Howa 1500 Gamepro2 "Most Accurate Production Rifle" Or is it?

[@EpikArms]

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[@daltonisom6265]

So what is the most accurate gun you have reviewed?

[@richardgarrison3085]

Am I the only one that likes hinged floorplates? I have had other budget rifles with crappy detachable plastic mags that had feeding issues during a hunt. And when you try to buy a new one they want $30 for one. I like the idea of having a reliable internal mag that you can load and unload from the bottom quickly and one that you can never lose.

[@joemisak7925]

Not the only one , and they always feed

[@hispeedbullet2661]

Detachable magazines are just one more thing that can go wrong. Plus, many of them protrude below the stock and interfere with the way I like to hold a rifle in field positions. My old model Kimber holds 5 rounds of 280 AI in the magazine and I’ve never yet run through an entire magazine on any hunt.

[@dinsixiengmay9781]

I prefer hinge floor plate 👍on a hunting rifles.

[@RichValentine1972]

Completely agree with you

[@edwinmcnew4389]

❤I agree hinged is so much better!

[@andygray5172]

Something toy failed to mention is the 3 position safety that locks the bolt. For me that is a must have in a rifle i plan to hunt with. I also prefer a hinged floorplate over detached mags for the simplicity and more comfortable to carry in the hand. Great review, thank you!

[@edwardabrams4972]

How’s is a great rifle 🙌👏👊 one of the very best for the price! Having collected rifles for 60+ years I have owned about a hundred Howa’s in one name or other form such as the Weatherby Vanguard! And having owned SO many rifles I have been able to compare and on average the Howa or Vanguard on average is just as accurate as the mark 5 model of Weatherbys that I have owned! And I have owned over a hundred of them in every cartridge except the 460 Weatherby which after shooting decided I would never need for any of my hunting or shooting!

[@davidheath2427]

Wow over 200 rifles by howa and weatherby. To name but a few . So just doing the sums . What are you doing 5 - 3 shot groups to say 2 range trips per rifle. Then getting another rifle. Wow you must have a lot of disposable income. Just on these two brands you have done 1 range trip per week over 8 years . Now even if we run 2-3 rifles a trip . We'll we haven't counted your tika collection or the rugers hay and all the Winchesters, browning's are hell you get the idea .

[@paulreid2223]

I have two 1500s' from the 1980s' - both have the most glorious adjustable triggers ever !!! Also, handloading can get 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups consistently.

[@davidmertes6308]

This System just works for Years, my Granfather hunted with a Howa and i got it now. Never missed a shot so far. And for hunting the hinged plate is better in my opinion since you can´t loose it and you don´t need more than the 6 rounds that it holds (7x64) in any Hunting situation.

[@georgehager4248]

because a hinged floor plate offers better carry ergos

[@ronaldhendricks3876]

Controversial opinion: I prefer a hinged floor plate on designated hunting rifles. Far more quiet. Less likely to fail in the field. Cannot accidentally lose your expensive ass magazine out in the field. On a hunting rifle the hinged floor plate is the way to go, with possible exceptions for hog, predator or varmint control. Why don’t all companies sale their rifles with hinged floor plates from the factory while offering AICS conversion kits FOR THEIR OWN FACTORY RIFLES. Everyone could get what they want without jumping through hoops. Problem solved.

[@John-pc2yr]

How's it quiet?

[@ronaldhendricks3876]

@@John-pc2yr Use a rifle thats equipped AICS bottom metal/magazines. They rattle while operating and can also rattle while stalking. Operate the bolt and listen at how the spring resonates after closing the bolt. Especially when done quickly. A traditional hinged floor plate is far less noisy and makes for a more streamlined hunting rifle. Hinged floor plates have their short comings, but are ideal in most hunting situations.

[@John-pc2yr]

@@ronaldhendricks3876 thank u for the explanation my friend.

[@ronaldhendricks3876]

@@John-pc2yr You’re welcome. Hope that was helpful!

