"HUGE" Class Tuning for Season 4 - VDH Nerfs, Balance Druid Buffs, and More!

Buff Moonkin, Buff Survival Hunter, Nerf Vengeance DH. Amen.
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[@bmarcy86]

Survival being completely overlooked is comically accurate by blizzard

[@Geraduss]

My main through the entire expansion, pretty much been a meme through it all, why I quit and just play SoD.

[@luckygozer]

Finally the brewmaster nerfs we needed... wait a minute... Oh well I can't really bring myself to care about balance in S4. Fix survival hunter.

[@el3ctros]

Worlds best monk who's in full BIS already essentially with 40% vers and pulls HUGE can do 400k DPS.. Quick, nerf the tank nobody plays! Meanwhile my BDK does similar overall to my Brew as an average human.

[@aloumun]

Survival Hunter needs to be given to another lead dev or team. It’s embarrassing that it was so bad all DF. The Shadowlands S3 and S4 Mad Bombardier seasons were fun and strong, but leggo and seasonal affixes played a big role there.

[@ethanavrigean6734]

Season 3 & 4 of SL was terrible design for SV, dead brain 2 button spec. DF has been good overall design but the trees for both hunter and SV are pretty boring. Lots of % damage increase 2 point nodes. The other glaring issue is CA being bad design, Birds of Prey good, forced macro bad. Viper's Venom needs to be reverted to pre DF and moved to the class tree

[@aloumun]

@@ethanavrigean6734 totally agree it was brain dead! It showed a glaring weakness that for the spec to be strong it would have to rely on things outside of the normal purview of the class design

[@Mduffy-yo6rb]

@@ethanavrigean6734But was it fun?

[@ethanavrigean6734]

@@Mduffy-yo6rb no lmao, big number =/= fun

[@OldManDoom]

One of the best tanks in the game and definitely the best Brewmaster should absolutely be the yard stick by which the entire class of Brewmaster should be measured regarding nerfs

[@_Zir]

brew in shambles, the most underrepresented tank in 10+

[@fede97662]

Good thing they nerfed brewmaster and buffed destro, I’m ashamed sp hasn’t been buffed yet and feral+survi didn’t get a 20% dmg nerf too, maybe next week! Fucking unreal..

[@SouthernDrinkSlinger]

Brew has been known as a glass cannon for a while now. The whole point of playing brew is to pump deeps. Obviously they arent the meta tank, let them pump,,, and I play Bear lol

[@tim9570]

ok I will have my guys balance bear and war tank next we can't have them to have fun in dragonflight

[@rumorsz9761]

Nerfing brew master and not shadow is kinda wild what are they smoking😂

[@cessari4168]

FIX SURV HUNTER AND BLOOD DK

[@phosarius]

Fix Surv Hunter

[@bmarcy86]

i'd be happy if they just acknowledged it exists.

[@Trunka34]

Dead spec. Why bother

[@phosarius]

@@Trunka34 We all die someday, friend. The trick is to make the most of it while we're here, and for some that means chucking bombs and hitting things with sticks alongside their animal companions. Cheer up!

[@Dragonbluey]

It's not dead - survival hunters are probably the most diehard people to any spec. We just want to exist on damage charts without getting nerfed because we got anywhere near DKs or BM hunters in either ST or AOE... EVER.

[@AdamTreier]

I think you missed something @tettles, affliction can fix their ST vs AoE talent problem, you have to go to the right side of the tab, unselect everything and switch to demo.

[@Xe4ro]

rip to the sv hunter folks ;_;

[@Affiiance]

Brew nerf… wtf are they doing?!?!?!

[@CB38096]

The Destro buffs are a little surprising since I believe on week 2 they were 2nd overall for M+ damage

[@stefankaramihov6360]

Theyre pure st buffs

[@ternel]

Bear tanks just quietly hanging out in the corner

[@jookichewaka1985]

hair comb count for this video: 16, 1.6 per minute.

