Tim Burton Reveals Why His Superman Movie Never Got Made (1999)

[@spiddyman0079]

Tim Burton looks like a Tim burton character

[@IllxxllI]

Why is this so funny?

[@estuchedepeluche2212]

spiddyman007 Or he models his characters after himself!

[@ladistar]

Hahahahahahaha so true Lmao

[@icouch]

looks like a white beetlejuice

[@MK_2023.]

@@icouch ....but that character is white.

[@DH_Artist]

Massive respect for Tim Burton having a level of respect and understanding for the characters and hating the corporation side of the studios.

[@sublime90]

"the black stuff coming out of the penguins mouth was too close to the ingredients to there food or something" lol

[@Wade_Fucking_Wilson]

sublime90 mcdonalds is nasty

[@Shadowfire204]

Yeah, pretty much lol

[@justicemoody]

their

[@JStankXPlays]

Well I mean that would be true soooooo....

[@Amalekites]

Their*

[@Ranta1nkkari]

Fun throwback to times when Nicholas Cage was treated like a real actor instead of a joke or a meme.

[@spicydeath82]

well it was before he lost his marbles.

[@Rossa4444]

*Academy Award winner, Nicolas Cage. Put some ‘spect on his name

[@octagonseventynine1253]

I still see him as a real actor. The guy is a genius, he’s just really inconsistent and has a terrible agent

[@superguy7044]

It's just the kids way of expressing their appreciation to the man. He's always been one of my top 5 actors

[@ZappayaZappayo]

You wouldn’t think that a mastermind like Tim Burton, whose films tend to be so eccentric, would be such a down to earth guy. Seems like a cool dude.

[@jonathanjames10p]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@thetalkingnerdz5347]

Why? It’s just a job btw 🤷‍♂️

[@travismarshall3089]

ZappayaZappayo: He does, and it's nice to see him so relaxed and so FORTHRIGHT and actually sort of "normal" as compared to interviews he's done in the last 10 years or so. He's just so open and matter of fact here that it's almost like, by comparison, he's introverted himself in the time since. Or maybe he was just a big fan of Stern and just felt at home.

[@krazed98]

For real, i thought he was going to be a goth/emo elton john type or something

[@brentrandel4458]

ZappayaZappayo he's a Georgia peach to quote

[@TCBC]

This is one of those films that in a alternative version of earth exists and its a absolute insane masterpiece, i wish we could see it.

[@maurianobaruso5859]

Tim Burton's Batman with Michael Keaton NAILED the atmosphere, mood and execution of BATMAN perfectly to this day.

[@neutonikharmonix]

never seen Tim so chilled and relaxed during an interview! you can tell he was having fun.

[@stevemuzak8526]

He directed one of the most original movies ever. His Batman version is a masterpiece.

[@roxtar38]

I've never really seen Tim just talk. This is cool. His films definitely have a certain aesthetic, and it would have been awesome to see that in Superman. The whole "franchising" of comic movies has turned them into child's play even though they break box office records. Joker stands out to me as breaking that mold. Time will tell.

[@krypticchaos6060]

Wait a minute,,, man of steel was a great superman movie,, sadly they ruined it with batman vs superman shortly after and then justice league

[@RJ-ld8ns]

The Executive-Producer he is talking about is Jon Peters. He didn’t like Superman having his traditional suit because it was too colourful. He also wanted the grand finale to be Superman fighting a giant spider. To add to that he also wanted Superman not to be able to fly and Sean Penn was his first pick as Superman. According to various reports Christopher Nolan had WB ban the guy from the set of ‘Man of Steel’ because of his past behaviour and constant script changes etc. Even though he still gets an Executive Producer credit. This guy is one of the biggest contributors in getting Columbia pictures into a fuckload of debt. Using and abusing his new producing powers to get them to shove a load of money Into mediocre movies, then immediately throwing his weight around, even getting into physical fist fights with directors and actors for not following his ideas and script changes. Kevin Smith even expresses the guy is a giant dick. Oh and he eventually got the Giant Spider grand finale in his ‘amazing’ movie...Wild Wild West.

[@lawrencelord9777]

Yup! All correct and Rest In Peace John Schnepp!!!!

[@mikeorange7910]

R J didn’t he use to be a fricking hair dresser also? From handling hair to bothering Tim Burton with his dumb ass ideas and annoying Christopher Nolan.

