Human rights lawyer discusses 'disgusting' death row execution methods | MINUTES WITH

In this episode of Minutes With, we sit down with human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith, who has represented over 400 people on death row in the United States. Clive shares his unique insights into the realities of defending detainees at Guantánamo Bay, explores the possibility of the U.S. abolishing the death penalty, and exposes the “barbaric” execution methods still in use.
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[@oliverplant]

No mention that this guy murdered and attempted to murder another. While his victims were begging for their lives and he taunted them.

[@hals6118]

Because that’s not relevant to the matter at hand. The electric chair is cruel and unusual no matter who it’s being used on.

[@apolloforabetterfuture4814]

Revenge and punishment are not justice

[@jonyq]

@@apolloforabetterfuture4814 nah. Western society has gone too soft. Spare the rod spoil the child.

[@SirSloo]

​@jonyq Hahaha... Scotland is in the west no? We have laws against corpral punishment and we aren't soft!

[@nothanks1239]

Yeah, I'd argue that this was a lot more disgusting. And nobody forced him to do that and he knew it was wrong. No empathy.

[@cptnboo6573]

Three things: 1) I agree that the death penalty is morally wrong. 2) The “victim” he talks about in this video is a cold-blooded and cruel killer. He didn’t let his victims smoke a last cigarette before shooting them in the head. 3) The guy talking is freaky and off-putting. It’s crazy how he talks about this as if an innocent person was electrocuted.

[@lavender3084]

totally agree, why is he talking about this guy like he was an old buddy?

[@miclau-p4n]

This video is W e e e i i r r d !!

[@matthewsands3591]

Why do you think the death penalty is morally wrong.

[@kenvaughan6694]

It's KARMA What comes around, goes around It's as simple as that!

[@kenvaughan6694]

Rawhide Club Of Bone Marrow

[@OliverWhipp]

Ingram entered the Cobb County home of J.C. and Mary Sawyer, demanding that they let him use their phone and later demanding money and the keys to the couple's car, threatening to shoot them if they did not cooperate with him. Mary Sawyer gave Ingram $60, while J.C. Sawyer surrendered the keys to his pickup truck. Ingram then led the couple outside and into the woods surrounding their home. He tied their hands behind them and bound them to a tree using rope and wire. The Sawyers begged Ingram not to kill them while Ingram taunted and threatened them; he ultimately gagged them with his shirt after tearing it in two and stuffing each half into each victim's mouth. He then shot them both in the head at point-blank range. The shots were fatal to J.C. Sawyer, but Mrs. Sawyer survived. She played dead until she heard Ingram drive off with J.C. Sawyer's truck. After confirming that her husband was dead, Mary Sawyer untied herself and went to a neighbor's house to call the police.

[@davidbeeson9408]

Yeah, Death Sentence is the only sentence. Wish we still had it here in the U.K. tbh.

[@r4nd0ndm]

@@OliverWhipp right lets be honest it wouldnt fix overcrowding

[@Wyz369]

​@@davidbeeson9408too easy an out

[@davidbeeson9408]

@@Wyz369 I don’t know what you mean.

[@sherryab3964]

Flip the switch !

[@neerajnongmaithem392]

Calling a murderer who brutally shot a couple who were begging for their lives a nice guy, a friend, a poor guy. Almost made the killer sound like the actual victim.

[@ChristineG-f3d]

@neerajnongmaithem392 ACTING LIKE the Governor and the COs who were involved in any execution better IS A JOKE! THEY HAVE COMMITTED A CLASS A FELONY MURDER UNDER THE LAWS OF EVERY STATE SWEETPEA! THAT MEANS PREMEDITATED MURDER! There was a place set up for it to happen. There was a method set up for it to happen. There was a time set up for it to happen. That IS a PREMEDITATED MURDER. Ohhh and by the way~the COs who are working on Death Row make MORE MONEY than the otter COs in the rest of the prison. It IS considered to be a cushy job to get assigned. A lot of them ACTUALLY COMPETE for the chance. Sooo...that tells you how suck they are with their mentality ok? Haven't you ever wondered WHY when they did executions BY a firing squad...they NEVER tell the CO WHICH gun has the live round? That is because they don't want them to gave any guilt about KILLING SONEINE IN CIKD BLOOD. Yeah no shit. Sooo...if you don't think tat this is just state sanctioned PREMEDITATED MURDER? THEN LET'S START TELLING THESE COS WHO THEIR SHOOTER REALLY IS FROM NOW ON! Let them be proud of THEIR jobs AND OF THEMSELVES as they claim to be~~~WHILE these big bad ass boys are just safely brjng protected hiding from the real truth of exactly what it is that they are doing NOW ok?

[@Adam-kr1bb]

That's what all anti-death penalty people think of perpetrators. They seem to victimise the criminal more than the real victim.

[@PsilentMusicUK]

​@@Adam-kr1bb Or maybe we just realise that if the justice system gets it wrong, which is invariably does, you're executing an innocent person in a brutal way.

[@susa5846]

​@@Adam-kr1bb sorry but you're wrong. I'm against death penalty for three reasons: 1. You can happen to have the wrong person. And if you made a mistake death can't be reversed. 2. If somebody e. g. murdered another person in a cruel, long way, why should the treatment for the murderer be only a few seconds to minutes short? That doesn't make sense for me. 3. I am no god. I don't want to decide if somebody should live or die.

[@violetmartha916]

I know! Isn't that disgusting. I wonder how much of a friend and "good guy" his lawyer would find him if it was his family that had been brutally shot in the head execution style. When the warden, Albert Thomas, asked Ingram if he had any last words, Ingram spat at him. Yep.....nice guy! By the grace of God, Mary survived her bullet, but she had to witness the execution of her husband and then play dead.

[@phatheffer3439]

Maybe he should have thought about that before going out and killing people. THAT'S disgusting.

[@ElizabethWilliamsBushey]

When you were small, did no one EVER tell you two wrongs don’t make a right?

[@gargoyles9999]

@@ElizabethWilliamsBusheywhy are you so sympathetic to murderers?

[@DG-mi7yf]

@@gargoyles9999people want to act virtuous online. If it was someone close to them that got murdered they would want heads to roll.

[@ShapeshiftedCow]

@@gargoyles9999 you ever considered that the justice system regularly gets it wrong and incarcerates and even sentences to death and follows through with executing innocent people? Or whether or not the death penalty actually deters crime or provides any real benefit to its victims? It’s not just a question of whether or not one person is guilty. It’s a question of whether or not you entrust a deeply flawed system with the power to execute people.

[@GlennDuke-yc5ky]

Crimes are generally not well thought out. They are often quite impulsive!

[@Kazza_8240]

'I've lost 6 people over the years'.....dude...stop hanging out with murderers! 😳😅

[@goose9515]

He is a death row lawyer, it says so on screen at the first seconds of the video

[@BlaecOleander]

​@@goose9515 how many criminal lawyers are going to say that about their clients when they get locked up? It's usually just a job for them unless it's personal, like it appears to be for this guy. I think that's what this poster means

[@ZootyZoFo]

@@BlaecOleanderThis guy is an anti capital punishment activist who represents death row inmates, there are many like him in fact they are a dime a dozen.

