mind?

[@sewerratchild]

I realized that his response was simply him trying to redeem himself, merely for pr. basically, i had a lot of hope that he'd properly own up to what he did, but instead, he went down the 'i didnt know'/'it wasnt my fault' route, with no proof, minus his word.@@TheSm1thers

[@ManFromChicago]

The thing that is dumb is that Shelby never gave any confirmation that it was Wilbur she was talking about until he admitted it was him. He had only been called out by some people and wasn’t forced to respond. The best case scenario for him would’ve just been to stay silent on the matter and let a few fans go instead of losing 100’s of thousands of subscribers

[@muffei]

wilbur confirmed it was him lol. edit: chill, by this I meant he threw sand on himself when he revealed that, im not good at english ok 😔

[@mikehawk486]

Do you not read the whole comment?

[@muffei]

@@mikehawk486 who me? im just saying wilbur confirmed that shelby was talking about him when we all were clueless if it was him

[@LateBandwagon]

@@muffeibro you have legit brain rot lol😂

[@IceNineThrills]

​@@muffei that's what the comment said

[@revelare_xvii6269]

I’ve known Wilbur since his days on Soothouse, I never imagined he’d fall from grace this hard.

[@marcywumarmar2633]

He hasn't the internet's making whole deal of someone elses life again like it always does and it's getting out of hand

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Man, I miss Soothouse a lot. I hope the rest of the house is doing well.

[@missaniebananie6473]

@@marcywumarmar2633 allegations like this need to be taken seriously, and people who do bad shit deserve consequences. It feels like a bad take to say that “people are sensationalizing the lives of celebrities for entertainment” is a bad take in this case. He BIT them, he abused them, he committed literal crimes.

[@marcywumarmar2633]

@@missaniebananie6473 ok but not only as a victim myself of false accusations and knowing psolle who also went threw that stuff that shit ruins people's lives. And people are legit getting mad over not there lived. If shouldn't be up to the damn internet i tr s for them to discuss and even then why hes being a accused of are all signs of MANY OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS both him biting and him being a on loving and off loving person are both things people with autism and adhd (depending on the person) also has to deal with on a daily I mean for me and my partners i love them sm but time moves weird for me and i forgot huge chuncks of time. I hate how people dontkeep there shit to themselves only. Legit they are not dating anyone anyways, he was BITING HER A LITTLE TO HARD and going on and off they werent right for each other I don't know why people cant just leave it at that but no- the internet saw another really popular personneith problems of his own and used that to screw him up. And I'm not even just saying this this is something the internet is consistently known for. Being way to much and shit. Like- SEVERAL people kept trying to dox corpse even tho he did Jack shit. It got so problematic and he had to focus on his mental health. Dont you see what I'm saying ? The internet is cruel even more so when people do things on it and they say there personal lives. I just dont get it there not in a relationship anymore so even if it was a abusive . Then guess what , no more abuse. But the internet doesnt evene have any evidence hes really a bad guy but instead of letting THEM talk about it. People are hating and doxing a guy that was never proven to he guilty all he excepted was him biting wich I honestly dont think is that crazy. If he consistently bite threw blood to the point were she even now has scars from it maybe but just biting and being distant sometimes.

[@marcywumarmar2633]

@@missaniebananie6473 biting even more so in a constant is also signs of stress even more so if it was something he didn't when he was young WICH HIS MOTHER CONFIRMED. But no instead of thinking logically people AUTOMATICALLY thinks "oh you bit someone ?!?! You must be doxed and you dont deserve a channel CAUSE YOU BIT SOMEONE." LIKE HOW CHILDISH IS KZbin AT THIS POINT. HE DIDNT SAY SHIT OR GIVE HIS EVIDENCE Cause THATS THERE PERSONAL CONCO AND IF HE DOESNT ACTUALY NEED TO LEGALLY HE WOULD RATHER THERE CONVOS TO NOT BE FUCKIN LEAKEd

[@SUNDEREDBREAK]

The editing is immaculate, the commentary is great, you are truly one of the best

[@jeypatel2520]

The best? THE BEST?!??! THIS PERSON KEEPS MAKING STUPID VIDEOS MAKING ME FEEL GUILTY FOR EVER SUPPORTING ANYONE!!! I LOOKED UP TO WILBUR, AND I AM TRYING TO MOVE PAST THAT, BUT THIS BITCH KEEPS MAKING VIDEOS ABOUT IT, REMINDING ME THAT THE PERSON THAT I ONCE LOOKED UP TO IS AN ABUSER, AND MAKING ME FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT!!!! SO SURE, HE IS THE BEST, BECAUSE MY EMOTIONS DON’T MATTER!!!!!!

[@thetruehispanicchipmunk690]

How do people accuse Shelby of lying? What's the point of making up allegations about someone if you're not even gonna state who they are? You have to do an incredible amount of mental gymnastics to think she would make it up, when she left him anonymous.

[@skizzorzombie]

Its probably those people who think we only believe the victim when its a woman which is so insane??

