HUGE RAM KICKS SHEARER!!

[@jodiely7983]

Oh my goodness! I hope James did not get hurt too badly. I think those rams weigh more than you men. James, What a sport for letting us see that ram pull him down. He is a legend!!!

[@TheSheepGame]

He’s a legend. Bounced back up and shore on like it was nothing😁

[@greenecrayon]

Not gonna lie, that was my concern too. The way he landed looked painful

[@airbornewarden4445]

Massive animals but here’s a tip; our merinos are tipping the scales around 100kg plus a 4-500mm horn spread. The boys can be very feisty but try locking them up for 24-48 hours, they lose a little condition and their stomachs empty making them easier to hold in position. Our Industry Code of Practice requires it and if we ran sheep in straight from the paddock the shearers would walk. I find it amusing to see shearing in the big blue shed but appreciate the different scale of operations. Love the video.

[@gregedmand9939]

It's obvious Shearers on this job aren't unionized! The H&S reps would be screaming. There must be safer ways to manage these huge rams for both them and the man's sake. It was cringe worthy seeing those hooves on Cammy's ram kicking so close to James' head. James missed being dumped off the trailer onto his neck by inches. It's entertaining to watch, but nearly criminal for recklessness.

[@peggycrain532]

Going back through earlier videos I’d not seen. You have truly found your calling, not only as a sheep farmer/shearer/scanner but also as a KZbinr! We LOVE your sense of humor! And I know how you feel about loving what you do! I was an elementary music teacher for 34+ years! I loved what I did and they PAID ME to do it! 😁💜🎶 Carry on, Sheep Gamer! Looking forward to many more vlogs from you, Lizzie, Jock and those around you!!

[@rv-eb3wu]

You reminded me of a big suffolk ram I was doing years ago. He decided to straighten out and lifted me right off the floor. Not much you can do to control them then. Thanks for letting me see others struggling with them too.

[@dazzaoutandabout4870]

As a retired Shearer I feel the pain mate. Your right, usually the rams generally behave themself but the odd one likes the ' get away game'. You did well Boyz. Cheers 🇦🇺

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Dazza! Appreciate that!

[@petert3355]

We had about 30+ "meat" sheep for the table when I was a kid on the farm growing up. The ABSOLUTE last one to be shawn each year was the Ram. He NEVER behaved himself, cranky bugger.

[@jerilynrobertson646]

Way to go Anna! Jumped right in when Cammy was having a bit of trouble.

[@lorlorslinger9617]

I used to own/work with horses & ponies, when they decide they've had enough, there's no holding them. Rams that size are the same. James did well to stay on his feet for as long as he did.

[@Maggie.The.Unicorn]

You're right about that. I was once leading in a draft cross mare who decided she wanted to take off and go see some other horses (she was herd bound). I somehow held on and was more or less running/dragged across the farm. Eventually I realized it was getting me nowhere so I bailed. Even if you hold on there's no stopping them when they want to go!

[@cryingbroken8824]

@@Maggie.The.Unicorn If you' quick, and LUCKY,GET A WRAO AROUND A TREE OR TELEPHONEVPOLE, EATCH THAT DUCKER STOP IN SURPRISE! OR DROP WHEN HER NECK SNAPS. BUT EITHER WAY, SHE STOPS.

[@cornelkittell9926]

I can feel your pain and see how slowly and carefully you are moving. Big rams are always such a joy. I could never do that many at my age, but I can still do a few. Great job guys!

[@mjallenuk]

That was properly entertaining to watch... a lot of respect for James. He took that landing like a champion and I bet just carried on with it. I can feel the bruises he got from that lump of a ram!

[@jhmiller35]

Glad he didn't get hurt. You all are awesome for doing such a tough job.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Janine. It’s great to share the realities with people 😁

[@Kathleensailorgirl]

Poor James, hopefully he is ok. It can be a dangerous dealing with such huge rams. Thanks for sharing another great video 👏👏❤️

[@dustycows]

When James fell, he got lucky his arm just missed the comb. That would have been one heck of a poke. As I have got older, I find myself haltering the big ones up to a fence and shear them standing. Enjoyed!

[@kmpage333]

Good to know I'm not the only one who shears Rams tied to the fence!

