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[@ZoeyBluetheDane]

Son hits Dad in chest 90 days after open heart surgery... twice... wow...

[@abc-wv4in]

@Old Iron Not always.

[@abc-wv4in]

@Old Iron It's not always because parents have allowed such behavior all their lives, although it may be. Siblings raised in the same family with the same rules sometimes turn out very, very differently. Parents aren't the only influences on a person. That's all I meant.

[@wes788411]

That story sounds like bullshit.

[@time4u2losethe-take-over25]

😂😂😂Just because this guy is saying that this is what happen. for his client by the way we all suppose to believes him? that’s hilarious.. his son punched him in his chest twice, this guy had open heart surgery. and he was not only able to withstand the punches but able to yell out the Demands okay. also when he called 911 he said( he swung on me) never said he was hit. and during the call his son also say (no you swung on me) I don’t know what to believe. but I definitely don’t believe no lawyer especially one that have his phone turned off all the time LOL.

[@ryanw9115]

I love that they use this case as a prime example of why you need the firearms legal protection service but under their contract 3.4, they don't cover events between family members.

[@oneofthosepeople2101]

Seriously? That’s very disappointing.

[@j.t.cooper2963]

Great point and a definite game changer. 🤣

[@tupelohoney622]

Oops for promotional plug!😂

[@c-fin]

Hopefully you don’t have to shoot your own family member 😂

[@grantsdad177]

Unfortunately that clause is in most of the carry insurance contracts

[@s1tanner]

"ANYTHING YOU SAY can and WILL be used against you”

[@wp4866]

never for you

[@Framer_Mike]

Should be "everything will be used against you"

[@isaacboone1255]

@@matthewhartup941 it’s not used for you. That’s the thing. That would be an outrageous lie.

[@robertschweppenhauser9891]

We here to help you but don't play games hey .

[@mattr918]

Anything you've ever said that is on record... social media, probably KZbin, search results etc. Especially if you did something questionable.

[@mykal2803]

I never would have believed that was a man on the phone unless I was told.

[@mohammadhanif4439]

It was a man? Lol what

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

What the hell??

[@michaelmappin4425]

@@mohammadhanif4439 wasn't there a Seinfeld episode like this?

[@fjones1914]

A police officer who taught one of the concealed carry classes I took said if you had to use your weapon in defense of yourself or someone else, you should call the cops and let them know the situation then HANG UP THE PHONE. His explanation was the call will be used against you in court.

[@kickgryhmez7015]

Sounds good to me. Staying on the phone causes issues.

[@Airing3333]

Except that 911 keeps recording from the time you hit send (before they answer) until the time THEY hang up

[@Vandicoup]

@@Airing3333 Depends on the country though. I've heard about that but I'm not sure if it's like that in the U.S. Is it?

[@Airing3333]

@@Vandicoup according to Active Self Protection it is in the US. I’ve heard him mention this in a number of videos with lawyers discussing how to handle the aftermath of a justified self defense shooting.

[@UnlicensedOkie]

When I took a conceal and carry class, they told us the same thing “There has been a shooting at...” hang up

[@stevehill3102]

Once I was working as a pizza delivery driver. I was a victum of an attempted mugging. When the police came, I was babbling, partly because I had just got knocked down a flight of stairs and partly because of an adrenaline rush. I told them that I had pulled a .38 on my assailant after he struck me in the back of the head and knocked me down the stairs. The officer's response was "you should have shot him".... Luckily for both of us he ran when he saw the snubby...

[@wes788411]

“Don’t you get up or I’ll shoot you.” “I’m trying to get you help.”

[@doug186]

I’ve called in car accidents that I’ve witnessed and they try to make you feel like it’s your fault. 😆. Great advice moving forward.

[@glock_grippin_meme_viewin1309]

@John Foley lmfao "sir we are going to need your name to bill you for the pothole you OBVIOUSLY CREATED"

[@robrod3097]

@@glock_grippin_meme_viewin1309 In some instances, it does boil down to dynamics that you mentioned... I've been at a high level in LEOs (not city nor county) and have made arrests that Someone at lower levels question... but thanks be to God. My work has prevailed... (Those are some of the places where I've found out corruption... Ventura county sheriff's has been one of few, as well as former comander Squires of another county... ALL properly documented

[@c0mputer]

What? No they don’t. If you call in a car accident they do NOT try and make you feel like you’re at fault. That’s up there with the dumbest things I’ve heard.

[@doug186]

@@c0mputer Tough shift today on the phones 😆

[@JohnMarkIsaacMadison]

This is why people are introverts. All trouble happens when interacting with other people. And no matter how smart you think you are, there is something you don't know that could end up getting you in trouble like this.

[@3nertia]

@hRdLNE _CEO You're a prime example of why I'm introverted ...

[@MattH-wg7ou]

@hRdLNE _CEO what the fuck are you talking about?! Lol

[@ltdzinger]

@hRdLNE _CEO shut the fuck up

[@ThatDarnTurtle]

@hRdLNE _CEO You're an ignorant psychopath who probably speaks from a guilty conscience. Because you think everyone is like you when you are quite and socially distanced. Caught up in your perverted and evil fantasies... You just incriminated yourself, sicko.

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

@@3nertia Edgy. When someone calls themselves an introvert I immediately assume they are socially awkward & inept & have no friends because they are creepy losers that no one likes. But they always act like everyone else is the problem, not them. Loser.

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

Listening to the call it sounded like a crazy Mom

[@l31007]

Some communities need more Moms like her.

[@collin4867]

That was a man talking lol

[@j.t.cooper2963]

Except it was the dad. 😅

[@MattH-wg7ou]

I kinda feel like 911 calls should be considered under duress and not admissible. But I havent really thought it through a lot to be honest.

[@UnlicensedOkie]

What if it is somebody in the background saying something to you? It’s either all admissible or none of it is That’s the law You just have to be careful

[@smolboyi]

If you have to use force in defense, and there's a witness, ask them to call, and get them involved so they don't leave

[@josephzanes7334]

I think you could easily argue that in a court of law tho

[@jacrush24]

It’s called Present sense impression hearsay, and is admissible.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

I had a defense situation a few years ago. Told the dispatcher a man threatened to kill me and I had to defend myself. Still got arrested. Still went to court. It was a mess. Oh, and they let the guy go after he sobered up. I was not happy. If you decide to carry a weapon for self defense, get yourself a lawyer on retainer or concealed carry insurance BEFORE you walk outside with a gun. No matter what the circumstances I can almost guarantee you will end up in court and unlike some other charges, you will not have the presumption of innocence. Juries are very unsympathetic to civilians who carry guns.

