Hybrid Electric Dealership Rip Off! "Buy Here Pay Here" special!

[@SouthMainAuto]

Ohhhh Raymond haha 😂 this would be mint in NY!

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

lol I know right? I had a fox body in a lift years ago ( in Michigan) left it overnight and it “sank”through the lift l points 😬

[@hydewhyte4364]

I'm a little further north ... and almost every car I've owned in 30 years has gone to the scrap yard with a perfectly running engine when I couldn't find anywhere safe to put a jack.

[@gwrider2146]

Yep, even here in the upper midwest, that Es-cop-ay would be quite nice!😏 I feel bad for the folks that bought that vehicle with all the "dealer prep" it had performed on it to hide its seriously corroded areas😑. I'm sure most vehicles of that era from the Florida area don't look quite like that yet, and my guess is the folks that bought it were expecting to buy a vehicle in a condition that reflects its regional area?🤔

[@ladeseddy5994]

Eric you are so right... The boys are putting down the pretreat right now!

[@coolcatmeow77]

They would sell it 'Like New' in Michigan and the upper half of Indiana!

[@ginnaericka]

Watching with my 10 month old baby and I'm getting flashbacks from the local finance companies. It breaks my heart when I have to deal with the honest side versus the corporate side. This is why I watch and view your videos.

[@lea-rw5cb]

Good tip if your buying a used car take a mechanic with you if your not sure 👍👍👍

[@GrumpyIan]

@@lea-rw5cb or call a shop you're comfortable with, schedule an appointment and go there on the test drive.

[@stillnotwoke]

@Mersa Kiya Beat it...BITCH

[@wynonarburgstiner4667]

I sincerely hope you let the customer know that they were scammed by the dealer. You did a good job even if it was frustrating.

[@tsdobbi]

I mean, I just assume most shit you would buy from lots like that are window dressing issues. Spray painting the rust etc is just a clear attempt to cover it up and prevent it from catching the customers eye.

[@goverat]

I don't know how consumer law works there, but surely if it's with a very short time frame a full refund would be available as the goods weren't as described

[@MonitorMonarch]

@@goverat Depends. I know in PA lemon law only applies to new vehicles, not used

[@goclunker]

@@tsdobbi while its scummy its not illegal. Customer has a lemon for a brain to not do a thorough inspection

[@dylanbuffell2899]

@@goclunker not everyone has the funds for a private mechanic to come check out the car. Lots of people don't know jack shit about cars.

[@tyh6243]

Oh, man, this is heartbreaking to watch. Buyers going to these type of places can't afford to undo this kind of wear and tear.

[@nodak81]

Not only that but they can't afford to fight these crooks in court either. Lawyer fees, court costs and taking time off from work aren't an option for lots of folks.

[@Buck_Fiden658]

They could if he was bice enough to give them a copy of this video. Which I sincerely hope he did.

[@misseselise3864]

@@Buck_Fiden658 you’ve clearly never been to a buy here pay here place. the contract you sign says that you’re buying the car as is and make sure you know you cannot seek legal action against them for any issues that arise once you drive off the lot. only exception is if there was a manufacturer recall that was active when the customer bought the vehicle but wasn’t informed of the recall (which isn’t possible because insurance companies will inform you of any active recalls when adding the vehicle to your policy)

[@josephlafrance334]

@@misseselise3864 and clearly you’re probably a buy here pay here crook

[@simpletooluse5745]

@@misseselise3864 yea I highly doubt that would apply if they tried to conceal damage(ie painting over damage/rust rather then repairing) as that constitutes fraud.

[@michaelpressman7203]

I've been in the trade for 45 years and I refuse to back any company or shop that is dishonest with the public and have walked out I respect you for your honesty integrity and mechanical ability and those take advantage of the mechanically challenged should be shut by

[@macmak246]

We watch you for your talent as a mechanic, not as a director. Don't be so hard on yourself for missing the end of the video. I enjoy every video of yours and you've earned my subscription!

[@marktalbott3835]

We also don't watch it for his political commentary at least I don't

[@EpicMel0ns]

I really like the “scam” videos to see what the sellers try to hide

[@CodyDoesIt]

Welcome to used car tech territory

[@tommak6516]

Just put some black tape over it, not essential.

[@freelimes8389]

I bought a rodknock 06 subaru legacy off a poor old lady who only had it for about a couple of months before it died. Turns out the used dealership REMOVED the bulbs on the check engine light, the cruise control light, low oil light, traction control and tps light and then painted over them on the dash so they just didn't exist anymore. Car had every code in the book.

[@kevinl3235]

Free Limes: That's so illegal! Pretty horrible! It's worth spending the money to get a vehicle inspected at a reputable shop beforehand.

[@foxiedogitchypaws7141]

It makes me sick to think what people say about a car used by a little old lady who drove 2 miles a year.

[@MidasMakeItRain]

Reminds me of when I was buying a used car after my 95 volvo died after 23 years. Went to a place, looked at a jetta, was visually inspecting it, saw bright shiny brake parts, asked if there had been any work done on the car recently, nope, I walked immediately. Nothing sets off more alarms in my head than painting parts like that.

[@Notmyname1593]

I`d say lying about it is at least as bad.

[@the_kombinator]

I've painted my own calipers and drums with rustoleum (not even - Canadian Tire rust paint) for decades and it's fine. I don't rally my cars or have 8 pot calipers with carbon ceramic rotors, maybe that's why? Jokes aside, for 90% of roadgoing applications, painting calipers and drums does not require specialized, expensive, multicoat paint - I'm able to paint all four corners for 50 cents worth of paint and protect them from rusting. My latest application was 5 years ago on my 1999 Matiz, brakes still look good today.

[@brandoncaldwell95]

@@the_kombinator painting drums and calipers is completely different than just what they did. If you live up north, touchup painting galore. Where i am, takes at least 2 to 3 yesrs before surface rust.

[@the_kombinator]

@@brandoncaldwell95 Not necessarily - These days, true, the calipers/drums I painted are on cars that don't see winter use, but in the past, all my beaters had it done. Guess I'll have to experiment - my 300,000k Sonata's due for brakes in the spring, and I have a bunch of Aluminum colored rust paint ;)

[@lolatmyage]

@@the_kombinator I don't know, I tried painting my (brand new) drums once, sanded them, washed with brake cleaner, painted with fancy high temp paint, even cooked them in the oven, and by next spring the rust was already popping through all over the place...

[@kennedymcgovern5413]

Some things are eternal. I haven't worked in a garage since high school. I finished high school in 1988. I used that exact tire machine. I mean right down to the brand and model.

[@VirtueSignal9000]

closing in on 200K subscribers 😳 it’s been cool seeing your content evolve and I’m glad your channel is getting the proper traction, well done Ray 👍🏼

[@wv-dixie6374]

202k now 2 days later

[@JA-rn5qv]

@@wv-dixie6374 And now almost 400k 2 days after that

[@wv-dixie6374]

@@JA-rn5qv thats fast i dont think i subbed that was first video i watched ill have to go back see what im missing

[@ovni2295]

Your comment about "Do not buy from buy here pay here lots" rings true with my experience. I was in the market for a used Chevy Volt late last year, and the first place we checked never told us that there was a problem with the car. But there very definitely was, because the Check Engine light came on during the test drive. After that, the car salesman got super nervous, started making promises for short-term warranties and such. I just walked. I wasn't going to risk it.