[@lisa_vxng]

the amount of people doing that just under this video is absolutely insane, but I guess it's hard to say you're wrong or admit to yourself that your fav MAY be an absolute POS

[@wonyliv_]

she made it out of spite. wilbur abused but he isnt an abuser. people can change. this is being blown out of the water and being dramaticised. if it hurts you you should seperate the music from the artist. im sorry about what happened to shelby and i can only imagine her pain but this is something that shouldnt been made public. its a problem between the two of them. abuse is when the other person does something with the intention of hurting. wilbur just has a nervous tick. a person who has a tick of hitting people isnt an abuser.

[@GettingtheKnack]

@heyitsverii A tick of hitting people ahahahahaha. Gosh you're ridiculous, that's psychopathic.

[@skizzorzombie]

@@wonyliv_ since when did he have ticks

[@PhoenixThatsMe]

I loved Wilber’s music. His song “Since I saw Vienna” was one of the first songs I had the courage to preform in front of an audience on my guitar. It was one of the first songs I sang and played my guitar at the same time with. I didn’t want to learn about this situation, because I didn’t want to believe it was true. What a terrible thing…I feel awful for Shelby :(

[@mr_butters7624]

your high his music sucks

[@Pig_stain]

@@mr_butters7624 Some of his songs are like a 6-6.2/10. For the most part I agree though.

[@gray-rv5vi]

Do you happen to be hard of hearing

[@tracigoode6973]

Yeah I dont know if it's the right thing to support lovejoy. But the other band members don't deserve be getting their audience taken away :(

[@dianaquill9969]

I really understand that. I finally got to the point of being able to play the first portion of Your New Boyfriend on the piano(Yes, I know, old). It's still a song I really enjoy, but at the same time it's hard to reconcile these accusations with how he reacted. It feels exactly how my sister reacted when I stated how terribly she treated me. Deflection from the real hurt, and pretending to care while ignoring the true hurt of your actions. He didn't change if he still doesn't care. But please know that you're perfectly within your right to separate the music from the artist to an extent. You couldn't have known the kind of person he is, but the comfort and joy we both got from his music is real to us, not like the parasocial relationship that's just an extension of that. Take care, thank you for sharing even though some people are being mean to you!

[@iheartmarvel]

off topic, but that thumbnail is definitely a jumpscare 💀

[@marichat_furever]

Wilbur lost all my respect the SECOND he claimed that abuse was consensual. Being fresh out of a relationship where I was often gaslighted into thinking that unwanted sexual comments (he even knew i was ace btw😭) and his possessiveness were something that I WANTED. My heart goes out to Shelby rn, no one deserves this 💔

[@warriorcatkitty]

agreed. i'm aroace myself so i tend to have a negative view of relationships in general... the moment anyone does something slightly over the line is enough for me to completely turn away from someone. also, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Shelby is also on the ace spectrum, which makes me feel for her even stronger. it hurts to know someone similar to me has gone through abuse like that 💔 very sorry you also had to go through that :(

[@aferinx4931]

you guys are insane, your literally in a relationship sexual comments are expected and normal, actually touch grass breath air and get help, wilbur did nothing but make mistakes in a past relationship and his ex is jealous of his new found fame

[@Vase94]

​​@aferinx4931 😐 Bait used to be believable.

[@comlain2513]

when you hate men but still dont like homosexuality

[@comlain2513]

"BAIT USED TO BE BEL-" lmao shut up@@Vase94

[@xtieburn]

Safe words are an excellent idea for any kind of consensual yet even slightly kinky play, but if someone says the safe word you stop _immediately_ , You should do a check in to make sure everything is alright, and you move on to other play. (Its usually best to have a word for ease off rather than just stop as well for a smoother experience where you can more easily learn boundaries, and again, when used, you ease off _immediately_ It is not an indication that you can get away with one last harsh bit of pain.) It might sound contradictory, but the number one rule is that the sub has ultimate control. _They_ are gifting you permission to hold power over them that can be rescinded at any time, for any reason. The moment they do, you are done. Period. (It applies to all sex and consent of course, but is particularly important in such cases because of the additional control and harm a dom can do if they arnt acutely aware of their position in this.)

[@elikfriend]

You are totally right. The safe word is supposed to indicate that something went too far and brought great discomfort to the person who said it and ideally shouldn't even be pronounced. Reaching a safe word situation multiple times means you're disregarding previous instances of going too far. You are supposed to adjust in a way that will ensure you won't hear it again, otherwise you're treating it like an "anything goes until it doesn't" thing which is not the idea behind it.

[@ZatralTMF]

A safe word is something I introduce on day 1 of an official relationship. I encourage them to use it in any situation, conversation, activity, etc. If I ever get to a point where I'm widely known and accusations come up, I would mention this first (not that it would help because cancel culture is one of the worst things to exist)

[@rentf2]

It should just be, "stop"

[@realcripryan5376]

The downfall of the Dream SMP members will be studied

[@voidtectonic]

There are genuinely good people who were on the server. I will stand by the emerald duo. I'll leave that at that. Ranboo is a good guy. I believe Tommy and Tubbo are, too. I'm pretty sure Shubble was actually on the server, too. There are more, but I can't remember names now.