[@John-pc2yr]

@@ronaldhendricks3876 for sure. I've never really hunted too much .I mainly target shoot so keeping quiet isn't an issue...but in the woods and being quiet and still...I can understand how some setups are more noisy...you have a good day.

[@Hunting_Grt_whiteNorth]

Hear what you're saying, albeit some of us old school guys prefer the internal magazine. As such, you can't forget it at home or loose it in the woods.

[@sammartinez8084]

Great show and thanks for the info 👍👍👍👌👌👌👌😁

[@dbeardsley0]

Got a 2019 model Bergara Premier Approach in 6.5 creedmoor. I've never owned a more accurate rifle than that one. I've also shot their Premier ridgeback also in 6.5 creedmoor, it shot incredibly accurate. I'm talking 5/5 at 1000 yards, 16 inch plate. Only rifle I've ever done that on

[@gmanthedsftw2672]

Bergaras are insanely accurate rifles i will also say ive never seen an innacurste savage

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Yes I got a weatherby weather guard bronze that's a hummer. It's shot every ammo grain and brand into a moa or better at 100yards.

[@mcman47]

I like the hinged floor plate as well. My RM or XPR won’t let me load one shell from the top. I have to remove the magazine and add a shell to it. Not Ideal when shooting from a bench. Also carrying a rifle with a magazine sticking out from the bottom is a pain as the balance point of the gun is right in the center where the magazine sticks out.

[@jaymaz]

If you remove the bottom metal then work the bolt it will be smooth it binds with Floorplate magazine

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Hey mate I got a bolt handle extension and that improved the bolt cycling… those stocks are shit as they flex way too much at the fore end….It must be different in other countries as all Howas down here come with picc rails but down here we don’t get many threaded barrels for fear we might make a muffler for our rifles . No suppressors.The don’t trust us down here. Actually they don’t trust us at all….Great video mate🏁

[@kathycarden4389]

Thanks for the review. Good information! One suggestion, if you work the bolt correctly, your thumb will not hit the scope or rings. Jeff Cooper had good instruction on how to work a bolt action. Just a suggestion. I don’t see anyone on KZbin who works a bolt “correctly.”

[@bradleytyrrell4417]

Nice one mate pretty good rifle in my eyes have you seen the Lithgow la102 rifle be good to see you review one cheers mate

[@BAdventures]

Looks like a good value rifle. Good hands on review 👍

[@sinistersilverado965]

I just bought the same rifle, in 7mm PRC, 175gr ELD-X does 0.5"

[@linkchen8245]

Howa has really affordable heavy barreled action sold in brownells.

[@BatColonyEvictor]

I have a 1500 in 243 Win for coyotes and deer. A plastic, detachable magazine is the last thing that I want. Great rifle

[@EpikArms]

Thanks for the feedback

[@geoffholmes7006]

It’s a hunting rifle - not sure either a rail or a detachable mag is worthwhile. One piece rails just block the ejection / loading port and detachable mags fall out in the field…

[@agricola]

Rails make putting scopes on and off much easier

[@alpalmieri8644]

I have the heavy 24 inch 308.1500.I bedded the houge over molded stock with marine tex and put a timney 2 lb trigger in and it shoots 10 shot 3/4 inch groups with fed gold metal match 168 gr and two 165 gr reloads with 165 sierra tippet game kings and 165 gr nosler ballistic tips.3 gmm 3 Sierra's and 4 noslers fired one shot after another for 10 shots.That rifle has consistent accuracy.

[@NelsonZAPTM]

That white goo on the front of the trigger assembly is covering the adjustment screw. Lightly lapp the trigger sear and you won't be needing a Timny. Clean and lightly lube the bolt, that will slick it up nicely. And why the hell do you want a DBM on a hunting rifle unless you're planning on missing alot?

[@mr.mr.3301]

I would hold the front of the rifle down as I shot it. I never thought that made a difference but Ron Spomer did a 308 series and a lot of people commented saying that so he went back and tested. His group tightened up just a little bit of the rifle. It was several months ago if you wanna go take it out.

