Hydra is still active. Arnim Zola Captain America : The Winter Soldier (2014)

[@heartoface]

"when history did not co-operate history was changed" always gives me chills.

[@livingwithautism3789]

“when history did not co-operate history was change” always gives me chills.

[@theaccordian9377]

Vietnam and Iran.....

[@alistairwalker2850]

@@theaccordian9377 Hell it’s implied Bucky shot JFK under orders from HYDRA

[@cheech_cheech]

Line hits different now

[@scarecrow108productions7]

@@alistairwalker2850 and then blamed it on Lee Harvey Oswald, so the world will never know that it's HYDRA's doing.

[@aidenfurry471]

"first correction I am swiss" LOL, gets me every time

[@_dimitri8138]

Safety and peace, Aiden. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[@Kncperseus]

Fors korrekshion

[@jeremiahcrain7023]

That has the same energy as Chris Jericho's "I'm from Winnipeg you idiot"

[@marionhoward2939]

I clicked just to hear that

[@WillOfMyD]

Zola be like BITCH GET MY NATIONALITY RIGHT!

[@thembanitheone]

"We won Captain. Your death amounts to the same as your life: a zero sum." That cut deep.

[@MustafaAli-lb8dq]

That real hurt Steve. Thath's why he punched the screen.

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@outlaster3431]

Bruh

[@IluminousOne-9.7.2]

Captain America: New World Order is on the way, so I guess they really won

[@amosonyemaenu.1396]

Honestly, because everything Steve Rogers sacrificed for the past 70 years was in vain

[@JonatasAdoM]

I never stopped to think about it! The reason Rogers is so opposed to ceasing the Avenger's freedom to act is because that is literally Hydra's end goal!

[@namekiz3199]

He just don't believe in the government

[@madtitan0825]

It’s just he understands absolute power comes corruption even Shield it’s inevitable, hell he’s not wrong Ross himself is basically a representation of powerful person but with corrupt intention

[@AB-zl4nh]

@@namekiz3199 He believes in government, he just doesn't believe in authoritarianism. Not the same. He has libertarian tendencies as a result of his experiences with flawed people in government.

[@namekiz3199]

@@totelife6443 yeah fuck democracy, never actually like 'em

[@DoctorWhoKage]

Actually, it wouldn't just be in HYDRA's best interests if someone took away the Avengers' freedom to act, a whole lot of other bad guys would benefit from that as well and I don't think Ross and the other world governments realize that.

[@Nick-yz9fd]

Arnim Zola was part of the crew that gave Winter Soldier his arm, he could have made himself an entire robot body on an extension cord.

[@rea280]

The problem isn’t the robotics; it’s providing enough energy for the machine to run. The reason the iron man suits couldn’t be replicated was because creating a miniaturized arc reactor was practically impossible and only tony (and I guess Ivan) were able to create it. An extension cord won’t be able to provide the same power a mini fusion reactor will. Also, they don’t have the technology to digitally map neurons along with every memory into a computer the size of a brain. That would require over 300,000 RTX graphics cards to replicate 1 second of simulated brain activity. It’s much more logical they have equipment (even though that’s old hardware) spread across a building than inside a small body.

[@Nick-yz9fd]

@@rea280 Hence why I included the "on an Extension cord" bit.

[@rea280]

@@Nick-yz9fd if you read what I wrote I said that wouldn’t suffice. The average wattage of an extension cord is 1250 watts. Not nearly enough to power a bipedal robot or a suit of power armor which is why you need starks arc.

[@andrewkuebler4335]

@@Nick-yz9fd Pretty sure he didn't mean literally.

[@chrisahearn789]

He did, or atleast concept art shows he did. He may still turn up at some point

[@joefletcher118]

“Hydra died with the red skull” “Cut off one head, two more shall take its place” definitely the best use of their motto

[@ntinosaggelopoulos6718]

The same thing with marvel it died with Tony

[@DepravedCoTApologist]

​@@ntinosaggelopoulos6718And the two heads that took its place are both the cartoon head from the hydra meme

[@sitsia3808]

his second head the computer in Russia where the 5 super soldier killed by Zemo were kept

[@wwesuperstar1100]

Like the cartel

[@Randomnessisreasuring]

the fact that shield never monitored any person from Hydra was a stupid plot point.