[@ConWithUhK]

@@voidtectonic totally get where you are coming from, but I believe this person is talking about the "main" players aka the more iconic and "well known" users from the server like Dream, Punz, GNF, Tommy, Tubbo, etc

[@Row_of_E]

"You either die a hero(🐷), or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[@honeybadgerbomb4469]

And then there's Schlatt

[@Row_of_E]

@@honeybadgerbomb4469 chaotic neutral

[@riverpubby]

the way everyone was trying to turn it into a "oh everyone believes women" when part of the reason a lot of people believe he's guilty is because 1) shubble never named anyone, he just MADE a response outing himself, and 2) the response he DID make was absolute trash garbage "me me me" that read like it was written by AI. Not only that, but it was FILLED with "I'm sorry she felt that way" as opposed to any indication of "I regret my actions" OR "I did not do this." He tried to ride the metaphorical line so hard that he threw himself in with the sharks.

[@RGC_animation]

Yeah, that one commenter honestly infuriated me more than Wilbur's reply. They didn't even try to hide their hypocrisy.

[@riverpubby]

@@RGC_animation they just wanted to turn it into a “women ☕️ “ thing instead of actually caring about the situation.

[@jake3938]

@@riverpubby Did you even watch the video lol? The reason people said "women" is because they both had different versions yet his got community noted. No matter how bad an apology there was no evidence of literally anything on either side so the way that one is considered a fact over another is insane. Its pretty obvious that even without the apology a man will suffer the loss of thousands and hundreds of thousands of subscribers the second they see anything pertaining to any allegation, its been seen time and time again that even with solid evidence there subscriber count is never the same.

[@riverpubby]

​@@jake3938 did you even read my comment? My point was that he didn't NEED to make the apology. he OUTED HIMSELF. What you say is true, people who are accused of that sort of thing will suffer whether it's true or not, regardless of apology or evidence. But that's a completely separate problem from what I brought up, which was that everyone was calling it an issue of people automatically blaming the woman when HE OUTED HIMSELF. Shubble didn't name him, just expressed advice to others for "hey, this was a situation i dealt with, it was abusive, and if you're experiencing something similar please recognize it for what it is." And he decided that that needed a response (which, not to get all psyche major, but js, that's a huge indicator of a guilty conscience, that he posted that instead of, oh I don't know, reaching out to her in private? Saying "Hey I didn't know you felt that way and I'm sorry" in PRIVATE? Instead he put his name on something that didn't have his name on it. His reputation failing is his own fault in this case.) And on top of that, even putting the court of public opinion aside (which I 100% acknowledge tends to be a thing in cases of "their word against someone else's"), a vast majority of the people who are his FRIENDS are calling him out on his bullshit. Dream's response being to post a public donation to an SA thing definitely felt performative, but his initial response was solid. Tommyinnit has come forward basically expressing "This was not okay and that apology was awful." The fact that a second person has come forward to express that he's abusive should also be taken with some scrutiny, but that's also something to be taken into account. Then there's the list of his friends who have expressed that they saw how their relationship was. So yeah, what you mentioned does tend to be a problem - but that doesn't change the fact that IN THIS CASE, which is the ONE WE ARE ADDRESSING, he came forward when he didnt need to, made a statement that felt like he was more covering his ass than actually apologizing, and threw himself to the wolves when he could have just kept quiet or reached out privately, because he was never once named in this situation until he outed himself. And thus - my frustration that people are trying to turn it into a "Women (coffee)" thing when she NEVER ONCE ACCUSED HIM OF ANYTHING.

[@jake3938]

@@riverpubby What do you mean she never accused him lmao she told the entire story and everyone knew it was him already. People were calling him out before he made the apology he didn’t out himself people figured out it was him after she made the video. All these times the women are like “i’m keeping names secret” and then have pictures with the famous person or something so people obviously figure out who they are talking about. Also, friends going against someone doesn’t have any validity, maybe in a normal case but on the internet that’s just not the case because, all of his friends are youtubers and so to save face have to go against him. It was the same thing that happen with georgenotfound where a bunch of his friends went against him and then he was proven innocent lmao. If your reputation is on the line then you will throw anyone under the bus.

[@DoneWithAlgorithmTorture]

So much for re-watching Soothouse. Thanks, Wilbur

[@MichaelDavis-mh8bb]

Omg hearing Shelby (hope I spelled her name right) speak just breaks my heart. I hope she recovers. I was in a f-ed up relationship, very abusive, and it takes a LOT to not only heal, but to speak up about what happened. It’s having to put yourself back in that situation, and your body doesn’t know the difference. You can hear her trembling as she recounts it…. I’m so proud of you Shelby, I know that was incredibly difficult. Wishing you nothing but happiness.

[@CaeoticFeliciaSoot]

Can you explain to me why it is so good to share these situation? I just don't understand why we have to share all this on the internet, i don't think you should keep "abuse" to yourself, but sharing it on the internet? Why?

[@Kyrou0]

@@CaeoticFeliciaSoot The commentor never said to share it on the internet?? Also Shelby's original video never talked about Wilbur directly and was made generally to educate people on the signs of abuse in relationships.