[@scrapmanindustries]

Check engine lights don’t really mean anything sometimes. Usually they come on for sensors going bad. Sometimes they mean something bad but not usually.

[@cloudstrife6435]

​@@scrapmanindustriessounds like you work at one of these dealerships or Jiffy Lube.

[@scrapmanindustries]

@@cloudstrife6435 I work on my own stuff. I don't know what you're talking about working at jiffy lube. I've had 4 trucks that had check engine lights permanently on. one was for evap code one was for a knock sensor that failed, I forget the other 2 cause it wasn't important. people act like check engine lights are the end of the world and get all scared to drive their car think they bought a lemon. most of the time its something stupid that don't effect the car at all. there's times were they do tell you something sure but from my experience you can usually just keep on trucking.

[@hylanddilligaf6023]

Pay for the mechanical insurance.

[@MarkMcClelland-f3f]

If you don't know who you're dealing with. Spend a few dollars and get a prepurchase inspection with a trusted mechanic.

[@ZerotheWanderer]

I would've presented all the info found about the rust and shitty conditions and deceptive practices before replacing the TPMS sensors.

[@ducewags]

Or have it pre-checked before you buy something, maybe???

[@TheJcrandazzo]

How do you know they didnt ??? Price paid is the key !!Personally, I think the buyer knew its faults and negotiated the price accordingly.

[@Nakaamaa]

The customer is always informed of the condition if you go to a reputable shop, it’s a safety concern. Because he didn’t include it in the video doesn’t mean it didn’t happened

[@troybrown7092]

@@TheJcrandazzo That vehicle would be unsellable in Nova Scotia, we have safety inspections yearly and any used car of a dealer lots needs a sticker less than 30 days old.

[@bikeman1x11]

i sure this was in the buyers price range and with the shamdemic prices on decent cars are crazy- $3k a couple years ago could get a decent car needing only minor work that would be fine for years

[@patrickrooney5130]

I enjoyed watching the video. I'm old school mechanic 55 years at the game. Good luck in the future mate. Paddy from Ireland.

[@coleslaw9734]

First off, I love this channel, and Ray's workmanship. Please allow me to chime in by saying most of my own shops business is from a local bhph dealership that wants each vehicle inspected, serviced, and any "major issues" repaired before even being put on their lot. If there are issues that are chosen not to be repaired, the dealership prices the vehicle accordingly, or they just send the vehicle back to the auction and wholesale it. Not saying all bhph places are like my clients, but not all of them are like what they are portrayed to be in this video. I would hope that most bhph businesses want to sell a vehicle that will "tote the note" and at the very least, last as long as the loan term is. Lastly, I would guess that the spray paint was more likely done by whoever wholesaled the vehicle at an auction to help conceal all of the rust so it would bring more money when it ran through the auction. I hope that whoever purchased this escape bought it at a great discount, otherwise, that particular dealership is questionable to say the least. Edited to add: Always, always, always get a vehicle inspected before you buy it.

[@bokesnmokes]

I was on hard times back in 2000, recovering from some financial mistakes, and I needed a car. I went to a bhph lot and they had some nice stuff. They would negotiate on price but not the down payment, that was set in stone, so I wound up with a 6 year old Dodge Spirit. It was a real dorkmobile, but it turned out to be a really reliable car. I had it for 2-1/2 years and the repairs it did need were actually pretty reasonable. I think well run bhph lots have their place. If I ever started my own business, that's what I would run.

[@wiiwille]

You have my respect ray. I work on my owen stuff all my life. I pulled 7 years in a crappy shop for crappy people. Iv never been as happy as the day i quit and went back into furniture.

[@boozydaboozer]

That was actually very informational. Never knew tire pressure sensors worked that way. Also, love the snarky 'it bores me too' from your colleague.

[@donnasmyle5012]

Neither did I untill I bought my 2012 Rogue

[@BOTmaster15]

Also fun fact. If you dont like paying for oem tpms sensor look for same FCCId number and freq on sensor(everything is written on the sensor body). It should work 99% of time with your car.

[@TrojanLube69]

@@BOTmaster15 yeah just like the maxis in the video, but many aftermarket require their branding scanning tool and programmer as shown in the video, an extra 300+ dollars. Is worth paying a shop to do it on these jobs. It’s once in 6-8 years.

[@shiroikin]

Same

[@nottelling4828]

@@BOTmaster15 I have a better idea. Just tell the customer to buy a tire gauge and problem solved. Even those cheap pencil gauges would provide enough info to determine whether your tire needs air or not.

[@topcat5777]

That's what happens when you buy a used car without taking it to your mechanic to give it a thorough inspection off and on the rack...buyer beware, meaning: if you intend to buy property, you generally bear the responsibility for finding out about the property's condition before purchasing it!

[@ch0wned]

It's called an implied warranty of merchantability. Presuming the individual was intending on buying an automobile suitable for use on public roads: this would imply it will pass inspection at time of purchase. Given the presented evidence, this customer would have a very strong fraud case on there hands given color matched spray-paint doesn't just apply itself to unsound welds. This would likely be elevated to criminal fraud unless the vehicle was beneath a certain cost threshold, after which implied merchantability becomes far less protective. This is not such an instance however, given the overtly malicious evidence seen on video. I'd return the vehicle and raise several tort suites. People that pull this crap need to be taken down, Hard.

[@danasmith1899]

With the price of cars there's more and more pieces of junk being kept on the market

[@Hoggdoc1946]

I agree, but the problem with that is if you were on a tight budget who has a couple hundred dollars to pay to a mechanic to go over the car. And unless you have personal experience with the mechanic, how do you know they're being honest with you

[@georgesharman9891]

That was still a good video Ray. I was more interested in the state of the car . I think they will have more things to worry about than tire sensors. They should get it inspected and take the dealer to court.

[@bikeman1x11]

if as is no recourse- buyer has a duty to inspect

[@almsco]

Sold "as is" is ok if the faults can be seen or the buyer is told about them. But that is fraud and the dealer should be sued.

[@eaglerider1826]

@@almsco exactly , especially if there is frame damage that was covered up .

[@frankbiz]

@@almsco I hope Ray said something to them, that rust was real bad, car dealerships that cover up things like that sickens me. The fact that they sell a car with missing lug nuts is nuts.

[@myopinion69420]

@@frankbiz it always strikes me as odd seeing all these 'newer' vehicles with so much rust. I guess that's just because rust is not a huge issue here, you only really see it on 30+ year old cars and then it is usually in panels, not frame rails. generally you just don't look for rust here unless its a 4x4 or an older car.

[@Mr.NiceGuy80]

Yep. Loving these rip off videos. You're doing a great service for people who want to know what to look for in a used car.

[@MonitorMonarch]

Buddy's DIY. Has like a 4 video series on everything to look for in a used car pre purchase. And ALWAYS ask to take the car to a mechanic you trust. You might have to pay $50 to have it looked at, but $50 to save potentially thousands is worth it in my book. And any dealership that says no is selling a shady vehicle

[@MonitorMonarch]

Example i recently bought a dodge avenger r/t 08 and it had a ton off issues to fix up(didnt know about them when i bought as nothing came up on obd...Replaced the solenoid body, alternator, window actuator and front passenger headlight, rocker work and fuel door in the first 2 months). But the frame is in superb shape for Pennsylvania. Has mild surface rust but thats about it

[@wheeliebad11B]

@@MonitorMonarch make sure you check the oil in thoes weekly, they burn it and also develop small leaks quickly. I have made a considerable living off replacing blown 5.7 motors, all of them lack of oil.

