Leaky Camry - Why did I not seek a refund?

[@nigelbaldwin752]

Two things that show wisdom - We should always pick our battles, and secondly is the stress worth it. Well done Ian, good decision for all the reasons you give in my opinion.

[@Toby_the_Glen]

Filling in a few SCC online forms is hardly a 'battle'. Bottom line is, consumer rights were hard fought for, if you roll over and let them get away with it you're simply allowing them to rip-off off another innocent buyer!

[@j.h.9410]

"I knew it wasn't mint...but I wanted it anyways" Exactly the same reason as why I've bought all the junk I've had over the years. 😉

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

Having run my own company for 20 years, I have learned to walk away from time consuming cases, that will only end up being frustrating and fruitless. Think your approach makes sense, choose your battles. Still love the twin rear wipers 😉👍🇯🇵

[@nicks2528]

I think you are big enough to admit you got caught it happens to the best of us as long as you generally come out on top I think that’s all anyone can hope for

[@SiCrewe]

Did you ever get in touch with Paul Woods, of Woodsport, for advice? Most of his experience with the Camry V6 involves fitting them into MR2s but he probably knows more about the engines than anybody else in the UK and he's usually happy to provide advice by phone too. Last time I was there (which was, admittedly, a few years ago) he also had a big pile of used bits left over from customers who'd had fancy new bits fitted so he might be able to find you a cheap replacement cylinder head too, if that's what you need.

[@t5jerry]

what great advice..............

[@XXSNIPERUKXX]

Funny how you mentioned Paul I was talking to him last week at classic and retro autos Ltd

[@martinrule1569]

I’ve learned a lesson from you today Ian. Thank you for that, sometimes “justice” isn’t worth the stress and cost of the battle and your response to the “name and shame” idea makes total sense even though I would probably have gone that route and regretted it. Great old cars and life advice what’s not to like?? I think being seduced by twin rear wipers is more than understandable too. The only thing I would say is please don’t put yourself down, just because you’re a decent human being and make mistakes it certainly doesn’t mean your an idiot. Your channel brings so much enjoyment to so many and has at times helped me navigate some pretty serious lows so thank you for that too 👍🏼👍🏼

[@stuarthall2180]

Very straight car without an engine ! Just heard you paid £2k for a car with no engine and a short Mot ! People look up to you. They deserve better.

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Sometimes we buy with our heart rather than our heads and I have done that on more than one occasion and been stung twice, but a informative video saying there is still rights if you buy a duff car, apart from the leaky heads its still a cracking car and I know you and Chas will get it sorted.

[@BungleBare]

In Ian’s case there’s a greater degree of being able to take it on the chin. Fixing the issue (or not- we’ll see) can generate content on this channel, and thus income. Those without a KZbin channel who are stung in a similar way can’t be so sanguine about it - no doubt why Ian took the time to point out that although he’s chosen not to go down that route, someone in a similar situation has consumer rights they could choose to try and use.

[@Pfirtzer]

@@dizzy2020 A neighbour of mine buys old beaten cars, a Suzuki wagon r+ , Multipla's, Daihatsu Move and on and on, drives them a year or 2 and sells them again. I don't think he paid more than 800 euro's for them. My car is already 20 years old and will be 21 this year. Yes I had some costs in 2013 but overall no major isues as oil, new tires and 15'' alloy wheels. Also improved some stuff like cruise control and 2 DIN android multimedia with navigation, sensors and camera in the back but I did most work myself so. It can be done if you know what you buy and just watch out who is selling the car.

[@Witheredgoogie]

A few people are under the illusion that Japanese and German marque cars go on forever with just an oil change, hence they keep a good price, but at the end of the day they rust and break things just like any other. Besides this is has more entertainment value than an £800 Mondeo or Vectra wagon that has been beaten into the ground but just keeps on going, and if not the parts are cheap and all about.