[@Cris-pt3jw]

I like the parallels with real history. German scientists were recruited for NASA after WW2 similar to how hydra agents were recruited to shield

[@quillmaurer6563]

1:11 Natasha mentions Operation Paperclip, which was the real-life project that brought German scientists to the US, mostly for the technological arms race with the Soviets, which included NASA. This is just adding the fictional SHIELD (though the timing of SHIELD's founding is ambiguous in the MCU, Iron Man hinted it was just being developed in 2008 while other scenes in other movies suggest it had been around for decades - same with the Avengers Initiative) to that. Though I'm not aware of any real-life Operation Paperclip scientists retaining loyalty to Nazi ideologies, they were probably very thorough in screening them. Most either were wanting to fight the Soviets, whether doing so with Germany or the US, or just were passionate about the science and technology regardless of who they were doing it for.

[@xrstevenson]

I'm also pretty sure they did the same for the CIA as well no?

[@user-ft4re6nr3l]

Well that was the intention

[@erwin669]

NASA, CIA, FBI, all the alphabet agencies that existed at the time all got themselves German and Japanese scientists. The research that they recovered became things like the space program and MK-Ultra.

[@SalvadorsChannel]

You see many super devoted nazis in government pictures like the guys with the scars on their faces were hardcore nazis

[@billy6876]

"We are both of us.... Out of time" I love this line.

[@Goat4459]

@@lumiii1171 lol

[@theresheblows]

I thought I was the only one

[@never_ending2220]

I thought he said “we are both about... out of time!”

[@billy6876]

@@never_ending2220 no, it's definitely "both of us" but the audio isn't too loud and what with the Swiss accent I can understand why.

[@never_ending2220]

@@billy6876 I see

[@derpmanthefirst1754]

This scene was one of the most disturbing ones of this movie. Zola seemed like such a small guy in Captain America: The First Avenger, but he really showed his strength here. He was a really dangerous guy.

[@julianj9830]

It's disturbing because its based on actual events. WW2, MK Ultra, Vietnam, 911, Sandy Hook, war on drugs, list goes on and on.

[@derpmanthefirst1754]

Exactly.

[@jimmerjabberer]

The most dangerous person is the one everyone overlooks.

[@rotyler2177]

The guys that allowed Zola to continue his work were supposed to be the good guys.

[@macias7125]

@@julianj9830 and covid 19

[@FerretJohn]

I wouldn't be surprised if Zola survived. He was smart enough in 1972 to download his brain on a football field of analog computers, he's be smart enough to upgrade to a more modern system and make a backdoor out of there

[@fhmi.zailan2923]

or maybe upload himself into an SSD.

[@brycenwalker9272]

guys, the computer activated when they inserted the thumb drive. he can exist easily on that

[@OmarPerez-cq7zf]

Arnim Zola didn't appear in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier but I really hope they bring him back in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier season 2 or Captain America 4

[@MrJames1034]

Unless his brain did survive but would only be revealed in subsequent marvel movies

[@ademirsegura6307]

Woulda been awesome if he said HAIL HYDRA

[@guillermorojasc]

"Your death amouts the same as your life...a ZERO SUM!" His entire life he was fighting while the enemy was next to him.

[@livingwithautism3789]

“Your death amounts the same as your life…a total of ZERO!” His entire life he was fighting while the enemy was next to him.

[@Noname-xr4ql]

"Your death amouts the same as your life...a total of ZERO!" His entire life he was fighting while the enemy was next to him.

[@OriginalPotatotube]

"'Your death amouts the same as your life..a ZERO SUM!" His entire life he was fighting while the enemy was next to him.

[@CrystalKingdomGeneral4942]

Um, you conveniently forget the fact that his "zero sum" efforts saved tens of millions of lives and set Hydra's plan back by several decades.