[@jurismihailvos6225]

fix survival hunter pls

[@PaulLasac]

where is the survival hunter buff?

[@Gunship888]

So glad they buffed destro, them pulling 880k dps overall just isn’t high enough. /s

[@expOsiris]

yeah thats a big wtf

[@daisakura]

Fix Survival Hunter!

[@FrostBytes-gv4lb]

Fix Survival hunter Asap!!

[@Waterloggedgaming]

Thank you for being a voice for Surv hunters ^.^

[@WorstYTChannel]

As long as aff playstyle revolves around malefic rapture locks will continue to hate it. It’s the least satisfying spell in the game to hit, your spender just feels like punching air.

[@semi6544]

Can we comment on how little love hunter has gotten in general versus the other classes? Some Dev likes BM but MM and SV are just left bad forever. The best changes are just aura buffs. Also, it appears the Devs go out of the way to gimp SV and MM instead of giving them moments to shine. SV looked like it might be strong before S2. The devs went and nerfed the tier set 4 times before S2 released. SV might actually have more nerfs than buffs over the last 5 or 6 years. How can one spec be so heavily nerfed and only had one moment of brilliance over the last 6 years?

[@leowulfjenkins]

WE JUST MIGHT BE SAVED

[@kokoro9301]

So I'm confused. I thought 2 set from season 3 and 2 set from season 4 did not give you x2 2set? That you'd only have s3 2 set working ( in the case of bdk).

[@malsmythicmanmodes7478]

Some specs Season 4 tier set is another seasons like season 2. It depends on the spec. In the case of balance I think they are running 2 set SEason 3, and 2 set Season 4 (which was originally the season 2 bonus).

[@DarklingThrush]

So... Reduction to duration of Sigil of Silence, reduction to CD-reduction on sigils, increase to recharge time... I figure we'll have roughly 1/2 the overall uptime on silence?

[@Tettles]

It’s definitely going to be harder for worse VDH players. Good players were already doing a lot of cc bridging with silence into chains into misery into nova into silence again into chains again into misery again into group cc. Worse players just ripped double silence back to back and the pack was mostly dead following that.

[@johnathantroxtel1502]

Tettles!!! Where'd the beard go?! Man, you were rockin' it! Orbital Strike is SUCH a fun and good talent! No idea why Blizzard has not paid more attention to it! It would help A LOT with sustained damage!

[@Olivruh]

they buffed destro lock? lol?

[@chiefputty]

Survival and Brewmaster alts sit on the bench this season. GG

[@Zlanarod]

Nuking brewmaster when it's already all the way down at the bottom from its lack of survivability and utility is just showing how shit blizzard is at reading the room

[@erica2980]

But the survivabilty was buffed?

[@dzinx0rrr]

@@erica2980 in high m+ environment these buffs do absolutely nothing, maybe help with one shot magic hits on high tyrranical keys. But that's not what brews currently suck at. They can't tank more than 2 packs of mobs head on

[@Rudbeckbitten]

Its funny bc i think brew is unplayable because too many abilities and stuff, sad they are not doing well, since they are hard to master.

[@Zlanarod]

@@erica2980 Buffing magic survivability when autoattacks are killing you from 13 and up is just as out of touch as the damage nerfs

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Venge DH remains WAY too strong compared to all the other tanks for an M+ scenario

[@thunder9236]

Had a vengeance DH yesterday, their damage is NUTS. Plus the control they have us top notch. I can see why they got nerfed lol but they're still strong.

[@johnlinks]

Did blizz just revert the assass nerf last season?

[@bmarcy86]

Kingsbane is still gutted

[@johnlinks]

​​@@bmarcy86right.... Damn

[@RandyIsDandy]

The 3 brewmasters left are seething

[@KuhntaSmash]

I still remembering, debating with fellow survival hunters during the Tier set votes. I am so sad, that I ended up being correct about s3 tier being grossly stronger than the winner s1. Wild to think the high key players know so little about the class they play.