[@CaeoticFeliciaSoot]

@@Kyrou0 thank you, i never meant to hurt anyone if that is the case, i just wondered why but thanks

[@ambrosesky]

@@CaeoticFeliciaSoot sometimes if people are in a place (physical and mental) that they cant listen to people in their home town or city or family or friendships talk about abuse and no one is around to talk about it and everyone seems happy but them, going online and seeing people from around the world or country talking about how they feel/felt in the situations or just talking about abuse makes them know they are NOT alone and they are NOT crazy. this isnt worded very well so im sorry.

[@CaeoticFeliciaSoot]

@@ambrosesky thank you, i think i understand better now ❤

[@ScruffyMopplidge]

Fun fact: Wilbur is Welsh for "Wheelbarrow", which is ironic because I also hate wheelbarrows.

[@shanechenmusic]

???? why do you hate wheelbarrows

[@ScruffyMopplidge]

@@shanechenmusic has a wheelbarrow ever asked you for consent? No. I rest my case your honour

[@shanechenmusic]

@@ScruffyMopplidge but no other mode of transportation has asked me for consent either?

[@Tea12515]

​@@shanechenmusicyou just havent met the right one yet

[@OneMoreTime-ws9zs]

​@@ScruffyMopplidge consent for what?

[@legend7951]

how difficult is it to not be a total weirdo and just respect somebody else

[@shihabsharar7457]

Dude chill out they were in a love relationship not brother and sister relationship

[@tamakibread1411]

@@shihabsharar7457 excuse you?

[@notfunnydidntlaugh68]

@@shihabsharar7457 woah woah woah what

[@legend7951]

@@shihabsharar7457 I don't think you should ever be in a relationship if you think like that lol

[@nosleepjones4551]

Tbf (and im not defending them) nobody ever thinks their shit stinks the unfortunate truth is that everyones does in other words most people who do bad things dont really realize how bad the things they do are

[@Milanobradovic1737]

Technoblade would be dissapointed

[@adumpsterdiver9623]

as someone who is a victim to a past abusive and stalking relationship this boils my blood and makes me so sad hearing how the girls both explain their experiences with him. some of those same tactics being right on the nail when it happened to me. i hope they feel much better

[@spectre9340]

I really appreciate that the Dream SMP members all showed disdain and disappointment. Real friends call you out on bad behavior, they don't try to excuse it to others.

[@nienel]

there are people doing it just because everyone else is calling him out. a streamer Minx tweeted that people who defended Wilbur in private are calling him out in public. don't trust anyone online and you never know how good of "friends" these people are.

[@noxplay4906]

No, it's virtue-signalling and PR mostly. I doubt most of those people are particularly noble individuals. As a baseline, I always assume people are either neutral or are interested in self-preservation when it comes to delicate situations like these

[@noxplay4906]

@@nienel Yes. None of these people are amazing people most likely. Not mad about it though. Their hypocritical behavior happens to call out an abuser, that's great

[@haydenphillips5956]

only found out about this situation today and I am genuinely shocked to the core

[@driving.me.crazy_]

me too bro, me too

[@ar-tistic]

same. I never exactly watched him but somehow I knew him well from videos from other youtubers. When this popped up in my recommended today I was genuinely shocked

[@thebiggamekiller6031]

I mean there still isn't any evidence that surfaced so for now there is no knowing whats true and what isn't

[@immasnarl292]

@@thebiggamekiller6031 except the evidence of him admitting to the biting, although he didnt admit to it being non-consenual (at-least to the best of his knowledge), in fact he said he has text messages (evidence) implying so, and yet.... he didnt show them "out of respect" he wouldve been much more believable saying he didnt actually have evidence, and even after weeks of him getting flamed and after shubble's followup to his response, and her not accepting the apology, and him losing thousands of subscribers, he still hasnt said anything extra? or shown the evidence? this man is guilty as hell

[@thebiggamekiller6031]

@immasnarl292 i mostly agree, my comment was a bit vague, I'm not implying he didn't do anything wrong, and bitting definitely is a bit weird even tho i know people who do that to (not to this degree tho). Also i kinda get him not "wanting" to release the text messages, the fact that she didn't even mention it was wilbur is probably becaude she doesn't want all that to be public. Nevertheless, these type of situations are always tricky. I just think that instead of throwing Wilbur to the shadow realm, he should be helped to become a better person ( not by his fans of course but more by his friends that are all abandoning him).

[@Lukeslayman94]

This just goes to show that the popular faces we see on this platform thinking that we know them is actually false. They may or may not have a side that the world is unaware about which is terrifying.

[@acuityproductions4142]

Bro, Internet Anarchist is absolutely about to DOMINATE SunnyV2

[@outdatedmeme4963]

Fingers crossed lol

[@Cytox7]

no hes not

[@PurooRoy]

It's not even a close competition. SunnyV2's videos have a lot more visual appeal. Internet Anarchist's videos have too much text. *Edit:* We're talking about who will get more subscribers, not who is better. More visuals gets more engagement, and thus a higher chance of being picked by the algorithm. So stop telling me I don't like reading. If I didn't like Internet Anarchist, I wouldn't be here.

