How WingsOfRedemption's Fans Keep Ruining His Life

Wings is the most documented creator, also one of the most hated. Why?
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[@DubYuhGChoppa]

This is what 90's parents thought gaming would do to their kids

[@Hitmanfreak123]

This is what gaming does to u

[@cooper2211]

​@@Hitmanfreak123 Unfiltered gaming does to you

[@-.-Monster]

I've met more 30 year Olds like this than I care to have.

[@DigitalBe4r]

And this is what a fucked up school system and a bullying centered society does to a kid.

[@JarodJoseph]

Boom.

[@sarahmcfadden8990]

He once said that he wants change but that he won't do it himself, that it would have to be forced upon him. That's probably the most honest thing he's ever said.

[@ZippyVtuber]

Sounds like me with chores and other things, tbh. I have ADHD, and with adhd comes executive dysfunction, which can make it really hard to do things you don’t enjoy unless you either absolutely have to or it is forced upon you by an external force, like say, parents.

[@Oktokolo]

He has a wife. Maybe true love can change his life for the better.

[@tokichvideos]

​@Zippy [Vtuber] I saw something a few days ago that suggested loud music to help push through and ngl it actually helps me a LOT. There was science behind how and why loud music helps people through their executive disfunction but I don't remember. All I know is I just pick a song and play it, either blasting through my earbuds or kind of loud on my phone, TV, etc. Somehow it's been working and triggers me enough to get up and start whatever it is I need to do, which is often the hardest part. Not saying it's a 100% success one size fits all solution, but I'm still surprised it's been effective for me so worth a shot to let others know and it might work for you too.

[@ichwill7536]

​@@ZippyVtuber take your meth and cope

[@ZippyVtuber]

@@tokichvideos Oh yeah! True! It did help me before, the only problem is that stuff like say, cleaning...well you need a vacuum cleaner...and vacuum cleaners are...loud. And I doubt my phone could play louder than a vacuum, or my parents would allow it, or, if alone, I think my neighbors would complain XD

[@whodat1884]

If you spent half a decade plus watching his every move, you eventually have to ask yourself who the actual loser is.

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

Best comment.

[@jlo7770]

"I'd cut cp off around 12" yeah were the ones with problems keeping him away from kids. The last kid he was around (a 3yr) he gave an f'ing enema too. Guess what? He was tracked down and he's still messed up from it. You people are beyond help if you think thats okay

[@jj-vk4tg]

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND I LIKED IT... HELL I LOVED IT.. AND I'D DO IT AGAIN

[@littlemoth4956]

@@jlo7770 Bro what are you talking about

[@littlemoth4956]

@@jj-vk4tg What-

[@elizegood7722]

“He goes through streaks of motivation where he says he will do things, only to not follow through” That sounds just like me when I was severely depressed, trying to end my life _every day,_ was doing all types of substances, never went out, constantly harmed myself in other ways, etc! I wasn’t lazy, I wasn’t trying to get away from people just because and when I made goals or plans, if I didn’t follow through with it, it wasn’t just because I didn’t feel like it or I couldn’t be bothered! We all know Wings is at least, a little, messed up mentally and he’s not been properly or consistently getting help which only makes it worse! However, it’s not as simple as “you’re depressed and can’t do anything? Just go out and smile, there you go; fixed!” If it was genuinely that simple, a lot of people wouldn’t be dealing with mental health problems and a lot of counsellors would be out *a lot* of money!

[@GnosticElohim]

You start by one little positive change at a time. Just getting up and making your bed can change your life. It starts growth of new neural pathways in the brain and can create new positive behavior traits that lead to lasting positive changes.

[@luketalbot2643]

I appreciate the more human stance this video takes. Wings is not a good person, but he doesn't deserve to be beaten back down every time he tries to improve

[@robotgorilla-man6193]

Most definitely. I remember the clip of him talking to some of the trolls on discord and he came out looking better than they did. Their only argument was like "uhh u said 12 year Olds shuld have seks bro" or whatever.

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Yeah. He's not irredeemable. He's not so bad that he never deserves to *not* be bad anymore. This clearly isn't about him being a bad person. That's just the excuse they use to keep ruining his life because their's is so shit. When does this stop?

[@A-TALKING-TOASTER]

@@MiketheNerdRanger until he decides to take his own life Then his haters are really gonna be screwed

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@A-TALKING-TOASTER To people that are hating him as a hobby us. His suicide will be a win. For me someone that says women are now all whores or something along those lines and 12 is old enough, he is a bully himself. Zero pity for this dude.

[@Dale-jr7oj]

@@A-TALKING-TOASTER lol who cares. He’s threatened that so many times and said he’d off himself if he had to get a real job. Can’t be more of a lazy piece of shit than that

[@View619]

As sad as this story is, I think it's also a cautionary tale about what you put out there for public consumption as a streamer. There's so much ammunition people can use against Wings because he's made so many things available; try to keep as much as your life private as possible. Even if personal engagement is a big part of streaming, set boundaries. Clearly, being an individual looking for a community and validation didn't help him. But the trolls should never have that much power.

[@thatundeadlegacy2985]

Trolls only have the power you give them.

[@johndodo2062]

Our they could get a real job that doesn't involve being in the public eye. Their fault

[@hardcoreholman303]

​@@johndodo2062🧌

[@imjustsam1745]

Grifters and sadists love nothing more than a person looking for community and validation. We all want those things but looking for them is like bathing in offal then swimming with sharks. Validate yourself then FTW.

[@braddishv3146]

@@imjustsam1745 Except Wings of Pegasus IS the grifter and sadist here...

[@doombloomers9609]

Wings is a cruddy dude for sure, but his trolls are absolute psychos.