[@keithnorman3519]

It was very interesting to see how tyre sensors work, I had been curious about it for some time, thanks Ray.

[@clarrnceclark9482]

10 4 the same here

[@DGardhouse]

Tyre??? Typo?

[@timesup6302]

@@DGardhouse He might be from the UK.....

[@robertpittsley5886]

Ive done many rust repairs on Ford Escape's - this is in fine Massachusetts condition.

[@fjg1956]

I truly hoped you informed the customer about the severe rust condition. A safety issue where "not my problem" doesn't fly.

[@williameldridge9382]

And there isn't a single law stopping them from being on the road. :-)

[@budgie98]

@@williameldridge9382 Wow! Here in the UK it is a serious offense to use a vehicle of any class or type, in that condition, on the road.

[@nicholasr7987]

There are only a few states where it is illegal under certain conditions. Up in NY it is common to see vehicles multiple times worse.

[@LetsWorkBmws]

@@nicholasr7987 but honest mechanics will fail your inspection till its fix . Unfortunately, some people will go to other places that will run it

[@nicholasr7987]

@@LetsWorkBmws yes sir...spray foam, foil tape, and undercoating. Seen it countless times.

[@ericschmidtberger5568]

I live in the Midwest and can say that a car never leaves with as much metal as it came in with. I’m not saying we steal parts, I’m saying after a car comes off the lift I usually end up sweeping up a huge pile of rust. Your videos are awesome btw I’m in the process of getting my degree to become an auto technician and seeing someone going through diagnosing and repairing in a shop as well as giving information is really helpful.

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

I'm in Wisconsin and my car can't even be jacked up on the rear pinch welds anymore. I usually have to jack under the rear differential or something. I hate salt so much.

[@annferguson3113]

But isn’t Ray based in Florida? No snow or yearly freeze there. That buyer’s car came a long way to get to her.

[@michaelgudde9385]

I wouldn't say you screwed up, the video was still informative and enjoyable! I learned some things that I need to add to my list of things to look for next time I buy a car 🚗. So thank you for any and all content you share!

[@terrywebb8636]

Hi Ray, 2yrs later i think i remember this video, great job, the car was ready for the scrap yard.

[@douglascampbell9809]

Still a great video. You taught me a hell of a lot about current shifty used car lot practices.

[@SgtGrave]

No no, it's okay, this is exactly how vehicles not taken care of look like in canada.

[@garfieldsmith332]

They still look a lot better than some for the eastern coast of the USA. A lot of those ones are totally rotted out.

[@2148aa]

But in Canada. 84 month, weekly payments on the vehicle.

[@garfieldsmith332]

@@2148aa Yep. And some are interest free. However only the real good brands will last as long as the term.

[@fhuber7507]

@@garfieldsmith332 "interest free" means they rolled the interest as a "front load" fee or just included it in the sticker price.

[@garfieldsmith332]

@@fhuber7507 There is no front load fee. The manufacturer/importer actually pays the interest to the financial institution. The sticker price is the same. However you can not get as good a discount if you option for the interest free loan. And also you would not get some manufacturer rebates as well. I have seen where they advertise the "all in" with the interest free or cash price options. Here all in pricing includes everything but the taxes. So basically it works out the same. Of course if you have a good investment account and are money savvy you could work out what is better over the 84 months. Take the "free" loan and invest the money to make more than you would pay out. Of course you would need to allows for taxes on the income. Most people see "Interest free: and scoop it up right away.

[@scottlymbery7948]

Man I love working on old cars. But it never ceases to amaze me the amount of knowledge a mechanic needs to work on modern vehicles. Really gives meaning of the word "technician". Thanks for the video. My learning point for the day was the tyre sensors. As for the customer being ripped off with a rusty wreck, sadly that's a global phenomena that happens here in Australia as well.

[@pliedtka]

I thought you have no rust in Australia - no winter and salty roads like in Canada or northern US. Unless it's the ocean salt. I always to recommend rust people proof their cars, I mean real rustproofing, with plastic panels off - I have seen some 20+yr olds that look better than some unprotected 10yr old cars.

[@scottlymbery7948]

@@pliedtka Don't know why you would think we don't get rust in Australia. Surely it would be the same as some of your Southern states that don't get snow. Yeah the salt is a killer but water sitting in joints does the same thing anywhere. Rubbers dry out water gets in and sits. Just dew on the car every morning ages them. In addition let's not mention dealers who flog cars that have been underwater in floods. Rust proofing is great but the single biggest thing I think you can do to make your car last (both mine are 46 years old not perfect but reasonable) is just park it under cover every night and if it does get wet dry it out properly.

[@D45VR]

@@scottlymbery7948 I might bet that you have an old Land Cruiser ... I have an '89 FJ62...

[@scottlymbery7948]

@@D45VR Nah, got a 76' Kombi (VW T2 Bus I think they get referred to over there) and a 76' Holden (GM) Bedford CF

[@speteydog2260]

Lol

[@AB-ot3bc]

You are doing a great disservice to that customer by not providing them with the bad news about their car.

[@BillTiemann]

No problem with how the video ended. I enjoy watching you diagnose and fix a problem. I used to do all my own work on my vehicles but they've become way too complicated with all the electronics now so I leave the repairs to the pros. I can remember the days when if you were working in the engine bay of a car and dropped a tool it would just fall to the garage floor. Now there's so much stuff under the hood that if you drop a socket you may never find it again.

[@Onewheelordeal]

Lots of little openings in captive unibody frame rails for bits to fall in and never come back out too

[@Hawk013]

That's why they sell bulk packs of 10mm sockets...

[@OleGeezerCirca1941]

😁👌I also used to do all my own work on my car but they've become so complicated I just take it into a qualified independent shop. Bring back my all time favorite, 1931 Ford Model A, Will the same proportion of today's cars be on the road in 90 years as the Model A is today? I doubt it.

[@ChrisHolt1]

On the flip side, electronics / computer repair technicians like me are getting better and better at fixing our cars. 😂

[@OleGeezerCirca1941]

@@ChrisHolt1 Back in the day working on a V-8 Flat head I could set spark plug gaps with a thin dime and distributer points with a paper match. The matches were usually free and I still had the dime when done. And there you are with your $5,000 analyzer and $10,000 worth of specialized tools. 😁

[@petergarofolo9385]

That rust rot is called FLAVOR by another u-tube mechanic. Great video Ray as always. 👍👍

[@Sooka_Phatwon]

Say no more!

[@errorabortretry3694]

lol... Flavor... Character...

[@Always_Never]

@@Sooka_Phatwon diggity 😆

[@repnatl]

Let's take it up top. Self lubricating chassis. Oh look Shrek piss.

[@Kevin_Rhodes]

"patina"

[@AaronsSmallEngineShop]

Don’t get discouraged about messing up the end of the video. Glad you showed it people need to see what they could get at those buy here pay here lots they need to be aware of what they’re buying and have them inspected before they sign the papers.

[@Mandren]

Seeing what they did to make that car look good for the lot was really interesting. Thank you for the insight. Unfortunate that they do that to people.

[@richwielechowski5191]

Congrats on 200,000 subscribers! A tire pressure gauge in the glovebox is a whole lot cheaper than fixing all four sensors.

[@mayorwrenchmcgnome]

Here they have to work because they are considered a safety device and you will get dinged on your yearly inspection if they don't.

