Hundreds of tests to find the best wood finish

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[@ryandury]

FYI Adam Savage indirectly mentioned you in his last video.. I believe he was talking about the camera boom you made, which has inspired him to think about 3D printing more.

[@gariursic4778]

Bravo Rayan! 😃Yes, you are right when you say that Adam Savage mentions about a guy who made a ten thousand dollar camera stand ... and you know why? I sent him your link a few days after you posted your video, I'm glad to know that it wasn't in vain and he looked at it. And he was also inspired by your boxes to arrange things and he has put them on sale ... Alexander you are getting big!

[@SpaceflightSimulator]

They should do a collab!

[@MariusViken]

What´s the name of the video? He´s released so many since then..

[@loopinnerthe]

Dear this video, sorry you didn't do too well and did not get the usual number of people watching you. You have a spreadsheet and a proper scientific method and all kinds of matrices of tests. This is total bonkers overkill and dedication to the cause of finishing wood and you get a big hug from me. Alexandre this must have taken so much time and as a resource it is absolutely invaluable congratulations indeed

[@corgikun2579]

I do not intend to learn anything you do in your videos, but you're so cool and entertaining. I watch them all

[@bertagabor9111]

Same bro, just love watching him making all of these furnitures and building his place to live at by himself, just so valuable

[@mbmurphy777]

Not all the VOC are the same. For example, the spirit dye gives off ethanol. The ones you want to worry about as I understand it are things like toluene and methyl ethyl ketone solvents.

[@andreea34]

This is one of the best product testing examples I've seen. Super satisfying to see all the data viz for it. You're my hero.

[@halsti99]

5:56 Water does not stop the reaction of the oily rags. It just delays it, till they are dry again. After that, they may still ignite. Leave the rags out to open air for a day, then dispose of them next day. The hardening reaction should be done after that. Alternatively, put them in an air tight container and they will not harden, so you can reuse the rag, or sponge. ive seen people use old pickle jars for example.

[@ryansweeney2067]

Check out Bourbon Moth Woodworking's video about oil rags. Quite the eye opener!

[@HDTwiZ]

This was insanely well done! Great job! Saved me a ton of time figuring out what to choose, thank you!

[@droko9]

If you're going with rubio monocoat, check out ceramic nano coatings

[@BLBlackDragon]

That's a lot of work, but good knowledge to have. Thank you to you and your lovely SO for all the work. (Yes, we noticed her working in the background. ;) ) The issue of scratch resistance, or finish durability, would be interesting to see, along with the benefits/problems with putting a clear coat over the top. Please?

[@bwines16]

I love your channel and love you make the files SO affordable! My dad has been talking about having me 3D print him drawer organizers for over a year now. Bought the PLA but never bought the files or told me which ones he wants! So for father's day this year I'm just going to do it and start printing basic organizers and then he can get into it and tell me more customized ones. But I've watched some of your videos since he sent me the organizer one last year and I love them. Thank you!

[@jamiebmorton]

Did you consider doing a stain test with a kitchen cleaner as surely this would be used in a kitchen to clean surfaces and to test if it would have an effect on the colour?

[@chris_piss]

You have to use gpt-4! Gpt-3 is very often wrong for my use cases (typically programming), but 4 almost always gives me the answer I'm looking for

[@Mar-Key]

Incredibly helpful! Will you be releasing the data/spreadsheet? I can see myself referencing it often, if so!

[@stevejohnson1685]

Alex - time to learn Excel pivot tables! Impressive testing and great results.

[@itsmefalconOo]

I've been using Osmo hardwax oil for everything for years, especially the Amber color. Just love the look, feel and how long it lasts. Outdoor furniture still looks good after being outside for years. Both in harsh Australian and Swedish climates.

[@juliusheigl1015]

Really awesome work, thanks for all the tests, really useful!

[@jimmymammucha5946]

Thank you for your hard work! Looking forward to more rubio tips and tricks

[@djdutchjones]

Love it. Please more testing. 😊

[@halsti99]

great video! very interesting results. this will definetly change how i apply some of my finishes aswell.

[@peterwetherall2623]

that was amazing. best and most comprehensive test/comparison I have seen

[@yannickinskywalker]

Thats an absolutly insane amount of information. Great work!

[@minaeghbal8138]

I love your videos! They inspire me as an Architecture student.