[@edwardabrams4972]

That’s an old year get shooters trick and does work a lot of the time but so does shouldering and holding the rifle in the bench-rest pocket so you can run the rifle back without holding the stick with your left hand!

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@edwardabrams4972 my thoughts that I have not tested has to do with the weight. The lighter it is the more important it is to hold the front

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Yes the old school way of shooting ware ya actually hold onto the rifle works best. Ya can shoot small cal w that curled under arm thing but w big rifles ya get better more consistent shots holding onto the forend nice n tight. Tried n true since rifles were rifles.

[@giggergigger1]

This!

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

I have Howa 1500 Kryptek 22" heavy barrel in 308. they shoot fine for a budget rifle and can take thousands or rounds. Even with cheap 147gr. training ammo and cheap 4-16x44 Nikko Stirling that came in package great deal.

[@nicodemus7784]

Small correction, the Howa 1500 is the same gun as the Weatherby Vanguard, which came out in 1970, and was always made by Howa for Weatherby. 1979 is just when Howa started exporting them under their own name as the 1500 or M1500. they havent changed it much because it hasnt needed much to be changed. my Howa 1500 is my favorite rifle to shoot. Howa makes a detachable magazine kit for their rifles, an internal box magazine isnt that big of a deal and is preferable in a hunting rifle.

[@kenbyker6696]

Every body comments about a removable magazine vs. a hinged floor plate,as being such a big addition! My personal experience is that a hinged floor plate magazine is no PROBLEM if you take time to use it PROPERLY!!! I put my hand under the floor plate,before releasing the latch and control the ammo as I drop it into my hand! No problem!!! On the other hand ,I see many people removing their magazine,and the misplacing,or lose it and then they are scrambling to replace it,before a upcoming hunting trip,at a cost of $40.00- $60.00!! You can’t fix stupid, but human nature is,what it is!!!🤔😂

[@gand1543]

Hi sir, can you do some Sabatti Tactic review? They are precision rifles made in italia i think, saludos from Argentina!

[@shanerhodes925]

Can't loose a hinged fore plate I can't loose a magazine lol

[@NelsonZAPTM]

It's a hunting rifle. If you can't bag a deer with that, it ain't the guns fault.

[@zebacake4683]

Funny, i started looking at these rifles specifically for the hinged floor plate

[@tfc4713]

Weatherby still has hinge floor plates

[@joeg9200]

Keep the hinged floor plate ditch the plastic cheap magazines

[@jaybailleaux630]

No one blames the oversized power ring on a scope when the bolt handle hits it.

[@EpikArms]

@@jaybailleaux630 they blame either the lack of potion option for a throw lever or opt for a 60° bolt throw.

[@jaybailleaux630]

@EpikArms that eliminates Remington, Winchester, Mauser 98 , and Bagara. Leupold scopes have normal size power rings.

[@EpikArms]

there are plenty of factory options that arent 90 degree. the reason those companies stay with 90 degrees is either because they are lazy (cough cough Remington/winchester) or value a lighter bolt lift over a faster opperating action.

[@jaybailleaux630]

@EpikArms you also need to add that is also easier to obtain 100% bolt surface lug contact to receiver locking surface with 2 bolt lugs than multiple bolt locking lugs .

[@michaellai2062]

Am curious how heavy is the Hera model ? I prefer not to go over 7.5 lbs

[@erickennedy9487]

Why wife just bought one for herself for target practice. Any upgrade advice that’s Cali legal for her.

[@Rucksack57]

A hinged floor plate can not be lost. It’s all that is needed for hunting.

[@fouchejacko4754]

Which scope would you recommend for long range shooting and a little bit of hunting. Between the Vortex venom 5-25x56 and the Arken Optics EP-5 5-25X26?