[@Nakaamaa]

The light is flashing bc there is no communication between the car and TPMS. A pressure gauge won’t calibrate the sensors lol

[@franciscodanconia45]

Agreed. TPMS are just more complicated unnecessary trinkets that increase the retail price of cars, and are supported by laws that require them to be maintained. A good Slime tire gauge, common sense, and knowledge are way more useful. Your tires are part of the suspension, braking system, drive train, and safety system of your car so it is critical to be constantly aware of their condition, and not just wait for an idiot light. I feel sorry for people who are required to repair such useless things.

[@mayorwrenchmcgnome]

@@franciscodanconia45 But you said 2 words are that's the problem, common sense. nobody has it any more,

[@Chief1063]

In some cars, even with correct tire pressure, if the sensors don't work it affects other features like traction control. They leave you little choice but to fix them.

[@christianjordan3046]

Love these scam videos. Have to expose all the messed up stuff these dealers do. Scamming families just trying to get a reliable car. I've got scammed a few times and learned the lesson the hard way! Hopefully these videos can save a few people from the same. KEEP IT UP!

[@Enonymouse_]

Sadly with covid these types of cars are getting passed off to customers with varying degrees of mechanical fail because the dealerships selling used stock don't view some things as worth the shop time to fix.

[@TC-dw6wg]

Why Covid? They’ve been doing this way before Covid.

[@martclark2128]

I subscribed .although I enjoyed your video,slamming all buy here pay here lots as crooked isn't exactly true.I can borrow from most any lender,I do that when I'm buying a new car. I've bought several as in 25 plus cars from a local car lot that will finance some. His interest rate is higher but the quality of his cars have been above average over 26 years. Car dealers in general can be a bit shady,not all.Maybe my guy is the exception cause I've never dealt with other BHPH lots.Anyway,interesting style you have. I'll watch more. Good luck on your 200000 goal.

[@bryon3464]

Read my comment. This guy that posted the video is also a scammer

[@williamsheppard8828]

I've bought many cars from buy here pay here never had a problem until I moved to Florida . Bought 3 from a buy here pay here 2 were fixed up junk the third was good . I got my money back on the 2 junks

[@jimmccormick6091]

I am watching this several years after you filmed it. I am SO glad for you that you don't work for these schmucks anymore. They are not much better than buy here pay here lots. I am sure there are good people working there, but, they are beholding to corporate, where the mantra "screw the customer" is standard....

[@1brokemofo2023]

pretty awesome to see a service tech with a conscience......especially in these times of most people tryin to screw over as many as they can just to make a quick buck. you got love here in texas bro

[@YouNameItGaming]

Hey Ray, it's a bummer the go pro died, but it happens man. Great video as always, keep up the good work, and good luck with the 200K 👍 Edit: the current count is 202K, you've done it! Congratulations!

[@gwoody4003]

I was looking at a used jeep and it looked pretty good. Then I stuck my thumb right through the layers of paint hiding the rotten frame. And a look at the inside edge of the frame revealed some really poorly done patches that were ground down and slathered in paint to hide them. Always check the frame. Especially if you live somewhere they salt the roads in winter.

[@ItsAlive111]

Good choice posting the video. I was not aware of the rattle can rust repairs of “buy here pay here” establishments! Up until the caliper rattle can paint job, I was like: “This isn’t too bad”

[@supra1jzed]

When it comes to small car lots, inspect EVERYTHING.

[@cbrocetti6916]

The tie rod at the end of the steering rack appeared bent when you removed that first tire!

[@tacocin]

Yes ... hence the crooked steering wheel position.

[@throttlebottle5906]

that was the last purchaser, went curb jumping and wrecked it before being repo for non-payment. the snake oil lot probably put new tires on and put it back for sale. very typical of those lots and their wonderful clients. 🤣🤣

[@MidKid61]

@@throttlebottle5906 and put on cheap Chinese made tires to boot "Sailun"??

[@davidkozina8856]

First time poster long time viewer. Great job Ray . My son was looking at a truck in the local buy here joint ,went over and told him it would be good if it hadn't been in a flood. Water marks half way up the windows on the inside and the smell you know "gross" . Congrats on your viewership

[@josephaniemarcesens9292]

Just seeing this. Went to channel to see number of subscribers. Over 400k. Hope you get 500k. Congrats 👏!

[@robjmorse]

In the UK this car would not be on the road, if it did turn up at any honest garage/workshop they would not want to do any repairs to it. That said it is possibly different in other countries, a great video keep them coming.

[@ryangross5446]

I live in the US but honestly I would have informed this lady that this car is essentially unsafe to drive or borderline unsafe depending on who you ask. and i would certainly show her the underside of the car myself, have her take pictures, and just be aware of what she actually bought

[@unclegreybeard3969]

Also In the UK the Trading Standards Institute rules gives buyers time to reject a car from a motor trader and ask for a full refund (usually 30 days). Buyers can also choose to have a vehicle repaired or replaced if they are unhappy with it.

[@moonpresence9707]

I highly doubt the entirety of the UK doesn't have shady car dealers lmao

[@kalten001]

Yeah I don’t think legally a car in such poor shape would be legal to even sell here in the UK. There’s no way it would pass an MOT test. It looks to be a death trap freshly painted with black paint to cover up the rotten bodywork.

[@johniksushibar165]

agreed, i used to run a garage and we quite often got cars in with a NEW MOT and holes all over the floor,advise them to contact trading standards, ministry of transport re dodgy MOT,s, no idea how they get away with it as we would get random visits from the man in a suit , we played it straight down the line.

[@wayneneva1]

I've never seen spray painting on the undercarriage. I always assume a seller is NOT going to be thoroughly open with me on the condition of their car/ truck sale. But painting is tops of the list for trying to hide something.

[@Jason-cw7wx]

Buy here pay here places will literally do ANYTHING to make that car look good and run good until you drive it off the lot. It doesn't matter if it blows up and catches fire if your a mile up the road. Once you sign that paper you're screwed. They know if you refuse to pay for a pos you signed for, they can just take you to court and have your wages garnished. There is a local pos that makes 90% of his money from wage garnished paychecks from people with no money that are just trying to buy a vehicle to better their lives. The people who take advantage of poor familys should be set of fire.

[@mikej238]

not really, I have a 17 year old car that I painted some surface rust underneath to protect it. It's not hard to tell a little surface rust from a rusted out frame or a unibody. But southerners freak out at the sight of an orange spot 😂

[@justinprohm]

​@@mikej238a friend showed me the underneath of his 98 Lexus and I said that's literally how a 2022 truck in Michigan looks 😂. Spray painting frame w paint or rubberized undercoating isn't good long term, good things to do are either on budget put used motor oil underneath and coat it, or buy some fluid film they sell it clear or black and that'll keep moisture from getting to the rust and not trapping it

[@pantherplatform]

I can't believe you put europaste on the valve stem. I got laughed out of the dealership for using tire lube on tires, torque wrench on lug nuts, toilet paper on my @** and driving a car to work instead of riding a DUI bike.

[@Ramen10420]

The only time I use a torque wrench on lugs is if a customer is watching or I'm doing a re-torque or flat repair in the parking lot, otherwise using a torque stick rated at 20% over the specified torque is good enough. (I try to save time where I can.) Thousands of vehicles and not one comeback for a wheel falling off. But yeah, no paste makes waste... How could someone not use mounting paste and keep from tearing the rubber around the bead or breaking/tearing a tpm stem? Regular valve stems (like 413's etc.) don't need lube unless they have been sitting around for a long time... and that would have to be a REALLY long time.