[@user-cz6uj5cy1r]

Blizzard forgot that druids have 2 dd specs, feral seems abandoned at this point, balance literally in S tier for m+(feral at C) and better at raid content, and still buffed even more

[@WhiteJacob007]

Wait, they buffed Balance Druid in PvP?

[@FoliumSakura]

survival ignored once again, but as we say, we shall keep surviving on

[@NovembersDooom]

The fact that I have two tier pieces 30 ilvs higher than what I'm currently using. And can't use them in m+ is a fucking joke. And then for blizzard to buff bommies and fury's tier and just say duck you srv hunters just proves that they don't give a shit about survival.

[@benwallychow]

How to realistically and logically fix lower tier classes in PVE. I play all of these "bad" specs in the low 20's every season, I'm no pro but I represent the vast majority of players. Survival - We need overall damage/defense, improved talents, improved mastery. - Give 3% more base mastery, and have it also reduce damage taken by that much (equates to 4-5% reduced damage taken, and 50k hp/5sec geared season 4 DF with low investment) - Buff Spearhead DOT damage to be impactful, skillful, and fun for ST - from 35% of strike damage over 4sec, to perhaps 70%. Seems to do 3-5% overall currently on a heroic boss. - Change Viper's Venom to a one point node. Change "Quick Shot" talent to a choice node: Wildfire bomb grants a stack of Bloodseeker (talent) to your primary target up to 3. Only one enemy can have multiple stacks. OR Wildfire bomb causes your serpent stings to deal damage 30% faster for 3sec. AOE VS ST choices. Frost DK - We need single target, less clunkiness, utility - Death and decay cooldown reduced by 5sec and is slightly larger. - Shattering Blade changed to "When frost strike crits an enemy at 5 stacks of razorice it leaves a dot dealing 40% of the damage done over 4sec." - Activating Pillar of Frost grants killing machine. (this already happens due to macros, we'd just be gaining one extra rune in our opener and QoL) - Connect Asphyxiate to Runic Attenuation in Class Tree - Mind Freeze (interrupt) baseline giving one flex talent point Ele Sham - We need defense and single target - Add to Lightning shield: The storm embraces you granting 8% avoidance. (We can healing surge dots if needed as a "defensive") - Nature's Guardian Talent: Make it a one point node. Tree is cluttered. - Fire Elemental and Storm Elemental: Basic attack damage Increased by 100% (Typically 1-2% overall right now on a heroic raid boss) - Magma Chamber: Make it 5% stacking 12 times, instead of 3% 20 times. I know this will probably go un-read, but hey... if one influential person stumbled across it, it would make for a great discussion or at least reminder to buff our classes. lol

[@M_Wollfe]

It's really hard to watch meta classes get buffed while others are covered in bandaids lying on the floor. Ret pala buffs, mage buffs, now warlock buffs in their season where they are already dominant just adds that extra salt to the wounds. Even on ptr, which I know most classes are going to get reworked and its just a matter of time, its just hard to see even further ret and mage craziness while dk, hunter, shaman are just sitting on the bench watching from afar.

[@kowardlywow]

Its crazy cause as a survival hunter main it really is just as simple as buffing Butchery maybe 15%. Thats it. Its the only tier-aoe interaction we have. There shouldnt even be decision making about it. The tier centers around focus spenders. Its extremely weak in aoe. Therefore buff the aoe spender? Idk how there is even hesitation or second thought about it. It doesnt affect raid or pvp in any way.

[@michaelbruins]

Fix Survival Hunter

[@Dragonbluey]

Fix SV hunter blizz - we had gotten SO MANY small buffs and sets baked into our kit and are STILL at the near bottom in raid. Fire the 1 hunter intern and hire a monkey and they will still do better than what is currently in place.

[@johnMa7869]

The only thing brew brings to the table is tank dmg and a physical dmg buff, which nobody cares about aside from warriors and hunters. Sad to see them targeting that.