[@Kazza_8240]

@@BlaecOleander yeah that is what I meant....the fact they seem more like friends than clients

[@michelebella677]

​@@BlaecOleanderactually, a lot of them do. When you are defending a high profile criminal with serious charges you end up spending a lot of time with that person and learn a lot about their life, their childhood, etc. Many of these people grew up with absolutely horrific and traumatizing childhoods. You can't help to feel sorry for the child that went through that and wonder what they could have been had they not been subjected to trauma as a child. You can't spend that much time with somebody and not develop some sort of bond with them. It doesn't mean that you condone any of their criminal behavior but you are usually the one that sees the entire picture of that person's life and not just the crimes that they committed.

[@sheenavaughan2717]

Moral of the story - maybe this guy should choose different friends. Clients yes, friends no.

[@rummanamoledina4973]

Exactly

[@MatildaRoses]

Dude let himself get manipulated

[@lagrangiankid378]

People can change. And anyone is able to commit the most horrible crimes if put in the wrong environment. We have 12 years of nazi rule proving that everyone is able to do the worst atrocities to other humans. Jesus Christ himself befriended assassins, thiefs and criminals.

[@rummanamoledina4973]

@mdp4022 and the Republicans who are most pro life are also most pro the death penalty

[@Alesha_Lewer]

He’s obviously biased to be supporting a murderer. And friends with a murderer makes me think he shouldn’t be a lawyer

[@fredriksjoblom5161]

Ofcorse it's disgusting. Murder is disgusting, and so is dealing with a murderer. I'm not taking a stand for or against capital punishment, but dont think for a second that there are any non-disgusting options. That ship sailed with the souls of the victims. In sweden we don't have capital punishment. Just yesterday i saw a woman on the news, she had been raped. She said she could forget about the guy that did it, cause he was just a piece of garbage anyway. The people who wouldn't leave her thoughts alone were the ones that decided to let him out the previous month. He was a serial rapist deemed highly likely to re-offend. We did not want to get our hands dirty and do something disgusting to that man by throwing away the key. But instead we failed that woman, and it was so clearly disgusting. 😢

[@alanjm1234]

More than the victim, the system has failed the future victim/s. Their suffering is avoidable and inexcusable.

[@iti7201]

What?!? He served a month? A month for rape. Convicted found guilty? That doesn’t make any sense. Yes the judiciary system broken but that is unconscionable. Why didn’t the people write letters to the judge? I mean He must’ve knew the family or something. There’s a reason he got that. That’s not what a normal conviction would bring it’s almost a joke.

[@fredriksjoblom5161]

@iti7201 You need to read more carefully. He was released a month prior to re-offending, and spent a month in freedom. He had been in prison for several years for the many rapes he had already committed and he will be locked up again for several years for the rape he committed upon his release. But i am ashamed to say that he will still have time to create more victims, and that my country will allow it once again in just a few years time.

[@OdinzEinherjar]

Too soft

[@lichiehrb]

Aren't you tough 🙄​@@OdinzEinherjar

[@blackwell754]

He murdered 2 people for $60 and the keys for an old pick up truck. They begged for their lives. That’s disgusting. Edit- I can see people saying he murdered 1 person. Having looked online I can see this is true. He tortured the other person. Not sure this absolves him and means he should be set free. Also- you are entitled to your opinion, I’m entitled to mine. If you think he deserves to live at the tax payers expense until old age that’s fine. I don’t.

[@IH-wf4zb]

how is this relevant

[@blackwell754]

@ how is it not?

[@cartergomez5390]

This guy murdered them?!

[@gmc8099]

​@@IH-wf4zbthe statement is relevant because this man is speaking like these people that murdered someone shouldn't be punished and it is awful that bad things are happening to them!! What about the victims???

[@blackwell754]

@@cartergomez5390 did you you actually watch the video?

[@randomfist797]

When he called the cold blooded murderer of two people a “poor guy”, he lost me.

[@youknowme8578]

I'd bet he lit up like a cigarette.

[@jamestragle9504]

Actually the wife survived the gruesome event. I do wonder if she's found peace after this horrific event. I wonder if the execution gave her anything.

[@MillieonaVespa]

@@jamestragle9504 probably Peace knowing he would NEVER get to her

[@jamestragle9504]

@MillieonaVespa he'd never get to her from jail either. The cost of a death sentence vs life without parole is anywhere from 1.5x to 6x depending upon the state. There is no evidence that victims feel vindicated by an execution as well. They often feel re-victimized because there is no actual closure. The only benefit is due to being free of the legal system as there will not be anymore parole hearings. This particular individual may not have been capable of rehabilitation, but he may have been mentally ill and treatable. In general the death penalty is flawed as it cannot be reversed if a wrongfully convicted person is dead. Bear in mind the vast majority of homicides More expensive, no actual closure for victims, and the potential for mistakes render the process questionable.

[@jaginaiaelectrizs6341]

​@@jamestragle9504 But it's not like the guy intended for her to survive. He fully intended for her to share the same exact fate as her husband suffered. So that doesn't really count in favor of the guy's character at the time of the crime at all either way.

[@mewho8814]

Did he give his victims a last meal choice or a cigarette? They ran electricy through him for his horrible actions! What did the couple do to deserve to die with no last cigarette,no goodbye to friends or family??

[@chrisnagy377]

Are you sure? The justice system is wrong at an alarming rate

[@mykidsaresupercute]

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[@Jami-vm1zv]

​@mykidsaresupercute In a case of murder, justice is NOT a second wrong. When Ingram was 19 years old, he entered the home of J.C. and Mary Sawyer, intending to kill them and steal their vehicle. He demanded that they let him use their phone and later demanded money and the keys to the couple's car, threatening to shoot them if they did not cooperate with him. Mary Sawyer gave Ingram $60, while J.C. Sawyer surrendered the keys to his pickup truck. Ingram then led the couple outside and into the woods surrounding their home. He tied their hands behind them and bound them to a tree using rope and wire. The Sawyers begged Ingram not to kill them while Ingram taunted and threatened them; he ultimately gagged them with his shirt after tearing it in two and stuffing each half into each victim's mouth. He then shot them both in the head at point-blank range. The shots were fatal to J.C. Sawyer, but Mrs. Sawyer survived. She played dead until she heard Ingram drive off with J.C. Sawyer's truck. After confirming that her husband was dead, Mary Sawyer untied herself and went to a neighbor's house to call the police. If that were you and your husband or your mother and father, you'd want justice to be done.

[@themeekdontwantit]

@@mykidsaresupercute I don’t know about that.. “I aint done nothing wrong.” = “I did something wrong. QED. 2 negatives = a positive 🤔👍🏽

[@tracywilliams7293]

Agreed, The Lengths these people go through to give empathy for these monsters is just insane to me... They should spend more energy putting that kind of empathy Towards the victims... It's just nauseating... I watched a documentary where this guy had slaughtered his family but He and his lawyer were trying to get him off death row because of a technicality, and cruel and unusual punishment... Give me a break🙄🙄🙄😡😡😡😡

[@Nguyenduc09]

He’s lucky to have gotten anything let alone a cigarette that he asked for. The man and wife who fell victim to him gave him everything they had, they only asked him to spare their lives…

[@gyorkshire257]

Monstrous. Nearly as monstrous as the electric chair.

[@theguyinthecorner605]

I don't like that either, but there's a certain etiquette to the last meal. After all the inhumanity of the trial process trial by media and incarceration and death row, it's the last glimmer of respect to their humanity. Everyone, even the most awful of people, is a person, not a monster. Offering the last meal is how you prove the system isn't as evil as the ones it's executing.