[@bbg-designs8364]

Something might worth checking out. Blue dolphin finishes. They produce oil that can be coated with laquer, making it super nice and easy and very high protection

[@thunderstruck1078]

Amazing series.

[@mariannegaetanopulma4077]

This made me so happy since I live and finland and stain is very limited as well as colors of stains.

[@virtualfather]

On the boards with the stain coating (wine, water, …) If you reply a new layer and wipe do the spots go away? are you going to be able to get the cabinet up the stairs?

[@vargtimmenson]

Thank you once more for your very inspiring video ! I would love that you go further into this testing (scratch resistance, how well is last after few month of using your furniture...) Kiss

[@cosmicvoyager12]

Great and very informative video. For high-use surfaces such as drawer fronts I can also recommend bi-component PU conversion lacquers. They exist in ultra matt and some are also lightly pigmented, such that the optics and feeling of the wood are largely preserved while providing far superior resistance to the environment than oil-based finishes. 2h drying time between coats, 2 coats, so you can finish your whole projet in half a day. I have had good experiences with Hesse Lignal.

[@pbryld]

What stain did you end up using? It looks great!

[@sumiaota3335]

The other advantage of Rubio personally, is that to repair the finish, the new and old layers meld well, can't tell the difference between the two. Not so true with other finishes I've used (except maybe shellac)

[@mjjf8297]

Wow so mich work for one video 😳 Great comparison! Thanks 🙏

[@davidbrown8365]

Insane. And fun!

[@Nwtesla]

OW Incredible effort you have made in this video, it's been a while since I've been on the channel and my goodness what I've been missing. Great job!

[@monsieurjfgingras]

Impressive commitment Alex 👌

[@ScottS360]

This was a really informative video. I loved it! Not sure if you can find them in Europe but clear "nano" or "ceramic" finishes wiped on over Rubio to provide extra protection are becoming popular. I'd be curious to know how much, if any, additional protection they provide since they seem to be extremely expensive. Keep up the great work!

[@TomLichti]

I came here to say the same thing. I haven't tried it myself but I know Cam from Blacktail Studio swears by Rubio plus a ceramic top coat. Of course he does sell his own version, but I think the point is still valid.

[@keeneowen587]

Yeah, Blacktail studio has a woodworking specific ceramic coat that makes it more shiny and way more water protective. The water just beads off of it.

[@glittalogik]

@@TomLichti In Cam's defense, he'd been singing the praises of Black Forest Wood Co.'s ceramic coatings for years before he came out with his own equivalent product. That said, I'd also like to see Alex run some tests of his own on whichever brands he can get his hands on.

[@DominusFeles]

+1

[@haphazard1342]

Can we get a download for the results and analysis Excel file? Very interested to prioritize stain resistance in my own projects.

[@jamesfarrer5087]

Your attention to detail and thoroughness is insane. Thanks for putting together such a comprehensive video. You and Vilda applying finish in white T-Shirts 😂

[@jewdd1989]

I’ve heard others here on YT say that they sand to 180 grit without any issue with Osmo and Rubio. In fact some have said 120 is just too rough for a finished piece. But incase you’re wondering about Osmo Polyx in “Raw” which has the light amount of white pigment to hold wood’s natural color without yellowing or getting orangey… it’s stunning! I tested on two sanded pieces of Hickory at 180 grit and it does a good job of covering with a tiny amount. Yes it’s expensive but holy cow it goes a long way and the point is to really rub in the least amount possible otherwise it pulls and remains tacky or it can’t dry!!! It’s hard to describe it, it’s an oil finish no doubt but it didn’t orange up the hickory, in fact as it’s drying it’s lightened some close to the raw sections of hickory but there is a big difference between the Raw oil applied areas and the actual raw wood and that is the depth of color… I mean the Raw oil made all the depths and variations of color and grain in the hickory suddenly show up. It’s gorgeous and I’m very picky about finishes. I hate staining wood, sometimes it’s needed but I love to appreciate the wood as it naturally is except for some protection. It’s like applying a water based polyurethane only with Osmo polyx raw you can see and feel the grain and not that it’s fuzzy or rough but there isn’t that awful layer of plastic on top that ruins the wood. To see someone using it check out Tamar at 3x3 Custom where she applied it to her daughter’s white oak, platform bed and it’s stunning on the white oak as well but it’s even better in person! The other thing that I like about this is according to Osmo (there’s demo videos here on YT) I can apply their original polyx on top of the Polyx in Raw for more protection and to add more luster. I haven’t tried that yet, but I will and can’t wait to see the results

[@allanfrederick686]

Man that was intense!