[@nathanakins6072]

If you happen to be in Canada Arken dosent uphold their warranty for Canadians. Otherwise the arken might be better value for the money. However I have a venom and I’m very happy with it.

[@witchell8976]

Im guessing Discovery

[@DefZen343]

vortex warranty tends to be one of the best in the business, warranty is a big deal when buying chinese scopes, they will eventually fail or wear out with alot of use and when it does it will be easy and free to get a replacement with vortex.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Buy a good Leupold instead and you will thank your self in the future! Having owned hundreds of rifles over the last 60+ years and most had scopes on them because I tend to buy used and save the most to buy more rifles the Leupold scope and warranty are far superior to any other scope in the market for hunting and target shooting! If your just going to target shoot then the Nightforce is the toughest BUT heaviest scope but nothing but top quality . I take Vortex and all the Leupold wannabe’s and either give them to my gunsmith to keep or throwaway because that’s were junk belong is in the garbage🤔😳 I have lost out on big game on Vortex scopes failing and could care less if they warranty every year when it failed in a hunt or target match of a lifetime!

[@DefZen343]

@@edwardabrams4972 sounds like you should have bought Vortexs higher line instead of their chinese line, their scopes come from the same factories as Leupold and every other brand out there, Bottom tier Chinese, Mid tier Philippines and high end are Japanese, some rare times US. Vortex highest line is made with US and Japanese components. Look at the bottom of your scope and it will tell you where its made. assembled doesnt mean made too. Vortex fixes your stuff for free, Leupold, Trijicon and others makes you pay shipping and thats not cheap on a 2k dollar scope with shipping insurance.

[@luked2767]

You can't realy beat this rifle for its price and if you just want to buy one off the shelf, if you modify it with a trigger job and a few other things that don't cost much you have so much bang for your buck. Cold hammer forged barrels if made well can outshoot all but the most expensive hand lapped button rifled barrels. Many nations don't use button rifling anymore as CHF is more economical, accurate, makes the barrel stronger and gives it uniform accuracy. I feel as an off the shelf rifle or even just buying a barrels action and stock it's one of the best rifles for the money and it's built like a tank but it's also very accurate and reliable. Personally I would always buy a barrels action get the stock or chassis you like and use how's or other detachable msgs. I have a mini in 7.62x39, a medium in .308 & 6.5 but also a long action in 7mm mag (not all are marked Howa as they are rebranded) I feel the Howa rifles are very high quality, I have a couple, all of them are as smooth as butter, the stock triggers are accurate, barrel, bolt, firing pin and all of the parts are very high quality. It's made in the same factory that produces weapons for the Japanese military and the rifles are sued by police in Japan and many nations, unofficially they have been used in combat. You can buy them without the mag, Tigger and guard, but the stock trigger is not that hard to modify at home and mine are just how I like them, did not take much time to do a trigger job. As for the floorplate, many like them and how's offers a drop in mag system. Many stocks / chassis have the mag catch installed. They can accept the howa polymer mags or steel mags made by a few manufacturers. It would be nice if they included a rail or made a high spec rail you could buy for them. The actions can be modified to accept AR15 / AR10 and other mags also. I feel they should be updated as in adjustable trigger, stock rail, enough room for mag conversions and more of all a better selection of calibers as they stopped making some. A sub 90 bolt would be nice. I feel if they made a mini action in pistol calibers they would sell like hot cakes. I would like to see more rifles that have good match grade irons also.

[@rascalmatt6713]

tikka tac A1 is what i'd venture is the most accurate. 5 shots less than half MOA at 750 yards with mine.

[@ianpaterson5000]

I bought a Howa heavy barrel .223. It was rubbish. It wouldn't do better than 2-3 MOA with factory or hand loaded ammo. An inspection with a bore scope showed scored grooves and what looked very much like circumferential cracks. It should never have left the factory. I returned the rifle to the supplier and cancelled an order for a 6.5 Creedmoor. I'll never buy another Howa.