[@JWOLDING]

Toyotas mostly go on forever. This series of V6 engine were known for doing head gaskets. Toyota lost the plot with their head gaskets when they went asbestos free in this era. (They adressed this properly with the alloy 1MZFE V6 just after this) Pretty much everything else about this model Camry is bullet proof. The 2.2 litre 4 cylinder version in this same body shape will go on forever with basic servicing. I have seen half a million kms on 4 cyl versions on an original engine here in Australia. In every other way they are better than a Vectra. Vectras and Astras are a joke here. They marketed well and drove well but became a headache quickly. Once the heads are fixed properly he will have a great car. He has bought a tidy example so it isn't too bad spending the resources on it.

[@FuzzWoof]

@@JWOLDING I've had incredibly bad luck with Toyotas personally - had three and each one was an absolute money pit which spent more time off the road than on. But saying that, I also owned an Alfa which was utterly faultless and two 80's Jags which had perfectly functional electrical systems, so I'm pretty sure at this point that I just live in some sort of crazy automotive alternate dimension.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I hope you fix it properly in the end. I never considered having to do a head gasket a bad thing. It really is a good excuse to fix up and restore many things that may cause future issues.

[@timothysimpkins6229]

You bought a right lemon with twin wipers at the back. He see you coming.

[@DavidR_192]

*saw

Because he had two wipers.

[@clintlear182]

Timothy Simplekins...

[@adamrowthorn6878]

I had a similar issue with a dodgy dealer. They refused to anything about the broken down (car that wasn't as described). I took them to small claims court. Got my money back, interest and he had to pay cost. It felt great, as the small chap, to beat the bully.

[@iantogriffin9928]

Love you selling yourself on the car being a good car without an functional engine. Made me smile, just like my dad when he was with us. Always found a way to sell a bad idea to my mom. Brilliant to know you have great techs like Chas to help you. Good luck. I do not regret getting Covid in 2021 I found your channel and life is good.

[@johnalees99]

We've all been there and fallen in love with a car, even when the dealer has been slightly (or a whole lot) dodgy. It happened to me when I bought my MX5, but I stuck with it, and ended up learning a lot of new mechanical skills keeping it running and improving it. And it served me well for 10 years. You;ll get there on this one and it'll make a fine addition to your fleet.

[@23chilled]

i got burnt with an mx5 mk2. 5 miles from the sellers house it started to have issues. fixed the issues. then more issues. fixing something every week. best thing that car needed was someone to drive into the back of it and say buy buy to it. Its a fun for 5 mins car. Miserable rust bucket pile of shite the rest of the time

[@tonycox5625]

I've got a MK1 MX5 that's 30yrs old this year, rust free, passed every MOT and has never needed anything apart from servicing, tyres and brakes and a belt change, as with most things bought bought second hand it's just comes down to looking properly and buying from a decent seller.👍

[@bigyin.7710]

I've used Steel Seal on a mates C4 which had a head gasket issue, it did do the trick, hundreds of miles later still running ok.

[@user-ih7gc7dt9l]

Wow things have certainly changed when you can say an old Camry wagon could be an appreciating asset!

[@davidanderson8407]

Well Ian you got real expert help to hand .who knows some one out in hub nut land may hear of a replacement cylinder head for you. The bigger picture is that maybe you can save the Camry from the scrap yard.

[@Adam.Piper62]

As car lovers we have all once or twice (or more) bought a car that really was a terrible idea just because we love it. End of the day as you say this will make a fantastic car, and once it's done it will be another one saved for many years to come. Nothing wrong with making a mistake - it's how we deal with it that really matters. Nobody is judging. Or if they are, they are quite frankly stupid. The amount of sheds my family and me have bought in my time it's quite frankly heroic but they've all turned out decent in the end...

[@Grantly]

Sometimes it's just bad luck. I've bought cars for 400 quid that last forever. Some for 2k that died catastrophicly. It's the usual. Look for history.

[@neodonkey]

Solid choice on not going with the hassle. Cooling issues is the one thing I thoroughly check a car for now buying second hand because I've been burned too many times (no pun intended). Ex-Mrs had an MG F that went through 3 heads in 2 years. I recently dated a woman briefly who also had an MG F and on our first trip out I was greeted by the oh so familiar sickly sweet smell of hot coolant wafting from the engine compartment behind us. I didn't have the heart to tell her. The relationship didn't last and I'm willing to bet the head on her MG F didn't either. Now when I buy a car I insist on seeing it fully warmed up and then standing until the fan kicks in and inspect for any signs of leaks, mayo, radweld, etc.