[@MESTER47]

Hey man, great video. I used Rubio mono coat and it works, it is easy to apply, I will see in time how it will perform, after one week the flagrance is still present. I only used Nitro lacquer in Europe, which isn't so persistent and it is durable. We will see my friend how this Rubio mono coat works. Thanks again for all your effort.

[@alphabetaquarium]

HOLY SHIT, this is going to change Fellesverkstedet... Thanks for the hard work.

[@achappel]

I'm happy you enjoyed the video :)

[@5fingers1]

Nice one

[@edreynoldssr8910]

Would you use any paste wax on these surfaces? This video was outstanding, you covered all the difficult questions we could think of. Thank you.

[@bjoern2x]

Very good review. Will keep this in mind the next time I refinish a piece of furniture. Greetings from Bømlo.

[@TommyGuerreschi]

have you ever tried boiled linseed oil ?

[@Roberto-ow9rj]

Great boys👍

[@soadkrloz]

I'm all excited to see the kitchen design fulfilled

[@erlendedvardsen7984]

Finally new video!🤩

[@TheshBuilds]

We use Rubio at work strictly. Works really well

[@hvglaser]

Before sniffing hundreds of floor finishers: Profile Picture After huffing fumes from hundreds of floor finishers: Video Thumbnail

[@bndp]

that is absolutely irrelevant to me but the amount of work you put into your videos is AMAZING!!

[@DeGroeneMus]

Absolute legend!

[@stefanward-bradley7006]

Sorry to hear this vid performed badly, only realised it existed when I watched your more recent kitchen island video. Thanks for the effort and info in this video

[@StrivingForPerfection]

Can you mention the exact models you were using, especially interested in the osmo hard top coat as a person in finland struggling to understand what to use. Also, is there a replacement for pastewax in our region.

[@charlescastelain6071]

You might miss tannin primer to avoid stains from them on oak with rubio

[@TheRadProd]

Damn I've literally applied rubio for the first time on my countertops yesterday. I hope I did it well 😅

[@610324dan]

why didnt you test any ceramic top coat also ??

[@WMWE83AVA]

Hva med et top coat med teflon for beskyttelse?

[@LeddingtonGuitars]

Check out Oli Natura hard wax oil... way cheaper than Osmo and Rubio.... just as good imo. Used it on a bar i built in a busy pub... still going string 1 yr later.

[@aoverhage5181764]

What about lacquer? Sprayed lacquer is the old standby that usually offers good protection.

[@user-yu7bj5gk6v]

The algorithm did you dirty on this one, only knew the video was out because you mentioned it in the following, just released video...

[@Rompestromper]

Would love to see the Osmo top oil unless it is the same product

[@RussellNelson]

15:37 I hope some of that red wine made it onto the wood!

[@gabrielad6000]

Thank you Alex for testing all these products so we don't have to!!

[@constantmarks3187]

Wow, awesome rigorous testing that is hard to find on KZbin.

[@luciflash]

I'm sorry the video didn't do that well. I like this kind of comparison. I would love to see more variants of stain, with a varnish top coat. I usually spray water based varnish (clear) on my pieces, but I haven't found a staining product I like.

[@kuchygucci7411]

FIRST!!! I love your videos Alex, keep up the great content!

[@liebeslicht4162]

Wow, how much power you've got. 🙃

[@miguelanjinsanortizmontes9870]

Is it possible more concrete, por favor

[@canete_h]

And now, enter the world of nano-finishing 😇

[@arosenberger87]

Craft paper works better for polishing finishes, especially shellac.

[@MaartenOosterbaan]

Wow. Cool never been the first viewer or commenter on an established KZbinr. Love the whole apartment series!! Looking forward to see it all finished. BTW electric floor heating is pretty expensive. What do you guys pay for a kW? I know Norway has a lot of Hydro which is relatively cheap energy…

[@beartastic-ftw]

Close but no cigar:P Prices vary, gone up a lot recently, think peak in winter was just over $1/kwh, which is 2-4x what it was two years ago. (but there was also some government subsidy that varied)

[@MaartenOosterbaan]

@@beartastic-ftw Wow ok. That’s even more than it was in NL, think we topped out for electric at $0,78 or something around that. Without solar electric floor heating seems very expensive then…

[@johnsimpson99]

@@beartastic-ftw Wow. I thought our 2 step charges here were a rip off. Highest price we pay is $0.1422 CAD/kwh. $.0959 for first 1350kwh in 2 month period.