[@salmay4266]

doesn't matter both are great

[@1337awesomeness]

Good competition makes for great content so I'm here for it. :D

[@Colleen13Cats]

I watched Shelly’s talk, or as you would say. And I almost was in tears at some part for this poor girl. I hope that she recovers well and finds the help she needs.

[@wonyliv_]

i think the shelby situation should not have been public. she made it out of spite. wilbur abused but he isnt an abuser. people can change. this is being blown out of the water and being dramaticised. if it hurts you you should seperate the music from the artist. im sorry about what happened to shelby and i can only imagine her pain but this is something that shouldnt been made public. its a problem between the two of them. abuse is when the other person does something with the intention of hurting. wilbur just has a nervous tick. a person who has a tick of hitting people isnt an abuser.

[@Colleen13Cats]

@@wonyliv_ where’d you find out it’s a nervous tick? Even though, yes it should’ve been private I’m glad people know Wilbur’s true side. Also, an abuser is anyone who hurts someone. Wilbur is an abuser. They had to make a code word for it. He bit her on *purpose* . He bit her to *hurt* her. Now, I’m not saying Shelly’s in the right or wrong but Wilbur is definitely not in the right. He’s in the wrong. And also, any hitting or violence in any sort of relationship, if that’s mother daughter, dad son, gf and bf. It’s still abuse. Abuse is abuse if you have a problem mentally with doing it or not.

[@wonyliv_]

@@Colleen13Cats just because someone abuses, it doesn't make him an abuser forever. people can change.

[@kylief2975]

@@wonyliv_ Shelby did not make the video to call out Wilbur, people just found out. She made it to talk about domestic violence and the warning signs.

[@geckohorns1686]

@@wonyliv_”people can change” I beg of you to take a moment to really listen to what you’re saying and realise how messed up it is. He even said HIMSELF ‘this is who I am and that’s never going to change’. None of his actions were excusable, and that doesn’t just include the biting.

[@theminerwithin9316]

The way George was accused of səxual assault and the way Wilbur was accused of abuse seem eerily similar. Both started by someone making the claim that some anonymous guy that perfectly matched the description of a decently popular content creator had done some horrible things to them. The cherry on top is that they both are part of the Dream SMP. The difference is that George was found innocent because the accuser fumbled by twisting her original story to include something much worse than what was originally stated.

[@Coconut_Prrson]

Watching this hurt so bad. I loved Wilbur when I was in high school. He was honestly kind of an idol to me, being cool, chill, creative and passionate, as well as pretty talented. At first I thought "he just kind of has an uncontrolable kink, and shouldprobably get a bit of therapy. As well as him being a neglectful boyfriend" but god that final story, I so hope it's not true. That is way more serious than anything I could imagine himdoing. I am kinda heartbroken

[@notavailableatthemoment7623]

bro there is no evidence. you are not heartbroken, you are a literal sheep that thinks whatever people on the internet tells you to think.

[@Evil_Bread_Manipulator]

As the saying goes, never meet your heros.

[@Coconut_Prrson]

@@Evil_Bread_Manipulator yeah this is the second time a youtuber I admire turns out to be an abuser and a creep (squizxy was the first)

[@Veniceisforsinners]

twitter disproved all of the allegations time and time again and evidence is piling up against Shelby, from lack of bruises in the specified time period according to streams and pictures to people even finding evidence for Shelby being the abusive one, soon enough she'll be publicly discovered as a liar. and what was disgusting on her side was airing out his living conditions. how was that important to the story? and no one forced her to stay, she's a middle aged woman not a dumb teenager. the living conditions could be because of depression or just the fact that he wasn't at home and on tour, and ant infestations are incredibly common the UK. plus, the fact that she said he locked her in the house for days is just blatantly wrong because she could've gone out the window or called a friend or the police, and about the bruises, if they were that bad surely she would've taken pictures. in most pictures that they're together from the time period they dated Wilbur is the sad one, on the premise that we know what his real smile looks like. she was also mad at him for him deciding that he doesn't wanna get married without asking her and about his lack of wanting for children.

[@astra95r]

Yeah, same :/. I found out though Eret's Discord about this. And I couldn't belive what I was reading. I just kept looking over and over, hoping I missread it, but nope. It's real. He actually did this. I usually don't watch these kinds of videos or any drama videos, but I had to watch at least one because I'm still in shock. I hope he suffers as much as the victumes did, this is actually so messed up

[@callbettersaul]

16:02 "If youtube news channels monetize off of my trauma imma be 😡" Internet Anarchist: 😶

[@ImperialCub]

RIGHT???? I fucking wish people didnt feel like they need to report on EVERYTHING and respect what the victims themselves want. This is so scummy to do. He only cares about the views this brings

[@joshpepper902]

I wish these types of videos just... weren't monetized. when you're dealing with a topic as sensitive as this it IS monetizing the trauma of others. then again so many other sources do this so it's seen as acceptable 🤷‍♂

[@Skeetawn2ndacc]

what y'all gonna do about it it's not like it's illegal

[@ImperialCub]

@@Skeetawn2ndacc Can't do anything except call out the bullshit lol

[@kinggoosy4183]

​@@ImperialCub Its a news channel. All news reports on trauma. Shubble making this public was insanely unproffesional. She should have dealt with this internally, or at least confronted Wilbur about his abuse. She made the abuse public. She is the reason it is being reported. In a perfect world everyones wishes would be respected, but if you havent noticed.