[@Kitty-SkinImIn]

This

[@connorfleming9716]

@@theguyinthecorner605why should they be offered any gestures of humanity, when they denied the humanity of their begging victims, before violently stealing their lives? I understand the compassion of your view, but these people are not worthy of compassion, because they have none for others.

[@mtclauraamaral2201]

​@@theguyinthecorner605I'm not in favor of the death penalty. But make no mistakes... Yes, there are monsters out there.

[@DAfonsoHenriquesReidePortugal]

“He tied their hands behind them and bound them to a tree using rope and wire. The Sawyers begged Ingram not to kill them while Ingram taunted and threatened them; he ultimately gagged them with his shirt after tearing it in two and stuffing each half into each victim's mouth. He then shot them both in the head at point-blank range. The shots were fatal to J.C. Sawyer, but Mrs. Sawyer survived. She played dead until she heard Ingram drive off with J.C. Sawyer's truck. After confirming that her husband was dead, Mary Sawyer untied herself and went to a neighbor's house to call the police.” Hmm

[@Universal_Craftsman]

Horrifying 😢

[@Universal_Craftsman]

This is so sad.

[@PrivateMcPrivate]

This makes me so angry. People like this NEED to DIE. Give them as much mercy as they give their victims (none).

[@shannonabdullah7712]

My Lord

[@bleepbloop6234]

He was totally a nice guy though. Poor guy. A true friend.

[@FootballLad]

“Just disgusting” … erm yeah bro there’s a reason they done that.

[@peteconrad2077]

Really? What is the reason the “done” that?

[@georgia9500]

they’re just as bad as him

[@StevenVaughan-yu1yb]

@@peteconrad2077because he killed a couple just for £60 and a key to an old car…

[@IlariLehtonen-oo8mv]

​@georgia9500 the state executing a murderer isnt them being just as bad as the murderer. Your moral compass is completely off. Is putting a kidnapper in jail immoral? Because kidnapping is wrong so the state cant jail a kidnapper or else they are just as bad?

[@peteconrad2077]

@ how do you know?

[@fozziebear26]

Before he rode the lightening you should told him..... Actions have consequences RIP to his victims

[@neelred10]

How can he be friends with such a person. I thought they found out that he was innocent or something ... I understand one can be against death penalty but his attitude is so weird n stupid.

[@scarletohhaha6938]

​@@neelred10He wasn't, he was his lawyer.

[@neelred10]

@scarletohhaha6938 in the video he says he had been friends with him for 12 years. One can be his lawyer but need not be friend unless you like the person.

[@Bdcrock]

Apparently, it was only one victim. He intended to kill the wife, but didn’t and she escaped, but yeah, I agree.

[@andreipopescu349]

Poor guy? A serial killer? I don't think so.

[@kimberley6630]

Serial killer? He killed one person and injured another.

[@austrianpainter9911]

Thats okay then ​@@kimberley6630

[@steveneal1359]

@@kimberley6630that was your family member tho!?

[@Candlewick14]

​@@kimberley6630 ok volunteer someone you love. A child. A partner. It's just one.

[@kimberley6630]

@@steveneal1359 lol I didn't say what he did was ok. I just corrected the use of serial.

[@MsCucu]

That is the smallest violin ever played…

[@rabouala]

Hahaha right 😂 I’m shocked at him trying to make a point

[@pizou8454]

He's right its awful.

[@user-kpkxgtj]

​@@pizou8454 and yet it was far more humane than what he had done to others to end up in jail in the first place.

[@crustinagohard9049]

LMFAO right?! You know what is disgusting are the actions that lead someone to be sentenced to the electric chair.

[@Kikikiki-ev7wc]

Really don’t care what someone who would make friends with a murderer thinks is immoral

[@grnarsch5287]

Look arround maybe ur also friend to a murderer you maybe just dont know it

[@resourcedragon]

How do you explain somewhere near 50% of those who voted in the US election voting for someone who has been found in a court of law to have committed a sexual assault? Oh, and found _guilty_ of 34 felonies, not counting being found in civil trials to have committed fraud.

[@A-A_P]

​@@grnarsch5287 depends on the context of the video at hand of course, but isn't there a difference between before and after you learn of the fact? Before you know, all is ok by most standards one may have, but moralities diverge on what should you do or how should you percieve the person after you've found out.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

If i am and dont know cant fault me if im not and know im a shit person.​@@grnarsch5287

[@lagrangiankid378]

Jesus Christ befriended murderers.

[@SantaClausthereal]

My dad used to say "Show me your friends and I can tell about your character"

[@liamscanlon469]

Does that work with Jesus or just the people you don't like

[@AceOfTheWorld72]

@@liamscanlon469 Jesus is a fictional character

[@10Wk3y84R]

​@@AceOfTheWorld72quiet you'll upset the grown adults that live their life by a fairy tale

[@teacup3133]

Boy, are you in for a surprise!

[@Paulthompson9942]

​@@AceOfTheWorld72I'm not religious in the slightest but I know that Jesus was a real person, was he the son of God? Of course not but he still existed

[@Itsmylord]

He was friends with a man that tied up a young couple and shot them both in the back of the end after they begged him not to and he thinks the ounishment was disgusting, i absolutely despise men like him, he doesnt care for the killers victims though does he?

[@stanleyshannon4408]

He likes people who make war on the society he hates. The only difference is he uses the law instead of a weapon.

[@Seasofsophia]

@@Itsmylord killing the murder doesn’t help the victims or their families. I suppose it depends if you view it as punishment/revenge or if you view it as a necessity to remove anti social people from society as they are a danger and nothing to do with punishment. Very different perspectives

[@Seasofsophia]

@@Itsmylordalso the length of time in death row is psychologically cruel and disproportionate. I think capital punishment was meant to be quick. Found guilty and shot the next day. I suppose someone is making money out of the process

[@mkeen4393]

Do you know what the victims want? Or are you just using them and their memory for your own ends?

[@Itsmylord]

@mkeen4393 using them for my own ends? What in the youtube comment section? Kind of a silly thing to say don't you think? lol I didn't say "he doesn't care what they want" I said "he doesn't care about them" as in he's more worried about the wellbeing of someone that hurts children then he is about the children themselves.

[@sarahmaxima]

The ways these preachers talk about accusations is revolting. I lived through that hell. I still can not talk about it directly, I have only been able to write it down. The callous dismissal of survivours is so sickening. The way they hold victims more accountable than predators is horrible. The pure hypocisy of it all.

[@Ohkay5613]

He's pals with a murderer. Funny how he doesn't consider the murderers actions disgusting. No no. The murderer is a "poor guy".

[@markd5622]

If you've known a serious victim in life, this will disgust you like it does me

[@RodrigoFernandez-k2i]

There's a good chance but its hardly certain. Family members of murder victims have even sometimes pleaded that their family members killer not be executed. What's to be disgusted by this?