[@Breene17]

Came over from matts channel and got to say love this channel aswell working my way through your channel and its so cool seeing different cars hence why I like this channel

[@HubNut]

Cheers! Welcome.

[@leightondavies6867]

No shame Ian, what's the worst that can happen, you document it's repair which gives you content for the channel, we all get invested in the car and then when it's repaired it's a sweet double rear wiper possessing car.Win Win, sod the negative people with nothing better to do

[@CarSpyTV]

A logical assessment, Ian. Hopefully the car will come good in the end. It looks like it deserves to be saved.

[@menditman2004]

Ian I totally agree with you, I wouldn’t have wanted the hassle either, also you do have a great channel to protect. I had similar issues when I bought my old merc sprinter van, it even when back and they lied to me that they had fixed an injector leak, then after that they got nasty. But 3 years on and fixing the 4 leaky injectors over that time it’s just flown through its mot and been a great van. You’ve done the right thing and its definitely worth fixing. Good luck with it 🙂👍

[@Hairnicks]

We've all had our fingers burned Ian, a few times in my case, I would say I should have followed my gut feelings at the time but was seduced but the desire to own a particular car. As an ex-copper I should have known better, but also as an ex-copper you are taking the right attitude, if you went down the refund road with dealers like this you are on a hiding to nothing and could open a distressing can of worms. Sort it out, and if it costs a bit of money, then when it's fixed use it and get some value back, it's a nice car.

[@terencehawkes3933]

Ian, the fact pressure is leaking out of a cylinder and pushing coolant out of the reservoir, no additive is going to fix it. Also, there is a residue that shows an additive has been tried before. The only solution for that car is a full expensive teardown. I am sorry for your loss and am impressed with the mature way you are taking it. Better luck with the next car.

[@auser1484]

I've had several of these cars over the years. The 5sfe, the 3vzfe and the latter 1mzfe in the shape up for this. I still have my old 2.2 exhaust in the shed after the head gasket went. That age of Camry were built in Japan, but everything I'd heard was that the estate version was built at Toyota's plant in Kentucky. I'd love another one but fuel costs at 23/24mpg make it not possible right now. :(

[@MrButtonpresser]

I think your course of action makes perfect sense. It's a sound car with an issue. Get that sorted and you are still in front.

[@mannion1985]

I wish I was as logically and emotionally mature as you are. Hearing g you explain this, I completely agree with everything. If I were in this situation I'd be losing sleep to anxiety about arguing with the dealer and probably causing myself a world of pain hopelessly fighting it out with someone who does this all the time to ultimately get nowhere. You're a good person and a pleasure to watch and learn from.

[@SteveDull]

Great seeing you back in good spirits. Keep focused on the positives and the 'Good Times' will soon roll on in!

[@wirdy1]

Very wise decision. We've all been there with heart-over-head car purchases & for a lot more than £2k, so you're quite lucky. The camry is a solid, rare & interesting car & with the help of your knowledgeable friend you will come out of all this with a smile on your face.

[@stephenshippam9374]

Hi Ian,I totally agree with your reason,I have been in the same situation once before, when it snaped it's cambelt after two weeks, Hopefully it will work out for you.. And the best of luck with your upcoming MOTs Look forward to your next video.

[@Garffey]

Sorry youre having trouble with the Camray Ian and I fully understand your thoughts, as where else would you buy another!!....Had a few lemons in my time buying used cars, nut had success using consumer laws when a gearbox broke itself and that was at a large well known dealers...lot less likely to happen with a small fly by night set up. Always think you're buying someone else's troubles!! Hope you get it sorted ok.

[@tristanpage6805]

Completely understand. I had a v70 just the same. It needs work but now I’m emotionally envolved and only me is fixing it.

[@volvo480]

Very very coincidentally I have watched JayEmms video on a Ferrari 360 that was sold with dodgy MOT just prior to this one. They didn't return the car because this one had the colour and mileage the buyer wanted and then someone else would be scammed. So I think if this is the car you want, bite the bullet and sort out the car.