[@slipknotfan4204]

Kevin Smith's stories about this guy are funny AF 😂😂😂

[@iamteenturtle]

Amazing. People like this are everywhere in movie productions. I wish these people would finally be banned from movies overall

[@Schush]

Cripes at that point, fire his ass

[@studentfilmed]

20 years on and the way big corporations and film makers interact still hasn’t changed. Such a shame.

[@Ionisus]

It got worse ..they are like puppets for these big corporations

[@josephmelton4721]

Ignorance is bliss. Truth- you don't know shit. Blaming big bad evil Coperations keeps it simple for your small brain

[@santishorts]

Oh things have changed alright. Nowadays no director gets to talk shit like this about a cancelled project because everyone has to sign NDAs and all sort of clauses that forbid them from even discussing it in public.

[@eyespy3001]

Along with Star Wars, Tim Burton’s Batman helped set the precedent for “the franchise movie,” especially when it came to comic book properties. Up until then, we just got sequels every so often. But Batman was so big, and the merchandising and licensing for the film was so lucrative, that studios couldn’t help but want to churn out more and more films, even if they weren’t related to the previous installment. And, thus, here we are now, where that’s all we see.

[@thelonelyghosts9004]

Tim Burton seems like such a down to earth cool guy

[@watcher6935]

J Yr , I wonder what he thinks of the textured suit superman wears today? I get what they were saying. They just didn't want flat blue like the 80s superman. Wanted to modernize the suit.

[@locolopez75]

He was bro I am his mechanic I meet him before n now.

[@brendanlittle2498]

Tim Burton saying he doesn’t like reading scripts makes a lot of sense when you see his movies. He mostly is interested in visual story telling rather than dialogue like Sorkin.

[@nikokaapa]

Like Sorkin? More like the opposite of Sorkin.

[@rinraiden]

Batman and Batman Returns will always be two of my favourite films.

[@mikeyyyyyy3312]

Ikr I’m 21 and my all time fav

[@1997residente]

Warner Bros: Tim Burton ruined Batman Tim Burton: How? Warner Bros: You upset McDonald's....now we are gonna starve !

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Returns was terrible

[@dobi287]

What's funny is how literal what he said actually is bc if you remember back then not only were the next films marketed with McDonalds and stuff but batman even tells alfred "I'LL GET DRIVE THRU"!? what!?

[@gaips]

There's an amazing documentary about Tim Burton's Superman called, "The Death of Superman Lives: What Happened?" by Jon Schnepp(RIP) and Holly Payne.

[@Shadowfire204]

I remember him bringing up he made that a long time ago. I need to watch it. Sucks he passed away. RIP

[@surrealcereal603]

Amen, brother. Extremely well done doc... I never knew how badly I wanted to see this completed movie until I saw what they were doing with it.

[@Tizzo1982]

#RIPSchnepp amazing documentary

[@dominiquepowell3158]

Great documentary about the movie that never made!

[@woah.1173]

GAiPS dawg I saw that documentary a few years ago and damn FUCKING AMAZING

[@adamlemus7585]

I can’t believe this interview is 20 years old now. My god what have I done with my life.

[@TsetsiStoyanova]

This was a wild interview

[@DendyJungle]

"don't you have trouble reading scripts?" yeah dude you're both in the darkest room ever wearing shades

[@CheapJabroni]

What do you mean?

[@mrchi3f1179]

@TheHumanity! Do you really even need to ask?

[@prestigek1ngs]

Lol 😂 these dudes ^

[@vortexproductions4206]

@@CheapJabroni faster than a speeding bullet is zips right over your head

[@LemurJackson]

@@CheapJabroni figure it out pin head

[@MisHapMusic]

Me: Watching an informative review about Tim Burton's Superman Howard Stern: Asking entertaining yet deep questions Tim Burton: Trying to provide straight answers whilst also providing interesting insights Random Lady: Repeating things LOUDLY out of sync with the whole conversation!

[@RANDOMPEPSIBOTTLES]

His bruce wayne wasn't such a rich playboy, more like a rich weird dude to the public eye, and that is the best version we had.

[@imacg5]

Batman IS weird. Maybe billionaires secretly fighting crimes wearing tights was sexy in the 1930s, but it definitely stopped being so since the 60s. On second thought, "we hate the billionaires, but some of them are doing good and taking the blame for the bad ones" might be close to what we feel now, which is the message of Nolan's Batman.