[@thedoge9590]

It's amazing how clowns like you see a short video and feel bad for a PoS like wings.....the fact you are defending a pedo is just ridiculous

[@zero-pantsu-samus3203]

The irony huh, if he was a better person he wouldn't engage with such individuals. The fact is, he is an adult, has had so many chances and blew them all, hard to feel bad for this guy

[@resentfuldragon]

@@zero-pantsu-samus3203 Its easy to feel bad when you realize the trolls prevent him from a lot of change. He can't get a job because of all the documented stuff he did as well as direct intervention. The trolls also even almost ruined his love life through direct intervention as well. Its like he is a hostage at this point, though its clear he isn't trying very hard to get away anymore.

[@arthas640]

Yeah a lot of the stuff people hate him for is pretty normal really. There's a million videos of people freaking out after a stressful or high stakes match and breaking their controller or worse, most people I know have done that at least once in their life, and there's tons of famous commentators who have rivals or people they hate in their community. KZbin is full of people who take a specific game way too seriously or play it religiously, play just about any game or peruse Steam reviews and you'll come across people with thousands or even TENS of thousands of hours logged into a game. Tons of games have wikis with people who've picked apart data on a game to a obsessive degree, even dissecting the games code for data. There are also a ton of streamers who say dumb shit since their whole channel is stream of consciousness ramblings. Really the exceptional part of this story is how fanatical and how toxic his fans are and how devoted they are to ruining his life.

[@defundhollywood3259]

I feel the same way about Chrischan's trolls. Like how much did they enable him into the monster he is today? 😱

[@Marika_ER]

15:50 he got banned from door dash for doxing customers actually

[@Aine_Evergreen]

The really sad thing about Wings is that he’s clearly self aware, and WANTS to change, but through years of feeding the trolls, he’s trapped himself in a toxic relationship with a frankly deranged “fanbase”, who keep him afloat, but ultimately want him to fail. Like he has done and said some really shitty things, but unlike some lolcows, Wings is capable of self-reflection, and only through self-reflection can you change. Great video.

[@Windwalker88]

The thing is, he had many, many chances turning his life around. His fans even collected the money for his weightloss surgery and the guy buys a broken car from that money.

[@commenter9303]

​@@kszwomcszkaszky3291Those are pretty surface level observations that you could garner just from this video, which you are here being "productive" on. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all. Not interested in a flamewar, just think you're a loser for going out of your way to deride a stranger online who has done nothing to hurt anyone. Take care of yourself and good luck with everything.

[@smartyjonez5470]

Still not as pathetic as grown men who still watch anime

[@Windwalker88]

@@smartyjonez5470 anime is awesome

[@Setixir]

​@@smartyjonez5470 I'd take a grown man watching anime over some dude saying the age of consent should be twelve but to each their own I guess.

[@efg-smca]

As someone who weighed 370 lbs at the start 2005 and was around 200 lbsby the end thanks to bariatric surgery & lots of gym hours, it kills me to see someone blowing up their chance. But also as someone with accute depression & anxiety,i understand only too well. Hopefully if he can find a way forward, all the hatred he spews into the world will fade as he stops hating himself so much.

[@batarasiagian9635]

Well done, dude, on losing 170 pounds. Even with the surgery that is a serious amount of work at the gym.

[@childofcascadia]

@Eric Stefen Good on you. Losing that much weight shows how strong of a person you are. It takes a lot of strength to change.

[@johndodo2062]

​@@childofcascadia needing to physically sew his stomach shut is just a cheat.

[@CelticGuardian7]

Great work! It's difficult to have that sort of willpower; congrats on your accomplishments.

[@SnuddeTheGreat]

Big ups my man

[@michaelmarlow6610]

When you pull back and look at the whole scope of what Jordies life has become it is incredibly sad. But when you watch a few of his videos or a stream you kinda forget it all because of his own actions. In reality there’s almost no chance his life gets better without some kind of Herculean effort made to step in and change things.

[@derp195]

Yeah, like getting a job and ending his public presence on the internet. Seriously, that’s pretty much all he needs to do. Get a job where his employment isn’t publicly listed, don’t announce it online, and just stop uploading.

[@wiefdiwbofdbw]

he really just needs to quit streaming asap. Bullies control his life

[@lorddrayvon1426]

@@derp195nfortunately, I feel like he’d be one of those guys people would recognise and then find a way to get him fired just so they can get another mental breakdown and outrage clip to laugh at. It’s a behaviour I usually hear about happening with predators and other such people but it also happens from time to time with lolcows unfortunately. Love him or hate him, Wings ain’t no Spoctor.

[@MWL_TTK]

@@lorddrayvon1426 apparently he tried door dash, or something like that, and the trolls kept calling on him which made his employer fire him

[@DarkSpyro707]

@@derp195 thats really not possible in this day and age where everything is connected back to the internet. unless its literally somewhere thats off the books (which would more likely be shady) and is being paid under the table (which is not a stable form of income), he can and will be tracked. and even then all it takes is for some random person out in the world with a cell phone to happen to come across him and tell the internet where he is and what he's doing. Getting "a real job" is not a simple as submitting an application and showing up in a suit and tie. His real name is tied to his online existence and jobs now WILL look you up. The internet is FOREVER, and for a guy thats literally second only behind Chris Chan in terms of online infamy, no "real job" is going to take him.

[@Gyrannon]

There is some twisted irony with his "fanbase": They want him to fail. But they are keeping him afloat by sticking with him. And the fact that he is fully aware of his position and still keeps showing up for their taunts & cruel messaging, it shows that he will never fail. It also makes their lives just as if not more so pathetic than his life, cause it means they want him to fail but can't get enough of the sipping from the misery that he produces for them - they are parasites living off his misery, which makes them more pathetic than him.