[@edmc1000]

Subaru dealer failed to properly install a new tire pressure sensor on my outback and it was leaking around the stem within a month. Piss poor training somewhere !

[@kevinfox5181]

I do really appreciate your videos because my grandson is learning about cars and it seems to be the best ones we seen. Thank you!

[@dustcommander100]

Good video, Ray. I had totally forgotten the full day it seemed I spent replacing the sensors in my wife's car. Not that I wanted to remember the day - but that I persevered and CONQUERED the problem. And I used the same brand of sensors you did! A particular cause of consternation was that my reader actually kept picking up the signal from the strongest of the 4 old sensors, and since that car (2007 Camry) did not indicate individual tire pressures - I ended up programming all 4 new sensors with a single ID number. I just didn't know how a system without pressure indications functioned. Thankfully, after a call to support, I was told that I had to deflate the tires to reprogram the sensors - and I used the numbers from the original sensors. Interestingly enough, I found the reader I had (laptop interface type) could read a good sensor from several feet away. Even across the back yard! I had to destroy the old sensors to prevent the car from reading the ones still functioning and giving an alarm when the wife drove back in the garage. I thought "here we go again - another problem!", but finally figured that out, too.

[@TeezerDriz]

That's good advice to destroy the old sensors. I bet many people have been confused by reoccuring error code every time they park in the garage. Good info to know. 👍

[@dublindave5795]

Wrap the old sensors in aluminum foil should defeat the RF transmission. And why would you keep the old ones?

[@dustcommander100]

Sad to say, but I was slow cleaning up.....

[@PWL1371]

Congratulations on 200k subs. Think your video proves the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ". If they had spent a few dollars having it checked out before buying it, they could have saved way more walking away from that ride. Wish we had a shop as trustworthy as yours!

[@JustAnotherDronePilot]

It's okay Ray, stuff happens. Only thing you can do is just keep doin what you do.

[@AveGuy1]

Wow brings back memories, i used to be poor like this 20 years ago. Went to college got a corporate job now I'm good. But brings back memories. I know the feeling.

[@cstjackal]

Despite your misgivings and the lack of the end, that was interesting. Amazed to see the lengths which some dealers will go to in order to conceal faults. Also learned more about TPS sensors into the bargain.

[@davidhouston5783]

TPS sensors another big joke by the car makers.

[@burnrouthier4816]

"This thing probably came from canada" then proceeds to apologize immediately.. nah man as a Canadian you're definitely right 😂

[@timhartherz5652]

For canadian car owners the US seems what africa is foer european car owners, a place which hapily takes over yor rusted out junk which is no longer economical viable to fix given labour costs.

[@STho205]

He was apologizing for pronouncing Canada in a comical way....not for saying it came from Canada (just as likely Buffalo, Detroit or MT)... Ca Nada is great. I'd never mock it....oh sorry guys.

[@CannonFodder873]

He apologized...that makes him an "honorary" Canadian.🤣

[@frandanco6289]

Sorry mate, he was just being a hoser...... :)

[@frankbiz]

Not upset in the video I'm upset in the trashy car dealership pos. Video was fine, I learned something. Hopefully you will reach the 200k goal soon! 👍🏻

[@wylde007]

I bought a truck from a BHPH lot once because I was in a bind and desperate. Right about the time the "warranty" expired the brakes locked up. Apparently there was water in them. The chassis was rusting in numerous places. Turns out the BHPH had bought the truck at auction where it had been previously stored - on a lot that was right in the path of Hurricane Sandy. Yep. failed to disclose that little tidbit.

[@HugoDahl]

You're correct Ray. This was a cool video, and really enjoyed the different angles and cool seeing the TPMS process. One problem with the subscribe button - if I happen to click it, it would unsubscribe me, which I really would rather not do!

[@antibrevity]

"Do not buy cars from buy-here-pay-here lots." Words to live by.

[@danieljm1234]

What is buy here pay here?

[@xmttrman]

@@danieljm1234 The car lot holds the paper ( note).

[@Stevo-xe9jw]

@@danieljm1234 A place that approves everybody, regardless of your credit. And it usually means the the car is being sold for twice what it's worth and you get to pay 20-30% interest rate on top of it. I know of a dealership that backs their customers into a corner with a vehicle payment of $800+, and the customer is so far upside down on the vehicle that when it breaks, they have no money to fix it. Then repo man comes.

[@channell11]

In order for the business model to work, most of the cars aren't real good. The dealer picks them up cheap at the auction. The buy-here-pay-here clientele is often not great about paying bills, so the dealer attempts to recoup most of his outlay with the down payment. The when the customer stops paying or the car breaks down (which usually means payments stop) it gets repossessed and sold again.

[@spyder000069]

A female relative asked me to come with to look at a car she really wanted. Turned out to be at one of these style lots. The car was was overpriced by about 2 grand. I told her the vehicle wasn't worth it but she still wanted me to talk to the salesman who was also the owner of the lot. So I started a conversation with the salesman about the price and he said they don't negotiate. I apologized and told him I thought we were at a car dealership. He said no we don't really sell cars here. We sell loans and a car happens to come with it. Plain as day.

[@GizmosWorkshop]

Seeing videos like this makes me happy to live in Norway, where companies can't hide behinde "as is" and are responsible for products sold are in the presented condition :D

[@lowdermilk89]

Not all states are like this. Some require a warranty and additional consumer protections over what the UCC require. Unfortunately, many are and it’s not right. I got screwed on a Subaru transmission once and it absolutely sucked.

[@GizmosWorkshop]

@@lowdermilk89 Norway apparently has the strictest consumer protection laws in the world. (When buying from professionals, not private) For instance, even when buying used, the shop is required to give you a 5 year warranty, if the item, or parts of it, is expected to last more than 2 years. Exceptions of course for parts that are meant for wear and tear etc.

[@macsloan58]

That’s Abe k of a thunderhead cloud toward the end of the video. Beautiful

[@dave3657]

You can buy good cars from the “buy here - pay here lots” IF you know what to look for, or have the vehicle checked out by an independent you trust. I bought a good vehicle off one of these lots by agreeing to not take the 50/50 vehicle repair coverage, plus let me get it inspected first. BUT there were many vehicles that I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot extension. 🚗

[@arizonapapa9453]

I simply don't borrow money. Many people are driving a vehicle that owns THEM! When I was in sudden need of a vehicle, and I hadn't been preparing for it's replacement, I scraped together enough money to buy a hoopty. It wasn't pretty, but it got me to, and often back home from work. I drove that while I would scrimp, and saved enough for something better. You can generally sell your hoopty for what you paid, then you take that stack of cash, and start looking for a better vehicle. If you do this properly, you will generally get into a dependable vehicle that you enjoy in three or four steps.

[@GrumpyIan]

@@arizonapapa9453 and depending on what kind of car it can go up in value a bit.

[@arizonapapa9453]

@@GrumpyIan unless you have a heavy down payment, the minute you sign the contract at a buy here, pay here lot, the vehicle isn't worth what you owe on it. Let alone if you roll negative equity into the deal. It's the next step up from a title loan. Sleazy business practices abound. You're ALWAYS better off buying yourself a hoopty to drive until you can afford something better!