[@chudd6125]

Spot on man!

[@dobi287]

I think batfleck is better but they're both superior to bale's Bruce/ batman

[@johndez5213]

I agree.. because at the end of the day, we all love the Christopher Nolan batman but that was waayy too serious.. Michael Keaton pinned it just right.

[@BodilessVoice]

Hands down

[@NeonKC]

"i'd never heard of the word franchise until a few years ago" jeeez i wonder what he thinks of the movies of today

[@rolandofgilead43]

i love Burton's films the best to be honest as Keaton is my favorite batman and sadly he's to old now but ever since(1992) i've wanted him to do another batman. and i'm sorry but Nic Cage as Superman thank fucking god that wasn't made that would have been terrible. now don't get me wrong i love the actor but not him as superman. he was a better fit as Ghost Rider to be honest

[@AdAstra78]

Yet he's helped create the template for generic, hollow crap in cinemas recently.

[@quickcar5255]

@@rolandofgilead43 Cage would have made a good Superman. He was an actual fan of the character too.

[@HarmlessComment]

This interview was from 1999, now "franchise" is a word that commonly follows most of the comic movie titles

[@BrandonNielsen87]

Nic in Con Air acted cool and well collected. Would’ve worked fine for Superman. Oh well.

[@AceHole90]

Burton is legit one of the most artistic directors of all time. Batman 89 is my batman film. 🤙

[@20rileybob]

I would love to see Howard get Tim Burton back on now a days and go over career and such. Would be awesome, greatness talking with greatness!!

[@JonnyUnderrated]

and then they kiss on the lips too? Yes...yes wonderful idea!

[@dobi287]

He explained the frustrations of working with a studio but not why superman wasn't made

[@aaronperez6379]

Because of Jon Peters. He owns the rights to any Superman movie made and a producer on huge films. Guy is a moron. He was a hairdresser turned Executive Producer over night with no experience.

[@davidryals4168]

Batman '89 still the greatest.

[@glocknineteen9190]

David Ryals *STILL MY FAVORITE BATMAN MOVIE . I HAVE A KIM BASINGER FETISH BECAUSE OF THAT MOVIE .*

[@solidsnake1305]

The Dark Knight says hi

[@DanGeezyPresents]

David Ryals hell no the dark knight by far

[@dennisjr77]

Yep!

[@e.l.norton]

I still don't see what people love about that movie. It's a solid "Ok". But, beyond that, WHAT was the big deal? I saw it when it came out and walked out confused about the "awesome movie" Batman was. Jack made the movie MUCH more watchable. Keaton was fine. But, the movie is pretty forgettable. I'm not a Burton fan with the exception of Beetlejuice. Maybe that's the issue for me. I think Bale's Batman was far superior. But, those Burton films?...meh.

[@boskostoybox]

Burton: "You don't want to treat it like an ice capades show." Joel Schumacher: "Thank god he wasn't talking about me."

[@GeoZero]

His Batman movie with Michael Keaton was the very best

[@stephaniestrolls]

This is an interesting perspective on moviemaking. It really is about the dollar. He had a brilliant movie vision but it didn't fly because it wouldn't have made a good Happy Meal toy.

[@adamzanzie]

Stephanie Temo It’s moreso that the Superman movie didn’t get made because it would’ve cost like $300 million and there was never a satisfying script written, so Warner Bros. pulled the plug.

[@spyrosmoustakopoulos5852]

@@adamzanzie It's worth mentioning that even if they had gotten around the script problems for Superman Lives, it wouldn't happen either way, probably. At that point in time, particularly late 1997, early '98, Warners had the worst track record of high budget productions failing at the box office, including Schumacher's Batman & Robin that same year, so the risk of financing Burton's film was highly unlikely to be taken, not when the parent studio was facing some big losses over an awful lot of mediocre films being released in that same period of time. As much as I would've liked to see Tim's take on the Superman mythos, I think this film shouldn't be made at all, since it's been over 20 years and the drive for Burton and crew to make it isn't really there, anymore. Especially in today's climate dominated by Marvel and Star Wars for the most part, it just wouldn't work. And besides, this current decade wasn't the most exceptional for Burton's output, just putting his tired Burtonesque stamp on pre-existing properties and such, and not working on new original concepts from the ground up.