[@davidheal3012]

That's exactly what I do but until now I thought I was the only one! Very reassuring. The rams actually appear to enjoy the experience.

[@middlekingdomfarmrebeccapa5035]

I do the same.

[@dustycows]

@@middlekingdomfarmrebeccapa5035 the rams rams don’t bend very well as it is

[@sharondonelow5364]

I'm not a sheerer, nor do I own sheep (my brother had a few, does that count? lol) , but hitching those big boys to the fence sounds like a win win situation. Half my ancestry is from Scotland, but unfortunately I did not inherit the strong Scotish back! I'm glad you guys have them!

[@alexwholey3391]

The size of those rams! Wow! Lucky James didn't get a kick to the head. Glad he's ok. Great video. Looking forward to the live stream tomorrow.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Alex!

[@chrisoconnor5880]

I was a great little ram shearer, The only problem was finding little rams

[@TheSheepGame]

😂😂 brilliant

[@gabriellesomerville3912]

😂

[@firstlight7419]

🤣

[@100nanay]

LOL

[@butcherwoman3753]

😂🤣 almost peed my pants when I read that one!

[@tracycaple6313]

I hope James is okay and not hurt to badly , I love watching how the sheep dogs work the sheep and get them where they need to be it's just incredible watching how you shear the sheep 🐑 I'm looking forward to watching your live tomorrow with Lizzy

[@SB8-8]

Amazing job as always!! Hopefully James is not feelin any ill affects from that adventure!! Thank you for sharing ALL the good and bad of the game!!

[@bobzboo]

I’m impressed even more than I was before with the way you fellas handled these rams. They are huge and you guys are gentle and careful with them.

[@catherinesandoval9752]

Poor James - as we say, "That's gonna leave a mark!" Hope he wasn't hurt more than something a little ice & menthol rub can fix. I know what you mean about rude comments at times like this. I watch Sandi Brock & Sheepishly Me. She gets comments that hurt just like you do. Keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure there are lots of people like me who enjoy watching the special way you care for your sheep! God bless & keep you all safe. Catherine 🙋🏽‍♀️💖🐏

[@roadrunnercrazy]

Wow, quite the wrestling match at the end there! Beautiful drone footage again. I hope you get some time to enjoy the stunning scenery.

[@allysonhean4204]

23 degrees! Was that all! Try 41 outside, near 50 in the shed! Aussie summer, gotta love it eh!

[@TheSheepGame]

Aye, we're just not used to too much heat here in Scotland, you do get some pretty warm weather over there!

[@Thelasthillshepherd]

Great video again Cammy, thems the biggest rams I've seen, hats of to you boys tackling them 👍

[@lindahawkesworth4300]

Those were some huge rams! Surprised only one of you got knocked down! Anyway, always love your videos! Stay well! 💞

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Linda! I Very nearly lost it a couple times!

[@colleendewis7399]

That ram could have won a Judo Medal in Tokyo for that leg sweep!!

[@deedawson6074]

@@TheSheepGame I have heard of rams being given meds to dumb them down a little before shearing.

[@Paige0557]

OMG those rams were massive. I hope James' tailbone is ok and that he doesnt have too many hoof/trotter gouges

[@lizhrubik3936]

Beautiful countryside! Didn’t realize your shearing job could be so hazardous. Be safe! 💐

[@999Giustina]

Wow! I love your channel Cammy! I'm not a farmer but love making things out of wool. I was thinking about all the hats, blankets, and suits I could make from so much wool... processed of course. Those breeds being shorn today are more for the table, but still there's nothing like a nice warm knit hat in the winter!

[@magsprettejohn2160]

Wow those rams were massive. No shame in letting go of one of them when they decide to leave the party!

[@elizabethkingson519]

Wow, that ram just swept out James' leg! Bad ass martial arts move there! Hope James is ok.

[@TheSheepGame]

It did well to get its back leg behind James and launch him forward, think James was more in shock🤣

[@cryingbroken8824]

Poor guy was no more than a hair's breadth from getting a hoof in the head from another ram when he landed! Who'd have thought that shearing was THAT dangerous?! Hope he's okay the next morning, when the REAL ouches tend to show up! You guys are INSANE! COME TO think of it...LIZZIE seemes to smile fondly when speaking of her days doing the same. Guess that means she needs to be moved from perfect to slightly insane too,dang! Lizzy, you just fell off the wagon! 🙃😋🥲😘🥲😂💦💦💦💦💦💦💦

[@deniseemond9263]

Your country is so beautiful. My great grand dad left to come to America. I can’t understand how he could leave such beauty.