[@prismonthethehorizon5793]

Yes it does. In my lifetime I know of 5 people in my city who have been murdered. My close childhood friend who I played with everyday as a kid was stab**ed to death outside a nightclub, she was a really lovely and funny person too, the last person who would deserve to be hurt by anyone, she was lovely. A guy I knew briefly not romantically he was murdered not long after, apparently he knew too much. My brothers friend who was about to get married was walking through the field on his way back home this happened in the morning, he was b**shad on the back of the head with a metal bar. My brother was cut up about it, I didn't know him but he was about to get married, it was tragic news. My step mums close friend/ cousin was murdered by her boyfriend through strangulation, my step mum couldn't sleep for months! They had to go through the court case. So these cases personally effected myself and others I was close with. I don't think anyone who commits these acts should be given sympathy and I do find it disgusting! My friend she was the little sister of her older brother and sister, it tore the family up but it sent the older brother a bit mental! It effects not just the victims lives but their loved ones. Drug addiction does the same thing, it robs lives.

[@budisutanto5987]

The reason why people choose not to live near prison, if they can afford it, because those prison guards are used to cruelty. Who knows when they lose their 'humanity'.

[@phoenixpayne295ify]

I'm a victim so was my family of a horrific murder and I do not agree with the death penalty and I never will.

[@monkeymox2544]

​@@phoenixpayne295ifygood, a ray of civilised thought in a comment section overrun by barbarians

[@Rosarium2007]

Killing people to show people that killing people is wrong is insanity. It is just wasting money on a proven non-deterrent. Multiple studies have shown that life in prison without possibility of parole is way less expensive, plus considering how many people have been exonerated off of Death Row in so many states the likelihood that at least one innocent person has been executed is quite probable. And one innocent person is one too many.

[@schmiddinski]

I agree. Thank god there are people like you in this comment section also

[@jenny2tone]

Totally agree. Capital punishment has no place in a civilised society.

[@JoannCaporaletti-l7x]

@@Rosarium2007 if an animal is rabid. You put it down to protect others .

[@colleenmollentze8313]

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Personally I struggle to see how people can be horrified at one murder but perfectly ok with another

[@rastalique8114]

About 1% to 2% of Texas' executed were "factually" innocent, but they had fair trials & proper due process. One man had new evidence of innocence & the judge said he should have used it at his trial. Too late now😢.

[@rummanamoledina4973]

What kind of kindness does this person want for a person who has no kindness himself. Danger to humanity

[@ubergeekian]

Does Christianity not preach that redemption is always possible?

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​@@ubergeekiansure they do it just cost 10 bucks every sunday

[@sydnidowney3598]

The youngest person to be executed in the ELECTRIC CHAIR was a 14 year old BLACK CHILD who was convicted of a crime because a sheriff claimed the child confessed to him. NO OTHER WITNESSES TO THE CONFESSION, NO OTHER CORROBORATING EVIDENCE. WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEART OF MEN.

[@bobkoroua]

That was wrong, this guy is talking about a soulless d-bag though.

[@castleanthrax1833]

I'm not really sure what relevance that case of injustice has here.

[@br3669]

​@@castleanthrax1833Because this case of injustice isn't a tragic accident, it's the very predictable result of the practices discussed here.

[@castleanthrax1833]

@@br3669 What practices discussed here are you talking about? What relevance is there between a possibly innocent child being executed and the guilty person talked about in the video being executed?

[@br3669]

@@castleanthrax1833 The practice of executing people.

[@regularsherlock6237]

Two things can be true at once. The death penalty is, especially in the form of things like the electric chair, un fathomably cruel and unjust. At the same time this man’s ‘friend’ was no victim, he was a callous murderer according to the courts.

[@ijustneedmyself]

The thing people often fail to acknowledge!! I'm sure if asked this man would rightfully condemn his friend's actions.

[@bradley-xc7jl]

The issue with the death penalty is how often its wrong. Do you really have enough faith in the legal system that you truly believe it never makes mistakes?

[@MsJMHS]

This. Plus it disproportionately convicts POC. Nah, death penalty shouldn't be a thing.

[@FundyisleLegacy]

Sometimes guilt is certain, this shot a woman’s husband in front of her, than shot her in the head but ended up surviving, pretty strong witness case here

[@tonygange7636]

It's not often, in fact those who've served long sentences carry on more serious crimes when they're released, than those innocent of death row

[@Adam-w3b2x]

6%, on a bad year. You call that often? Do some research before mouthing off, dawg.

[@d734-wy8kx]

@@MsJMHSGenuine question…are you saying that POC are disproportionately given this penalty for the same crimes vs non-POC…or that there are a disproportionate number of POC who end up with this penalty? (I generally don’t use the term POC but do so here simply in response to the statement. Not making a comment on the term or those that use it…just saying it’s not a term I use, incase it’s a term that causes issue for others).

[@ebo1983]

Whats disgusting is we have to pay for that electricity.

[@TonyM540]

I think they get night rates

[@peteconrad2077]

What’s disgusting is that the U.S. pretends it’s a Christian country. Nothing of the kind.

[@StanTheman-u2z]

ALSO, CIGARETTES COST A LOT OF MONEY TOO!😂

[@lesleybrown1583]

peoples hearts are evil

[@StanTheman-u2z]

@@lesleybrown1583 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THESE COMMENTS, OR THE PSYCHO FUCKERS WHO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, AND THE EVEN MORE PSYCHO FUCKERS WHO THINK THEIR EXECUTIONS ARE SO HORRIBLE?

[@kimgough5353]

Just disgusting what he did to innocent people as well

[@peteconrad2077]

And you can’t see that you’re no better than him by supporting this.

[@IH-wf4zb]

At no point did he refute what you’re saying… idk why everyone in the comments wants to have a conversation about everything but the morality and ethics of capital punishment

[@duck6100]

No one is saying it isn’t, but why are we so chill with government mandated murder? For a country that hates socialism so much you seem super happy to hand over control of your entire lives to the government.

[@thegabrielfrost]

⁠@@IH-wf4zbSo, just to clarify, it’s justifiable to have a conversation about the “ethics and morality of capital punishment “ but it’s not justifiable to have a discussion about the morality and ethics of armed robbery, kidnapping, and then taunting your victims before they’re murdered.

[@A-A_P]

​@@peteconrad2077 action and reaction can absolutely be treated separately, if one wishes. Especially, if the death penalty is seen through the lense of removing the threat from existance. Your interpretation would also rule out self defence, if taken to its logical extremes, at which point, it is worth contemplating with yourself, what would you do under such circumstances. There isn't a right or a wrong answer, as even morality is a made up concept to begin with, rather, it would seem important that one's moral framework were always consistent.

[@Jack-1994]

Check this guys hard drive

[@BeeHash]

Check yours

[@StayBlessedx0x0x]

​@@BeeHash😂😂😂

[@RenewedRS]

Every idiot in the comments saying shit like this obviously voted Trump

[@pissonemillion266]

​@@RenewedRS 4 more years of fucking moaning, jesus christ

[@mattevans6658]

​@@RenewedRSyou mean smart people?

[@elizabethsoenen7393]

It’s JUST DISGUSYING that serial killers get to live years and years after they have brutally killed multiple people. THATS DISGUSTING.

[@JessicaO490Z]

Yeah as long as they make sure they have the person guilty without any shadow of any doubt to make sure it never happens to somebody who's actually innocent. Somebody who callously murders people we shouldn't worry too much about. The thing we should consider are the rates of false imprisonment.

[@itsreallynotacatstevens3654]

I think "living" for years in prison is designed to suck. Capital punishment doesn't solve anything, and it also doesn't stop these types of crimes (or any types of crimes) from happening. It also costs taxpayers obscenely more than a lifetime prison sentence. No victims are brought back, no future crimes are prevented...whats the point

[@maxmccullough8548]

Stop making friends with murderers , this guy is disgusting.