[@normannseils3936]

And outlaw rogues, but yes.

[@oknelum]

lmao holy paladin getting crapped on once more

[@raykohg8602]

Kind of funny there was no mage or destro nurfs cause of the aoe damage but they were quick to nurf havoc like 5 times when they were way above everyone else in aoe

[@axel_669]

fix survival hunter! also gotta love the logic that one person doing wacky damage things means the whole spec needs to be nerfed someone should sneak into blizzard and change the dart board they use to decide nerfs/buffs, theres no way they put thought into them lol

[@NightFaeFox]

Fix survival hunter by returning it to a ranged spec

[@zanevonderwell]

Fix survival hunter

[@ionutalexe3732]

even with all the vdh nerfs the leisure it brings to a pug is huge, i cant play my bdk and have fun since people die to missed stuns that otherwise would be fixed by silence into chains into fear into nova (

[@Taldemarr]

Fix surv hunter

[@michaelbarnwell3017]

Tattles trying to bring the Blizzard nerf bat back to Destro...

[@araceliraya6522]

Surv just got a 10% damage nerf to mongoose bite

[@merenwen_gaming]

two videos in an hour? Tettles is pumping today :P

[@MrRafting]

fix survival hunter!

[@jshauns]

Prot warrior Buff's didn't go far enough.

[@kylebb96]

fix survival hunter

[@johnd2946]

Survival hunter should be converted into a support spec going forward. Blizzard has no intention of having it be a viable melee dps spec.

[@dbldekr]

survival hunter should just become a tank spec. Thats the only fix.

[@markpeel1993]

Take a shot every time he runs his hand through his hair

[@morgenmuffel5747]

The Aff lock buffs are laughable in size - so much so that tge total number of Aff locks in the setting will remain hardcapped at 10

[@saul723]

Wheres my mm hunter buffs

[@Rudbeckbitten]

They only want hunters to play BM

[@Maddawg1984]

Drestro is only good in AOE if you have large target count and you have a group that plays around you. If not their AOE is meh at best

[@hvirdberg8532]

Man shut up

[@daisakura]

@tettles Please ask Max or someone who interviews blizz to ask about the Survival issues. I do not understand why they have destroyed my favorite classic spec. It was soo good and fun then this.

[@chrispietsch9732]

As a Hpal main, the only answer you will get is "we've brought them in line with the other classes", which means to the bottom line, not the top.

[@ironsideeve2955]

Should have never been changed to melee

[@MaethorDerien]

The thing is that survival needs an actual rework to fix a tuning pass like this isn't going to help the spec and it would be stupid of them to do a rework on a class for the last patch of an expansion. Kinda like the issue hpal, prot warrior, brewmaster all suffer from. Those classes all have issues that go much deeper than number tuning, they all need changes to the toolkit to really fix the issues with them. Like prot warrior and brew both suffer from a serious utility and CD issue.

[@anoradordFtw]

It disgusts me when I see survival rise from the muck

[@technicolorsoultheory3924]

Nah we knew there would be class tuning because there was a lack of it with the patch launch.

[@kuhlorymd369]

I wish they’d throw out more buffs for underperforming specs, kind of sad to see everything the same and small tuning. Probably skipping the season

[@eXpr3s]

watching some 800.000+ m+ logged destruction warlocks wich means they probbaly sat around 1.000.000++ overal, and then buffing them... hmmm blizzard as always with the logic

[@vegetibilis2422]

veng got 2705 in 10.2 in 3v3 . i have a 55% winrate in shuffles with veng untill the nerf . just buff the other tanks instead of nerf veng

[@Jaredius]

Church Lady

[@andrebittner3166]

Thanks to blizzard making me having no more fun in World of Warcraft with the nerf on my Brew... Like: Lets fuck the most unliked tankspec a bit more, so the last 10 brew players wants to shit on the game or going to play the op stupid vdh spec wuuuuhuuuuuuuu

[@TheGrayDawn]

Nerf Ret

[@Jaaaaassssooon]

Any tank who enjoys the RNG parry style of DH, needs their head checked out.