[@nanalesa24]

Beautiful drone footage, hope James is not too sore. Those sheep were massive. Hope Lizzie is doing well.

[@caroledney3919]

Saw you on The Hoof GP! Think I’ll stick around and watch the show for a while! Texas-USA

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Carol. I hope you like some of my content =D

[@SuperKristinG]

Wow. Poor James. Glad that he is okay. I think it's amazing how fast you shear these sheep. Well done!

[@rebz8805]

Yikes! That looked like it hurt...hope James is ok! I'm new to this channel so this will be an education for me...looking forward to it. This looks like very hard work...and also rewarding.

[@anitamorales1506]

I don't know anything about sheep, and have no idea how I got here, but I love everything about these videos. Thank you for posting.

[@sarahcontento9516]

Those rams were massive. My hats off to you for being able to hang on and shave them at the same time.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Sarah

[@chrisoconnor5880]

An old fella told me when shearing rams, if he’s sitting get as much off him where he is, don’t worry about pattern, and that’s what I always did, it’s easier

[@TheSheepGame]

I try to do similar 😅

[@Eamo-21]

George Graham told me the same

[@S_Eglington]

Man who taught me said he once asked an old shearer "how do you do those big tups?" He took 2 puffs on his pipe and said "anyway you can"

[@Trad634]

@@S_Eglington we need more men like that in the world!

[@paulhenry8174]

Another great one. Let’s face it if shearing was easy everybody would be doing it. And nobody would have any stories worth telling over a pint. What’s the fun in that?

[@someonerandom6379]

Tough job cammy. Those rams are monster size, no way of hanging on once they get even slightly out of your grip. Great job

[@karencox6517]

Older we are the harder we fall. Hope James can bounce back.

[@1327pete]

I just recently watched you at Hp(Graham’s home) and I remembered to check your videos out! You are definitely a one man show and I am totally into your sheep shearing days!🤗👏I love your laugh and your great sense of humor!!!😳🥰❤️Sue from Waterown, South Dakota USA

[@maxinemann2490]

Thanks goodness James didn't get hurt on that fall. I'm surprised you don't get kicked more when the sheep leave the trailer. Stay safe and shear on!

[@melaniedull2669]

Hope James is alright! Huge rams....no worries about explaining you are not hurting them... thanks for the video!

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Melanie. Luckily he's so light he almost floated to the floor =D

[@seanmcalpine-jones2750]

Young Murray was doing a top job there guys... great skills and deserves a shout out!

[@denisepalmer7624]

Great Job, Nothing but Admiration for All the Lads and Lassies that do that hard work.

[@Papermoon310]

Ouch! I hope he wasn’t too sore the next few days! That had to smart. Those are huge rams, I thought mine was big, but not compared to those!

[@elizabethpreston5994]

Hope James wasn’t hurt! Good lord those sheep were mammoth! What you’re doing makes the sheep more comfortable in the hot weather. I’m sure even though they cannot say so, They are grateful! To quote you, “Some Lads!!” ❤️

[@99037149]

People underestimate the strength and size of some sheep. Some have necks like tree trunks and if they don't want to bend then they won't. Having said that I probably would prefer doing 30 odd tups at the end of the day rather than 300 Hogg's anytime of the day.

[@TheSheepGame]

Not sure with that one,,, i’d need to see the tups first😂

[@seanodwyer4322]

on granddads farm put 2 rams in paddock with 2,000 ewes too pregnante. days later found those 2 rams had killed each other bashing thier heads with each other fighting over 2,000 ewe s. too service.