[@vdd1001]

Isn't what he did to his victims disgusting too? Who's advocating for them? You give up any possibility for mercy when you're merciless yourself

[@vivianvaldez2924]

Right. He called him "this poor guy" What about the victims.

[@schmiddinski]

"Who is advocating for them?" Literally he is getting death row, bruh, how much more advocating does it need? It is actually good he's speaking about this, because the question is: "who is advocating for them?" Nobody actually wants to think about the wellfare of criminals, because they are bad people. This comment section proves that. Regardless of how bad a person is, you cannot justify the same shitty things happening to a bad person, that you wouldn't be comfortable with happening to a neutral person that you know nothing about. If he doesn't advocate for those people, who does? Nobody. Instead we question his morality - which is a valid concern, since he said he's friends with the guy - but it still shows that if you care about a person, you wouldn't want them to suffer, regardless of what they did, so why do we look at these people, like they are not human anymore. They deserve human rights. Being locked away is already a punishment, why make it death? It changes nothing.

[@pachicore]

Bro the entire state advocates for the victims and their close ones. General public aswell.

[@johnthompson457]

@@schmiddinski”tHe WeLfArE oF tHe CrImInAl” you serious? They waived that right from society when they committed crimes. Abhorrent crimes at that.

[@schmiddinski]

​@@johnthompson457 welfare is maybe not the right word, I am talking about the human rights. They still have them. And if people like you get to take them away, because you think they don't deserve them, then we have reached a point where I am genuinely concerned for my own safety. The reason we have general laws for everyone is so that human emotions and vengeance don't get in the way of justice. The reason why death row was abolished in so many countries all over the world is because it is not free of error. There are people killed that did not commit the crime. The chances of that error are not worth the sacrifice. Some of the people you are talking about that don't deserve 'welfare' according to you just as innocent as you are. Would you like to be treated as some people treat a criminal. I doubt that. So maybe reconsider how you would want an innocent person in death row to be treated, because chances are there might be one. Even the one you are talking about.

[@lemonpeelangelfish]

If killing is wrong then why would you let the government do it? It’s absolutely appalling, unbelievable cruel and inhumane. Death Row is full of people that couldn’t afford the best lawyer.

[@michaelhauser6440]

It's also full of murderers

[@michaelhauser6440]

Killing is wrong as the aggressor, dummy. Not as a punishment for killing itself

[@schmiddinski]

Thank you! The world needs more people like you! Actually in most countries (as far as I know) death row was abolished, because there are a lot of people who agree with you. Yet the United States seem to not be able to let got of this outdated wordlview.

[@KrystalPerez85]

It's honestly only been in the last few years that I've come around to this point of view myself. Death row doesn't and never has deterred anyone from murder. It doesn't solve any problems. It's punishment for punishment's sake. It's unnecessary and barbaric. Life in prison without parole is justifiable and sufficient.

[@bobastu]

Nine times out of ten, police are only permitted to shoot when, in fear for their life, when the criminal has a gun, or when the criminal has committed a crime with a gun. If someone has never fired a gun, has never been in mortal fear, has never been taught the rules pertaining to the use of deadly force, has never been in the military, or has never worked in law enforcement, they have neither experience, nor the training, to have a opinion that matters.

[@John-pe9dp]

Notice how our olive branch toting storyteller has a deadpan smirk/smile on his face and chuckles in the video. There's absolutely nothing humorous about what the murderers did to their victims and what the officials did to the murderers.

[@LevantineR1]

It's not about the subject being funny. It's about observing the irony of the situation. If this story were fictional, it'd clearly be a joke.

[@michelehemlokhexwhite4310]

​@@LevantineR1exactly. People in the comments don't actually understand the story 🙄

[@ellietenenbaum3486]

@@michelehemlokhexwhite4310 people are really lacking any sort of critical thinking...it's scary.

[@devonsbiggestfan6370]

I don't think this guy would be this "disgusted" if his "friend" murdered a member of his family

[@schmiddinski]

Both can be true, if you have a moral compass. Murder is murder

[@susanalexander6721]

​@schmiddinski I consider it Justice.

[@schmiddinski]

@@susanalexander6721 so locking someone away for life isn't justice enough for you?

[@susanalexander6721]

@schmiddinski feeding them, clothing them, free medical and dental care, possibly educational opportunities? Doesn't sound like Justice to me. That middle aged gentleman left this world in terror, begging for his life, wired to a tree. A miracle his wife lived. Explain to me how locking him away is anything like Justice.

[@susanalexander6721]

@schmiddinski locking up for life to pay for food, clothing, medical and dental, possibly education? He wired a middle aged helpless couple to a tree, taunted and terrorized them while they begged for their lives. He ended one, did his best to end the other for $60 and a truck. Justice didn't come to him quickly enough.

[@rudert56]

The last thing that went through his mind was 2400 volts.

[@notpc48]

I can just see it now. An electrician gets charged with battery and he was shocked that the sentence was the electric chair. The last thing to go through his mind was 2400 volts.

[@plapypie9606]

I don't think hes arguing against the death penalty I think its mostly about the electric chair and how it falls under cruel and unusual punishment.

[@KxNOxUTA]

I understood it as the refusal of last wish being disgusting, which is sth. we can agree on. That said, it's somewhat inappropriate to speak about a cruel offender in terms of friendship? Like, yes, let's be humane and speak about how those penalties are performed, but speaking in such friendly terms is a bit much and inconsiderate of the families of the victims!

[@libbylandscape3560]

@@KxNOxUTA agree, seems this attny has lost his way. His client was there to be punished because of the brutal crimes he inflicted on two innocent people. In no way does his client become the victim in this….not even over the refusal of a last cigarette ffs.

[@grnarsch5287]

​@@KxNOxUTA the refusal of the last wish isnt the problem. Its the last wish itself. Its really disgusting. Its a weard powerplay. When u decide to kill a man if you have no mercy left. fine but at least dont do this im still so nice to these people bs. It just shows how inhumane it is and how the rules dont aply to the state

[@resourcedragon]

@@grnarsch5287: You might want to watch J. Draper's video "Would you watch a public execution?" In it she discusses the history behind execution and things like those last wishes. Actually, I'd recommend that video to everyone. It was extremely well researched.

[@anabolic_red]

There is something not quite right with this guy.

[@Yahyia-cv3sx]

Could you please be more specific?

[@anabolic_red]

@Yahyia-cv3sx do I really need to explain why he seems a bit off? Use your eyes and ears.

[@getcloveryourself]

​@@Yahyia-cv3sx well for 1 he calls cold blooded, disgusting murderers his friends

[@paigevanegdom2238]

Is this man really being a murderer apologist? It’s really not that hard to avoid the death penalty… just don’t commit heinous violent crimes like murder?! If this man’s only friends are murderers and he thinks that they’re still good people worthy of life then maybe he needs to be on some sort of list cause that’s scary…

[@Mark_Bickerton]

"I've lost 6 people of the years" ok, just what TF did they do to be given the death penalty? I'll tell you what is disgusting, defending people in court that you KNOW to be guilty of a crime worthy of the death penalty!

[@SecuR0M]

This man should be disbarred for an uncomfortable and disturbing lack of professionalism between himself and his client.