[@AdAstra78]

Yet, ironically, he's been making Disney 'products' for well over a decade now...

[@StevieStitches]

@@adamzanzie It's that Warners co-chairmen Bob Daly and Terry Semel saw how Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin had flopped at the time in 1997 and that scared them away from superhero movies so they actually green lit Barry Sonnenfeld's Will Smith Wild Wild West instead of Tim Burton's Superman, and they were still freaked out about the "too dark" backlash against Burton's Batman, thinking that Tim Burton was too dark for their Batman Happy Meals deal with McDonald's and too scary for kids.

[@elgiron5600]

Burton disappointed me with Dark Shadows. McDonald's toys or not. 👎

[@kicka11]

Howard stern commenting on the unusual appearance of Nic Cage is definitional irony.

[@handsomebrick]

It's kind of funny to hear Howard say that the script was written by Kevin Smith, long after Smith disclosed the full story about all of the strange requirements that Jon Peters made for the script and all the changes that he made. Not to mention that apparently Burton never even considered using that script and was doing his own thing the moment they hired him.

[@jpjpjpjpx]

I really can't imagine Nick Cage as Superman... but it looks like Burton was going for eccentric, which would have been interesting.

[@matthewbryant2972]

It took Batman coming out before people stopped making fun of that casting...

[@bigbuddhaiswatching...101]

"I have trouble reading some of my own scripts." Yeah that unfortunately shows in a lot of his recent work.

[@ladistar]

Damn Lmao savage

[@JessicaChastainFan]

Tim Burton made the two greatest Batman films of all time. Nolan and his films will forever be hounded by Burton's legendary duology.

[@Vicmustaine1]

I've read a lot of comments here saying that not only would Nic Cage be a joke, but also Tim Burton is hit or miss. I think people aren't realizing the time this movie was in the works. We're looking at them in today's standards. Back in the mid 90s, Nic Cage was a prolific actor who had just one an Oscar, and Tim Burton was a revered director with one great movie after another. Now, people are saying Nic would've been a terrible Superman. People said the same thing about Michael Keaton as Batman because of his background in comedies and that all changed. I mean, it could've been terrible, but at the same time, I could've been an amazing movie that we'll never get to see.

[@Bmayo27]

Howard “The Original Joe Rogan” Stern

[@jimcameron1234]

Let him speak

[@thecollectingconnoisseur6345]

Everyone who enjoyed the idea of a time burton superman movie needs to go and look up THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN LIVES. It's a documentary and a rather thorough one by a wonderfully cool guy named john schnepp he basically did it all by himself as far as getting it rolling to be made and everything. Unfortunately he passed away not long after he made it. It was sad to see him go. He was on collider movie talk amc movie talk. He loved comic books and really wished this movie wouldve been made. Check him out. Peace dudes.

[@stevangonzalez5908]

It was a great documentary. Schnepp was a great guy

[@RollingOrmond]

Schnepp was a stuck-up prick in real-life. Met him once.

[@-a-cb-l9000]

This is the first time I ever heard anyone excited for nicholas cage being Superman.

[@steelberg23]

Long live Jon Schnepp

[@danharmon8763]

So Burton would have taken millions of dollars and started filming a major motion picture without a script. What a genius!!

[@alhazed]

Not like an icecapade show" enter Batman & Robin..

[@TxWIll]

Chill oooout

[@casualfox3572]

Tim Burtons Batman is still the best Batman.

[@albertdraper1157]

“You want to treat it seriously, not like an icescapade show”... Batman and Robin

[@hollywoodsaint57]

Batman with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson was BAD ASS!!! 💪💪💪

[@EMAN-tx7lp]

A simpsons character interviewing a Tim Burton character

[@IblewuponyourfaceIII]

Nicholas Cage as Superman??? Is he fucking Nuts???

[@darkhawk123]

Nick Cage was a questionable choice imo.

[@chrisjdgrady]

So was Michael Keaton... but it worked.

[@ne2952]

darkhawk123 he was great in Wild at heart. He could have pulled it off back then with Burton directing.

[@gallery7596]

Feel the same way. And even though it was a hit, I think Michael Keaton looked wrong as Bruce Wayne- and it appeared more like the Bat suit was wearing him rather than the other way around.

[@jamesshepherd9390]

I agree by today's standards, but the thing is, Superman at that time was notorious for having the mullet, and so back then it wasn't so far off as a casting choice.