[@gigiwhoot]

911 operators always ask question after question after question, trying to get tons of info... incriminating yourself! Hang up, great advice!!

[@georgemoomaw9437]

Yes, make the call. “ there has been a shooting at _________ Please send TWO ambulances (one for the person shot and one for you). Then hang up. The second ambulance is for you. You are too upset to give a statement right now, but will be glad to do it tomorrow. (Accompanied by legal council).

[@shelbyhoneysuckle1080]

@@georgemoomaw9437 and honestly you shouldn’t even say you will give a statement with counsel. Let your lawyer/attorney do the talking and they will let you know when to talk. If you do what you said, yet your attorney advises against it, you are opening a can of worms because the police are going to expect you to talk since you said you would and now all of a sudden you aren’t going to.

[@vmarc4682]

Sounds like Flip Wilson doing Geraldine

[@ejeckk]

The devil made him do it.

[@alb.dersame]

Now THAT'S HILARIOUS !!! "WATCH OUT" :) He was Great Man .. Only the Older generation would know that one, lol ..

[@caty9995]

😂

[@gruenfreiherr8714]

Are you like 104 years old?

[@alb.dersame]

@@gruenfreiherr8714 what do ya mean ?

[@loseerich493]

Trying to remember but wasn't the advice in a previous video (perhaps from Mas himself) on this topic something like: - Call 911 & give them: - Your name - Your location (corner of such & such) - Your description (I'm white, 6', wearning jeans etc) - I've been attacked, my life was in danger - Perp description (big guy, 250lbs, etc) - Ask for them to please send the police & an ambulance - Hang up

[@jrvane11]

The sad reality is that prosecutors are politicians, which means the public's perception of their office is based on successful prosecutions. You are just a number to them. Very good information in this video. Thank you.

[@J6789-c9s]

“How’s your son” “He’s alright” “Ok”

[@RCinginSC]

Seems like hanging up immediately after saying "theres been a shooting at (address)" will bring every cop on duty loaded for bear . It causes the police to arrive with too many unknowns and will increase the chances for the police to misinterpret the present situation and possibly lead to some more bad stuff happening. It seems to me that I would want the police to know a little about the present situation before they arrive. Just my take, but I would like to hear more conversation about the justification of hanging up without giving the 911 operator a little more info. Thanks John. I would would like to hear more from this gentleman in the future.

[@craigerlist]

Everything you just said Was exactly what I was thinking when watching this. To me, this was Very Bad Advise!!

[@ASPextra]

They're showing up like that regardless. They don't know who is who.

[@AnUnnamed3vil]

RCing inSC "There has been a shooting, the weapon has been secured. Please send help to (insert address here).” Hang up. Really that's the best you can do. They'll still come locked and loaded probably.

[@anthonytotilo4737]

AnUnnamed3vil stating weapon is secured tells you are the shooter.

[@craigerlist]

But if you stayed on the phone with them (While the Officers where coming) you would be able to tell the dispatcher Who is Who, Clothing, Hair color, Race, height , and anything else they need to know.

[@Robnord1]

How about those calls *before* the shooting starts? An attorney at my last training class said to say; 1.What is happening..."It sounds like someone is trying to break in at _________". 2. "I am afraid for my/our life/lives." 3. drop the phone or hang up. I'd be interested in your attorney's advice on that scenario John.

[@zackiinu7194]

Robnord1 #1, and possibly #2 and/or #3, sounds like the caller is being deceptive to the 911 dispatcher. This strategy might prompt a judge to give the jury instructions for ‘consciousness of guilt.’ This can be very damaging to your defense.

[@zackiinu7194]

Ethan Porter I might have misunderstood your comment, thinking you were suggesting to tell 911 things that were not entirely true. Apologies if I was wrong.

[@steviesevieria1868]

Ethan Porter ....sounds like a script is "how". I'm already ready to vote you guilty ....I better not be on your jury.

[@Frantic618]

And just like in this video, it's going to be wide open to intrepretation. It sounds like you're reading from a script.

[@discoveryoutdoorskcfishing236]

Just want to add my two cents here. This happened in Missouri not far from me and I knew the family. Apparently the gentleman calls nine-one-one and tells them that someone broke into his house and is ransacking the place and he fears for his life and then he hung up the phone. He goes down to the living room and shoots this kid to death. He ends up in prison because according to the state he had the opportunity to leave the house from two different positions and he was aware of the thief well before the thief was aware of him therefore he could have left and avoided the confrontation. With that being said I hate to be the one to break it to you but usually it's best to call after the shooting so it doesn't look like you propagated it in any way shape or form.

[@kellyokamoto1604]

This vid was worth the price of admission!!! Thank you, Mr. Johnson for the invaluable, and dare I say, life-saving information of what TO say and what NOT to say following, Heaven forbid, a self-defense shooting.

[@EL-ml5tl]

Man that sounded like some comedy skit, I was thinking to myself "is this a joke? Disrespecting the house?". Valuable lessons learned though.

[@triston5515]

Excellent content for us good guys. Thank you John. Out of all the firearms training classes I’ve taken personally and professionally. The best was Massad Ayoob’s MAG20 we didn’t shoot a single round in the two days. I can’t stress it enough...EVERY PERSON THAT CARRIES A FIREARM LEGALLY should take this class.

[@ASPextra]

No joke. Great information.

[@robrod3097]

Excellent comments and suggestions. I recently had an experience with a local small police department, where I was at a store that was robbed. The attendant asked me to call police. As I dialed 911, I followed the suspect to the parking lot. (Me going to my car, and the suspect to his) During the call I provided with ALL pertinent information. Description of incident, location, license plate of get away vehicle. But I was interrupted by an eager and agressive young dispatcher that interrupted me even as I'm providing all pertinent information. I then allowed him to interrupt. He asked me to give him description of the suspect and direction of travel... My response was "I was preparing to give you that information but you keep interrupting me" then I hanged up the phone. Subsequently received a call from another dispatcher demanding that I met with responding officers. My response, was that I had driven away and because of the lack of professionalism from the previous dispatcher. I didn't want to be of assistance. My point, people in dispatch, need to be tought some respect and professionalism.