[@SteelToes]

Volts don't kill you, the AMPS required to push those volts is what kills you. Volts don't kill... Amps do.

[@sithgod999]

No

[@SteelToes]

@sithgod999 so, I've got a MORON telling a 30 yr electrician , volts kill, not amps. *IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

[@Neion8]

I mean, it's both. Amps are like the bullet, volts are like the propellant. It's the bullet that kills sure, but without sufficient propellant it can't penetrate to deal damage.

[@cfcfan72]

No matter the crime, capital punishment should be banned. If only because of the risk of innocent people being wrongfully executed. Any justice system that allows capital punishment is more focused on vengeance than making society a safer place

[@libbylandscape3560]

Then the sentence should have been commuted to life w/o parole…but it wasn’t. Personally I’m in favor of capital punishment for certain crimes, those that are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, like this one.

[@BlaecOleander]

I used to feel like you until I started watching true crime. The farther you see into the abyss of human evil, the less ghastly capital punishment will look to you in cases in which the person is known without a doubt to be guilty.

[@marybland766]

What about the victims? This lawyer looks so self satisfied with his compassion for the murderer. It must be wonderful to be so superior. That being said: his client was not killed, he had killed and society demanded compensation.

[@leaveittothediva]

Is this guy serious. This guy murdered a man, shot him point blank range in the head for his truck and $60., also shot the man's wife in the head, ( she miraculously survived), but has to live with that trauma for the rest of her life. What would this man have us do. Crimes have consequences. Europe is soft on crime, the USA is not.

[@mrow278]

Is it a badge of honour to be harder on crime when you have both higher crime rates, imprisonment rates and recidivism rates than Europe? It's easy to figure out that it isnt working.

[@silvership580]

And somehow the crime rate in the US is insane and in Europe its not. Hmmm, how come...

[@judithrees6919]

Nick did this to himself. Nick's actions killed him. No one else killed him. And if you think the electric chair is disgusting, how about asking his victims what they think 😢

[@jus10lewissr]

After reading up on the case, it became obvious that Nick Ingram got exactly what he had coming to him and it's a shame that it took so long for it to finally happen.

[@slw8740]

So now we are sympathizing murderers? Ask the victims if they have a choice for a last cigarette ffs

[@_d.i.n.i_]

Huh poor guy? What? Someone check his PC please

[@eboniivaationalblackrosebonaè]

So, we should have compassion? Giving them a last meal is literally just as laughable. Get the hell on.

[@9eyeswideopen]

I’m sorry whatever side you are on regarding the death sentence he lost his right to be treated humanely for what he did to his victims😢

[@freedomspromise8519]

My sister in law was murdered at the hands of her husband. Do I want the death penalty for him? Yes. Yes, I do.

[@lrdisco2005]

Albert's record from sitting to dropped was under ten seconds. The electric chair is disgusting and often takes minutes.

[@BlaecOleander]

......Minutes....? 😬

[@LapsedPacifist79]

Not going to get drawn into a death penalty discussion but I will say the electric chair surely has to fall under “cruel and unusual” punishment.

[@DeadButDreaming666]

No, it doesn't.

[@cemu1065]

It's a deterrent. Don't do the crime, if you don't want the time.

[@minui8758]

@@cemu1065I’d have thought it would encourage more. If you’ve taken one life and you’re going to face a capital sentence you might as well take any others you fancy before they catch you. If you take one or if you take 50 it’s still the same sentence

[@dobber43]

@@minui8758 ok but flipside ur usually in prison a long time for death and if you're a psycho the punishment didn't matter to you when you took the first but you also don't usually get the death penalty for one kill. Also regulating psychos is beyond reason its to deter the sane.

[@BlaecOleander]

​@@cemu1065 the issue with that is that the people who usually commit crimes that land them in the chair are too mentally ill (with something like ASPD/sociopathy, for example) to think far enough ahead to how they will be affected by the consequences of their actions. One girl diagnosed with ASPD once said that she lacks empathy for everyone, including her future self, to the extent that she doesn't even remember to consider how the consequences of her own actions will affect her.

[@sanbilge]

Murder is immoral even if it's the state that does it and even if the convict is a killer.

[@racheljordan4899]

Came here to comment this! 100%

[@bobbywilhelmi9932]

this man is about his principles, right wrong or indifferent

[@ouroborosnagyok9306]

says who

[@BlaecOleander]

​@@ouroborosnagyok9306 people who put the advertisement of their "superior" "morality" over the pain of and the justice for the victims, probably

[@susanalexander6721]

I don't call it murder, I call it Justice.

[@geraldross967]

They alcohol swab a person's arm before lethal injection. Why?

[@notpc48]

It's to prevent an infection. 🙄😆

[@susanalexander6721]

Protocol.

[@CherryBoy_y]

I love these types of shorts where the person in the video is saying something so ridiculous you don't even need to open the comment section to know what it says. It just calls to the human spirit, you instinctively know how people will react

[@KingBlaisy]

No it goes to show you’re an NPC who thinks like everyone else and can’t think outside the box.

[@meatcore6327]

i’ve always been opposed to the death penalty. in high school i was a part of a debate class, and i did a big project on the death penalty and how costly it is. it costs more money to put a person to death (the cost of injections, death row lawyers, etc.) whereas a life sentence is actually cheaper. there are some people who are monsters out there, but putting a person to death obviously hasn’t changed how people act out there. while his client may have been a murderer, there are too many innocent people going under the needle or the chair. this country is in serious need of reform.

[@evangelinebelami8716]

Awwww poor guy!! He lost his wittle fwend!! And they such meanies they shaved his head!! Not a word as to WHY the guy was going to ride the lightning bolt!! It's horrific what he did to that poor couple!! Thank heavens she survived!!

[@ollie5271]

Can't believe what I've just watched. This guy is essentially sticking up for a convicted murderer? Absolute wrong un

[@JayGall-jw2fw]

Well done. You figured out what a lawyer does

[@blackesteyes1133]

​@JayGall-jw2fw A defence lawyer tries to prevent a conviction. It's completely different.

[@ollie5271]

@@JayGall-jw2fw this relationship isn't just 'business' he genuinely liked the guy..

[@MsZelda2012]

That’s human rights lawyers for you…..

[@MsZelda2012]

@@JayGall-jw2fwsickening.

[@lmillssafc]

Oh yeah, lets all feel sorry for the poor murderer! Jeeeesus wept. 🙄🙄🙄

[@roninjanjira9687]

This guy made friends with someone who did something awful and he expects me to pay attention to his opinion?

[@schmiddinski]

Opinions can be valid regardless of who has them. You should listen to reason rather than who you find most sympathetic.

[@kattykuro8431]

@@schmiddinskiit is correct that someone can hold a valid opinion and behave in a morally reprehensible way at the same time. State sanctioned murder is bad, but I’m not really going to nod along with the guy who mourns the great guy who just so happens to have tortured and killed a man and attempted to kill a defenseless woman in cold blood over $60 and an old truck. It’s because something is clearly wrong here, and it seems that he despises the execution of this man because he views him as such a cool great guy (completely neglecting to mention why his friend was being put to death), not because he believes (correctly) that the state shouldn’t have a legal monopoly on murder and violence. just because the opinion may be correct doesn’t mean it will be valued, especially in the case of calling the murderer a nice guy and good friend. Like yeah I totally agree that workers right to unionize should be protected and animals shouldn’t be tortured, but if I heard those words coming out of the mouth of someone who fawns over Jeffrey dahmer, I’m not really going to treat them as a valid source of opinions.