[@briefcaseblues6061]

Out of the question imo. He's so horrible sometimes

[@AlexBaldwinFTW]

This is the most chill Tim has seemed in a while.

[@johncooper7663]

Love tim burton.....his creativity and candor scares the hollow wood suits

[@MarktheMartian]

Tim's Batman was the best one hands down

[@lcceo22]

No. No it wasn't

[@LthlMustang]

Tim Burton is awesome. I have Batman & Batman Returns posters hanging on my wall. I loved these movies and I remember going to the theatres to see Batman Returns and getting the toys at McDonald's back in the day. Im 33 Years old...

[@Yourname942]

Nicholas Cage would be a terrible Superman, but it would have definitely been interesting.

[@flipwright1138]

Maybe Bizarro Superman.

[@tastethejace]

And Michael Keaton would have been a terrible Batman. And Heath Ledger would have been a terrible Joker.

[@Ogrematic]

@@flipwright1138 Yeah, dude.

[@joeyday1252]

I used to think that until I watched the Death of Superman Lives documentary. They actually had some crazy (in a good way) and interesting ideas. Would have been the trippiest movie of all time.

[@cheddarcheese7928]

I was always thankful that Nick Cage never portrayed Supes on the big screen..But after hearing them talk about the whole alien thing.And how Cage is strange enough to play that.And how Superman didnt have to be typically handsome as a change..Not sure if it would have been a great movie..But it would of been an interesting one..

[@jackhackett80]

I can't be the only one glad the movie never happened. Burton is a genius, for sure. He really brings that classic early German impressionism to modern cinema. Heavy use of mise-en-scene. He knows what he wants. But what he wants isnt always popular. Sometimes I feel his talent gets wasted.

[@zipgow]

If this movie were made, it would have been the last dark Superman movie though. Maybe then, we'd have a JL in which not every single character has to be Batman.

[@Ogrematic]

Sad. It's like they were trying to sabotage it. Tim Burton is awesome. Love you, Howard.

[@4Everlast]

Michael Keaton as the next Joker!

[@celticfox]

Tim Burton is famous for hating comic books, I'll tell you why this movie never got made... DC didn't want Superman to be completely disliked by the people actively buying comics.

[@MAM-nm6lq]

This is Comic book movie history right here

[@asherhetch6102]

Tim Burton was basically making The Dark Knight way before its time

[@rossdiamondthief6627]

And the Dark Knight has merchandising toys lol

[@DonVal86]

He wishes.

[@pluckychicken7656]

He reminds me of Ralph a bit

[@9419cmcc]

Ralph and Ben Stiller combo

[@swiftslick]

Wreck-It Ralph? Cirella is an insult to humanity.

[@forfurferfries9584]

Howards Ralph, Mixed with Ralph from the Simpsons

[@generyan4043]

Plucky Chicken they look identical!

[@pluckychicken7656]

Gene Ryan it wouldn’t surprise me if Ralph has met Tim Burton, I could see him being a fan of his films.

[@caneface87]

We can only imagine what this would of been like. Batman was amazing

[@claireevergreen6941]

When the money comes from people who don't have a creative bone in their body tell the creative person they hired how to be creative. I see the industry lives up to it's name..... For all these years.

[@briefcaseblues6061]

I do wish they would have pulled the plug on his Charlie and the Chocolate Factory bs. That was rancid

[@JEProcks]

Another great example of why Howard is the best.

[@notinterested8452]

This is gold.

[@Ephisus]

I feel like its unusual to see Tim Burton enjoying himself at all.

[@HeviRane]

it's not too late, I really want to see this movie

[@pferreira1983]

It could be interesting although I'm more interested in Batman Triumphant.

[@Howard007]

Beautiful hair, Tim

[@shinigami146]

This is the first time I have seen Tim Burton interviewed. I always assumed he was British. He is very down to earth and great interview. A nice peek into the idiocy of some hollywood producers.

[@lex_rodriguez]

Tim Burton is one if my favorite directors, but quite frankly he doesn't fully understand these characters. I appreciate his take on the characters and his influence on the aesthetic of the Batman universe is immeasurable, but I think he misses the point of these characters and the ideals behind them, especially Superman from what he said in this interview. I still would of loved to have seen his take on Supes though.

[@kahmhalen4094]

Micheal Keaton was the best Batman on the big screen.