[@User-ft6dc]

I love it. After all that at 10:19 he looks like he's about to cry when dude says the 911 caller can't own guns anymore.😂🤣

[@BloodStainedTear]

Sounds like Rasputia from Norbit.. The only thing missing was "How you doin'! "

[@bassblaster162]

K S 😅I was thinking Martin Lawrence's Big Mama, but yeah I can see Rasputia too 😅😅. "I'm the big, bad pig of the forest!" 😅😅

[@RoyalCaymanian]

Hahaha that is funny and you’re right it does! I feel kinda bad laughing at this though for such a serious situation.

[@darrendyson8347]

I was thinking Madea but you are right more than I am hahahahaha

[@dronepilot260rc]

Lmfao

[@ohyeahthatsright3155]

These discussions are priceless in today’s atmosphere.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

I had a self defense situation about five years ago and I was the person to call 911. Looking back it was smart to call 911 before anybody else but I probably should have kept my comments simpler and more to the point. Instead of saying I shot a guy in self-defense I should have just stated I was attacked, and left it at that. When they cops show up they get some more detail then, no need to panic them before they arrive. They were actually very nice and accommodating but still, it could have been worse.

[@davehardgrave2027]

Thanks for the tip!!!

[@JohnnyNJones]

What was the outcome for you?

[@Shorty_Lickens]

@@JohnnyNJones I spent about two years in court fighting a misdemeanor, reckless weapons handling. Was not worth it. Lost a lot of friends too. You'd be amazed at how many people support guns but not actually using them. Even though they dropped the case and I had my record expunged, I cant get a job anywhere because my name still shows up on Google with about 8 news articles. All of them were automated news articles, and they all get the details wrong. Details like "there was an argument in the parking lot". There was no argument, the walked out and started threatening me and then tried to kill me. But one news site made up a story and then the rest all repeated it, while mixing up details so it looked like independent reporting. Now when I go job hunting they always hit up google, see the results, and stop contacting me. I should have let the guy kill me. His name is Christopher Keith Dunham by the way, and if you go digging around you'll see he has a constant stream of charges and convictions in his life, mostly in Georgia but some in Florida.

[@JohnnyNJones]

@@Shorty_Lickens My god, thats about enough to make a guy lose his mind. I feel for you man ☹️

[@Andino.]

Some of the best 15 minutes I've spent in KZbin

[@Sinatra192]

Have been putting off getting firearms protection from a competitor because they were so expensive, but then I found FLP and noticed description of all thing that are covered, many of which aren’t covered by a competitor and I jumped right on and signed up for premium protection from FLP. Even used the ASP discount. Best money I ever spent and now my mind can be at ease knowing that I am covered if God forbid I have to pull the trigger.

[@757millionaire]

The operator "what type of gun is it?" C'mon with the never-ending, impertinent questions ma'am....sheeesh 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@johnmoore4]

Maybe trying to distract and calm her down.

[@CadmusCurtis]

I have had no luck with 911 dispatchers, when I was 17 my uncle had a violent seizure in the back of the car while I was driving, I add no idea what was going on so I pulled over trying to help him and call 911 - the dispatcher was the biggest CUNT I'd ever talk to on the phone. I was definitely worked up cuz my uncle who's like a brother was seizing bad - bit after I said what was going on and where she started demanding all this information - what's his DOB, what's his address what's his full name birthdate age etc all this ridiculous information and I just wanted her to send ems! She literally said "I'm not sending anybody until you answer my questions" with a wicked attitude, I didn't know his fucking house number and I lost it on her ass, yes she probably had already sent ems even tho she literally said I won't send anyone to you give me all his personal info. I ended up screaming at her "send an fucking ambulance you fucking cunt, I don't know his adress" funny thing is she was such a bitch she stared the rummor mill spinning that I was being a complete dick for no reason running her mouth. How do I know this? When my uncle by marriage who is a firefighter a few towns over came to see is in he hospital he pulled me aside and tried to give me a speach about how I shouldnt yell or swear at a dispatcher. Log story short I've had to call a few times and many of them where complete morons or assholes.

[@fmj_drew]

@@CadmusCurtis bro screw that 911 operator😭. Total bitch. Nice story tho hope you have a good day

[@Ureyeuh]

How's your son doing? *HE AIGHT* Ok then.

[@ericchandler90]

Don't be up in hur disrespectin' my house.

[@duancoviero9759]

Eric Chandler that country talk 🐮

[@Randommemes741]

Country is not the right word...

[@duancoviero9759]

Richie Kozik yes it is. People from the deep South talk like that all the time. Right on the mark 🤣

[@peterrose2373]

"That doesn't sound like objective reasonable evidence of a deadly threat"

[@whyyousmilingwhenyournexth4047]

@@peterrose2373 she threatened him again

[@HarryBalzak]

Prosecutor doesn't care about the truth or what is right. All they care about is getting another conviction by any means possible. Justice?

[@ASPextra]

How many prosecutors do you know? I know two, and both are good guys with crazy heavy work loads.

[@HarryBalzak]

It isn't a personal choice. It is the inertia of the system. They have to put convictions first if they want to keep their job or get promoted.

[@bloatedman]

check

[@HarryBalzak]

@@randallN-sw6ee Yes, and yes. The last thing cops want is zero crime. Then they will get less funding(typically). A prosecutor that fails to successfully prosecute isn't a valuable commodity. The system itself is set up to fail. It is really quite sad.

[@markadams7597]

Here in TX, a property owner can use deadly force in protecting property (perhaps not for "disrespecting the house" but certainly for invading the property, especially after a warning). Your "70 year old grandma", who owns the property, may use deadly force in protecting the property. This 911 call, here, would be slam-dunk for the defendant.

[@ASPextra]

That's not as clear as you think it is, and you're not protecting the property but the people.

[@johnterpack3940]

There's a lot of comments saying you should add more info to the call so cops know everything is cool when they show up. These are clearly people who've never seen just how irrationally paranoid cops can be. A couple decades ago, my brother and his friends were coming back from a camping trip. As was once common, they were pumping their arms out the windows of his station wagon to get truck drivers to blow their air horns. Next thing they knew, they were surrounded by five state patrol cruisers, "guided" to the shoulder of the highway, and sitting in the grass for three hours while the cops searched the car and their camping gear for the gun someone called in and said they were waving at people. Neither my brother nor any of his friends have ever been gun owners. The moral of the story is that once you tell them a gun is involved the fact you have purple hair and are wearing an orange thong is not going to effect their response. Rambling on the phone will do you no good.