[@schmiddinski]

@kattykuro8431 It is normal to question somebody's opinion based on things you know about a person, but the problem is you don't actually know that person. I strongly recommend watching the full video, it is very different from this snippet, because there is context. And I still believe you should maybe not ignore opinions based on what other opinions a person holds and instead judge them independently from one another with logic. Just because I personally can't stand the arguments that constantly happen where people try to make you sound impossible to agree with, by spinning your words around. It happens and I've seen it happen and it has happened to me.

[@MetalTiger208]

He remebers who that guys was and chooses to ignore who he became and the extent of his actions. He is the type of guy who doesnt put together the absence of his neighbors wife and the abnormally large floor rug his neighbor decides to throw away at 3 am.

[@beltigussin81]

Yeah it was just disgusting. Tell me why was he executed? You left our that part

[@deanoacero3918]

Dangerous people come in all shapes and sizes. Some look like non-threatening human rights lawyers.

[@srmj71]

The electric chair, "just disgusting." Yeah, I'm thinking this guy is missing the entire point of the death penalty. I'm my estimation, if you've earned the death penalty, going to sleep, is bs. The chair is something to fear.

[@RyanCorsaut]

Definition of a hug a thug. This man should have to explain to the victims family why his “friend” was such a “swell” guy.

[@carolyncarlson6410]

A teacher once told me, The death penalty Is killing people To tell people That killing people Is wrong 🕊

[@1SciFiGeek508]

Just disgusting that you defend a murderer & have zero sympathy for the victims

[@LammasDeluge]

He didn't defend the murderer. He simply pointed out that the electric chair is cruel and unusual punishment. Bad actions do not suddenly become good actions because of who we carry them out against. The death penalty does not deter crime, wastes more resources than it saves, is often given to innocent people, and also usually does not give the families of victims the closure they were looking for. It's pointless and it only damages the psyche of anyone who engages in it.

[@LuvstGatekeeper]

A murderer is scary but a whole society agreeing on barbaric punishments based on revenge much more so.

[@lesleybrown1583]

Exactly!!

[@ouroborosnagyok9306]

I completely disagree do barbaric acts, receive barbaric punishments it shouldn’t be that hard to understand how about we teach children the sanctity and importance of not only other people’s lives but their own so they never do this kind of stuff in the first place

[@BlaecOleander]

What's the difference between revenge and karma to you? I don't think it's about people wanting revenge as much as it is about people wanting those who *willfully* hurt others to reap what they have *willfully* sown. Is it wrong to want people to understand or endure that to which they have subjected others? If so, why? I'm not saying this applies to anyone who has taken a life but specifically those who have done so and enjoyed it or lacked remorse. If he were repentant, then sure, wanting him to still suffer would just be revenge, but I'm not sure someone who taunted strangers before hurting them would or could ever feel bad about it, so why should he (specifically him and others like him) be protected from a similar fate? I don't understand it.

[@JohnB-nq4js]

Probably not as disgusting as what the guy did to get the electric chair.

[@Bunk_off]

And what crime was he convicted of, that it was deemed he needed to be removed from the human race for unsportsmanlike behavior?

[@aquariandawn4750]

Did he offer his victims a cigarette? Frankly even though I support the death penalty, I'm not down with the electric chair, but I can't believe you called this murderer a nice guy.

[@romanchristiensen7969]

Let's look into this human rights lawyers early life..... Who would nose!!!! Now let's ask him about the idfs rxpe of prisons policy!???

[@lesleycouch6557]

"idfs rxpe?" Genuine question - what does this mean?

[@romanchristiensen7969]

@lesleycouch6557 oh are you denying the video evidence and government arrests then release of the soldiers who carried out these activities? Becouse the courthouse was stormed by tulmud worshippers?

[@eddieshimone8540]

What's discusting is the fact that the poor families of the victims of these people having to listen to people like this. They should relinquish there human rights when they have carried out inhumane act's

[@annaa3772]

And what about the families of people who were executed who were innocent? Or about the families of people who did it, but they still love them and don't want them to die? Or about victims who disagree with the death penalty? Victimhood is very complex.

[@A-A_P]

​@@annaa3772 not to say You're wrong, You cannot be as it is a matter of opinion. But wouldn't the last point be elieviated if the victim could choose the penatly (if they survive etc)? Also, the question is raised, were the family responsible in the sense of, say, raising a murderer, or alternatively, shouldn't they blame their family member for that member getting killed because of their own evil deeds~stupidity? Not to say anything about my own preferences, rather, such places may incite very interesting discussions on morality etc.

[@BlaecOleander]

​@@annaa3772 what about them? We're not talking about them. We're talking about a particular case in which there is no doubt of the guy's guilt. I am staunchly against the death penalty if there is any room for doubt, but in a case like this, specifically like this, who TF cares? Like if you care, why? No "well what abouts"; just this guy (and others like him) specifically.

[@BlaecOleander]

​@@annaa3772 as for victims who disagree with the penalty...well, (and I know this is fictional, but it's a metaphor, so gimme a break) Batman (yes I'm mentioning Batman) is one such victim, and look how many people the Joker continues to hurt and take out because of Batman's prioritizing his aversion to killing over the safety of the Joker's future victims. Prisoners can and do escape and recidivism isn't rare. Maybe not the best way to make a point, but I just think that it's not a moral failing for a government to neutralize threats to prevent more deaths

[@woy8]

Also sick what the guy probably has done, but to innocent people, much worse. But yeah don’t repeat that cycle, but locked up for life can also be considered inhuman, no way out of it

[@viv8117]

There was ‘no way out’ for his victims 😢

[@helenbelfrage3025]

I think that the crime that was committed committed was horrific. However, I do not believe in the death penalty. I can understand why people would want the perpetrator killed, but I think that 2 wrongs don't make a right. I think that complete solitary confinement, no contact with fellow inmates, plus no access to social media (television, radio, computers, etc) would make a life sentence go very slowly indeed. The death sentence is over very quickly.

[@silentforest7147]

Let's talk about what's disgusting. What this and other scumbags on death row did to their victims. I would argue that they all got off far easier than their victims. With attitudes like this it's easy to see how far we have fallen as people- what we allow people to do, what we tolerate, how we misplace our sympathy. Now, if there is video of this man giving equal time to feeling bad for the victims of death row inmates- I would be interested in seeing it.

[@HRHooChicken]

These people who are so against the death penalty are probably the same ones who say we need to keep giving Ukraine long range missiles

[@edithalbrecht809]

The electric chair needs to be abolished, I can't believe the stupidity of the officers who killed this guy, there has to be put a lot more thought into the process, I can't imagine how humanity has to accept such humiliation, read Crime and Punishment by Dostoyewski

[@ouroborosnagyok9306]

humiliation? the electric chair is merciful whats humiliating and embarrassing is that that man was raised to think the way he did, treating that couple the way he did he’s a scumbag and that behavior is TAUGHT

[@michaelhauser6440]

How is this the officers problem? They don't make the law. And if anyone is stupid, it's the guys that shot two parents in the head that were begging for their lives

[@stacyflood4319]

The only ones I feel sad for are the ones this guy killed..... PERIOD!!!