[@settings66]

i'm disappointed, wilbur.

[@alvindognicky1]

how did nobody reply to this????

[@ShadowGuilts]

wtff

[@thebrosgame8682]

these are just aligations there has been no proof for either one. although his response wasent the best way of going things, what happend to innocent until proven guilty.

[@louis2879]

what???

[@louis2879]

@@thebrosgame8682 do you see that comment is from wilburs first channel?!

[@Bayzil_Draws]

7:31 BITING!?!? What is he a freaking vampire!!!???!? I’m so glad she got out of that

[@flashgamer-hu8ok]

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO

[@kissestoyouiskisandyou]

The zombies… are coming…

[@Chocolate_Addict-]

Bro really said bleh bleh bleh 😭

[@lvl30dragon]

it's a genuine thing, i don't do it but i know of other people who do, not all are men.

[@Chocolate_Addict-]

@@lvl30dragon Vampires are real :O

[@Yozhiz]

As somebody who has once supported Wilbur since Soothouse and his earliest streams, this really hurts

[@MayMoment_]

Yeah, i fell off his vids when everything went to minecraft but its crazy to see the fall from grace.

[@murchhonaa]

Real.

[@Kyrikrliy]

Same, i somehow completely missed all this drama since i only watch his stuff on youtube and got really confused why he didn't upload for months, and now i get hit with all of this drama out of a sudden

[@wonyliv_]

i think the shelby situation should not have been public. she made it out of spite. wilbur abused but he isnt an abuser. people can change. this is being blown out of the water and being dramaticised. if it hurts you you should seperate the music from the artist. im sorry about what happened to shelby and i can only imagine her pain but this is something that shouldnt been made public. its a problem between the two of them. abuse is when the other person does something with the intention of hurting. wilbur just has a nervous tick. a person who has a tick of hitting people isnt an abuser.i think the shelby situation should not have been public. she made it out of spite. wilbur abused but he isnt an abuser. people can change. this is being blown out of the water and being dramaticised.

[@MayMoment_]

@@wonyliv_ you're defending an abuser you know

[@Wobbmin]

I feel really bad for Tommy. He looked up to Wilbur like an older brother ever since he was 15 and now this happens.

[@asdfdsf-s4u]

Willba and carson is my spirit animal

[@kadenlance6008]

Ngl that transition from your channel to Wilbur’s was clean af

[@Nolek15]

Faacts I need to get his editing skills

[@Krisnina]

I saw that and had to play it three more times. Glad someone else appreciates that too. SOOOO clean

[@goodnamepleaseplease]

@@Nolek15 you sure do (i have never seen any videos from you)

[@bartligtvoet]

im watching this rn and i just saw your subs go from 999k to 1mil, good job mate, am proud of you

[@gaze1ngm0rph1c4]

Remember, KZbinrs are entertainment. What you see on screen may only be a facade, and their true nature could be unknown to the public. Never hold a connection toward a KZbinr or grow attached. Because at any moment, they could turn for the worst. Unless proven they are a genuine and nice person, they are nothing but entertainment. Sympathize for the victims, discard and stop supporting the abuser, move on to the next. “Don’t weep for the stupid, you’ll be crying all day.” - Alexander Anderson

[@concept5631]

Appreciate the Alexander Anderson quote.

[@antikovt]

The most painful part about all of this is that he didn't really have that much of a facade. He was always pretty public about his personal/mental problems, which I used to really admire him for, we just thought it was all sort of a cautionary tale or a persona... Nope, it was just straight truth.

[@raiden_from_metal_gear]

​@@antikovtthe lesson here is that even an open book has things to hide

[@dandelion1623]

Being a fan of Will for over 2 years, I was genuinely in shock when the news came out. Both my sister and I were charmed by his personality and talent, only to realize it was just a cover for his terrible actions and narcissistic nature. It’s just crazy how horrible people can be while still being able to pose as an “idol” for others

[@dandelion1623]

Ngl, it’s really sad to see him go down as someone who used to be a fan. Will inspired me to join my school’s drama club and take up playing the drums, and I just can’t look at my life the same way again. All that said, abuse is absolutely unacceptable no matter in what way, shape or form, and all the support to Shelby 🧡 I think Will really deserved this

[@ilyHaloE]

are u sure u even watched the video? shubble has no proof it could all just be a scam

[@Pavle._.]

@@dandelion1623 i still didn't see any evidence that support Alice's or Shubble's stories tho. There has been numerous counts of false accusations against men

[@liv-w2o]

@@ilyHaloEhe admitted to biting her AND apologized tho? also, shelby never named him. twitter found out who it was on her their own, she was just venting about something that happened to her. like there could be a possibility shes dramatizing a bit but 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@GenericHuman54]

@@liv-w2o I mean, he made the claim that it was consensual, which matches up with her initial opinions of his biting. The two individuals have their narrative drastically diverge after this point so it would seem to me that there was terrible communication in this relationship - communication goes both ways.