[@youtube-is-hopeless]

I have the sedan(saloon) version of that car. It is quiet and goes about its business well. Toyota used the 3VZ V6 in the early Lexus ES300. It is easy to understand why when in the Camry.

[@rwd323]

Very diplomatic, I wish I could remain so level headed in these kind of situations!

[@martinmentor]

There is a good lesson there, to take care with your purchashing choices. I think that you have made a good measured decision, which is another in it self, very helpful

[@405_hive]

The car is lovely. Glad you’re fixing the beast....properly...for all your reasons..

[@nickc4518]

Very sensible perspective and one I happen to agree with. When you are buying elderly 2nd hand cars it always going to have a large slice of risk attached. Pursuing dodgy dealers is going to be a lengthy hassle. You either avoid them completely or accept the risk you might get stung.

[@grayfool]

Sounds reasonable to me. It is an unusual car too. Good luck Ian. I will be watching with anticipation.

[@nestrac]

I'm glad to hear that there's light in the of the tunnel and your are sticking with it.. Loved the spilage goof.. And that exhaust is silence compared to the old Audi A6 2.6 Quattro a (young) buddy of mine owns...

[@retrocarsyndicate8867]

I think you’re exactly right what you just said about that car and the good thing is that that car will be worth more money in the future hope everything goes okay with that car look forward to seeing it being Improved

[@davidflamee]

Hopefully, and only time will tell, she still turns out to be a good investment. I agree with your reasoning too. This car has many positives, let's see how things pan out.

[@jamesfrench7299]

It's immensely practical. I used to favour the V6 and still would be tempted in this particular body series as they sound the nuts but now I favour the boring four cylinder model as that's Toyota's forte (get it?). You already heave a satisfying six anyway.

[@660einzylinder]

A very pragmatic way of thinking. I once faced challenging a reputable dealer over a cosmetically lovely Renault 16 that suffered a rear suspension collapse due to hidden rust (under old, but apparently perfect underseal), after much advice, thought, discussion, angst and heartache, I decided to take it on the chin and moved on...to something much, much worse! Shame, because the 16's were superb cars.

[@markh1085]

Oh Ian, I saw the collect and journey home videos , the filming in the car park and the car looked great. This is appalling. I had a similar thing with an insignia a few years ago . So much stress and money lost…. Around the tune of £4700 . I do understand the stress factor . Best decision

[@threeinone6977]

Don't worry about it Ian, I once bought a Austin/BMC LD ex-ambulance, converted to a camper just because I liked the cab. Paid the price, cylinder head, core plugs, leaking brakes etc.. But am I still glad I bought it.....Absolutely.

[@426baron]

One thing I learned the hard way : NEVER buy from traders. They know all sorts of ways to polish turds, get complacent MOTs and dodge any responsability after.

[@Toby_the_Glen]

Whereas private sellers are paragons of virtue!

[@Adam.Piper62]

That really is quite a stupid comment. Whether you buy private or trade there're dodgy people always lurking - I know many traders that are decent & many private people that are dodgy. And vice versa of course. At the very least with a trader if you really are persistent you can go down the legal route, with a private seller absolutely nothing you can do. Obviously the few skum do not outnumber the many angels, but you just have to be careful wherever you're buying from.

[@426baron]

@@Adam.Piper62 you sound like a very nice person.

[@averagemodernmale]

It all depends on the value of the car being sold and I imagine. I just buy low value cars from private sellers to save all the hassle. Low value car -

[@charlessmillie8774]

Well done sir totally agree 👍. Let's take this car sort it out for prosperity. Chas.

[@jaggass]

When i bought my A3 TDI many years ago it was belching blue smoke every time i pulled away or floored it. The dealer i bought it from said there's nothing wrong with it. I took it to an Audi specialist and said the turbo blew it's seals due to being overfilled with oil. The dealer refused to pay for the repair bill until i mentioned trading standards and court. It cost £1000 to fix and was fine after that.

[@DavidR_192]

People who buy Audis (and drive them like Audi drivers) deserve everything they get. Audi drivers are a poison to society!