[@patrickoberem9109]

My Howa 1500 6.5 Creedmore shoots sub 1 MOA at 600yards... Hornady Precision Match 147gr. GRS stock. 26" barrel. ( Not the sexiest setup but my Howa shoots better than me.)

[@shauno7582]

Two of your biggest pet peeves mate. No rail and no DBM .. you can tell this with your expressions 😂

[@Gator_1313]

Has howa never heard of tikka?

[@funnyriverred2501]

have you tried this in a MDT chassis?

[@ErictheRed_68]

The trigger info is not correct. The HACT trigger is 100% adjustable. Most people that are going to use it for a hunting rifle want a hinged floor plate. 100% reliable and won't fall out of hang down to get in the way. A hinged floor plate is in no way a knock. All of the rifles you compared it to when talking about detachable magazines are cheap pieces of crap. It's cheaper for them to mold a cheap plastic magazine than it is to machine a aluminum floor plate.

[@peterschryver]

I bought the Weatherby vanguard with same Howa action and the instructions show how to adjust the trigger pull. Not sure if the reviewer read the product booklet fore making this video.

[@ErictheRed_68]

@peterschryver , did the Vanguard have the white tamper sealant on the jam nut and threads?

[@peterschryver]

@@ErictheRed_68 No. Not sure why Howa is putting tamper indicator goo on the locknut and adjusting screw, unless they want some kind of liability protection in case someone adjusts it down to the minimum 2.5lbs then complains it’s too sensitive. The trigger is gorgeous and I left mine at the factory setting for hunting purposes.

[@ErictheRed_68]

@@peterschryver , I'm with you. I don't understand why they do it either. I'll have to read my manual again, but I wanna say that I read (could be dreaming this up), that if you removed the tamper seal, that it voided your warranty. Makes no sense to me (other than "liability") why you would have an adjustable trigger, but not want it to be adjusted. It is a fantastic factory trigger though.

[@WJV9]

I actually prefer a hinged floorplate, you can't lose a hinged floorplate. I have seen magazines accidentally get knocked out and if you are hunting in snowy rough country, good luck finding it. The flat floorplate makes the rifle easy to carry with one hand centered at the center point of balance. Once you carry a rifle like that when stalking in brush country you can bend over and carry with one hand while you push brush out of your face with the other arm/hand. Western guys hunting in open sage country don't understand that kind of crawl in hunting.

[@mr.mr.3301]

CHF... Tikka, Ruger American, Sako, Howa... Anything else?

[@Cattledogfever]

I just love Howa. I mean Japanese made..say no more. If you just want an affordable rifle that will shoot well that has no frills but will last a lifetime long after you forgot what you paid.

[@blackhawk2302]

I tend to stay away from hunting rifles, as I don't hunt. I'd like to see your opinion or possible review of the Aero Precision Solus Bravo. They're chambered in 6.5 cm and 308, and they're loosely based on the M24 Sniper Rifle the US Army used to field. It's not a budget rifle, but not high end/custom either. Aero also makes a Solus chassis version you'd probably like....

[@witchell8976]

It hit the scope rail. Downside of a one piece.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