[@Dare107Devil]

my thoughts exactly

[@cjinworldofgaming511]

Exactly. No trolling, no income. Another thing that bothered me is that the clip of him saying age consent should be 12 years old, that wasn't used for anything special. That clip is something that only a mentally insane person would say, sure, but trolls actually use it not to say to him "hey, what you said is absolutely deranged", rather, they use it to deflect anything positive he does. This also makes them as pathetic as him.

[@arthas640]

This whole story does sound a bit like a toxic codependent relationship. He's famous for his toxic stalker fanbase, he creates videos because they get a lot of views and because it sounds like its the only thing that makes him feel special, but his toxic fans are also ruining his life. Like meth he's worse off but cant quit since it offers him some escapism.

[@cjinworldofgaming511]

@@arthas640 Yup

[@LUNATIC75]

He's pathetic, but he punched Boogie in the face multiple times and so he gets a respectful nod from me for that. Of him and Boogie, Wings is the most likely to improve.

[@hjelpen5387]

that is redemption for sure

[@4dchessplayer516]

You have greatly underestimated Richard, he will hit rock bottom again and then sink down below that

[@HankHillspimphand]

I dislike them both, but at least wings tried, boogie did nothing….given one chance to show hes not pathetic and he did NOTHING.

[@Danbo1976]

Im astounded he made the fight. Would have put money on that not happening.

[@blujaebird]

With all the truly awful, horrific people that exist online I really can't think of a reason to extend any energy to hating either of these people. Pathetic fat dudes with no self esteem? There's people like that everywhere online, and most likely taking their self hatred out on these two.

[@dougray30]

Sadly if they did push him to the breaking point, they'd likely consider that a victory. Which is sick.

[@anonony9081]

It's crazy that you can pinpoint the exact moment his life went on a downward trajectory. When he lost that 1v1 match and broke his controller and everyone laughed, nothing would have happened if he just laughed along with them and realized they weren't mocking him they were just laughing at the situation. Instead he took it personally and threw a crybaby hissy fit and ever since then his life has just been crumbling lower and lower

[@games4lifefreak]

Kira is the first person to cover Wings with a level of compassion I haven't really seen with Wings. It is hard not to hate the man, and he has said disgusting things. But the level of bullying and sadistic behaviour by people who hatewatch him is psychotic shit.

[@Poldovico]

Lots of "bad" people are more wrong than bad. This one seems like exactly that type. The sort where you root for them to change rather than fall. From a safe distance, of course.

[@deanbalboa]

He invites it all on himself.

[@MarquisLeary34]

He's earned every scrap of it.

[@tomioka__]

He deserves every bit of it

[@oldreaddy3341]

Some actual cringe people just above me. No not even cringe, just sad excuses for people.

[@JoshTyrReece]

Kind of like the german youtuber "Drachenlord", he is a weirdo but people literally were driving to his home to bully him day and night. Got the whole town against him and pretty much made it worse and worse with Drachenlord falling into a complete downward spiral.

[@Crmson117]

Those last words are haunting, someone that is trapped like that without escape either becomes unbreakable or they're killed by it.

[@Omgacow1000]

Its so crazy to see what Wings has become. He was one of the first people I ever watched on youtube

[@pisstakecentral]

That was before zoomers were around to get online and completey ruin the internet for everybody, people were true individuals and allowed to be

[@wyrdplae8586]

You're a good guy Kira. It isn't lost on me at least that you made a video knowing that there was a chance he would see it and that you made sure to include in it the kind of motivation that he would need. "This is the best chance he's had" etc. And calling out the bullies for what they're doing. Good luck to him. Hope he turns it around. And good on you for taking the high road.

[@AlphaCarinae]

Don't do things that get you bullied and you won't get bullied. It's not hard.

[@joshuavar4678]

@@AlphaCarinaeThere’s no justification for bullying anyone under any circumstances, period. People should never be bullied regardless of what they do.

[@Tunoi_Veil]

@@AlphaCarinae the way she dressed, she was asking for it amirite?

[@AlphaCarinae]

@@Tunoi_Veil Not really. Nobody is 'asking for it'. But the simple fact remains that if you don't make a fool of yourself you won't be treated like one.

[@wyrdplae8586]

What you're failing to see is that 1. What 2 people consider foolish is different so by condoning bullying in that way you just leave the door open to anyone doing it and justifying their actions by saying the other person had it coming. And 2. You just make the world a worse place. There is no positive from bullying that can't be reached by other and better means. It's an act that makes you a worse person along with the person that's being bullied. I've been on both sides and it really isn't the person you should want to be.

[@Shadow_kid09]

Love watching a documentary about a person I had no clue existed til now.

[@problematic_canik]

Bless your heart for not knowing who this fatty is.

[@nunpho]

Samesies!

[@lollllolll.]

There's plenty of people who just learned about after recently he won against Boogie in a boxing match It's important to teach who this guy is to newer generations of youtubers

[@MrMalformedllama]

watch the entire PKA backstory behind him.

[@viderevero1338]

I knew about him from the Down the rabbit hole video from a few years ago.

[@rossstewart9475]

Frankly, the entire phenomenon of the "lolcow" is more repellant than most of the things WoR got up to or said - and he said and did some utterly, despicably deplorable things. Thank you for covering this story with as much impartiality and honesty as possible, Kira.