[@thedevilhimself816]

These are probably the most important fire arms videos available online today. Thank you for this.

[@ASPextra]

Glad to help!

[@mattjaxdad8693]

Having called 911 probably 40-50 times in my career, the information you give is typed into a computer shared with officers. Also sometimes the phone call is patched through to the officers. I have helped save many lives with the information given to 911 dispatch. Be cautious in your wording, slow down your thoughts, and communicate effectively and give them information to help you. If you don't, and just hang up, you are taking the responsibility of your life and others on scene and placing that responsibility squarely on the shoulders of ( UNINFORMED officers who deal with negative ( drugs, robberies, violence, etc...) to come in and HANDLE the situation. To hell with that idea!!!!! Give them a heads up, so they don't confuse your scruffy face from working 80 hours with an armed drug addict! Remember they show up IGNORANT, it's your responsibility to educate them about the scene!!!

[@grojoelp]

Out of those 40-50 times you called 911, how many times did you shoot someone?

[@raegruder4626]

@Kuuryo A jury is a crap shoot

[@profundisconfutatis8093]

someone trying to defend themselves with weapon in hand to an address where they have no information is a disaster. This defense attorney is an idiot, because his perspective is saving his CLIENTS from getting in trouble, but he won't have a client if the client is shot dead when they go on scene because all 4 of their braincells didn't understand that they need to put the gun down even if they think they are the victim. The ones that follow the attorneys advice probably won't need the attorney when they are 6 feet under

[@reitairue2073]

@@profundisconfutatis8093 Dumbest comment I've seen in months.

[@8barbies779]

@@grojoelp i know this is 2 years ago but... such an under-rated comment:))) -barbie

[@mick-jolly]

I like the approach to the 911 call being short and sweet. There is a lot going on during a stress related incident such as one with shots fired in self-defense.

[@Carrierdlr1]

Thanks for the videos John, always love to see the new video alert from “Active Self Protection”!!

[@roll3park143]

um...it's hard to understand audio. would you consider putting subtitle, please?

[@steviesevieria1868]

Roll3 Park yeah, I couldn't get most of the words. But you could hear the tone of the.... man.... I'm sure a jury would have heard the words, and probably part of the reason it didn't get that far. I still contend, we only got a little bit of the facts, and from what we heard about a family dispute, deadly force probably was not necessary. Hence the plea bargain.

[@Price245]

Ethan Porter I fast forward and just listen to their recap

[@eternalresolute8960]

Here I'll help with narrating, "You take another bite of my muthafuckin cornbread son and I'll shoot you again!"

[@knottsscary]

WS6 Trans AM Ah and out comes the racist. Care to elaborate on just who exactly makes up that “tribe”?

[@bailey9r]

He is looking now for a Ebonics Translator. CC soon to follow. ;

[@bradmarthafocker4285]

Thank you, this is a true service to the community. I'm already subscribed to the main ASP channel, and I am now also subscribed to this ASP Extra channel.

[@redacted4033]

"You know, my ringer is always off so I don't know who's calling me" not exactly what I'd wanna hear from a defense attorney...

[@ASPextra]

I would suspect that there is a difference in how this attorney's personal calls and business calls are answered. I know FLP has a 24 hour hotline that is always answered by an attorney, so not getting a hold of someone wouldn't be a concern there.

[@steviesevieria1868]

Andrew Pedison lol 👍

[@redacted4033]

Active Self Protection Extra I'm just yankin your chain man. While I got you here though, I've always heard that it's generally best to stay on the line with 911 to identify yourself as the caller at least, maybe as someone who was attacked but most important as a cooperative so that law enforcement will have your description when they arrive and not direct any hostile attention towards you. It's certainly what the 911 operators would want although granted that doesn't necessarily mean it's in your best interest. I guess what I'm getting at is does the risk of potentially incriminating yourself as this man did here outweigh any benefit of being able to convey more information about you and your situation to law enforcement?

[@abark]

A defense attorney who let his client take a plea, and now wants your money for a prepaid legal hotline.

[@stacknsat]

He said that in response to John saying if 911 calls you back

[@biscuitsngravy3566]

"He alright."

[@stephengreen3566]

This is one of the best videos I have ever seen. THANK YOU!!!!

[@LoneWulf1992]

As a former 911 dispatcher, I can't bring myself to like this video. By immediately hanging up after stating "there's been a shooting," you are placing your own legal position over the safety of the responding officers, which is unethical and cruel to our first responders. There are several pieces of information we need to not only ensure the safety of our officers but also to reduce the likelihood of misunderstandings upon arrival, which can prove to be fatal in the worst situations. Critical pieces of information that we are taught (at least at my center) to collect on a "someone's been shot" call include the following: ~Where is the shooter/gun? - I can somewhat understand not wanting to admit to being the shooter in a self defense situation, but letting the dispatcher know that the firearm is secured in a safe or that the person with the gun is no longer a threat and will peacefully hand over the firearm to the officers will give the officers a better idea of what to look for, which will help them create a safe situation, and give the dispatcher more room to work with. ~Where is the patient and where are they injured? - Virtually every 911 center in the US processes medical calls through Emergency Medical Protocols, which are questions and instructions we must speak verbatim. This allows us to tell EMS crews how serious the injury is, what kind of equipment they'll need upon arrival, etc. If you're worried about the legal consequences of a self-defense shooting, imagine how it will look in court if the prosecutor points out that not only were you the shooter in the incident, but you did not provide medical aid to the patient and refused to take medical instructions from the dispatch (obviously you are not required to give medical aid as a civilian, but in this circumstance, I'm pretty sure that would have worked against the defendant. In many situations I can see this painting the defender as a very cruel and uncaring person). ~How many people are on scene? - This is more optional than the first 2, but you have to recognize that the situation is chaotic and that no matter how much information you give, officers will always be walking into these situations at a disadvantage when it comes to what they know vs what they don't know. As dispatchers, 99.9% of the time we are going to ask for everyone's first and last name, possibly date of births if the officers request it so that we can run for warrants while en-route. If you don't want to identify yourself, so be it, but at least let the dispatcher know how many people are involved/present and where they are. For this 911 call, you could say "My mother, my son, his girlfriend, and I are the only ones here. My mom is upstairs, my son and his girlfriend are inside in the kitchen. I'm outside on the porch." That, in my experience, would be the bare minimum we would want to work with, and again, that is for scene safety. I appreciate everything you do on KZbin, John. As a hospital security officer, I watch your videos frequently to pick up on red flags to watch for, to discover new techniques in hand-to-hang situations, and to build my mental fortitude when it comes to switching on that "time to fight" mode. While I also recognize that you are 100% behind our LEO's, this video is not one of your better ones :(