[@fraidykat]

@@arizonapapa9453 I took the loan for the truck and it was a super good deal for both me AND the Dealership. Played the junker car game, you never come out even.

[@arizonapapa9453]

@@fraidykat while I believe it was probably a super good deal for the dealership, I know for a fact that I ALWAYS do better with cash offers to a private party. I would never suggest buying OR driving a "junker," but many people sell mechanically sound vehicles, that are lacking in the looks department. I think it's wise to drive something like that, while you save up the money to pay cash for something you really like. You would be surprised by the vehicle you can drive away in when you offer a private party $10,000 cash. While they may have been hoping for more like $15-$17, a cash money offer, will often sway a seller. Dealers will ALWAYS want to know upfront if you're trading in a vehicle, that way they can pretend to give you money for a vehicle that they're likely selling at an auction. In all likelihood, they simply inflated the price of the vehicle you purchased, to make it appear they gave you a great price for your trade in, when in reality they would've given you a better price w/o the trade in, and they likely got double that money between "doc fees" (money they charge you for doing the loan documents), and the extended warranty they always push on you.

[@Laggy200ms]

I watched some person at the gas station put air in their tire until it exploded. I went out to see if he was ok. Luckily no injuries. Another person asked why he put in so much air and he said the light on the dashboard said it was still low. That just goes to show that you can't always rely on the technology. Like some other comments on here, just use a 3 dollar air gage and common sense.

[@williameldridge9382]

Gas station air hoses have built in air pressure gauges 90% of the time. This has nothing to do with relying on technology, this is a failure of the user not understanding how their vehicle works and not doing proper maintenance on their vehicle. If you don't know there's a maximum tire pressure on your tires, you shouldn't be driving a vehicle.

[@Laggy200ms]

I agree with what you said here, but the guy said he went off what the car said. To me that is relying on the technology. Wouldn't you say? Just like what my old shop teacher said, "Some people just don't have common sense, book smart or not.".

[@Ramen10420]

Yes, user error, many vehicles need to be driven (GM in particular has to be driven for 15 minutes above 55 mph) before the tpms will recognize the pressure. Some manufacturers (newer Nissans) have installed a failsafe into their bcm that honks the horn when you reach the optimal tire pressure if the vehicle is on as you inflate the tires (I still would manually check as I get near that point, though).

[@dand3975]

I was riding with a friend in a VW car ant the low tire sensor came on. He went into panic mode, I told him to stop I got out and looked at 4 tires they looked fine as far as tire pressure. Turned out the system needed to be reset, all was fine. Still a good practice to use a tire pressure gauge once and a while and check tire pressures.

[@vw5056]

@@williameldridge9382 the newest ones are set up that you set the psi you want then attach the hose to the tire valve and it will beep when done.

[@bostedtap8399]

Congratulations on 200K 👊😃😀👍. That is one polished turd, disgusting that it has been sold with potentially dangerous defects. No problem with missing bits, you're a mechanic first. Stay safe all.

[@ozzierabbit587]

All dealers care about is what the body looks like.

[@veeot_dragon300]

i had the same thing happen to me when i purchased a 2011 F-150 from a used car lot. (mind you so far it is still a decent deal even with the $150 it cost to replace the sensors) turns out the truck had bald tires when the lot got it and they just pulled the tires and rims off another F-150. thing is they didn't have any sensors in them at all. so far that is the only issue. it also had the same issue of being one Lug short (that pissed me off more because they were after market and to get a matching one i had to buy a 4 pack) no rattle can repairs thankfully i always recommend taking a vehicle to a shop for an inspection before buying. many shops give cheap or even free per-purchase inspections.

[@Callipygous1975]

For those who don't know, the state of Florida has no requirement for yearly vehicle inspection or emissions testing.

[@googiegress]

Well there's your problem.

[@BateMasterJeff9887]

They don’t call them Stealerships for nothing

[@RJon2006]

“Liberally…not my favorite word.” Mine either. I love the subtleness.

[@sc00b3rt]

I bought my car from a buy here pay here lot. I also had it checked before buying it. Perfect condition. Best car ever. Just have to pay for a good inspection.

[@fhuber7507]

Scamming dealer put on wheels without changing the sensors... They saved $150 to $250 a tire by not putting in new sensors. Never buy from a buy here - pay here. The price is inflated to the down payment being the full value of the car, then you have 2 years to pay it off. These rip-off lots sell the rejects from the car auctions.

[@MazichMusic]

The tires look off-brand, too. I once looked at a minivan at the used lot of the new dealer I deal with. A rental fleet unit. Rear tires matched and were a good brand, but the fronts didn't match the rear or each other. I told the dealer I wouldn't consider the vehicle unless it had 4 new matching quality tires. They refused. I walked.

[@stevenkroot31]

Set of 4 TPMS sensors for an Escape are

[@joerowland7350]

That Wright rejected car's to dead beats that don't pay thare Bill's So thay have pay more n get junk Sounds fare to me N that's why there's GPS kill swich On them😁

[@Bbbuddy]

Cheap Chinese tires, too.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

What can one expect with a 2009 Ford Escape, which is a hefty 13 years old? Any car over 10 years old will have significant mechanical and/or electrical issues. If a consumer wants a car with no issues, always buy brand new.

[@79tazman]

Man I would call the owner and tell her that she needs to get her money back. Here in Canada that car would not pass a safety check like that . No wonder why they painted everything to hide all the frame rot on that POS

[@AdamIsUrqed]

Most of the US doesn't work like that. If Florida is like the state I live in, the owner's only recourse would be arbitration in which he/she would have to prove the dealership knowingly defrauded her while the dealership would just have to state "we didn't know". Plus, he/she would have to pay to get the vehicle thoroughly structurally tested and the vehicle gone through with a fine toothed comb. Most people who go to buy here/pay here lots can't afford all that. Even if all that could be afforded, if he/she lost, the legal costs for both parties would have to be paid by the customer. There is a price that has to be paid for keeping the government out as much as possible.

[@volvo09]

I learned the lesson when I was 16... Sold my beat up 85 Volvo and traded it for an 85 that was in pristine shape.... But it was rusty as FUKK. Holes on the floor, only the carpets kept your foot from falling through the floor. Then I became a car guy and started to learn.

[@nissan300ztt]

Florida doesnt have safety inspections.

[@volvo09]

@@nissan300ztt correct The south makes a great dumping ground for rusty northern cars. The paint and interiors aren't sun baked, so they appear real nice, but if you don't get underneath you can find yourself in trouble.

[@nissan300ztt]

@@volvo09 I get it. But you also have lots of Northern people moving to Florida . thus also bringing tons of craptacular cars with them

[@jeffp6615]

I work at one of the largest auto auctions, I see vehicles like this often from small dealerships. They get very irritated because I catch and flag things like this. For the Canadian comment look on the door sticker for the maple leaf. Made in Canada is not the same as a Canadian Vehicle. Those sensors that were installed are GM style sensors.

[@Broseph529]

Lol I am from Cana-Dur and I can verify the body rot is real my friends.. lol Thanks for the shout out Ray! 👍

[@andrewmtarbell]

I watch you every morning (work from home) and even though I don't have the volume that loud, apparently the phone ringing in your shop carries in our house. My wife getting ready had no idea what it was and mocked it in the same way you do hahaha

[@itshugh6750]

Pick up the phooooone lol

[@brucegover2548]

I'm not going to lie, my favorite part is the phone mimic (and the "click")

[@samuelbeach5585]

Best advice by far..."Don't buy a vehicle from a buy here pay here lot." I know some have no choice, but this is what you get. As for the pre purchase inspection, well sure...but at around 100 bucks a pop, you could spend some serious dough before finding a vehicle decent enough to buy, if you have to go the BHPH route. Most of what those lots have are pigs with lipstick on.