[@KiraTV1]

[@absi49]

tbh he wasnt impartial at all, he clearly took wings side LOL

[@RapTapTap69]

This is honestly just depressing. Sure he acts like a douche but the fact that people go out of the way to make his shitty life worse makes me sad for him. Are they just pushing him to unalive? I can't understand having so much anger for someone you've never met and can easily avoid

[@mikepike7139]

Yeah some other big youtuber recently put out a video about chris chan and frankly if you look at the extremes some people go to to "troll" and stalk their "lolcows", id call those just as mentally ill as their targets. I mean repeatedly calling them, keeping entire wikipedias of every detail of their live and whatnot? Take a step back and examine what youre doin

[@RapTapTap69]

@@mikepike7139 yeah no kidding. It's pretty insane. Like I get disliking an internet personality but the extent people go to just to bully them are not the actions of a sane person

[@Iceman96051]

I think it's people who have extremely similar lives to him, but use massive amounts of deflection to feel better about themselves while bringing others down. Well adjusted successful people with good relationships with people don't have the time or energy to do something like that. I think you can figure out the people that do.

[@cherrypoptart2001]

yeah his trolls over do it sometimes, like the youtube vids are all laughs but some of them go out of there way to fuck with him irl like swatting him, getting him fired from a job, hacking his psn and xbox acc, striking his channel , false reporting him for animal abuse, domestic abuse, drug abuse etc. The guy is far from perfect but hes been fucked with a lot, i can only think of 2 lowcows who's been fucked with harder than him ,thats Chris Chan and Drachenlord.

[@MarquisLeary34]

He wants to assault people and kill cops. No sympathy. Especially when there are those of us who get similar treatment and don't get to make a living playing video games while doing it.

[@Masterchief12455]

Aaaaaand he’s back to normal. Wings never changes

[@toxicpoizon]

Read a comment on SunnyV2's video about him, and somebody said along the lines of "He said the age of consent should be 12" or something. I don't know if its true, but if it is, theres another reason to hate this dude. Edit: It's in the video.. 11:09

[@jamesdenton6370]

I think as much as we, the internet audience, watch this video and reflect on wings…really it’s shining a light back into us and making you reflect on what you say to people online, and have you always been as kind or empathetic as you should have been? Or could have been?

[@defundhollywood3259]

I just commented something really similar. Totally agree. I also think we can use them as examples of where things went wrong, all of the people making fun of Wings have probably done things in their lives that deserve ridicule, they should take the opportunity to try to be better. There but for the grace of god, we could all be lolcows at some point.

[@jlo7770]

"I'd cut cp off around 12" that's a quote from wings... yeah I'm a bit better then that

[@pisstakecentral]

​@@jlo7770you really have to cite dumb quotes from a mentally ill man who streams video games all day, in order to feel better about yourself... Think about that for a minute if you are able to do so

[@rrramon]

you deserve mad respect for how you framed this video by showing a very nuanced and thoughtful take on the whole situation. he has certainly said a lot of awful things (and has suffered the consequences for it), but people actively trying to sabotage his personal life is going way too far and at what point does that stop.

[@jlo7770]

Sooooo his whole cp take is okay in your eyes?

[@riotsquadgaming7460]

he's been swatted too... that's something people do when they're trying to kill you

[@j.jbinks9669]

What nuance is there to a grown man saying that the age of consent should be 12?

[@wrestlinginmyblood]

What consequences did he face for thinking it's ok to screw a 12 year-old?

[@jlo7770]

@@wrestlinginmyblood feds showed up a couple times as did local police past that they didn't seem to care which isn't unlike the legal system, or they're waiting for him to f up one more time to seal the deal

[@alexliddell3171]

I think that the truly pathetic people are the ones who make their main hobby obsessing over this man's life and goading him into humiliating himself further. I'm glad you made a video that didn't shy away from the bad things he has done and said, but also managed to humanise him & call out the truly vile people whose only outlet for their awful lives is bullying somebody.

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

I didn't bully anyone. WoR did it to himself

[@alexliddell3171]

@@SonyaBladesBooty if you're like the people in the video who I am talking about, who won't even let the poor bastard have a Uber Eats job in peace without harassing him into getting fired, then you are a bully & you should grow up & find something else to do. I don't care how you justify it yourself, it doesn't matter if you think WoR deserves it, all bullies think that about their targets, you're not special.

[@herrscherofshrimps1451]

@@SonyaBladesBooty Excuses?

[@Isaac_619_]

Imagine defending an animal abuser, a child predator and a POS who dumps his friends and drops anyone who doesn't do everything he says cause he's a narcissist. Shut your mouth

[@johngulster7787]

The Trolls are worst than him at this point Wings sucks as a person but you trolls suck more.

[@Crioll]

He's been wings for a very long time, for many ppl who went down the rabbit hole but had to leave because it's just sad, we're all still waiting for the redemption.

[@TheMisanthropist69]

I love the angle you took here. I agree with your take that the trolls have become just as bad as Wings; some of the things they do are truly deranged. Jordie's not a good person, but anytime he tries to change, his "fans" throw it back in his face and just use it as another way to taunt him. It's become a sick, co-dependant relationship at this point.

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

Fantastic video! I love your take on this situation! I’ve always felt like the “lolcow” thing is a really disgusting part of internet culture. Like the people who spend so much of their lives stalking these people are just as pathetic as the person they stalk. I feel like these “lolcows” are generally not good people, and I also feel like using that as an excuse to stalk them like this is 100% wrong and adds to their continuing problem/mental degradation. Both things are true at the same time.

[@defundhollywood3259]

Totally agree. Although I have spent a lot of time reading and watching about lolcows, for me it's more of a way to look at the human experience. They do terrible things, but so does their audience. I'll never really understand people.

[@reenokop]

He killed a cat by trapping it in a bucket, he deserves EVERYTHING he gets.