[@this_is_a_tiny_town]

I'm not an Audi specialist but to be honest I can't understand how being overfilled with oil would blow the turbo seals. This isn't a smart alec, know-it-all comment btw, if there is a reason this would blow the turbo seals I would genuinely like to know.

[@jaggass]

@@DavidR_192 I was actually a good Audi driver.

[@jaggass]

@@this_is_a_tiny_town Only going from what the Audi specialist said. When the oil was drained there was 1.5L more than it should have had and oil got past the turbo seals and blew it. When i was shown the turbo it was caked in oil.

[@this_is_a_tiny_town]

@@jaggass but the turbo seals are at the mercy of oil pressure rather than the volume in the sump. The oil pump would deliver the same pressure regardless if it was overfilled. Overfilling can have consequences but I wouldn't expect the turbo seals to suffer.

[@m7m7]

I admire your patience. I hope you sort the Camry problem soon!

[@markpitt5248]

Ian you are a good honest bloke and you can sleep soundly at night knowing that, the seller/dealer will have to go through life knowing he can’t earn an honest living.

[@jncg2311]

The way the value of second hand cars is going just now, it still looks like a reasonable deal! Another agreement here: Own your decisions and move forward with it with the least stress necessary. I've had to do the same in the past, having been blinded by my heart during a purchase, those were most often the cars I got the most satisfaction from owning. I bet a less vigilant buyer could have gone months and possibly thousands of miles having dismissed the problem as an overfilled expansion bottle, especially as it's not mixing with the oil. Glad you caught it quickly and that it'll be fixed properly.

[@peterhartley3704]

Nitro Silvia is a superb channel. Recommended. Knows how to fix and weld a car.

[@BrorAppelsin]

In my opinion it tells a lot of your character that you accept that you also are at fault here for buying the car when you (correctly) suspected that everything was not right. I've been burned a few times myself and paid the price.

[@goclunker]

Just replace both heads. Have them pressure tested, leveled, new gaskets, valves etc, or used motor. I replaced 2 pistons, both heads with mint used ones, new headers, valves, gaskets, seals, crank bearings, and some other stuff on a 2003 dodge grand caravan awd. Reused the long block as it was perfect. $400 car Did 5000 miles since and its been mechanically perfect. Doesn’t take oil, coolant, etc. only issues were sensors and other accessories like the alternator from age. The motor has been bulletproof. Don’t use magic potions and waste time. If the block is good, get used heads and do it right

[@tradeplatetravels]

I really admire your very grounded attitude in all this Ian. And I quite understand your reluctance to wade into all the agro that would come with seeking a replacement vehicle or fix! I had to return a new purchase for a full refund within days last year. Luckily it was a reputable garage but even that was stressful enough. A tempingly lovely Audi convertible was hiding catastrophic burning of oil due to piston rings... Fine at garage, oil light on before I even got home!

[@allanriches9381]

Great video, totally understand what you mean about the dealer and buying cars with your 💓 and not your head. Have done that many a time. Plenty of Camry parts in Australia, happy to help in any way I can. All in all it is a great car 🚗, we have a Toyota Avalon, bigger version of the Camry, same motor. Had no issues at all with motor 250,000 k's and going strong.

[@DavidWhitley]

I ended up with a bit a lemon too, i bought a 2004 Toyota Rav4 for £1500 a turbo diesel with just 118000 on the clock, bodywise its a very straight car but it has cost me some money to sort it out. Still not running properly, doesnt like to rev over 3000, like you Ian lesson learned, going to stick with it thought as it a nice straight example.

[@olds8881]

I respect your choices, but why buy this car in the first place when you almost know it's a lemon? You have a pretty good understanding about cars and a load of really nice cars with already some troubles. Then again, this is why I'm hooked up to your channel. 😉

[@paulcost6446]

I've used Chemy weld on my previous Ford courier work truck kept it going for 10 year's with occasional top up

[@MeMe-sy7fn]

I admire your honesty and humility about the matter, particularly with regard to the flagrant seduction of those twin rear wipers. No red blooded car enthusiast could resist. You should call one wiper Delialah and the other Bathsheba, just to warn future owners about their charms.