Well the 2 lug bolt was a revolutionary design when Peter and Paul Mauser went to it. Prior to that almost all rifles had 1 lug bolts or they had some sort of toggle or tilting lock. Hunters never had an issue with it and optics as long as the bolt was turned down. It has only become an issue in the last 10-15 years when everyone has to have a scope that looks like a Night Force and is a bloated cow with insanely large occular housing with everything comming off the scope being as chunky, large and knurled. Everything comming off the scope tubes is as chunky as Darth Vaders light saber. He had mechanical protestic hands whats your excuse? If anything when it comes to check weld the problem is that for the most part the OEM rifle manufactures are still giving stock designs that are biased towards iron sights even though few rifles today come with iron sights. If the rifles came from the factory with a proper high comb stock getting a good cheek weld with higher scope mounting would not be a problem. Also you do not see the most accurate shooters on Earth which would be BR followed by F-Open using low scope mounting or a cheeck weld they almost universaly have a chin weld. A lot of F-Open guys are now running BR style stocks which have ZERO comb. So while I like a higher comb stock for all of my shooting the best int he world have largely moved away from it. So cheek weld is not as universal as it once was and most would tell you consistency matters more than any one technique does since you can find champions shooting in many different styles that all contridict each other. I do not shoot free recoil well at all for instance but I know some people that do. So the real solution is not that 99% of bolt action rifles since 1898 are wrong in the bolt design as much as I like 3+ lugs and a trapazoidal design with 60° throw. The real solution is a bit more comlicated. You need a stock with more comb heights, taller more sensible rings, and a scope designed for the purpose not one trying to look cool and tactical. The current problem you are having was not a huge issue for decades before. We did not have as many choices for rings and guys trying to get as close to the bore line as possible where the guys that had issues. Back when objectives where considered large at 44MM and most hunting scope objectives where smaller than that you could get a scope super close to the rifle so close that passing a sheet of paper under the objective bell and the barrel was a challenge. Today the problem is the objective bell on the scopes people think they want are just too large. The occular housing has gotten huge and all kinds of stupid chunky things sticking off of it. If you want to see a hunting scope that does not look tactical or mall ninja cool that works great on a hunting rifle take a look at the Leupold VX Freedom 4-12x40 that is what a hunting scope looks like. You would not have any clearance issues with that sort of scope!

[@NelsonZAPTM]

That's a lot of words there, buddy. I'll summarize for you; It's a hunting rifle, stop bitching about and go harvest a deer.

[@briankelly2886]

I prefer hinged floor plates on my hunting rifles.

[@hauntedone2024]

Wish they made left handed actions

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Floor plate i prefer for hunting. So does anybody who actually hunts hard n covers ground. Cant carry the rifle on the ballance point with a stupid long mag hanging out. Who needs all them shots to hunt an animal. Just gets in the way n makes it heavier for nothing carrying ammo u wont shoot.

[@Englishwithteacher-wj3ct]

A reason I like the 3 position safety. Mine came with a replacement mag well and 5 shot magazine

[@Matto_Harvo]

And most mags look ugly

[@andrewcleveland]

I agree I much prefer the hinged floor plate. Hunting over extremely rugged terrain I have had these detachable mags on the newer budget rifles fall out leaving me with a bolt action single shot. 3 position safeties are also my preferred design to to rough terrain and snagging the bolt end ejecting the cartridge while on safe. I only like the AICS style detachable mags and that’s only on my target rifles, otherwise they give terrible balance points while walking with the rifle. While I’m hunting my rifle is never in my back with the sling always carried in my hands ready for a jump shot, and I’ve killed a ton of deer that way so the rifle has to be comfortable to carry around the action for me. So I’ll keep the hinged floor plate on dedicated hunting rifles.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

@andrewcleveland 💯 agreed. I carry mine too.

[@Thetankguy308]

Please do a review on that howa h7 please!

[@EpikArms]

Your in luck! It's coming out next week

[@Thetankguy308]

I'm looking into the barreled action 6.5 creedmoor from brownells in the carbon fiber barrel..I'm seeing issues online and on KZbin of people having point of Impact problems with carbon wrapped barrels..what it you thoughts? I seen it first hand on classic firearms long range rifle contest they did where Clint had a bergara with a carbon wrapped barrel and it was all over the place. I own the same bergara with the #6 steel heavy barrel and it is a nail driver.

[@Thetankguy308]

what I was trying to say was would you recommend the heavy carbon fiber barrel howa? Maybe do a review??lol

[@willemgreeff4475]

I can adjust my trigger on my howas

[@rene9377]

You can’t lose the internal mag bumping around in the woods😅

[@skillet4068]

Turn the rifle upside down, open the floor plate, drop your rounds in, close the floor plate and you are loaded.

[@deniseandmarkfirestine7443]

I think howa is a very well built and very accurate great rifle!!