[@devak45167]

In a KZbin filled with Wings vids this stands out, Kira. Really superb work and nuance

[@2Calico]

I think he has the ability to change like any other person. His attitude over the last couple years has seemed greatly better than his past and after the boxing event has began losing a lot of weight. I personally am rooting for the guy

[@Reth_Hard]

The real question I've always been curious to know the answer for is... Are fat people dumb because they are fat? Or are they fat because they are dumb? It might be easy to say that a dump individual has a lot more chance of not understanding how food works vs exercising but sometimes correlations can be misleading, how can we be sure a high level of fat doesn't affect the brain in some negative ways? The brain is mostly made of fat so it shouldn't be surprising of being affected by this.

[@KiraTV1]

I've seen a lot of his streams over the last year and a half, way more of an adult, but still gets caught up in too much random nonsense for the trolls. That's the last step to figure it out, he has all the tools now being more mature and typically way more laid back.

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@Reth_Hard It's not really a matter of intelligence in most cases, at least not in that sense, more so a lack of willpower in combination with mental illness. People who get as big as Wings _know_ that overeating is the problem, but for a lot of them it's the only thing that provides them any emotional relief and as such they will go to almost any length to deny it.

[@Reth_Hard]

@@yewtewbstew547 You should read a bit about this subject. I'll give you a small copy/paste but I always suggest you to dig deeper and to do your own research... "Statistically significant correlation between excess body weight and lower IQ level has been demonstrated in multiple studies. What was not clear for very long time is the direction of causality. Does the excess body weight cause the decline in intellectual capabilities? Or maybe people with lower IQ level are more prone to become overweight?" - Psychcentral

[@Naetrox]

@@Reth_Hard Correlation is not cause. You may find there are more fat dumb people out there, but there is also a problem with access to proper nutrition among poorer families - if these families don't have enough income to send their kids to college, the issue becomes generational. Understanding food and exercise also has nothing to do with intelligence. Most fat people will understand how they could lose weight, but it is actually quite hard to lose weight contrary to popular belief. It's also fairly hard to gain weight. Some people are fat because they eat to self-medicate - depression, anxiety; many things. Food gives you dopamine boosts, i.e. makes you feel good. If you have a shitty life, it's more likely you'll start overeating to compensate neurologically. Some people are fat because they're genuinely just lazy and don't give a shit. People often assume all fat people are like that, but that's kind of a weird thing to assume. As for the effect of being fat on the brain, I am not aware of any studies showing a reduction in IQ or whatever. It can of course affect you physically, which in turn can affect you mentally. Diabetes and other comorbidities could impact your mental faculties, but not to the degree of making someone "dumb". I'm overweight myself, have been for a while. I do exercise, I don't eat much anymore (undereat infact), and yet I can't lose weight. In my particular case, some of the medicine I need introduces problems with weight management. My metabolism doesn't work really well.

[@Raelven]

The harassers are actually worse, and simultaneously, much more, of what they are harassing. We truly are, what we call others. Edit: I do hope that secretly, it a "fat suit", he is the real troll, and knows exactly what he is doing. That would be a cool plot twist.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Wings' main problem is that he can't stop going online and oversharing everything about his life. The trolls get to his other ventures because he tells them all about it.

[@raywilson641]

If there was ever a moment that Wings could change the narrative on his streaming career now is the time. If he even comes back putting moderate effort into his content and has a good attitude while doing it I think that would be enough. Everyone loves a good redemption story and his way out was in his name all along. He just needs to take the redemption and not fall back into being pathetic.

[@KiraTV1]

Never been a better time, his stream yesterday had over 1k viewers and people were donating him a ton of money. He actually looked and sounded happy. Redemption arc.

[@kumaking5519]

Doubtful, his pathetic trolls don’t want that. They will do everything they can to get a reaction out of him cause they need someone to pick on

[@Nathan_Coley]

​@@KiraTV1 I'm honestly hoping the boxing 🥊 match this past weekend started the redemption.

[@Pooki2024]

Give it a couple of weeks he will be back to his racist/homophobic/pity me cycle, whilst treating his wife like crap and blaming everyone else that he’s put on weight

[@scevvin7788]

He won’t though, because he’s given an insane amount of chances, and every time he’s blown it

[@onaucc9899]

Bro, you should really look into "Drachenlord". This seems really simmilar.

[@sirbonobo3907]

Drachenlord is in a whole different Level.

[@CryptoAtlas]

He started his career doing KZbin content and didn't have to show himself on camera. He built up a huge following and is still discoverable to this day. Streaming and being constantly "in the moment" can be EXTREMELY draining mentally and as was mentioned people are waiting for those moments that the streamer slips up. The internet can be very cruel. Wings did a lot of bad things. I disagree that he's stuck in a livestreaming career path. There are MANY jobs out there. Plus if ANYTHING it would probably be for his best mental health if he stops streaming and just focuses on uploading videos to KZbin again like he first did. That's if he REALLY wants to pursue the work from home online style format.

[@benrig89]

That last clip of him....holy shit. This guy, regardless of how much of it was brought on by himself, is trapped in hell.

[@theuser810]

It is scary how Wings' fans tell him that he needs to improve himself, and then go out of their way to stop him from doing so. This feels like a Black Mirror episode.

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

They aren't fans. They're a mob looking for a car crash. Wings self esteem is so nonexistent he'll take the worst bottom feeders over simply walking away from the toxicity.

[@omegashenron8]

I always wondered that too. Tell him go get a job. He gets one door dashing and they get him fired from it. Like what?

[@deaddan2148]

The entire modern world is like one giant Black Mirror episode!! 😔

[@LunaPPK]

well alot of his trolls are just as shit as him lol

[@Pack_Watch]

LOOK LISTEN

[@aznfattass]

I honestly hope one day he grows into his name. He might not a great guy, but everyone deserves redemption.