[@theomnigamer9177]

The General Yeah but the way you described it, the same was just about to happen again with Project Insight. So even though Hydra’s plan was pushed back as time is constant, the same thing is about to happen again. Zero sum.

[@draskirondaar]

"We are both of us... Out of time!" I love the double meaning behind this line. Literally out of time, as doom approaches, or metaphorically, being relics of a bygone era.

[@alwenke212]

Being in the wrong place in time ! Unfortunately is something I can relate to !

[@vitoc8454]

Loki: "The soldier. A man out of time." Steve: "You're the one who's out of time."

[@a.d.1368]

Ohh,that is a good find.

[@StarHorder]

DOOM?!

[@draskirondaar]

@@StarHorder I've seen this response hundreds of times in hundreds of places and I'm so confused. What does this meme mean?

[@nathanjoel4902]

I just realised... this is probably where Steve learnt about bucky killing Tony's parents 😶😶

[@jeremyanderson6789]

It are the hydra are real villains, not poor sweet Bucky

[@never_ending2220]

@@jeremyanderson6789 English? Your sentence is all over the place.

[@rapolasra934]

Yes, Natasha also knew. Why are people blaming Steve all the time

[@maxducoudray]

Note that he learned HYDRA killed Tony’s parents. I think he learned it was Bucky specifically at the same time Tony did.

[@tigre3903]

No, at the end of the movie, when Sam, Fury and Steve were in the graveyard Natasha gave Steve a document and said "this is what I found, you may not like what is inside", meaning that document is, in fact, a file about Bucky"s criminal activities

[@BLAISEDAHL96]

One of my most favorite moments in the MCU. I really hope that Zola managed to copy himself onto another drive somewhere. Too good of a villain to get killed off so quick.

[@Goat4459]

Ikr perhaps he will come back in some series on Disney plus who knows.

[@reids100]

would've been a good way to make him into MODOK or something

[@balthasar6091]

That could be a main part of the plot, if falcon and the winter soldier gets a secound season.

[@lemmonsinmyeyes]

Maybe he did. Maybe. He did.

[@ASimpleGodzillaFan]

He could potentially be the power broker

[@mastick5106]

"I am afraid I have been stalling, Captain." I _love_ that twist on the old "villain gloatingly reveals his master plan" trope.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

One of the few times the "villain explains his plan" trope makes sense

[@ScorpionStrike7]

Agreed

[@MrHillBilly-j7f]

And it works honestly. Love this scene. Feels like it was ripped straight out of a comic book.

[@RookScally]

The thing most people don't think about is was he just stalling till the missile hit or did he stall while he copied his brain from the data banks onto the much more sophisticated thumb drive?

[@Corristo89]

In "The First Avenger" Zola isn't shown to be a fanatical member of Hydra. He seems to follow the Red Skull more out of fear than loyalty and didn't kill himself when captured. Either this was part of the plan all along or he had a massive change of heart years later.

[@samsonguy10k]

He saw how the world operated after the war and started thinking Schmidt was right. Well, not necessarily the world. But just watching how the US lived in excess during the 50's while the rest of the world was still rebuilding would get someone thinking the world needs a bit less freedom. It's not saying he is right nor justified. Just how a point of view can be affected.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

I think zola’s vision of what hydra was suppose to be did not coincide with Red skulls. One is built of cold and calculated pragmatism on the nature of humanity, the other needed to feed his god complex and would’ve ruined the world to do it.

[@musicburst2513]

Ikr, Schmidt really trusted Zola. Usually, the scientist guy or lady gets killed in the end by the villain. But, Schmidt even gave his car for Zola to escape in CA 1. Also, Zola was 100% sure that Schmidt wouldn't believe his fake defection letter.

[@zaanredelinghuys191]

Perhaps he had his own vision for what he wanted hydra to be, but didn't want to go over Red Skulls head out of fear. And once Red Skull was gone, there was no one to stop him from implementing his version of hydra?

[@williamdavidm.l6665]

Or this part wasn't so greatly written.