[@grantsdad177]

If anything your comment has only taught me that I should indeed follow the advice in the video for the reason that if I stay on the line I will be probed and be expected to help in the recovery of my attacker

[@LoneWulf1992]

@@grantsdad177 Dispatcher may ask you to assist the attacker. They may even lie and say you have to help him, but I know of no legal obligation to help in any state. It should be as simple as "I do not feel safe approaching the attacker. I will wait outside/from a distance so that I may direct first responders to him." But yes, you are going to be interrogated by the dispatcher. If you want to keep your and first responders' safety at risk, then whatever happens, happens. Hopefully it won't cost additional lives should that moment ever come

[@TransRoofKorean]

@@LoneWulf1992 It's weird, he also used two specific examples of what he doesn't even want someone to say: "it was self-defense" and "I was afraid for my life", which if the statements are true, absolutely _cannot_ hurt you in any self-defense situation, since they're the fundamental requirements for just deadly force in self-defense pretty much anywhere in the US. It's one thing to tell someone not to say _anything,_ but I'm just weirded out by using those two as examples of what not to say, justifying it with "because you're not a lawyer and you don't know what that means". Infinitely more useful advice is to remind people to never, ever say something that hints that you *_weren't_* afraid for your life. "He was coming at me but I wasn't afraid because I had my gun" or something can tank so many damn cases.

[@johnstack5008]

I think the call to 911 would be considered a show of concern for the person's health. That call may have saved the person's life. I think it's a bad idea to go anywhere near the perp if he has a weapon (or even if you suspect that he has a weapon). In fact I watched an ASP video where the defender took down a perp, then approached the perp to "secure the weapon". Then the perp came alive and shot the defender point blank. The defender didn't make it.

[@stevo36ify]

Fantastic post, John! Much appreciated as this is such an enormous, and often overlooked, component of self defense!

[@lifeisgood070]

The story puts things in a much better perspective. Rather than a lawyer - really you're a story teller. What an interesting profession. Prosecuters suck though. It's exactly like they say - they have no interest in justice - they only care about numbers, stats, political agenda, etc.

[@bvglee9731]

lifeisgood070 ...and you are not in a place with rampant corruption

[@lifeisgood070]

I mean if I was in a place with obvious rampant corruption I'd just donate $500 to the local mayor.... But alas the corruption we have in the usa is much more under the table and the dollar amounts are too high for my petty income.

[@swany9289]

One of the most informative channels on KZbin. You rock!

[@seanbrown3512]

Thank you, John.. Good series, good info, waiting for more to drop. I understand the butt-pucker factor that people are having when they hear his advice of call 911, say there was a shooting, give address, hang up.. It goes against things we as law-abiding citizens have been taught from the cradle but I get it and most people aren't in the courtrooms day in and day out on criminal cases and this guy is. If they don't want to take his advice, let them do something else at their own peril. I especially like the guy who says he's been through it in once instance and thinks that one instance applies in all other cases so just ignore everything else and take his advice... because, you know, the perp doesn't always die and he will certainly admit to his crime and if he does die his relatives will surely agree he was a bad man and needed to die would never dream to bring a civil case against you. And of course, the DA will always side with armed citizens defending themselves in EVERY jurisdiction in this country, seriously.. I believe that. it's a known fact, look it up on the Internets... Oh well, As for me, cause you know, I'm not independently wealthy enough to mount a criminal defense case, I think I am going to do some research on CC insurance that applies to my situation, starting with FLP and compare them to the others.. thanks again.

[@ASPextra]

I did the research as well...glad you're digging in!

[@scottgoodman4776]

Sean Brown and ASP :I am having some difficulty sorting out competing claims made by firearms insurance providers. As you know, we live in a capitalist society and vendors have no moral responsibility and little legal responsibility to tell you the unvarnished truth about their products. Many providers cap legal fees. I have spoken with attorneys who are friends and they say, with a straight face, that $200 per hour does not meet their costs. Any defense will quickly bankrupt me. So not having a cap on attorneys fees is critical. How do I know they are reliable men of their word and will come to help me? Not sure. I have currently subscribed to US and Texas Law Shield. On the other hand, I certainly do trust John Correa and do not wish to ignore his specific advice about Firearms Legal Protection. Should I subscribe to both? My local firearms training center that I visit weekly recommends US Law Shield.

[@Brookside975]

I use CCW Safe

[@bigboots6114]

@@Brookside975 same here

[@docstockandbarrel]

@@Brookside975 I do as well. Hard to know who is spanking and who is not. One thing I know is never use a general practice doctor to do neurosurgery. Stick with people who specialize.

[@tennesseetarantulas5129]

Awesome information. Thanks alot I'm loving these legal videos.

[@TedTalksBass]

One of my favorite channels since becoming a gun owner (as a responsible adult) and seeking my CCW

[@BretAllenStudios]

I would highly recommend reading "The Law of Self-Defense by Andrew Branca. He is a very prominent self-defense lawyer and completely contradicts this very poor advise. Firstly, when you make a 911 call, you don't want to give details but certain pieces of information are essential. Give them your name and location also let them know that you have been the victim of a crime. "I was attacked, I was in fear for my life and I had to defend myself." Ask for police and an ambulance. If your attacker is beyond saving, very likely you will need medical services yourself after having tons of adrenaline dumped into your body. Older people have had heart attacks after such an incident and that's better to have in a hospital than in a holding cell. Letting 911 know you are the victim lets them know you are not the threat and sets the tone of the encounter with the police. You are the complainant, not the respondent. Did you admit you defended yourself, of course, but they are going to find that out shortly anyways. Read Andrews book! It goes into much detail about the 5 pillars of self-defense law. Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, Avoidance and Reasonableness. You establish several of these things just on the 911 call. Saying "there's been a shooting" and hanging up is probably the WORST advice I've ever heard of. No need to even mention that fact on the 911 call actually. Great way to get the police rolling up hot with their own adrenaline pumping increasing the danger to you and others however.