[@nessarolla]

I used to watch Soothouse especially for the reddit readings. So sad it was abondoned.😢

[@ωις-λ3π]

Those Bulgarian property ad reads were great too.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@ωις-λ3πthat vid was formative for me

[@ajw20]

I still miss SorrowTV. Soothouse is doomed now, but I hold out hopes that Sorrow may return someday

[@AssassinDevil34]

@@ajw20agreed I remember listening to them in 2018 and it was the reason I made a reddit account to

[@Riftbreaker1]

he was one of my favorite youtubers and I loved lovejoy too...

[@quantumpuddles7591]

Lovejoy was cringe af

[@Riftbreaker1]

@@quantumpuddles7591 I mean pebble brain was good but that's basically it

[@muon1]

As someone who was a fan of Wilbur all the way from the OG smplive & soothouse days, I can only describe this turn of events as the bad ending. It was sad and cathartic seeing the eventual decline of WS and a lot of the figures from the DSMP. The way people are reacting to women coming out with their abuse stories about these parasitic leeches of streamers, these man-children who get paid to sit at their computer and do the bare minimum of "content", shows how we're cooked as a society. Godwilling that entire meta collapses.

[@thomasferri6953]

w non delusional comment

[@andrestamm3395]

AI might actually be our saviour in content this way because AI is infinetely more efficient at creating soulless garbage than humans yet endlessly worse at creating actual good content with some soul to it. Thus discouraging humans making mindless slop.

[@user-ky2hg7fg4j]

People are far, far more sympathetic when it's women coming out about it though. Not sure what point you attempted to make there.

[@Halo_Legend]

Womp womp

[@Halo_Legend]

​@@user-ky2hg7fg4jCasual whiteknighting, nothing worth paying attention to.

[@bullshifterz]

I never followed any of them after the channel was abandoned but to this day Soothouse fucking slaps and i miss it so much

[@ammagon4519]

God I miss soothouse man

[@Kruppuchino]

It was the best Reddit reaction imo. It was just a couple of friends laughing at posts with scottishpeopletwitter being one of the funniest videos on KZbin

[@MeowKiii-]

probably because soothouse was with other actually funny people and not just one random freak

[@TiffaniSpeakz]

i've never heard of this guy, but listening to these girls' story/experience was so difficult. He needs some serious help, not a platform...

[@DWboy14]

She's a lair

[@frost_t8759]

She lied

[@kl0nos]

​@@frost_t8759what?? really?

[@memphisabram6786]

You are the example of hear what you want and nothing else

[@dunemae]

No she is not a liar you morons

[@joel2754]

KZbinr Accused/Found out to be a bad human: "RUAAAAAAAGH CANCEL HIM!" Celebrity accused/found out to be a bad human: "Hahaha they so silly tho omg 😊"

[@consumebeef5900]

wilbur really thought that with his influence he could bite off more than he could chew

[@CSharpDCS]

lmaoo

[@OrionDakota]

This is the joke police, PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR DIRTBAG!

[@twitch_tv_pat]

i feel like a lot of these young content creators get caught up in the aura that these girls give them , and they have a feeling almost like they can do anything and are untouchable. at least thats how they come off as when they respond to it. but then they quickly put on this remorse like oh wow i can't believe i did this , looking back at it , i realize i was wrong for doing it. but would they feel bad if they were never actually called out on it? or do they feel bad mostly because they were called out for it?

[@meatdress8111]

Wilbur needed to apologise to two people when Shelby's allegations arose: His audience, and her. To me, it seems he chose his audience first. I know the influencer dynamics are weird especially with them airing out all their shit in public but I feel like Wilbur probably should have tried to reach out to her privately first if he really wanted to have "understanding of the situation.", and tried to apologise to her with actual sincerity rather than a statement that seems to be apologising to the Internet. I think this apology wouldn't be so bad if he had said he was committing himself to betterment, AFTER seriously addressing it with her.

[@jnicole510]

This. He apologized publicly because he wanted to get his audience back, not because he wanted to try and show Shelby he's changed.

[@jeremyjimenez7858]

Actual question How do we know that he did not talk to her already just in private?

[@jnicole510]

@@jeremyjimenez7858 he could have, but Shelby didn't accept his apology either way

[@mollylikesspace]

"To gain a greater understanding for the situation" BRO HOW COULD U NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE HURTING HER. THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE ARE TERRIFYING

[@spleansorbeans]

Thanks so much for covering this, your video essays have became addicting lol

[@InternetAnarchist]

Glad you like them!

[@sasvkeee._]

the editing in this is flawless

[@Animestan_4life]

This is one fresh video. Also, I am not only shocked but disappointed at Wilber Soot. I hope Shubble and Alice are doing great. No person should have to go through abuse. His apology was even worse like said in the video, he literally made it about himself mostly. Feel free to say your opinions but just be respectful as this is my opinion ❤

[@npastaa]

You didn't even watch the video.