[@theredrover3217]

New to your channel (arrived via Sandi Brock) watched quite a few. 👍The views! Loving the country side views from both the ground and drone as well as the sheep & dogs working. Ok, seeing the rest is good too. 😆 Now then interpreting the English language, as a native english speaker mind you, 😆 quite a challenge. (Thank deity of choice for captions. 😝) An enjoyable one though. 😎 Also want to say although nearest I've been to sheep is thier wool, haven't had any concerns about ther welfare. Well, have to admit - feel for the slips, skids and bangs. Not criticism, empathy from decades of such things myself. 😆 Anyway, no trouble at all recognizing what hard work shearing is. Aloha 🍍

[@timnolan5849]

The rams are partly sedated in some cases ,just to relax them. The rousy could have the pull cord in hand to disengage the hand piece when a ram decides to flex it muscles.

[@astra1653]

Holy cow, those rams are huge! I hope the shearer that got run over wasn't hurt (though like with any guy, I'm sure he landed right on his pride 😉). Seriously though, it's hard to really see how big they are until you are right next to them, and trying to shift them around. While I don't do anything sheep related, to me it looked like you were trying to take extra care with those big boys to make sure they were in the right positions so you could take care of them safely, both for you and them. RIP to your back, though 🙏.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks. His pride has recovered well, he's been getting kicked about for 30 years!

[@KM-dz3zz]

Is James OK? that looked painful. My grandpa was a shearer, I was in the shed many times with him and man, just the average size sheep looked really difficult to hold, even though they are easier to manipulate into position. I couldn't imagine how hard that was for you lot to control huge beasts like that. You definitely have balls to do that.

[@Finallyretired2022]

I laughed out loud when you said it was going to be hot today. I’m watching and it’s going to be 35-37 C here today !

[@marilynfranks8995]

Holy Moly, those rams are HUGE! I'm sure at the end of the day your arms feel like spaghetti. But you did an excellent job finishing up! Hope James is okay.

[@kc8wzm]

Greetings from one of the lesser known and perhaps the most strangest YT channels around. Looks like a lot of hard work.

[@paddy294]

Cracking video cammy. You had your hands full with those rams 🐑

[@tgooding]

What beautiful looking scenery beautiful looking place…

[@josephinetomas1151]

I love you guys watching Does sheep shaving they are so cute I'm so empress..

[@MHarenArt]

Oh how I love seeing the dogs work!!! They are so good! Are you looking at the view screen, at yourself, instead of the camera? I think you are. Oh well. I'm here because I saw you on The Hoof GP.

[@4thoughtsandponders]

Love Love Scotland. The beautifulest country and the people so kind A mystical land. What great food.

[@DominicNJ73]

Seeing the way you guys went bent over at the waist while sheering gave me sympathy back pain. haha BTW, over here from Graeme's page and subbed. Love the content.

[@browneyes-cj8eg]

ok I'm from Maine in the USA and am a subscriber of Hoof GP.. enjoyed you on his channel. I love the video of the country side and the production of the sheering. .I can understand about ever third word you say but love the accent. will keep watching and hope to understand what you are saying. 10 stones???? love it.

[@pirate_monkey]

Your video with the hoof gp was amazing. Instant subscribe for my family

[@graemejjh]

Belter.... Always a pleasure watching your videos Cammy lad. Keep up the good work :)

[@ksully6551]

Good work guys, I just think about how much better all those sheep must feel getting that wool off when the daily temps are so high. You are doing them a real service, and it's easy to see that they are very comfortable being held and sheared almost 100% of the time

[@TheSheepGame]

Aye would be some relief getting the fleece off when we have had some pretty warm weather at times this summer especially for Scotland, if we can keep them comfortable whilst shearing that really helps.

[@kerrymower1321]

I also shear big rams in the U.S. I now clear the belly, pause, tie 3 legs together leaving the left rear leg free. I've been hurt enough by rams. A string keeps us both safe.

[@tamnoneedforalastname6775]

Beautiful drone footage!

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Tam! I should really take more!

[@paulf4424]

You lads looked shattered after, could've been worse for James. He could always get a hind leg in the nuts 😂

[@CathiVW]

Love seeing the dogs work.

[@karenjohnson8945]

Watching catch up your episodes Cammy. Love the drone footage. Look at your hair too. Lol.

[@TheSheepGame]

The good old days lol

[@karenjohnson8945]

@TheSheepGame there's some really cool videos & vlogs Cammy xx

[@laurajanemurphy4278]

Love it! I never realized sheep shearing was a blood sport. Well done.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Laura, some big rams around these days!