[@GreyBlackWolf]

Bret Allen I was told that you let someone else call. One reason that you can use in court was that you were still making sure the scene was secure which, if its a lawful shooting, that mean danger was present so you had to disperse the danger and continue to make sure the scene is safe. So that one thing you can do that cant really held against you. Then you get to give your full story when your much calmer.

[@lt0295]

GreyBlackWolf well don’t take that advice. Your primary responsibilities as a lawful defender are only using deadly force if in fear for your life with no other reasonable option. One would expect that the first chance you get, your follow up action would be to leave the danger zone. If you have medical training, then one might expect you to provide aide to the attacker once he is in longer a threat. But this isn’t required by law and is absolutely up to your discretion and if you feel safe doing so. I can’t remember what study it was but something to the effect of 90-95% of people that call 911 first are the ones that are identified as the victim by police, and that lays the foundation for the entirety of your case. If you wait for someone else to call 911, then you leave the story of the shooting up to a stranger’s interpretation. You’re trusting someone you don’t know to give information and say things that won’t make the police roll up as hot as can be. As far as I am concerned, I will never lay my future in some random bystander’s hands. If I ever end up in a situation like this, I will always be the one to call 911, even if I’m providing medical attention. Phones have speaker mode, and I will not *ever* leave my future to the story-telling of another person. Never.

[@soxfunny98]

I just asked my neighbor, a very good public defender in Chicago Il. I actually believe he worked the Two highest profile cases in the last 20 years here. One had to do with a bunch of people/ family and was watched listened to all of the world. Anyhow...... He agrees with the gentleman on this tape. Actually almost word for word. I gave him the situation but did not let him listen to anything His words were about 6 words different from this gentleman's.. Its pretty amazing that you have 3 supposed phenomenal Defense attorneys here, Two give the same advice and one gives totally different advice. I guess you TALK to a lawyer and see where he sits on this.

[@GreyBlackWolf]

Logan Thomas Taking into consideration all the different pieces of advice and cases. It seems it really all depends on each individual case. There seems to be a chance of wrongful conviction in any which way. I guess for me it have to come down to what happned in my situation. But I do find it better to just call and say shots fired and wait till the police actually get there before I tell them what went down. That way I might be alot calmer and clear minded, emphasis on "might".

[@BretAllenStudios]

@19xfan 1 ROFL, yeah whatever dude. Branca is one of the top defense lawyers in the country. I've never even heard of this asshole. Every piece of his advise helps to establish your defense based on the 5 pillars of self-defense law. Do what you want, but this jackass that this John idiot dug up is a shitty lawyer. Take that advice and it will make your defense 10 times harder, or at the least, will get you charged. Notice his example client copped a plea deal on a winnable self-defense case? Shitty lawyer!

[@rodneycooke6538]

If I ever catch a case, I’m calling this guy!

[@Rob_Nasty]

USCCA Call 911 for EMS only hang up Call USCCA your lawyer takes it from there.

[@MonzaRacer]

e fred yeah but uscca has gotten hundreds off with NO charges. What do you want no charges abs done or long trial?

[@johndoe-ii1ko]

No 911 center is going to send only EMS to someone with a gsw. Or EMS alone to an unknown situation. It puts lives in danger. If somehow it does happen and EMS gets there and finds out that it's a gsw, they will call for Police.

[@profundisconfutatis8093]

if you call and ask for EMS we're 100% having EMS stage in BFE while law enforcement takes their time to show up.

[@MrBillybooth]

That;s actually super useful information. Thank you very much.

[@billthompson5644]

By the time they finish that 911 call, the guy would have bled to death.

[@mezotech5419]

If in the femoral, easily.

[@abark]

Only way you are bleeding to death from a single gun shot wound to the leg is if it hits an artery.

[@mezotech5419]

abark which, for whatever reason, isn't as uncommon as many think when shot in the leg.

[@abark]

Considering the person shot did not die, we know that did not happen though.

[@THE4rijus]

abark bones can shatter and cut the artery or vein very easily

[@johnking4360]

Hello John. Good information about if you are the shooter. Can you do a video on if you witnessed this shooting? How much info do you tell 911 ? Do you stay on the line? What about first aid? What about the weapon?

[@everygoodthing8506]

Some sub titles for the 911 call would be helpful.

[@treedoor]

Remember the Dave Chappelle comedy bit where he's on a 911 call, and tells the dispatcher that he pooped himself. That's all his friends comment on at the funeral.

[@MrAnnomys]

This video was very informative and helpful, thank you.

[@vincentsanquiche8993]

I’ve heard that if you call 9-1-1 say something inconclusive they will call you back.

[@JD-fx1np]

I'm confused. What do you do when they inevitably CALL YOU RIGHT BACK?

[@Betchuwont]

Don't answer.

[@johnstack5008]

That's right. Just turn the volume down all the way while it's ringing. That will turn the ringer volume off so you won't hear any future rings. This is not a time to be polite. This is about protecting your legal asp.

[@HealthGuruMike]

While there were some good insights presented in this discussion (and thank you for that), I believe some clarification regarding calling 911 is warranted. The attorney's recommendation that in such a situation you call 911, tell them merely "There's been a shooting at [this address]" and hang up may unleash a barrel full of trouble. The formal training I've taken in use of force / the legal issues involved and the safe and effective use of firearms suggests that approach with 911 would be unwise. Much of my training has been at the Sig Sauer Academy in NH with instructors who are present or former law enforcement officers. At the beginning of each class in which we will use firearms the instructors assign specific roles to individual students in the event of someone getting shot. One of the things they instruct the designated emergency services caller is to say "There's been a firearms training accident at [facility and address], please send an ambulance" and to stay on the line with the dispatcher. They emphasize to not say anything to the effect of "There's been a shooting," "Someone's been shot," or "Tony just shot Angela." They explain that saying any of those no-no things would immediately cause the dispatcher to unleash a swarm of police officers with guns drawn and perhaps a SWAT team. That would be both wasteful and dangerous for everyone in the vicinity. While the scenario you discuss in this video is a bit different in that the shooting was intentional, the same principle does still apply. Calling 911 and telling them there's been a shooting without providing specifics or answering the dispatcher's questions is asking for a lot of trouble which subsequently calling a legal defense hotline won't prevent. I mention this not to condemn, as there were some sound insights presented in this video. And I greatly appreciate your conscientious work and great videos, John. For your and others' safety I just wanted to illuminate another aspect of calling 911 that will hopefully prevent someone's rough day from getting needlessly worse. Best wishes!