[@ronnie3044]

Thats basically any used car lot. BHPH arent any worse than most used car dealerships in terms of the quality of cars. They are just much more expensive in the long run. They all get their stock from the same auctions. And they will pull the same thing to customers because legally they can. Lemon laws dont apply to used cars so once someone has bought the car its theirs. When I was 20 me and some friends spent all summer going to car auctions for local dealers (and im not just talking about randomly owned ones. But actual kia, subaru, gm, etc dealerships that sold alot of used cars). Ive legit seen dealerships take the most busted cars and repair them just enough to get the sale.

[@googiegress]

Spending $100 to save you from buying a hooptie that'll break down soon, and you'll spend more than that on any repair or lose more than that in selling it as-is with the problem.

[@SportFury1966]

"Liberally" not a favorite word. I assume along with concepts stemming from that horror: Workers' Rights and Safety, the Forty Hour Work Week . Affordable Health Care (when not blocked by the Right), Equal Protection Under The Law, Free and Fair elections, and forcing the One Percent to pay their FAIR SHARE to sustain a modern, functioning society than has made them filthy rich. Oh, what a nightmare.

[@Alex-px2mb]

I have a '10 Escape Hybrid Limited with 80k miles on it but my rust situation is nowhere near that bad. The car in the video was hit with a ton of road salt and the undercarriage wasn't washed or kept clean. I really enjoy my car and it gets a reliable 31-32 MPG in mixed use highway/city driving. The big key with these is an owner who cares about doing the maintenance and cleaning more than just the outside. The P017F error (IIRC) is a problem. What goes on these cars is the high voltage battery pack. Heat kills them. If the A/C isn't working properly they don't last because the A/C provides the thermal management for the battery. It has fans to blow air through it but the cold air is supplied by: you guessed it - the A/C. It's sad because that's a nice example of the car itself - it's clean. But that body/frame rust is deadly. There are a lot of "flippers" trying to take messed up, rusted examples of these cars and foist them on unsuspecting people who are looking to save gas and think they're going to get a bargain. It's a shame because the "good ones" of these vehicles are excellent. I've put 24,000 miles on mine in the past 18 months with zero problems. And yeah, I don't really appreciate the "Es-cap-e" pronunciation, like there's something effeminate about the vehicle. It's not an off-road mud machine, it was always meant to be a suburban SUV that got better mileage than the gas version, which it does, by about 40%.

[@firstlast---]

Are you a marshmallow? 😂

[@Alex-px2mb]

@@firstlast---I'm a smore.

[@Brimmlinn]

I always wondered how the TPMS worked and never would have guessed it was a wireless radio system. Pretty interesting.

[@uzaiyaro]

Yeah, it can also be why TPMS codes can be so common; because one of the batteries is flat. I think they generally replace the sensors with new tyres and whatnot, but I’m not totally sure. My car doesn’t have them, although I kinda wish it did. It can be good to know tyre pressure and temperature for those systems that have it. I would imagine they all have temperature sensing, it’s just not exposed to the driver, generally.

[@ls_812]

There's also some cars that do it by reading the speed of each wheel.

[@Wallyworld30]

Buying from a Buy Here/Pay Here is never a good option but it's the only option unfortunately for a lot of people. However, if I had a friend that was in a situation like that I'd at least tell them Don't buy a Hybrid or Electric car from that type of lot you will get FULLY SCREWED!!!

[@simonworthington3330]

Loving your videos and enjoying them showing the ups and downs of pitfalls in this game.

[@psychastria]

It's still valuable in posting the video because it informs people of some of the ways used car dealers will hide problems in a car in order to make people think they're buying something really good but in reality the car is a piece of shit. My first car was a Dodge Shadow that I bought from an actual Dodge dealer off their used car lot. The salesman said it used to be his car and was a really good car. I didn't know anything about cars and neither did my parents who were there with me. Years later I found out the back bumper was actually a 2x6 board held on with wooden blocks, rigged up just good enough to support the bumper fascia, because apparently the rear end had been destroyed in a collision.

[@mr.christopher8173]

Big time structural damage! Dang! Those Escapes rust out like crazy on the wheel housings, unirails, and rockers. Same goes for Equinoxs and Terrains, although those are more inner and outer rockers than unirails and wheel housings. I’ve seen multiple Escapes rusted out so bad the rear struts weren’t even attached to the body anymore. The things you see working at an auto auction 😂

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

What can one expect with a 2009 Ford Escape, which is a hefty 13 years old? Any car over 10 years old will have significant mechanical and/or electrical issues. If a consumer wants a car with no issues, always buy brand new.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b had a 2008 Tacoma I bought off my dad, it had the frame replacement done while he owned it. The only thing I had to have done was the exhaust which was the OEM exhaust. And I had to replace an 02 sensor and the rear shocks along with those I did the brakes when I got it a few years back and the e brake cable. Honestly it was maybe 700 or 800 bucks worth of parts so really not too bad as old as the truck was

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@matthewcaughey8898 Buying a car from your parents is quite different from buying from a stranger, as there is far more certainty with the vehicle’s history and condition. Or perhaps not buying the car, as you are not satisfied with how they keep their cars. This situation is fundamentally different than an ordinary used car sale as you have all this privileged information. But, either way, buying a 14 year old car is never ideal. Time and mileage will eventually waste all cars. Fourteen years is a very long time. Those with a good credit score, or have the cash, almost never buy these old cars as in so many ways, the proposition is just not worth it.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b they do if they’re buying trucks

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@matthewcaughey8898 Who are "they"?

[@gosmo4504]

I had no idea that's how tire sensors worked. Unfortunate for the car owner that's how we had to learn but great work as always

[@aeroman5239]

Let me get this straight - 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid, 53,173 miles, with all that frame rot? Yeah right, I'm calling BS on that mileage being "actual". Looks like a definite roll-back...

[@goldiehatman9883]

12 year old vehicle that's been in flooded streets or parking lots from Florida hurricanes during all those years. Salt water flooding from ocean storms can eat steel pretty fast.

[@williameldridge9382]

If it came from the Northern part of the U.S. that is ENTIRELY believable if the previous owner did nothing to maintain it.

[@harriettedaisy2233]

New York car. Former owner retired to Florida.

[@BeaversAreInsane]

Looks like several reasons to have gotten a pre-sale inspection done by our man Ray.

[@edwardsr70]

The first and second gen escapes are well known for wheel well rot right around the suspension. Most body shops wont even touch it and insurance totals. Looks like they tried to mitigate the rot by using undercoating paint.

[@ZerotheWanderer]

They didn't mitigate shit, they just painted it so it wouldn't look rusty.

[@i80386sx]

They tried to pull a fast one over an unsuspecting buyer. That's all.

[@volvo09]

That explains why I barely see much of those anymore. They used to be fairly popular. Like 00's Durango's, they're all gone up in the salt belt.

[@jadesmith6823]

Ahhh I remember a time that one invested 5 minutes once a week to check key areas on your vehicle yourself instead of needing a sensor 🤦

[@Enonymouse_]

I agree but TPMS do have a valid use, the one they are best for is catching slow leaks that you won't notice while on the road. I still verify my own tire pressure since I have all the necessary stuff in my home shop including an automated fill station.