[@yvonnealexander6075]

Its fantastic bloody hard work you do and it's a massive skill . Keep up the great work please look after your backs. From Shropshire 🐏🐑

[@kailand3056]

Cammie, you and James certainly had an interesting time wrestling with those rams - I’m glad that neither of you are the worse for wear! With the way the rams’ hooves kick upward, would it be wise for you to wear something to protect your manly bits (I believe it’s called a “cup”)?

[@tutekohe1361]

Being kicked in the face is much more likely. I once had a Ram (Tup) hook it’s hoof in my nostrils and nearly rip my nose off. When you are bent over shearing, your face is right in the danger zone.

[@Teeniebfable]

Would that be a tup cup? I’ll get my coat...........

[@kailand3056]

@@Teeniebfable why Yes, I believe that would be the proper term - your wit is much sharper than mine!

[@tammysarrazin7078]

glad he didnt get hurt but im sure the body aches tomorrow will be massive hugsssss

[@tylervanorman492]

First time watching, what a great attitude you guys have.

[@The_double_ewe]

I love BFl sheep ❤️ they have such wonderful wool. Those were some huge Rams . I don’t live around a lot of sheep so when I see big ones I’m always in awe of how massive some are.

[@TheSheepGame]

Bfl's do have some of the better wool from breeds in the UK, just you don't get too much from them.

[@sarahreid1156]

My home land live in America now but miss ayr and seeing the lambs in the spring keep up the good work lads and lassies

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Sarah. Where abouts are ye?

[@sarahreid1156]

@@TheSheepGame maryland near DC

[@Annie6460]

Gee those rams are huge! Hope James was ok after that episode. Thank you Cammy. ❤️🇦🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@JbirdL2233]

Amazing - these woolie boys are HUGE.

[@koriw1701]

Oi, hello the sheep farm! I'm Kori, just popping over from watching The Hoof GP to check out how your show is. It's really interesting and I love your mix of the cross between some classic Celtic music and porno from such as 9:43! 😝 Good luck and I'll definitely be seeing you since I've signed on to your channel as well! Cheers!

[@TheSheepGame]

😂😂😂 that was unintentional but love ur analysis of it!

[@koriw1701]

@@TheSheepGame I know it! I was just having you on! Keep up the great work and don't forget to have fun with your channel; laughter is the difference between doing your best and doing a job. Cheers!

[@dianegreen4803]

Those weren't tups, they've were fleece covered mini Coopers

[@starboy832]

I did hear it's now supposed to be required by law in Aus or NZ to sedate rams before shearing, wonder if that rule will come to UK eventually

[@TheSheepGame]

That could be true. It won’t come here because there is no shearers union here like over there😭

[@starboy832]

@@TheSheepGame Ah true, those shearers know their rights!

[@scottcrosbie980]

It's not a legal requirement in nz. I have 50 plus south Dorset rams and choose to lightly sedate them but don't have too. At 135 kg plus I want to try and make it a bit safer

[@jettsquirel9636]

My great grandfather was born in Ayrshire, and emigrated to the USA. John Graham

[@ruthannjones5873]

73°f is be a pleasant temp where I live. 😆 Atlanta, GA, US

[@melaniehellum1281]

You guys are fantastic. I raise blue faced Leicester sheep and yes big .

[@patpierce4854]

A question from Across the Pond - you mentioned you were shearing great big Blueface Leicester tups…..and there were some of them, waiting their turns, in the race chute behind the shearing station. Roman noses, blue grey faces with no wool - Blueface Leicester. But the tups that were actually being shorn when one decided to escape, had black legs, feet, and heads, and wool on their faces; *not* a Blueface Leicester tup. I’d guess Suffolk because of their black legs and faces, but Suffolk’s don’t have wool on their faces. Lots of Sheep Fans watch videos to learn more about the different breeds of sheep, how various sheep farms operate, and of course enjoy both the shearing process and the beautiful countryside (and we have fun listening to voices that sound so different than our own back home🙂). We’d appreciate knowing what breeds are being handled, even when they are commercial mixes - just because it’s interesting!

[@TheSheepGame]

Very good point Pat!! These are Hampshires. A native English breed!