[@junkemails5050]

Sometimes is the shooter, WHOTEEWHOO was hitting same holes 100yd with core locket in 300win same gun

[@shawnengstrom3906]

I just don't like the Hogue stock.

[@WJV9]

Buy a different stock. Or a barreled action and pick your own stock, Brownells.

[@peterhrkal8165]

Dude, hinged floor plate is way better. Why do you want a crappy POS mag? You're way off

[@brunoterlingen2203]

Mate, you either need to use hand loads or learn to shoot: I will stick my neck out and say that most if not all Howas are cabable of ½MOA at 250m - end of story.

[@EpikArms]

hey Bruno, thanks for the feedback im assuming you might be new to myc channel thus why you might assume i cant shoot. many of my other videos would demostrate that. from my findings this rifle is quite in line with the competition, but better

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

Yes, even short barrel in 308 which has higher muzzle velocity and with good optics that statement is true. At 150m I had rounds going in same hole and with cheap scope.

[@willemgreeff4475]

You can buy loose mags

[@robertsien1623]

Magazine is the last thing i want on a bolt gun any marine whould agree

[@EpikArms]

for Marine related purposes of for a hunter/sportmans purposes?

[@ScionOfLiberty]

Maybe any, but not every Marine. Jeff Cooper was a marine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper

[@WJV9]

@@EpikArms - Both

[@jaypatrus4077]

HOWA should pay attention to detachable magazine and stock .other than that go with Bergara

[@Simon-talks]

no

[@ericrumpel3105]

.....lol....the other rifles you mentioned are not even close in quality to this Howa, I wish you goutubers would learn to compare facts & not priceing-bullshit. Take it apart & compare the inherent design qualities, the trigger is made of materials with a design that makes it great quality, the ruger for example is trash,....not an opinion - simple math, & the action design on the Howa vs. the other's cheap-ass round-bottom action & flimsey cheap-ass recoil lug are a joke - AGAIN - simple math. I wish goutubers would review facts instead of opinions atleast on the hard facts that are by design & materials used.

[@EpikArms]

Hey Eric, the rifles I mentioned are comparable in price. That why I brought them up. People generally go with a brand they trust regardless that the components may be worse on it than something like this

[@robertsien1623]

The Japanese have a samurai way of assembling thing just like there cars Its like the Toyota of hunting rifles

[@michaelhill6451]

I'd actually be angry if I got a rifle that shot this poorly. "Most accurate production rifle" GTFO of here!

[@Okrifleman]

Same here. I won’t have a gun that won’t shoot sub 1/4” all day.

[@edwardabrams4972]

It just might be the mounts or the way he mounted it or it could be that garbage piece of scope he had on there! I have taken rifles over my 60+ years of collecting and reloading that were either improperly installed or had a crappy scope installed and turned in 1/2” inch groups with factory ammo! I have found most of the time ITS not the rifle but something the SHOOTER did or missed!

[@edwardabrams4972]

@@Okriflemanya ya ya! We have all seen the guy who say this but for one thing only about one in 10,000 rifles shoot a 1/4” inch and 2 you don’t need a 1/4” rifle to take game with that’s why they call it hunting🤔😳 you must be a politician and we all know when they are lying is when their lips are moving😳

[@Flatdec1]

@@Okrifleman LOLx2

[@michaelhill6451]

@@edwardabrams4972 Yeah. I was at the range the other day and had someone who was shooting a custom rifle in 22 LR tell me he would get 0.2 MOA all day with his rifle. I asked him if he meant inches at 50 yards and he said, "No, MOA". When I was walking up to my target I glanced at his and he was printing > 1.5" groups at 50 yards. The fact that the guy came to the range I was shooting at (a 100 yard multi-use range) when there was a range specifically for 22 LR about 10 yards away that was completely empty should have told me that he was the type who goes to the range to socialize and lie about how well he shoots, rather than focusing on actually shooting well.