[@imjustsam1745]

No, just no, some people deserve to leave the rest of us alone..... THAT'S ALL.

[@Poldovico]

@@imjustsam1745 Why, though? I've never heard of this man in my life, but I trust Kira to report in a decently balanced way. So from what I've seen, my question to you is why should this person not grow? You don't need to watch it, what purpose does it serve for it not to happen? What makes someone else's failure worth wishing for?

[@tigerwoods373]

You don't deserve redemption, you earn it.

[@Elementxchaos]

@@Poldovico Kira is just a clout chaser lmao

[@Poldovico]

@@Elementxchaos Okay? Assuming I just take that on your word, he can do that and still report in a decently balanced way. And in my experience he has done the latter, and I don't really care to make a call on the former.

[@marw9541]

It's weird coming to this video after the fight and seeing he has actually regressed

[@Boomer04888]

I'm sorry, and maybe this makes me a bad person, but I lost any shred of sympathy I could possibly garner for this man when he said he thinks the age of consent should be 12.

[@liliana4784]

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can feel bad for a man being bullied when he says "today's teens are all whores" and "the age of consent should be 12." It's fucking wild to me. He deserves every bit of the vitriol he gets.

[@StarrChild.]

Agreed

[@OneCSeven]

you don’t have to have sympathy for him to realize that the people hounding him are fucking psychos

[@wickedlysyckk]

Sits and patiently waits on the inevitable "DSP" video from Kira.

[@JK-gm6kk]

It's just as much cringe as it is comedy for dsp. Egomaniac on a scale that most cannot relate to, I think.

[@HeisenbergFam]

Wings of Redemption is the definition of absolute insanity who did some shady shenanigans

[@willianjohnam]

This is a sad story but I do wish this dude the best. I hope someday he grabs the strenght and decides to improve his health, his temper and somehow makes his own life and image something more positive. While there's life there's hope, right?

[@mylastdreams3765]

I'll never understand how people get a kick out of treating others like that. That was just depressing.

[@AlphaCarinae]

I'll never understand how people willingly invite others to treat them like this. All they have to do is act like a normal person. That's really it. It's their responsibility.

[@Pack_Watch]

Oh come on it’s hilarious 😂

[@oxymoron02]

@@Pack_Watch You know those kids who take the piss out of you IRL? Yeah, you know why they do it. Have fun, buttercup.

[@Oblivisci........]

​@@Pack_WatchOnly if you're more pathetic than Wings himself. It's okay because I'm sure no one cares about you either.

[@kenirainseeker539]

It's really hard for me to feel sorry for a pedophile, but I agree with the sentiment

[@banedon8087]

There's something particularly despicable about unremmitingly picking on someone because they are weak of mind, spirit, character, body, morals - whatever. It's the ultimate version of punching down and proving to the world that you're even eaker than your target.

[@Dale-jr7oj]

Wings deserves to get everything like that and more. He’s a piece of shit

[@FaceFish9]

when someone has done it and continue to do it to themselves its no longer about what you just stated.

[@banedon8087]

@@FaceFish9 I'm not talking about someone else, but about ourslves. We should resist being cruel. If another person is struggling to change their ways or is a victim of themselves, then help them or don't - just try not to make their life worse.

[@Mastermirror89]

@@FaceFish9 That doesn't give you a free pass to be a cunt towards them and mock and bully them relentlessly. What kind of messed up logic are you proposing here, that wings should get all the blame?

[@mercenarygundam1487]

The sad part? Those who do that lack self awareness. It's only when they get hit with the same scenario themselves that they either realize it and regret it OR become the next big lolcow.

[@Mikesusendsadasdc]

Very wonderful video kira. Idk I've seen a video that I've felt somuch the same with in a while. I went down the same rabbithole and I started feeling bad for the dude at the end. I just hope in the end. He make's it out alive. He's made such good progress this time that it almost seems unreal. I just hope it dosnt stop.

[@carlacummins9821]

KiraTV always does such a great job, even on stories that have been done to death. That said, I can't help but be both sickened and sad. It is a real look into us as humans and how we choose to treat others; yet I must admit that I too would look over at this car accident to see who might be hurt! Your video has caused introspective feelings for me and I guess I should say thank you?

[@stonesfan285]

He ruined himself.

[@bdablader95]

Wingz is my Chris-chan, I genuinely hope he can turn his life around and get some stable footing. Our only assurance in life is death and taxes, all of us have the ability to make our lives better, but it will never happen overnight, only one step at a time. Jordie has been really popping off lately on his streams, hopefully it'll lead to a more positive mindset. He needs more people to positively support him, not tear him apart. God Speed Jordie, your story isn't over yet man, you can still change your life for the better.

[@LuchadorMasque]

imnsorry

[@shardhoney]

Great vid Kira, you're a great mediator of this information. Not punching down, but sharing the full story honestly. Appreciate your work, maybe Wings will see this video and try and make a change.

[@Reid367]

It wasn’t honest at all

[@Rtd22375]

Why do people want to continually kick the bloke down .. for views I guess .. pretty sad in itself

[@daben7145]

we got a similar case here in germany, a guy named drachenlord (dragonlord) had a very similar career, got swallowed up by the internet, thousands of visitors at his house over the years, partly cuz of his own mistakes, and has his life completely ruined. Internet can make you very rich, but man it can destroy you too.

[@mattygee79]

Great video! I always felt like ppl took the trolling waaay too far. There’s a video of him crying and he’s whimpering “I just wanted to stream to have fun and maybe meet some people”

[@windego999]

I'd argue CWC has more documentation about them out there but the big difference is that Jordie knows what kinda of life he has and knows full well he should do something about it but the internet absolutely will not let him so he can continue to fail for their amusement. And that's horrible to think about.