[@rose9189]

Zola's scarier than ultron for me

[@charliemomo6532]

Why doesn't anyone call him modok?

[@souryak1251]

Because modok is a different person

[@zainmeer3415]

@@charliemomo6532 modok have big scary chair, arnim zola no have

[@yueshijoorya601]

Ultron could easily have been scary. I don't get why it presents itself as an android with moving lips and expressive eyes.

[@rose9189]

@@yueshijoorya601 yeah ithink ultron by pym could be scary or the mcu ultron could be scary if only they wrote ultron as one

[@tjjordan4207]

- "If you try to take that freedom, they resist." - "Humanity needed to surrender its freedom willingly." - "And when history did not cooperate, history was changed." - "...a world so chaotic that humanity is finally ready to sacrifice its freedom to gain its security." That's exactly what has been happening in our world for a long time now. There's always truth within fiction, hidden away but within plain sight.

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@Clara-Eous]

“Fiction is the lie through which we tell the truth” Btw “purification”

[@robertmoffit1135]

Communists learned the same lesson. They started revolutions and coups in small countrys after ww2

[@mistaD72]

I just watched that scene. “Humanity needed to surrender its freedom willingly.” Damn. Does this not parallel what’s going on in the world today???

[@oraifelagasi8233]

What does even mean Can't relate

[@AnkitSingh-wt7dh]

Believe it or not but it was definitely the most shoking moment of MCU. Hydra which was considered to be dead years ago was still growing inside shield. That very hydra for which Steve had to sacrifice everything and went under the ice for 70 years. Man that must have hurt him...

[@Revkor]

and why he was so against the Sokovia Accords. for if Shield could be taken over this badly. then what of the UN and others?

[@AnkitSingh-wt7dh]

@@Revkor that's why he didn't sign it because he already saw the consequences.

[@TangomanX2008]

Yeah. This was one of the most suprising plot twists Ive ever seen.

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

They Hydra Awakes. You are asleep. I am Alpharius.

[@aussiegod4269]

Pretty much. Steve sacrificed himself and his life in the 20th century to stop Hydra. The fact they have come back again is heartbreaking because it means his past efforts and sacrifice meant nothing.

[@mediarare2386]

Winter soldier is my favorite single-character movie. Part of it is because Cap is my favorite Avenger but the whole plot with Hydra outliving Rogers, surviving, enduring and operating in the shadows of the higher echelons in the world is close enough to reality that I'm getting the chills. Hydras power to strategize is so terrifyingly well made here.

[@raven4k998]

why why is a movie AI smarter then a tesla AI?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@skellybonz5467]

@@raven4k998 and a movie ai that was made in the 70’s. My guy is running off of some of the most outdated shit and hardware ever

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@josephxuereb1978]

The bad guys in marvel tell the truth more than the government

[@lorduvaltv274]

Because They save their lies for the government IYKYK

[@carlosm6030]

That's why they're the good guys. For instance what will happen if Nick Fury or Amanda Waller tell all the truth about their job

[@tywaits3896]

Probably because this is happening now and it's true people will only give up their freedom by choice not force

[@eren34558]

or the united nations

[@feralbigdog]

disgraceful isnt it? this clip makes me think of the pandemic and the shootings, no way that can be honest, not that people were killed but that someone just out of the blue decides to go on a rampage, and the fbi, knowing about these types had no grounds to do SOMETHING, its a setup.

[@GorcStew]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@obscure_genesis]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@ГригорийГ-ч4н]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@arson1tez]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@mandalorethesupreme1056]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@Mainasugomi2402]

this scene is creepier when taken out of context for some reason lol

[@uramisugi]

2:52 as creepy as this scene is, Steve punching the screen and Zola appearing on the other like nothing happened will never not be funny to me 💀

[@Chevywolf30]

"As I was saying"

[@kamentrainerhorn2073]

I love Marvel.

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@sparkshark789]

I love subtle humor.