[@guy-tn2ud]

That was definitely Geraldine Jones on the phone!

[@guy-tn2ud]

No thumbs up? I might be the oldest person up here.

[@PJS50]

WoW! They are recording BEFORE 911 actually picks up the call??? This proves that every call we make has the ability of being monitored. That was a MAN on the phone! Holy Crap! Honestly, it sounds like Flip Wilson doing his "Geraldine" character... LoL...

[@ASPextra]

Haha!

[@protoman1214]

Dispatcher here, I have to respectfully disagree on this 911 call advice. The first questions a good dispatcher is going to ask is for the safety of their officers.....descriptions, wpns/drugs involved, where is the weapon....they'll also ask for injuries to advise the fire dept or get them on the line to triage. Believe me they should not care about your life story. Once those questions are answered they will try to keep you on the line to advise when they are close and to come out with hands up nothing in them and to get any updates right away if its a dynamic situation. While officers are on the way they might start asking questions like "why did you do it" just to kill time... honestly you can hang up at that point. True that people get amped up and start running their mouths in panic but I don't think that is something people can realistically train for. What you do by calling in a 911 call this way is putting all the responding officers on high alert, and believe me there will be a lot of officers responding. All they know is that an anonymous caller called in that there is someone with a gun who is willing to use it. They are trained to consider that such calls can be an ambush on police (as it has happened before).You have just statistically increased the chances of you or innocent bystanders getting shot. Believe me when I say the context of the situation makes a huge difference in the police response. You can just as easily incriminate yourself on a body cam and if you say nothing on the 911 call then plead the fifth once they get there and there is a dead dude on the floor.....it's not gonna look good at trial. There's plenty of other negatives I can think of but I don't want this to be too long. Honestly this advice might be OK in this very particular situation. But in plenty of others I see it going very poorly for the self defender and potentially people close to them.

[@dougsnavely847]

Wow, good points. At best, I am confused as I understand and agree with both opinions. Our legal system is confusing... Thank you for commenting on this, regardless.

[@Awakentoyou]

@@dougsnavely847 I hate hearing two really opposite sensible opinions. 🤷 Now what? Another reason to fix our gun laws, lawyers.

[@Ace2021]

You got a tldr version?

[@protoman1214]

@@Ace2021 this advice is bad and can easily lead to the cops killing someone, then you might partially responsible for a wrongful death.

[@Ace2021]

@@protoman1214 Thanks got responding months later, got it 👍🏾

[@nmr6988]

Good information about the 911 call being recorded before they even answer!

[@JB-pf3fx]

There's been a shooting at ... and hang up. Good advice.

[@mctourer5549]

Thanks John great video and content as always. The more I hear from this gentleman MR. Johnson the more I think I've finally found the company to join for concealed carry protection. I 've been trying to decide who to go with and it can be a little confusing. But through watching your videos featuring Mr. Johnson I get a good feeling this is the one. And it doesn't hurt that he's from my home town.

[@ASPextra]

Terry is great!

[@kevinb314]

I know he is the expert, but just thinking it through. Wouldn't saying "There's been a shooting" prompt a little more aggressive response from the police? Rather than explaining you shot someone, and that there is no active threat, you will be outside with hands up. I guess its a pro vs cons. Because this call was SO BAD. Shows how easy it is to talk yourself into some possible jail time.

[@europeansovietunion7372]

Probably. This may be the best advice legally-speaking, but not necessarily the best one form a self-protection perspective.

[@reitairue2073]

No, because for all they know you are a psychotic person who just murdered someone and wants to kill cops now too.

[@DoddsFarm]

I was thinking.. Wow! Don’t mess with Momma!! Funny how we visualize what we hear then the story flipped like that. Glad Dad didn’t get hurt. But it does suck for him.

[@tokyworld]

It may sound like you're trying to cover up a wrongdoing. But I understand, shootings almost always will find a way to a court of law. And as self defenders may not have a big lawyer available like police unions have neither empathy from DAs to go for lesser charges or value your testimony more than others. One has to be very careful what to say to authorities. It is unfortunate but that's the world we live in.

[@springbloom5940]

Anything you say, can and will be held against you. As a LE trainer, take my word that means exactly what it says. That doesnt only apply to 'bad' things you say, everything you say WILL be used against you, if they can - DONT TALK TO COPS. If you shoot someone, what you say to responding officers is, 'I was in fear for my life, I dont remember what happened. I want to press charges. I don't feel well, I need a doctor'. 'I dont remember' is a common effect of stress. 'I want to press charges' establishes your position as the victim and that you did not intend to kill anyone. 'I need a doctor', gets you off the hot seat; you can sit in the back of an ambulance with a refreshing IV and dont HAVE to talk to anyone. Put it all together and you've created a bit of a buffer. Youve given LE the salient information to process the scene, youve established that *YOU* are the victim and youve taken a timeout to wind down and get your story together. A LOT of guys' fight or flight keeps them jacked up well into the police interview and thats when they say stupid shit, like boast about their own shooting skills and how that dumb mf didnt know who he was messing with. And for God's sake, dont tell the cops 'he took the room temperature challenge'.

[@steviesevieria1868]

Spring Bloom room temperature challenge, lmao!

[@ofiasdfnosdf]

Great information! I always keep my ringer off too.

[@Alex632]

I really enjoyed this video.

[@alexanderbrown3903]

yo Alex sup

[@david808323]

Pure gold. Thank you very, very much.

[@veerchasm1]

This is what I think BEEEEP so that BEEEEEP and my main point was BEEEEEEEP and futhermore BEEEEEEP in summary BEEEEEEP It’s sad to see Macy Gray like this

[@expectthebow6871]

This is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard without speaking of the tragedy

[@ianfortuna9385]

Little side note when you call 911 NEVER say you shot someone NEVER EVER say you killed someone You tell them this word for word “I was involved in a shooting and the perpetrator is down I need you to come out and take a look” that is all you say.