[@quietblake6997]

I honestly fail to understand why there are some people who prioritize making people's life hell. Being a sad sack of shit, is no excuse to make someone worse off than you, for that satisfaction. Even if they're a ball of rage. That needs to be said, honestly.

[@LiilYogurt]

90% of the people who make fun of guys like this, have just as sad of a life. You never hear these people talk about their own life, they spend all their time talking about other people's lives, all the people I've met irl who spend their time trolling guys like this, haven't stepped outside of their house in a month.

[@johngulster7787]

even if the person is a obnoxious jerk the doesn't deserve that much hate gets

[@quietblake6997]

@@LiilYogurt I've a sad life myself, but I don't see myself making someone more miserable than I, I do laugh at the people who deserve it though. Like Redditors with entitled first world problems.

[@Annoye]

@@LiilYogurtnot that deep i don’t watch him but it’s funny and he deserves so..

[@windebiesteultima3317]

Honestly it’s more pathetic that people really dedicate their free time to harassing and trolling 1 guy. These people have *nothing* better to do??

[@Krexel]

They have ZERO self worth. They're so horridly pathetic and sad that the only way they can feel even an iota of self worth is to bully someone else. It's fucking sad. I hate trolls with a burning passion.

[@ekki1993]

There's plenty of bullies looking for an excuse to be bullies. And a lot of his viewers think that him being how he is justifies their being hell goblins.

[@joshstanton267]

Some of these people and their elaborate pranks, must have all the time in the world.. none of these morons have jobs? How are they surviving in this day and age where bread, milk and some eggs is a days work? Spoiled kids bludging off their parents? Farknose.

[@googleit1131]

In hindsight, doing live videos is the worst thing someone who doesn't want to be bullied could do. The internet is ruthless, unforgiving, and won't forget anything you say or do.

[@RuhrRedArmy]

Lolcows present an opportunity for what I would call “socially acceptable bullying”. It’s still bullying yet people can do it without feeling bad. They’re just channelling antisocial behaviour into something more acceptable. At the end of the day it’s still a destructive behaviour that only causes more harm. I was briefly part of a lolcow community and literally nothing good came out of it, even though the target was not a good person.

[@kelpyg7301]

“He tried to get a real job. He started door dash.” I gave up after that.

[@Lost_Dawn]

He did it to himself.

[@BlakesTakes420]

This was an excellent video - really well thought out and balanced. The tale of a deeply flawed person, no doubt, who is just trolled mercilessly, very sad and he definitely does not deserve it. People can honestly be so cruel - and the hyenas out there should really give him a break... yeah, he's said some stupid and awful stuff before in the past, but haven't we all.

[@Marika_ER]

Richard gets the hate because of his own actions and je never takes accountability for his actions

[@arwing20]

Hard to feel sorry for man who has constantly threatened to come to people's home and shoot them.

[@kevting4512]

Seeing him losing weight and putting a good match against Boogie is a sign that he is in that redemption arc.

[@Dale-jr7oj]

Lmao what a farce that is

[@LunaPPK]

very much depends on how he spends that money man needs to invest and actually keep up that weight lost not stop just because of the fight being over

[@USS_Sentinel]

Here's hoping, genuinely.

[@basedretard3860]

Hes losing weight not by changing habits but by taking medications he shouldnt be taking like ozempic for diabetes as a weight loss which works at first but you gain all that weight back after

[@EsteemedReptile]

Hahahahahaha

[@shape4234]

Imagine playing the hero while stalking and harassing a man his wife his family and anyone who even communicates or wants to with him over mistakes he made almost a decade ago

[@WobblesandBean]

I disagree, you shouldn't feel sorry for him. He's an objectively horrible person, he only cares about himself, he has abused, mistreated, and taken advantage of everyone in his life, REFUSES to accept that he ever did anything wrong, and all of the bad things in his life are 100% his own fault. No one "got him banned", he got banned for repeatedly saying racist things and telling players he wishes their children would die. He bragged about killing a kitten. He emotionally abuses his wife, Kellie. He only gained weight in the first place because another kid was better than him at sports and he wanted to trounce him by being bigger. That "life saving surgery" was pure vanity, it was elective, and he refused to do the work necessary to get the surgery in the US which required weight loss. He has always been horrid. That is why he has so many trolls. Much like Cyraxx, he brought it on himself. Oh, and that fight that you claimed was going to change his channel for the better? Lol no. Like always, he's too lazy to capitalize on anything. All he does is complain. He will never accept any responsibility for himself, and THAT is why he has trolls. He feeds them every single day. I feel no sympathy for him, and neither should you. You're wasting your good will on someone who does not deserve it, when there are hundreds of actual victims who do.

[@SarcasticPoet]

This tiltle is pathetic

[@pyramid_iremide]

When Kira uploads, I am seated and ready to watch quality content

[@KiraTV1]

[@AluviumOSRS]

I've been following the Wings of Redemption story for years. I found it funny at first but now I'm just sad for him. Sad of the bitter person he's become, you can see in his face how much he hates his life. If he takes positive steps to improve himself and his life then great. Unfortunately, Wings is known for taking one step forward and two steps back.

[@notgarybrown]

Same. He actually does seem a little different since the fight. The trolling doesn't seem to be getting to him as bad, he's been apologising for past screw ups and has a bit of a different engery. He gets a pass from me until he proves otherwise.

[@chriszarate4267]

I really hope Wings gets better and can turn his life around

[@marouu_x]

we can only hope

[@oniplus4545]

he did turn his life around many times he did full 360 degrees back to where he's at every single time

[@whirlybird268]

He tries, but the trolls literally ruin his life to the point it reaches his personal life.