[@gwyna3432]

@@TheSheepGame and weigh 275 - 325 lbs or 125 - 150kg. I had a Hampshire ram a number of years ago, he was so muscular he could barely bend his neck sideways. It was his best weapon. Although he was halter trained, every now and then, when being moved, he would come along side and suddenly swing his head and front end into my knee. He lived under threat of slaughter for years !!

[@tutekohe1361]

When I was shearing in Derbyshire many years ago, I found Hampshire Rams to be the worst to shear. They were universally bad-tempered and very strong.

[@leighkoza256]

Shearer’s are great. They know their capacity and they love what they do and loving sheep is part of that.

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Leigh. I do love it. It’ would be really tough if i didn’t 😂

[@ann-or6ev]

I LOVE watching the dogs work

[@andacochran8703]

I love seeing the dogs work! Whoa what massive sheep!

[@Hillfarmlamb]

Big rams are hard work Lucky missed the comb i have nice mark on arm from similar 👍👍👍👍

[@deedawson6074]

Well that was entertaining. Glad to hear James is alright. I wasn’t quite sure whether you were saying they weren’t sedated, or they were, which ever, great job on those monsters.

[@TheSheepGame]

These ones weren't sedated in anyway, but I'm aware they do with quite a lot of the rams in Australia.

[@tysoncarney3654]

Hi there love the channel. Quick question if we can shear 300 In Aussie xbs how many could we shear over there. Keep up the good work

[@rebeccadees2300]

Enjoy your videos and your accent... can't understand most of what you're saying but you have a great personality..😊

[@TheSheepGame]

Thanks Rebecca, will try and speak as clearly as I can, glad you still enjoy the vlogs 👍

[@rebeccadees2300]

@@TheSheepGame lol... please don't...I love the accent and really like your videos. If you heard me talking in my Southeast Texas accent I'm sure you would have a hard time understanding me...😉

[@rebeccadees2300]

@@TheSheepGame > I would be mortified if I hurt your feelings. When I watch certain shows on Netflix or prime video and they're made in England, Scotland and Ireland I have to turn English subtitles on...😄☺️

[@thisoldnurse1521]

Your buddy went down the steps and landed just like me today. I hadn't a drop to drink and my sister dropped me off at my apartment, ouch.

[@debfromcanada3860]

I can only imagine the bruises on you boys. Poor James. Hope he is not too sore. Good job boys...long day

[@4thoughtsandponders]

Great video. Shows how hard work this is. Must need a strong back, bending so much. Besides the sheep are probably glad to get that wool off.

[@jewelmathews1444]

To my american ears you sound a lot like ewan bremmer! I can't always understand ya but I absolutely love listening to your voice & accent!!

[@ritamgilsenan629]

Poor James, his poor hip. I'm sure he was sore after that.

[@overit6969]

Hope his leg is ok where the sheep took him down from. That could have really hurt his leg and knee. Besides landing on his hip. Ouch

[@janloughran1503]

Were you on This Farming Life on BBC Scotland with your pal from Orkney?

[@TheSheepGame]

Yeah i was on a wee bit Jan 😆

[@janloughran1503]

@@TheSheepGame yeah, thought so! Your channel was mentioned by a knitter in Canada on her podcast! Anna aka "The Bluebird Box" just got a few sheep and said she was watching your episodes, when she mentioned your name and sheep shearing I'm thinking "Is that Sean Cursitor's pal Cammy?" Small world!!

[@KellysAdventures305]

OMG! SHIRTLESS! CAMMY BE STILL MY HEART

[@DaveLife1]

The Hoof GP told me to subscribe so I did. So there ya go mate. Shear on.

[@danamama6766]

Oh my gosh never really thought of the big boys. We have goats that weigh only 60 pounds not even close and if we want to hold them for any reason good blinking luck. Appreciate that you guys do care that its just their nature to get out of that not natural pose. I really think they also like the clipping after effect guess just animal instinct to not want to be pinned and can see the odd one panicking a bit to much. So that is admirable you give those massive fellows their trims. Glad James is ok. He is very fit which helps and no kidding with all that heavy ewe weight to hold all day long as well. hugs

[@skulblaka17hajarta]

Well done! Do you ever shear for handspinners or purely commercial farms?