[@glencrane1321]

Where's my violin

[@SayWhatAgainMF]

D. R. Lawyer: "I've lost 6 people over the years." D. R. Inmate: "Anyone know another lawyer?"

[@blightfrog]

The murder of innocent wasn’t disgusting?

[@stetomlinson3146]

I totally agree with him. It’s barbaric. Wrong on so many levels.

[@michaelhauser6440]

What killers do is barbaric

[@michaelhauser6440]

You agree with the weird, creepy guy? Cool, got it

[@rebekahtaylor4830]

What's disgusting is that they don't do it anymore, think about the victims...poor guy 🤮🤮

[@Jlove906]

We teach our kids to know the difference between right and wrong. And if you do wrong you will suffer the consequences. So make better choices. If the law of the land says this is the consequences of committing murder … Yes the death penalty was cruel and inhumane. That was the point of it. If you kill, the consequences will be a death so painful and disrespectful to you cause you were so disrespectful to your fellow human and took their life. The penalty was there to in-still fear to deter us from doing the unthinkable. Was the victims death human? Was it less cruel than 2400 volts? Im sure the victim would have loved another 12 years on this earth to make friends and watch his family grow or even have the option of having a last meal.

[@TheCheeseManGuy]

You lost me when you said that justice should be cruel and inhumane. This is one of those topics where America is so far behind the rest of the civilised world, that the rest of us are looking at you lot wondering when you're going to catch up.

[@tw7873]

@@TheCheeseManGuythat’s your opinion, you do not speak for whole countries. There are probably millions of people in your country who disagree with you. Perhaps if one of your family members or partners had to go through what his victims did, you would feel differently. Yes, he tortured a couple and killed one for no one reason, but “oh please let the murderer have a comfortable death!” It is so very pathetic when people make statements like yours.

[@LammasDeluge]

That's all fine and reasonable. But what about the innocent individuals who are executed because the justice system is not perfect and infallible?

[@BlaecOleander]

​​@@LammasDeluge ma'am, while I agree with you, your question is literal whataboutism, and is beyond the scope of this video and the conversation at hand. We are currently talking about a specific someone who is absolutely known to be guilty. No one wants to see an innocent person harmed, but everyone (or most people) want to see a monster be forced understand the fear and pain they have inflicted upon others first hand... especially since he appeared to not have considered or cared about it in the moment, even to the extent of taunting the poor victims. Let's talk about him specifically because he is the one we are talking about. Can you defend him?? Can you gainsay what was done to him based on *his* actions? If so, how and why?

[@bluntslt8023]

This was a very good surprise. Glad i found this gem

[@J-MQ_1956]

the Eighth Amendment of the US Constitution states that: «there shall be no cruel and unusual punishments inflicted» Independently of the methods of execution or the protocol surrounding the execution process itself, no one can tell me that placing someone in solitary confinement for 10 to sometimes 30 years before his/her execution is not a cruel and unusual punishment. In the case of Nicholas Ingram, he was literally yanked out the chair less than an hour before he was due to be electrocuted because of a last minute stay of execution, that was near immediately reversed and returned to the chair a couple of hours later for a second time and executed… If that is not appallingly cruel and unusual, than what is…

[@edombre4637]

That’s a human “rights” lawyer for you.

[@davidanspach1624]

Don't group human rights advocates with this guy. Human rights advocates and lawyers are an exceedingly important thing to have; there are rights that you enjoy which you wouldn't have otherwise without such people.

[@rustyjones7908]

That's a dangerous path. Once they start saying one type of crime doesn't deserve legal representation they'll push for more. I'm not shedding any tears over the killer getting the chair but I'm not opposed to him having legal council in court.

[@willspin9572]

Just because you don't agree with the death penalty doesn't make you right. I'd be interested to see if people like this would feel the same if it was their child that was murdered

[@tracimetcalf3374]

That is why the parents of victims are not allowed on juries. We need people like this man because EVERYONE is presumed innocent until proven guilty and is entitled to competent legal representation. It is in the constitution

[@Alex-ug9wx]

@@tracimetcalf3374but we know this man wasn’t innocent. We know this because one of his victims miraculously survived to tell her story and get justice for her and her husband. The fact he is saying, in 2024, that Ingram was a friend of his, is a major red flag.

[@Totek6]

Yeah let's read about his crime and then decide if the electric chair was a disgusting punishment for him - At approximately 6:30 pm, Ingram entered the Cobb County home of J.C. and Mary Sawyer, demanding that they let him use their phone and later demanding money and the keys to the couple's car, threatening to shoot them if they did not cooperate with him. Mary Sawyer gave Ingram $60, while J.C. Sawyer surrendered the keys to his pickup truck. Ingram then led the couple outside and into the woods surrounding their home. He tied their hands behind them and bound them to a tree using rope and wire. The Sawyers begged Ingram not to kill them while Ingram taunted and threatened them; he ultimately gagged them with his shirt after tearing it in two and stuffing each half into each victim's mouth. He then shot them both in the head at point-blank range. The shots were fatal to J.C. Sawyer, but Mrs. Sawyer survived. She played dead until she heard Ingram drive off with J.C. Sawyer's truck. After confirming that her husband was dead, Mary Sawyer untied herself and went to a neighbor's house to call the police.

[@gamlaman]

Cool story, feel bad for the victims, the death penalty is still wrong and isn’t made right because of your feelings on this specific case. Especially considering innocent people are regularly executed too.

[@tw7873]

@@gamlaman”cool story”…Really? What a pathetic and uneducated response. Do better.

[@gamlaman]

@@tw7873 I mean, you clearly either didn't read past the first two words of my comment or got too angry to think about what I was saying, so... stones and glass houses.

[@Atypical-0]

​@@tw7873pathetic aren't they

[@BlaecOleander]

​​​​​@@gamlaman I read your entire comment and I agree with him/her. I love how you are likely attempting to assert what you believe is your moral superiority by stating that the death penalty is wrong but are doing so in a manner that glaringly implies that you have a severe and egregious lack of empathy, yourself. You could have made the point that you made without reducing a horrendously traumatic event to "cool story." Your response *was* pathetic and uneducated. Yikes. Shame on you. Do better.

[@salmansheikh4377]

We need to be less emotional about murderers, and more humane. Lex talionis is too old. We need to do whatever to prevent it from happening. But that doesnt mean the government is sanctioned to take life.

[@Rydonattelo]

Its not the voltage that kills people from electricity, its the current. How high was the current?

[@CarolMiller-qu9te]

I've been waiting, a new one from you!

[@tudorviorelvieru8260]

Tell me you're a democrat without telling me you're a democrat

[@ellab8897]

This has roughly zero to do with politics. I doubt the murderer asked the people he shot in the head what their political affiliations were before he shot them. It could well be that the murderer is an example of tell me you're a republican without telling me you're a republican. Asinine. 🙄

[@leannejay]

Why are there so many bots now? These comments aren't even relevant?

[@Diogenes_Lantern.]

It's evidence of God's existence. Hallelujah!

[@leedarnell8977]

I can empathize that this man is trying to find the humanity in human beings that committed terrible acts. Ultimately, I think we want to believe sometimes that cold-blooded killers are still human. That does not absolve them of their crimes though and I certainly would not call someone who made another suffer a "friend." Pull yourself together and think about how the families of the victims would feel.

[@lb8141]

The pity for people who had no remorse for the evil they did to others....