[@defundhollywood3259]

I've never gone as deep on Wings as you have, but at one point I read and looked into just about every thread on KF. It does start off with LOLs and OMGs but the more you watch the more you can empathize with them. I think they present good cautionary tales, because a lot of people do these kinds of behaviors on a smaller scale and it's probably causing problems in their own lives. If you look long enough into a lolcow, the lolcow will gaze back into you.

[@deadbroke9787]

Reported 4 harassment 🙏

[@sib313]

You may wanna check out "Drachenlord" german equivalent to wings

[@ginoh007]

Seeing a clip of him boxing Boogie made me sad for both of them too, you mentioning the term lolcow for sure is on the mark. Hope they can overcome it themselves and escaping this cycle with a better future.

[@skadifrostqueen3052]

This man needs help, he needs therapy and real friends. Regardless of how toxic he can be, I believe whatever trauma he has had absolutely snapped his mind and he isn't capable of thinking for feeling in the ways he's supposed to. I worry that one day he will fall into a pit he can't escape and end his own life.

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

The man needs a real job.

[@rafindeed]

i honestly dont think wings will change simply because he never stoped and thought about what is wrong. Its not only trolls, its him, its his attitude, his innability to notice that its HIS behaviour that caused all this.

[@djtoxicdhg]

Now we need one on DSP

[@flintcityhc1524]

Dude said he thinks the age of consent should be 12…….yeah, hard to feel bad for that kind of person

[@Abdullah______]

It's his opinion tho

[@absi49]

@@Abdullah______ its a crime not an opinion LOL

[@Abdullah______]

@absi49 No its not, he didn't do an action it's just what he thinks. Can u tell me when it becomes a rule that women needs to be +18 so u can have legal relationship with them?

[@W1ZDUM]

Kind of sucks that this video gets made right after he gets one of the biggest W’s of his career with the boxing event. Let the man enjoy his moment.

[@beltaxxe]

This was a banger dude, great work. You went deeper than most and called out the BS.

[@daveywavey3853]

Truly a great video, i really loved the more understanding view of this. I can't imagine being in his shoes dealing with the harassment he gets on a daily basis. People always say, "yeah he gets trolled a lot, but hes a bad person so it's justified" I know the whole wings lore, is he really that bad of a person? He took pride in the only thing he felt good at it in life, gaming, then let his ego get out of control because of it. Sounds pretty normal honestly and not deserving of everything he gets...

[@TheDoctorDonna1326]

I can’t imagine being someone that chronically follows someone just for the sake of making fun of them, like, that is so unbelievably pathetic and terminally online behavior.

[@ozzy758]

He’s not a good person but he deserves the chance to become a better one. I hope he finds peace and becomes a better person

[@notthefox]

I was feeling sorry for him, but yeah, dude did it mostly to himself more or less

[@zpecialist]

This is what 90s parents thought gaming would do to their kids

[@TheOddestJ]

What an outstanding production and well researched video! Seriously, great work mate! 💪🏻

[@MrRez808]

Thank you for doing this Video mate.

[@danielbeaumont3744]

i'd like to see a video in this style on boogie, there hasn't really been a 'good' documentary style one since christopher tom's one a couple of years ago so there's a ton of new boogie meltdowns to document

[@M3H13]

Well, just found about wings like 2 years ago, was funny seeing the patetic man being trolled on but then thought about it and the people harassing him were even more pathetic and stop watching everything about him until the boxing match, hope fix his life a little bit more

[@WarriorNewb]

Broken engrish eh?

[@Stealth86651]

Man, it's crazy how many potential chances he's had, how many people he's had reach out and try to help him. FPS Russia (and friends) invited him to live with FPS Russia (If I recall correctly) and exercise/have support and all that. Most people would kill to have friends who cared that much and would actually lend a hand. Like, imagine having a weight problem and one of your friends just says "Yeah, come live with me I'll cook and we can exercise together", that's nuts.

[@FaceFish9]

yeah, PKA podcast invited him to live with Kyle "FPSRussia" and Kyle even remodeled parts of his house to fit Wings... they tried to get him to come to a camping trip with them but he pulled out, and more... i don't think he will change but as always, i would be happy to be wrong on this.

[@NASkeywest]

90% of Wings trolls were angry because how ungrateful and lazy he was. As soon as he actually took a chance and put effort into bettering himself people threw money and love at him.

[@TheIlidius]

It's kinda wack that the internet can still surprise me with how malicious someone can be. Good job man, very nice title, sly and evil delivery.

[@waxmeltfan]

Really? Dude is having the best time he’s had in well over a decade, finally getting good press, and you crap out a video like this. I’m skeptical to watch it, but the thumbnail and title are really petty at the moment

[@DavidJCobb]

the video doesn't mince words, but it's not hateful. one of the main things talked about is how Wings is trapped in his current situation, in part because the harassment he receives includes folks actively getting him fired from normal jobs when he tries to stay offline and find one

[@waxmeltfan]

@@DavidJCobb that’s better at least. I just hope the best for him, I see people capitalize on others so often

[@TheCrappyPhilosopher]

I have never understood why people do this. Jerks bully someone, which negatively affects their personality, which makes the jerks want to bully them more. Because they have nothing better to do, apparently.

[@NeilTyson1985]

As someone that doesn't create you tube videos and has no idea what I am talking about. I think a few extra seconds at the end of your videos will give people more time to like them, I always have to use the back button by the time the mouse has moved to like your videos. Love the content!

[@rumbletown1563]

Wings is a professional boxer with an undefeated record. Who could have predicted that!