[@normannseils3936]

Buff Blood 4 set, nerf VDH survival and actual dmg, buff brewmaster survival, make disrupting shouldn’t a silence not only interrupt, nerf shadow priest

[@Flovust]

i dont get where ppl getting this nerf spriest from? like they only become good when packs live longer than 30s. In lower keys which most ppl are on can beat a spriest in burst aoe. A destro lock can peak at 7m and they got buffed, but spriests is the problem?

[@normannseils3936]

@@Flovust they buffed Destro ST. And if packs die quick in low keys why does balance matter? So you look better on meters? Where dmg mattes Spriest is completely busted.

[@DoublebrutalCS2]

FIx survival hunter AND blood DK tier sets...

[@allera1820]

I hoped they nerf the Meta: Prist, Evoker, Mage and the Dudu heal dmg but yeah here wer are..

[@kind2rethink]

Well theres just a few brewmasters that actually can do this amount of dmg... best nerf ever thank blizz😂😂😂

[@shadowduelist2126]

#PraygeSV

[@CrippsyS]

lol, soul cleave is barely used in AoE anyway so nerfing soul cleave isn’t going to change AoE threat a lot. Spirit bomb is the go to and uncapped

[@adamrutherford4083]

Nerfing brew again has finally helped me into quitting the game. They clearly don't care about people's views on a lot of these classes.

[@AsherrTheRed]

poor surv hunter

[@ajsamis]

Fix survival hunter!

[@luxyslovy]

#fixsurvhunter blizzard

[@jasonletmathe3103]

Buff feral...

[@XdjpopcornX]

Fix survival hunter Fix blood dk And why on earth do they nerf brewmasters bruv

[@jhonytebaldi]

#FIXSURVIVALHUNTER

[@Essjaybee2934]

at this point im convinced blizz just trolls their playerbase. they prolly rolling around on a huge pile of money right now reading these comments out loud. 'take a shot every time someone says fix survival hunter'

[@karolpetko195]

Fix SV hunter!

[@Corpo2077]

Ill take any changes when it comes to surv, like anything; but lets be honest, whatever they do is going to be a temporary "fix". This class needs Jesus, and the entire panthen of Gods to at least be relevant. I almost forgot to mention, get a proper team to work on the spec, and gives us better looking sets, cause hunters always get the intern that brings coffee to work on these :D.

[@lesionsl2718]

glad they nerfed the 6 people playing brew tho..fix survival hunter

[@kungjocke9446]

As an affly main, last season n this season. I can say this about the buffs. The Doom Blossom one is a fucking joke. No one uses this talent. Ever.

[@morgenmuffel5747]

The scale of the buffs are a joke but you are incorrect about Doom Blossom. One of the top 3 M+ Aff locks advocates the use of the talent during Fortified weeks for some dungeons. They should have buffed Seed instead though

[@kungjocke9446]

@@morgenmuffel5747 Yeah? Interesting. Because I'm one of the top. You can find me under "Héxdóctór" on affly ladder :) I can assure you, no one even uses Doom Blossom in high keys, even on fortified. But yes, Seed should have been buffed by at least 10%, and a solid UA buff by about 15% minimum.

[@Lofibanshee]

Fix survival hunter.

[@Leftside08]

Fix SV hunter.

[@OBmXTiny59]

Fix survival bye!

[@ethanmcclelland8672]

Leave surv the way it is and buff mage

[@semikolondev]

That Monk nerf...just why. Stop nerfing because 1% do something

[@grandaddy0807]

Yikes, that's gonna be an unsub from me dawg. Not sure why the least played tank by a mile got rolled over. This is coming right after another one of our specs got a global 13% output nerf. Average of 500 rio rating lower than VH at the top