[@nomas81chi]

Another helpful video. Thank you John . ✌🏽✊🏽🌺💜🇵🇷

[@ASPextra]

Glad to help.

[@danajohnson6273]

Wow, I never would have imagined that flip based on the story behind the story. Good thing he had a great attorney to represent him. How scary for that whole family!

[@benjaminshealey7451]

I'm in. I'm signing up.

[@TonyMontana-js6hp]

Liar

[@JeshueMArcher]

At first i thought, that caller was bad shit crazy! But after listening to the entire thing I understand.

[@TacitalMuffin]

Wow this was very informative. I would have personally made some of the mistakes here. I love the info it helps a lot. Now I don’t have to make those mistakes.

[@docbrockyt]

For pure entertainment value, turn on the auto generated Closed Captions during the 911 call.... meow meow

[@inkey2]

I did so.....that meow meow was hilarious

[@pktheviking]

Good video. More channels that focus on self defense need to produce videos like this.

[@ASPextra]

Thanks.

[@JR-pr1xh]

As a layman, I must say that saying just those things and then hanging up on the 911 operator seems like a bad idea.

[@dantheman9381]

watched the video and now understand

[@ASPextra]

The entire story is pretty eye-opening, isn't it?

[@johnmcnett9241]

This is good information. Thanks. Also, Terry is great. It's nice to hear something from close to home that applies to my state's laws.

[@gilbertos1984]

Knowledge is power

[@sdroache851]

Mike Tyson! 😆 Listening to the 911 call, I was thinking the voice sounded like a man trying to impersonate a woman. Valuable stuff! Seriously! Thanks!

[@alb.dersame]

I didn't know that the recording started before they even answered the call. Thanks Terry and John. Hello from Clinton twp Michigan.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah, I didn't know either until Terry told me.

[@alb.dersame]

Active Self Protection Extra one more comment John if I may. Terry said to call your attorney after calling 911. What if their not able to reach their attorney ? Should the person explain what happened (i assume) when police arrive ? And be as vague as possible ? Or just explain the entire story ? Lastly, it's Such an honor to get a reply from you Personally. Idk how you find the time, but you Have to Love a guy that answers his Own phone per se, lol.

[@GreyGrim]

what ACTUALLY should be done is; call 911 for timeline, say there has been a shooting at the location you are and ask for ems on scene in the call, say you've begun chest compressions, (because in the upcoming court hearings, all of this will be on on record and make you look very good and cared about life, whether you actually did or didn't doesn't matter because that was all recorded.) then tell the arriving police officers, "I am the victim, this is the assailant and aggressor( point to the dead guy or girl(bullets aren't discriminatory) on the floor), I defended myself, I invoke my Miranda rights and would rather not speak further until my attorney is present".

[@mattmanbrownbro]

John's briefs... Goddamn it. 👍

[@ASPextra]

You have to have fun sometimes, right? :)

[@mattmanbrownbro]

Active Self Protection Extra agreed

[@MelvinJunkoBeats]

That Mike Tyson joke really didn't land where he was hoping.

[@contanimationnation8615]

I'm skeptical about the "actual story."

[@ASPextra]

Why would he lie? This is Terry's client...this is what actually happened.

[@wolfjustice1647]

How do you recommend proceeding once the officers arrive? Just days ago in Aurora, CO there was a homeowner that calls 911, shoots the intruder, and the officers come in and shoot / kill the homeowner.

[@Frantic618]

In other words: STOP THE VERBAL DIARRHEA!

[@Dan.50]

"He/she/they/it tried to kill me and I defended myself. I need EMS and police at this address the scene is safe now." Hang up with 911 and call your attorney.

[@terrygrossmann6125]

I’m sorry but the outcome was just wrong. If I heard correctly the shooters son even came forward with the truth and still the prosecutor wanted to go after the gentleman. That is plain wrong. If you said the prosecutor were a liberal democrat, I would certainly understand the outcome.

[@ASPextra]

You will have no idea the political aspirations of the prosecuting attorney should you be arrested for defending yourself. It is not entirely unusual for a case to be brought simply due to the political hay that will be made from it. (However, the video explained that the DA was concerned that the son was simply lying to cover for his father)

[@steviesevieria1868]

Terry Grossmann ...liberal Democrat is the bogeyman, eh? ...more likely the DA was a white conservative and the family involved in the shooting was black. (Edit add-on - we didn't hear all the facts in this video, but what the district attorney had was enough for the defense attorney to take a plea bargain. Probably deadly force was not necessary in this family dispute. Descalation could have occurred or he could have left the area instead of shooting his son. I sincerely hope you don't think a conservative district attorney is going to give you a free pass for shooting a family member, just because he himself is a lifetime NRA member. I know you fear liberals, otherwise defined as people who actually think for themselves instead of having a hive mind, but I highly doubt the politics of a district attorney entered into this case. The shooter was unhinged.... basically shot himself in the foot if you don't mind a play on words)

[@antoinewomack6966]

all of it is politics our political views starting with the racist when it comes to the judicial system. That's why you're able to differentiate and so many cases involving just blacks and whites and because the system is so crooked you never know what string is being pulled weather is fairness or color card someone knowing someone in the hierarchy it's all political what did the mayor needs to be reelected some City official where there be the chief and so on and so on

[@steviesevieria1868]

my God is Yahweh or in this case, jail for someone who used deadly force when it wasn't necessary.

[@antoinewomack6966]

Steven Sevieria the reason that everybody is debating whether he should have used a gun or not that is not really what's Up For Debate what's really up for the bait is when he got hit in the chest by a son he could have had never had a chance to pull his weapon after the surgery it's just could have collapsed and he could have died so for that man it was a life-or-death situation the surgery itself was a life-or-death situation we're just looking at the fact of it was his son but the son was first negligent to the father's Health Medical situation so when the son hit the father from then on that's what triggered that in the father's mindset and even in the video they stated as the son flinched to do it again to repeat it so maybe the father fearing for an accidental death from his son being over aggressive shot him in the leg more so to stop him so if you ask me the son is more at fault because if the father did not have the gun obviously a knife wouldn't have helped because he's not physically able to perform what he would need to to defend yourself properly with a knife and any other weapon is just down the ladder