[@mrblackout22]

Do you ever let the customer know they got ripped off or anything in a situation like this?

[@ron1584]

Good morning Ray and Lauren. I hope you two had a relaxing evening. A video from your old work place. I hope they have realized that they screwed up and let a top notch mechanic go. That paint job is a little above preventive maintenance. That's why a pre purchase inspection is necessary. Even Brand new vehicles should be inspected, it's amazing what you find that has been overlooked.

[@robertr.garcia7043]

Even Sears' mechanics tried screwing my dad out of $500 to fix a noise coming from the bottom of his pickup a long time ago. He couldn't afford it so I fixed it myself, a $20 u- joint. I had seen the salesman give the mechanic that "we have a sucker here" look when they were wiggling the drive shaft. Yeah, you can't trust anyone. Ever.

[@TheMangrovejack1]

How can cars with rust defects like this be allowed on the roads, from a SALES yard, In Australia they must be inspected and a safety certificate issued, by an independent mechanic

[@SuperGlacierGirl]

Florida has no inspections. You should see some of the junk running down the roads here

[@almsco]

Same as here in Europe, that is a pile of junk and no workshop would put that back on the road.

[@TheMangrovejack1]

@@SuperGlacierGirl , that's insane , vechile safety is not just the individuals responsibility, because they might take out someone else ,and then who gets the blame

[@wonniewarrior]

In Victoria - they are required to be sold with a roadworthy certificate. However you can buy as is - but then you don't get plates for it, or you cant transfer the plates to your own name. That being said, that the only time you get a roadworthy here, at time of sale or issuing of new plates - unless Police or Vicroads order it inspected or defected on road. If I sold a car to you privately as is - I would remove the plates to protect myself from liability. But the new owner can buy a temporary permit of 1, 3 or however many days to move it to another location or take to a mechanic.

[@derredriver]

This merica, This is Florida where you have a choice of how you kill your neighbours covid because you don't have to be vacinated or run them over in your rust box when you don't have a state inspection

[@johnjohannemann1220]

Knowing there was structure damage and safety concerns, why would you replace the TPMS sensors instead of have the customer return the vehicle. That is not a very good way to do business.

[@ducewags]

One would think the customer had a "pre-inspecton" done when buying that. If not that falls on the buyer, not Ray. Ray did what was asked to do, and some how now the buyers car problem is Rays fault? Okey-dokey we know who to blame now when buying stuff that does not work.

[@errorabortretry3694]

Likely he did point out the faults, but the buyer only wanted to get the tires sorted for the moment... and everything else could be dealt with later. One does not buy from a BHPH lot due to a overabundance in cash flow... from anything I've seen.

[@OddLifeOfDadAndTess]

Easy way to tell if there is a sensor is by moving the valve stem. If the valve stem moves by just wiggling it a little that means it has a non sensor valve stem in it. Those with sensors have a rigid valve stem.

[@sabriath]

Did you let the customer know they were given a lemon and the buy-here-pay-here could be put under legal scrutiny for unlawful practices of hiding severe faults?

[@ducewags]

Or have it pre-inspected. And what is against the law again on a used car if the buyer did not have it checked first?

[@ducewags]

@Leon Mailfert What state has that?

[@easterworshipper5579]

@@ducewags every state in australia has road-worthies. ETA: maybe it isnt obvious what a 'road worthy' is. its basically a super (overly) anal inspection of a vehicle. they will refuse to register your car for both major and minor mechanical/structural issues.

[@ducewags]

@@easterworshipper5579 Well we are not in Australia, so we are not forced to replace cars and trucks here.

[@ducewags]

@Leon Mailfert So you want the governmet to tell you to buy a new car or truck every few years? Over the lack of people that don't have a pre-purchase done?

[@TofuInc]

I have that same tool, it can be super picky on the angle of the dangle when scanning. I'm also almost certain it will activate those sensors without having to drive. Congrats on the 200K!

[@ralger]

TPMS “to pay many shekels” . Worst idea ever implemented on cars , learn to use a tire gauge and save your money ☺

[@jeremylangford2990]

Id like to see you use a tyre gauge whilst driving...... the reason of having a tpms system is so you are aware of a puncture in a tyre and act appropriately on that information

[@phredphlintstone6455]

It's either going to be a blowout, which you will notice instantly...or a slower leak, which you should notice by the handling...true this one can take a bit for you to notice, but you should notice.

[@nigelcox1451]

Sadly, so few people check their tyre pressures and many tyres, especially low profile, do not show obviously when soft. With low tyre pressures contributory to some serious or fatal collisions, we get TPMS. However, there are two implementations. Like we've seen here, sensors in the wheel work well, when they're working. Many cheaper cars use the wheel speed sensors to 'calculate' when a tyre is soft. If I reset my pressures for carrying a load, or lowering them later, and forget to reset the TPMS, it will normally take about 20 miles before it shouts at me. Not clever. On a Ford Fiesta, I heard the pop, not safe to stop there, tyre already scrap, so carried on gently to a safe place to change the wheel. The warning came on about a quarter mile after the tyre was completely flat. Not sure the benefit of the system there.

[@ralger]

@@nigelcox1451 Very good explanation , my personal experience is these check tire lights become an ignored feature by the driving public so there usefulness diminishes over time , sort of the boy who cried wolf analogy. At -30C these lights can stay on for hours until the tires and sensors warm up poor design for a cold climate like where I live .

[@Alycanj]

My TPMS had never worked since got the car, have the relearning tool but always one never could be programmed and I wasn't gonna pay $200 for someone to replace one, I just have learned to love the light on dash over the years

[@scrufscruff5883]

I cant believe you didn't re-balance that tire afterwards. A tire hardly ever seats the exact same way twice. That... and different sensor, different company, different weights!!! Other than that.... GOOD WORK

[@nukemman]

The part I'm upset about is you never confronted the customer about the rust issues with this vehicle.

[@badgerpa9]

You have no idea if he did as he would not show that on camera, grow up this is a business youtube is Ray's second job first is the shop and customer laws still apply.

[@nukemman]

@@badgerpa9 Thanks for the "grow up". Makes me feel young again.

[@badgerpa9]

@@nukemman You are welcome.

[@78stormryder]

I love ya Ray, But you give the buy here pay here lots way too much credit they’re not going to spend the extra couple bucks on rustoleum brand paint especially if they’re not going to spend the extra on high temp paint more than likely they’re using Walmarts $1 or $2 blue label “special” spray paint. Sadly I know this from working for One of the few good buy here pay here lots in my area because they had grown from a very small lot that could barely hold 50 cars on it to two dealerships both of them able to hold a comfortable inventory of 200 cars at the small lot and a lil over 350 at the larger one which had it’s on service,body, and detail shop along w/everything else. And even though they spent between 5 to 10 G a week on parts if touch up paint like you pointed out needed to be done it would be done with the cheap cans from Walmart. Sorry for the long comment

[@googiegress]

You're all good, you have valuable experience :)

[@speteydog2260]

Why does a tire need a sensor? Just fill it to the required pressure. Did the car ever work?

[@matthewkoski1266]

I’m surprised that you didn’t check the TPMS on the first tire change to see if it was the sensor or the tool. I seriously thought you’d do all 4 then find out ooops, it was my scan tool.