[@Pfirtzer]

He should pay a shrink to see where his fetish for wipers come from, never heard of than one.

[@UKAbandonedMineExplores]

Been stung by a car like that, seller said good, arrived, could see there were issues but bought anyway from the heart, and paid through the nose for that mistake, got rid a year later after about £3k of work and more needed.

[@pdtech4524]

Name and shame to protect other potential buyers! Just put a disclaimer in the description that you don't want anyone to cause the seller any hassle and you're not responsible for any repercussions that may occur! Re the leaky headgasket / cylinder head, I do know of a similar issue with an old transit van, that was acquired cheap by a friend of mine, as is often the case, it was cheap because it was losing coolant and had a crack in the head. As a temporary fix he chucked in a bottle of rad/headgasket fix type potion, not k seal, will try and find out, it was £30 for a small bottle, came highly recommended. Worth a punt, over a year down the line that transit van is still going up and down the motorway and not leaking a drop of coolant. Definitely worth a go before any expensive repairs are undertaken.

[@ollieb9875]

I agree with choosing your battles. It'll be interesting content anyway seeing what's really going on, in a future video. Farewell! ptooooooooooosh

[@MapleMarmite]

Did much the same with a Series 3 Jag some years ago - saw several warning signs of more miles than indicated and an attempt to hide a bottom half respray behind a pinstripe. But I really wanted it. Got a few months of pleasure before the horrors unfolded. Spent too much on repairs on it but stopped myself spending more and sold it on as a project to someone else. Still like them but will avoid ‘cheap’ ones and nice ones are even more unaffordable to me now than they were back then!

[@leopro9329]

I bought a mercedes w124 220ce in the summer I broke down the next day I bought it I took it on the chin spent a lot of money on it I have only ever taken on car back to the vendor as they lied about work that had been done Good luck with the car and your great channel

[@davefrench3608]

Thanks for the update Ian. I had a similar experience with a C4 Picasso. I should have rejected it after the air suspension failed but I had 4 years out of it in the end. Very honest of you to admit that you should have walked away but heart ruled head. Let’s hope you get it to a usable state.

[@michaeltutty1540]

The only time I had anything like the problems you have, I did encourage the dealer to buy the car back. I bought it new, with about 6 miles on the odometer. I finally gave up when the blasted thing had just under 30,000 miles but had accumulated 42 work orders. It is frustrating. The good news is that you can fix it and problem gone. Be well, Ian.

[@HubNut]

Yeah, if I'd shelled out a lot more, then I would seem a better solution.

[@jamesdecross1035]

You should report the issue to Trading Standards, regardless of what else you do. Keep us up to date, please.

[@HubNut]

I'm with John Peat on this one. This chap will just keep changing name/business partner/location. Reporting him won't achieve very much at all other than using up time I don't really have.

[@GuyChapman]

@@HubNut I have reported a dodgy trader to TS (in this case a cancer quack). He ended up convicted in court and is no longer trading. Yes, they are overworked, but this is beyond dodgy trader and into actual fraud, because he's changing trading names to avoid legal obligations.

[@LeakSprungGarage]

Same, I reported an amazon store selling poor quality car dollies and when I noticed they had disappeared the spoke to Citizens Advice who dropped me a email saying they had been perused. At that time you had to go through Citizens Advice who deliberated it then spoke to TS if needed. So do it, it's worth it Ian, very little hassle and if no one even tries to follow procedure of flesh trombones like these idiots then it will never stop.

[@stippolyte]

Get her repaired, offer dealer chance to go 50/50 on repair costs "or else" - TS, small claims->ccj, name as last resort.

[@rcajavus8141]

@@HubNut thats why civilizations go down, because people give up values - as are you right now

[@madhardcorenick]

Thank you for speaking about this issue and making a dedicated video concerning your Camry. While I would have approached the manner different, I still respect and support your decision and am still interested in this project you have for this Camry.