[@damianmaynard2592]

I think you need to be a little more in depth here AC. 😂. Amazing work and commitment.

[@josh__8481]

He's lost in the sauce 😂

[@achappel]

hahahahahahah

[@FlokrollProjects]

juhuuuuuu

[@shintarolin1933]

Who is u, me is Saaaan Diing

[@refactorear]

17:15 As a senior programmer I confirm, ChatGPT's outputs need to be taken with a grain of salt, always read, understood and tried before considering them finished because ChatGPT does exactly what you asked for, and what one asks for is not always that clear. If you got the data you can first feed the samples and tell it that its output needs to take that data and obtain a certain result to hopefully shorten that process (it's like forcing it to use TDD or test-driven development). But if you don't know what the result should be and don't have data, yes, it becomes very obnoxious. Approach it with caution and distrust everything it says or does until you understand everything it has done.

[@Glav21]

Very very impressive test! holy sh*t! There is absolutely no doubt that some of the manufacturers are going to change how to add their product to surfaces :D

[@MrLinuxFish]

Chat GPT is terrible at spreadsheets

[@joemoya9743]

The sanding marks are because you used a rotatory/orbital sander. That is not best for wood. That type of sander is used for metal. Use belt sander or vibrator sander. But, honestly... hand sanding with a block and sand paper (NO PADS) is by far the best way.

[@DesconectadoOaxaca]

Never heard anyone ever say that a ROS isn't for wood

[@joemoya9743]

@@DesconectadoOaxaca Think about it. An orbital sander rotates in a direction opposite to the wood grain, causing scratches to appear only when the grit moves against the grain. It is impossible to scratch wood when sanding parallel to the grain, which is not feasible with a circular sanding motion. However, the square-shaped vibrating sander is an exception. It can also scratch the grain, although it is less likely to do so because its movement is mostly in one direction, rather than circular. The only advantage of an orbital sander is its speed, as it covers a larger area while aggressively cross grain sanding. The trade-off, however, is that it tends to create more scratches, which are usually not noticeable until stain is applied. In a nutshell, with rotary sanders, and sometimes vibrating sanders if an overly coarse grit is used, hand sanding is almost always necessary thus taking longer to sand not shorter. Also, you'll discover that using the correct grit matching the wood's hardness in hand sanding saves time, as you only need to sand once with the correct grit. However, hand sanding requires more pressure than using a sander, leading to faster fatigue in the forearms and hands making it unpopular. Many beginners tend to over sand the wood and are unaware of how to achieve a fine finish without excessive sanding. Professional woodworkers, on the other hand, typically require only one round of sanding on unfinished wood. An experienced professional can sand an entire set of raw wood kitchen cabinets, similar to yours, in about 3-4 hours (or less). The final finish would then take an additional 2-3 hours for two sanding passes plus finish, applying three thin layers of either water-based or oil-based finishes. The key to their efficiency lies in avoiding the need to sand out scratches and prevent the grain from being raised, which is often caused by sanding machines. Plus, they know how to use the final finish material to reduce sanding time. In short, they sand once and don't back track through each stage. It's worth mentioning that these highly skilled professionals are rare to find. Hand sanding has become a lost art since machines require less physical effort and create the illusion of being faster. It's only when you witness a master craftsman with decades of experience at work that you truly appreciate the difference.

[@1234minecraft5678]

Using excel and gpt 3 really is your own fault for wasting a day ;D

[@michaeldavis6607]

I’m bailing because this dude talks way too much.

[@miguelanjinsanortizmontes9870]

27 minutes, what happed, per favore

[@bigfoot8994]

Too much talking with less useful information

[@DanyalSensei]

Stopped watching about 5min in... Waiting for an episode where you actually make noticeable progress.

[@tatyboy1337]

who cares about you lol

[@prospect2664]

personally i dislike how your kitchen will look... it looks similar to soviet era furniture and me and my family hates it, because we have seen too much of it

[@arturelo]

wow one of the most boring episodes, what's next?