[@stluc1233]

Christian bale has entered the chat

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

Apparently you ever heard of Gilbert Dernum

[@josephborderline]

until bale came along

[@glocknineteen9190]

E Dog *MICHAEL KEATON WAS THE BEST BATMAN , BUT CHRISTIAN BALE WAS THE BEST BRUCE WAYNE .*

[@KevyNova]

Burton made the best version of Batman but man am I glad that his Superman movie never got made.

[@chriswilson3126]

Superman Lives would've been an absolute mess. Everything we've seen of the film from design to story is shit. It's a good thing it didn't get made.

[@henrymartyn]

Hollywood is slowly destroying the legitimacy of creative, artistic moviemaking.

[@la-zh4231]

There’s a great documentary on this, they changed the script so many times it was pathetic. They didn’t even want him to fly.

[@decwhite2080]

Tim Burton Is the definition of ‘just wing it’ see what happens

[@travelingecho]

This interview makes me like button even more.

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

Tim Burton: There was no script for Superman. Kevin Smith: Am I a joke to you?

[@joeybader8342]

Loving that Jon Schnepp shout out

[@D00R]

“Michael Keaton looks crazy” “he looks demented all the time and Nicholas Cage looks like he’s from another planet.” Shiit lmao They should turn it into an animated movie and bring back Cage, Keaton and Walken.

[@oroncz]

Howard you F@&"+;g (can't believe I just censored myself) genious! Nowhere is there such an authentic interview with Tim Burton who is usualy shy and dry. He feels so confident infront of you that it's like watching someone new!

[@MrFarnanonical]

"They thought Batman was too dak" Yeah that was the problem they had with Batman Vs Superman, which is a film based on the Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman. Two of the darkest comic stories. Batman in general is supposed to be dark.

[@BOBANDVEG]

Lol ,. .. "Goth"am

[@barbaryn7899]

Ironic how now they try to make all these movies dark and that's why Tim says they didn't want his Superman. Now we just have to deal with terrible Superman movies like Batman vs Superman, man of steel I thought ok but all Superman movies blow.

[@misterbobdobalina]

That Tim Burton Superman idea would’ve been garbage

[@buckyboy28]

Pretty sure when Tim was saying nobody wants Robin, he was talking about Quivers.

[@audibletapehiss3764]

Man, it woulda been so cool to hear Tim Burton answer these questions.

[@sigoy]

Came here to hear Tim Burton talk. Still waiting...

[@mikegarrigues9397]

Nicolas Cage as Superman would have been a Monumental disaster

[@jonathanjames10p]

I'm gunna steal the declaration of Krypton

[@wolfhammer88]

I wish it was made. We needed the CAGE as Superman. It would have been so bad and so good

[@opinionsnotfacts]

Batman Returns was a bit too unsettling but at least the character was taken seriously, it wasn't just this extended episode of SNL which is exactly what Batman Forever is

[@no-ee]

He has a very unique style of filming. The studios need to understand that.

[@elliotness11]

One of the most underrated filmmakers, doesn’t get enough credit

[@sifatshams1113]

Those pictures of Nicolas Cage as Superman were explanation enough.

[@africaRBG]

Is this anyone else's first time actually seeing tim burton? And being shocked at how young he was in '99? Lol

[@bmarkyt132]

If I was Howard having that lady interrupt constantly would drive me nuts. I’m from the U.K. so maybe i don’t get it. I’m surely she’s a lovely person etc.

[@DH_Artist]

bmarkyt132 if I was Tim I’d be pissed off at BOTH of them interrupting me constantly and answering their own questions... why even have guests on the show if you’re not gonna let them talk?

[@iguanapoops]

She's like his best friend

[@davida6146]

bmarkyt132 that “lady” is Howard’s longest co-worker whom both were fired from the same radio network... they band together and created their own. I’m pretty sure “that lady” has more privileges than you think... although I agree with you but tbh Howard does the same too lol

[@Kylefassbinderful]

Keaton is my fav Batman. Maybe cause i saw the Burton Batman movies as a kid I'm a bit biased but I loved that he didn't really play the superhero kinda characterization

[@Inflames420]

Seeing the photo credit go to Jon Schnepp and Holly Payne made me smile. R.I.P. Jon Schnepp.

[@The-Dom]

Superman with baggy basketball shorts and boots with flames on them sounds like it could actually be worse than superman vs batman.