[@kennethbailey54]

Those XV10 Camrys are absolutely marvellous cars. Well built, reliable, roomy, economical, but nobody is saying a 25-year-old car will never go wrong. That would be unreasonable and unrealistic. I think it would be fair to say is that on average an XV10 will go wrong less often than many other cars of the same age. I’m sure if you can get a good repair done on the engine then it will settle down and turn out to be a really lovely car to own. I have had three Camrys in the past and I have always loved owning them and they have proved very reliable in each case.

[@paulb4uk]

One thing though if you want something that is getting hard to find sometimes you have to take what is available and deal with any problems as you find them like you said rest of car is really good .

[@alextoft9199]

I think an enthusiast thing to get carried away. I nearly bought a red mid-spec Rover 75. I went to a place in Burnley that looked more like a scrap yard than a dealer! He got out the inevitable jump pack and I took for a drive. Had no power whatsoever and he kept saying 'it's diesel you have to rev it' I thought it was charming and all the nostalgia came back. Thankfully I stopped myself. Found out later it had been clocked as well. Probably would have generated huge bills before long!

[@Levenstone132]

Sounds like my car buying history Ian. Swings and roundabouts.Don't beat yourself up over it. Still a lovely car and we're all about not throwing good old stuff away.

[@FuzzWoof]

I had a similar situation when I bought my Mercedes from a dealer - lots of things hidden or bodged which should have been disclosed (not to mention the 'full' service history which was promised to be forwarded to me and has never turned up) which I didn't have the chance to inspect properly as we were in that semi-lockdown phase at the time and it was 100 miles away. It's just not worth my time, emotional hassle or money to pursue it, and I got a decent enough deal on it that I can still fix it up and sell it on when the time comes without much of a loss. I didn't even get dual rear wipers to soothe the pain!

[@garrylawless3550]

I totally understand Ian, I've been were you are now with a car, and you're right, it isn't worth the hassle, it's another one of those lessons in life, that we hope don't happen again. I hope the costs keep reasonable for the jobs that need doing on the Camry.🤞🏻🙏🏻👍🏻

[@themancalledx]

Lets not forget the multipla Ian!

[@Rjhs001]

Bad luck Ian but admire your honesty. I still think it's a lovely looking motor and worth the hassle and potentially the cost.

[@jasondear8440]

Ian buddy, Always remember what comes around ! etc..Foget the past focus on the future your conclusion is what many would do, brave to carry on repairs to Toyota though! you have plenty to focus on ....am sooooo patiantly waiting on some love to Foxanne, make Miss Hubnut happy and purchase a rare Ford perhaps! all the best from Dorset.

[@frazzleface753]

I'm just glad you still have the Camry 😊 It was misrepresented and you do have recourse, but in my opinion you're doing the right thing. It's easy for armchair critics to say they'd do this or that, but when it comes down to it, every action has a consequence, and in this case if you pursue the dealer you're opening up a whole new world of potential misery. Cut your losses, both financial and stress-wise, and see what can be done to fix her and (hopefully 🤞) fall in love with her and keep her on the fleet! Once sorted she will be an extremely useful and practical car!

[@willswheels283]

Yep, been there myself, bought more than one Lemon, and I’ve only got myself to blame at the end of it, you’d like all sellers to tell the whole truth, but they just don’t, if it’s cheap it’s cheap for a reason, and people often forget that and just hope for the best. Hope you get the issue sorted Ian, I’ve used Radweld for a minor coolant leak on my Rover and it fixed the leak without any further issues.

[@cornishrider]

You put your points across really well, it's overall a nice car and it will make great content so let's crack on!

[@cbj063]

I'm a bit of a fan of the Camry and particularly, this very model. It looks on the screen to be in great shape except for the engine issues. If it's just a change of heads and gaskets then once done, this car will be an absolute gem.

[@leeallen7585]

Fair point...To be fair i have just done the same ..bought a 52 plate Rover 25 knowing it needed work , the seller put a dodgy mot on it even advisory free witch i knew the car wouldn't be..Drove it home Brakes juddered exhaust was blowing...paid £495 for it scrapped it last week got £250

[@pagegreer5081]

Yes don't by cars at night or towards end of the day.. you canr see and sometimes you hoodwink yourself. But I do so look forward to Hubnut with coffee in the morning. But the adventure is sorting out.