[@Fujiisamaa]

I mean she has no proof so why would you believe her :/

[@TheArbalah]

ai ahh comment

[@npastaa]

​@@TheArbalahmoment video releases they have this shit just pasted instantly

[@hichewies]

@@Fujiisamaa always believe the victim unless proven otherwise *in a case like this* . here, both sides have no evidence, and wilbur admitted to doing it, so it's safe to assume that he did do abuse.

[@dracons3257]

Okay so I'm not the best with social stuff, so I might be missing something obvious or misunderstanding something. But isn't that apology actually pretty good? Like, he sounds like he's actually trying to improve and feels sorry for what he's done. He acknowledged what he'd done, and explained what his perspective was. Is there something I'm missing about why everyone thinks thid apology is awful?

[@cat-nm9rm]

Because he talks about what he did as "mistakes" not as a serious matter, he never mentions Shelby or the other victims by their name, and NEVER actually mentions how his actions hurted people, he just says "im sorry for any harm caused" as if it was unintentional, he's an abuser, idk why people still think his apology was good, it was awful, his apology was filled with self pity and narcissism

[@some_on-3]

He's also didn't admitting he hurt them. Saying it was "playfully" and "mutually enjoyed" when it wasn't, not actually respecting their feelings of the matter. At first, it sound convincing, a genuine apology. But when you look deeper and read it all you can see those points that showed the horrible apology it was. (Correct me if I'm wrong in anyway)

[@NelsonStJames]

Trust me, the term "good apology" is practically an oxymoron; for most it doesn't matter if you're innocent or guilty because they aren't going to accept it anyway. An apology in 2024 is about as meaningless as a political debate. If you honestly feel you've wronged someone, go to that person and apologize in person, because nobody else has a f'kin thing to do with it. Public apologies made for private issues is ridiculous, and if we're talking about actual crimes, then it shouldn't be internet drama in the first place, but a legal drama.

[@-brookebugz-]

as a former wilbur stan (i adored this man) DO NOT DEFEND HIM. THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AGAINST HIM, and he has ADMITTED to some of it. i have no doubt in my mind that he did it.

[@LionelMessi-ll9us]

There is no evidence but everything does leads towards it

[@strifeandharmony6472]

@@LionelMessi-ll9us Admission is considered evidence.

[@birb__]

​​@@LionelMessi-ll9us bro what how is there no evidence

[@hgrogan4953]

...what evidence? Show it

[@LionelMessi-ll9us]

@@strifeandharmony6472 Consensual is not abuse then

[@syvulpie]

Wilbur: "I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I" Yep, it's all about him.

[@EmilyCarter-d1b]

he's the accused and it's his apology 💀💀

[@BabitaDevi-zu7un]

@@EmilyCarter-d1b who is he apologizing to? himself?

[@Finnbobjimbob]

Yeah? It is?

[@call_me_R]

​@@Finnbobjimbob Ew average it's all about Wilbur, it's about Shelby and her story, geting abused, and trauma inflected on her, it's not about Wilbur it's about Shelby.

[@call_me_R]

​@@EmilyCarter-d1b it's his apology that sucked he only said he did bad things to her, and was a bad person butt he didn't abuse her it was consensual and she had "fun" and that he is going to therapy. This is a bad apolagy because they had a consent word and he would go past it he did abuse her, he also didn't mention her name or what he did to her , he only mentioned himself and that's what the comment is making fun of.

[@RinneAvicula]

As the “apology” post was read out, my lip genuinely curled in disgust. I don’t think that’s ever happened before

[@enigmafiresup4658]

You’ve clearly never been on the internet before if that’s the case.

[@bradlo_]

what? 💀 if she literally said she “didn’t feel as if it was violent” then it immediately removes all and any value from her claims, just because he’s probably doing better than her now she wants to come out about her sad tragic story. I call bs on every account, there’s a pattern of stuff happening long ago where “nothing seemed wrong” and as soon as the accused streamer starts reaching their peak performance they decide that it’s a terrible event that needs to be spoken about.

[@vivizwag]

Though I rarely watched Wilbur, I genuinely enjoy his music and some of his videos. Speaking from the side of me that wants more of the entertainment he brought, I really hope he can redeem himself through sincere apologies, proof of changing, and overall just improving his public image again. But looking from the side of me that knows the stuff he has done, I doubt he's gonna improve. The EXTREME biting, neglect, and general selfish behavior is proof that he lacks empathy for anyone but himself and fixing that takes a lot of selfless dedication and understanding/regret for his own wrong doings. Before people see obvious effort put into his care for others, he lost his career

[@raeg1100]

You're not alone in that conflicted state of mind :,)

[@antikovt]

Initially, that was my thought process too, but, as a person who actually watched a fair bit of him before... I'm doubtful. It's fairly obvious that he's very aware of all his problems and not shy to let them be known to the public. He's had a LOT of time to actually do something to be better and he never did. At this point, him talking about his problems seems more like glorification and proudness, rather than a sort of a "cautionary tale", which I initially thought it was.