[@MattBrownbill]

I must have bought my Jeep from the same dealer, blown head gasket, K-seal, chunks of metal in the autobox sump, missing wheel nut, missing caliper bolt, worn steering box, probably fake 12 month MOT. It is now all fixed, and I am hoping to be at the Motorist in it, in April. Just call it a project, and all is good! Rare cars need preservation, when there are so few left.

[@alansmith1770]

Don't beat yourself up Ian. I'm sure you will get it sorted.

[@Lot76CARS]

Sometimes you’re too far along to turn back, and at least it not suffering terminal rot which would be a worse killer. Yes, if you can track the trader down, but if you really want a Camry estate then you might have a long wait to find another.

[@howardkerr8174]

Especially one with a 6 cylinder engine. Here in the 'states, where big engines are highly prized, ANY V6 Camry of any vintage and model is difficult to come buy. The overwhelming majority of Camrys in the U.S. are 4 cylinder powered.

[@Jookboxhero]

Dealers who trade in small villages with proper premises tend to be trustworthy. I only buy cars from one trader. A dodgy seller shape shifts from street corner to classifieds. I got stung years ago from a franchise dealer (so called trade sale) ie no warranty. The vehicle literally fell apart on the way home. My response was to accept the lesson learned and advise the unknowing to completely avoid the shark.

[@alansimpson835]

It's very easy to overlook a few details when you fall in love with something and really want it. However, on the positive side, it's rare, it has amazing rear wipers, a mainly solid body and you'd struggle to find another. Plus you have contacts who can help fix it. You might even make profit if you end up selling in the future

[@givenuponthisone]

Very sensible decision Ian IMO. I've been down the bumpy road of pursuing **** holes in the past, and it just sends your blood pressure up, and your health downwards. At least you've still got the car, with potential once fixed, and of course the DOUBLE rear wipers which you can marvel at every time you look at it.

[@Elvis_TheKing]

The Camry is being saved... that is a win. Who knows what its fate would have been had you not snapped it up. Don’t be hard on yourself - it’s a great car and you will get it sorted.

[@daniellee9015]

Brilliant video Ian 👍 I bought a 2014 pug 208 in 2020 found out it had been clocked and was from a reputable dealer hot it on Finance when I confronted the finance company they said the milage only had 24000 miles on the first mot and it had done In the first 3 years 224000miles it's now on 291000 and is rubbish and they wanted me to pay to have my own engine stripped to see if it was high milage I never did and I'm stook with it in negative equity and 5 owners defo buyer beware

[@themadcoachman]

To do that Milage in 3 years must of been a taxi

[@GentilsGarage]

Definitely the right and sensible approach.

[@MrGaryRoberton]

Sadly, those sellers exist in the marketplace, and few of them EVER come to a good end. A quality make, model, and it's still possible to get taken for a ride, so to speak. I've done something similar, however, and you're right, best to cut your losses, resolve what you can and keep moving froward.

[@davidcoleman6032]

Respect to you Hubnut for being so honest with your own self opinion. Most people have had one bad buying car experience in life,most importantly is for us all to learn by it.No doubt there's alot of people who would like to give some pay back to these dodgy dealers if they could get away with it.Hopefully Karma will step in at some point. 👍🤔

[@jonnycando]

Choose your battles indeed…I’ve bought some right heaps in my time but always made the best of it….I don’t have the kind of energy it takes to put up a fight. If you even need new heads you’ll still have a reasonable priced Camry!

[@stewartturner814]

It's gone to the right person to sort out this lovely(apart from the coolant prob obvs) rare car. An ordinary Joe would probably have little chance of sorting it. Thanks to having a KZbin channel lovely people like Chas get envoled and I am sure with his help you will sort it 😊

[@colinmoss7343]

That’s a very sensible approach. You don’t need the stress of it. Might just as well put your positive energy into repairing it if that’s your choice. What about contacting a specialist breaker to see if they have a head?

[@paulillingworth1242]

It’s a shame Ian, as you say not worth the hassle, hope you get the Camry fixed, I bet it’s a really nice car once in good working order.