[@mastick5106]

I've always loved that little quip because "As I was saying" is _exactly_ what I've always said before completing a thought after somebody interrupts me. Wish it was a trait I shared with a hero instead of a villain, but oh well.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

Replace "SHIELD" with the "CIA" and this scene is completely accurate.

[@cyclobenzaprine20]

geez bro i was gonna comment saying' that's unrealistic' but then i remembered how US hired nazis to further develop science and space exploration.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

@@cyclobenzaprine20 Von Braun used to hang the three slowest enslaved workers in his rocket factory to get the rest to work faster.

[@cyclobenzaprine20]

@@MrJustonemorevoice that's crazy i didn't know that. wow.

[@MrJustonemorevoice]

@@cyclobenzaprine20 Yep, and NASA paid him a comfy living to work for the USA. You would be shocked if you peeled back the lid on half the things this country has done. For instance. Moloch.

[@maxfrankow1238]

The CIA was still around in the MCU.

[@maxithalo7796]

This is the only reason I'll accept a villain releaving his plans in an evil monologue The guy has been in a computer for decades, just waiting for the one oportunity where the guy who arrested him would come into his layer, after so long of course you'd use all that built up expectation to boast, surprise, scare and finally kill your enemy

[@thebravegallade731]

also he actually used the monologuing to stall lol

[@maxithalo7796]

@@thebravegallade731 good point! I didn't think of it that way lmao

[@surfersilver6610]

​@@maxithalo7796 Um...HELLO he clearly says (3:28) that he was stalling them right in the movie.

[@claremontcowboy7409]

@@maxithalo7796 you idiot

[@cybersecurityforcivilians]

Ultron has entered the chat: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmHWdpKAa9JgsKs

[@edithjarvisfriday]

Think about this: with only four minutes of screen time, Zola is a more terrifying and complex villain than most of the MCU’s recent antagonists.

[@lewispascoe1145]

Then his own team blows him up.

[@PrimordialNyx]

​@@lewispascoe1145he's the one who sent the missile.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@lewispascoe1145 He’s the one who called in the strike. He probably has backed up his brain somewhere, even.

[@Oh-five-six-nine]

​@@bkjeong4302 I'd prefer it if he didn't, actually. Every villain has their own agenda, but it's rare we get one that is so high on their own supply that they're willing to sacrifice themselves for their goals.

[@jaydet2845]

He is such a cool villain I don’t want them to bring him back, don’t want him ruined like all the MCU lately

[@haikuheroism6495]

What an awesome character, and in the first film he's a side character and in this he's in one scene. I want a whole movie with computer Zola as the antagonist.

[@srami004]

What I find fascinating is that in the first Captain America film Armin Zola said, "I'm just a scientist." He did a great job in fooling us that he was faking it to stay alive. In this scene, Zola is a devoted follower of Hydra.

[@thelambsaucee]

FiRsT cOrRecTion, I aM sWiSs

[@sacreblam5711]

right? combined with the first comment of "we are both men out of time," it would've been nice to at least have had more screentime between zola, steve, and bucky. to imagine how much more we could've seen happen between these displaced characters, to have seen how they adapted to the battlefield and to time, and to have a "we started this battle x years ago, now it's time to finish it" full circle would've given a lot of closure and still retained that high entertainment value. zola would've been interesting to see as a lead- or co-villain, especially when considering that fact that he actively watched history happen - he wasn't brainwashed and put in stasis; he wasn't encased in ice for decades; he has had his hands on almost every bit of information to pass for the last century (or two) and he could've posed an incredible threat with upgrades - but, alas.

[@idontexistithink3856]

He was in more than one scene, he’s just only really interesting in one.

[@navylaks2]

Who's to say that he actually died He could have spread throughout the Internet

[@mikeoxmaul45]

2:40 Zola's screen became HD

[@ElHijoMayor24]

He wants that 1080p 60fps so bad, lol

[@dzello]

All of that isn't on the screen

[@Goat4459]

@@dzello yeah i don't think they realised that. Still awsome scene.

[@damienrey8216]

Camera quality went from 50s to 80s to 2015 real fast

[@SketchTurnerZero]

In fact, it was the Nazis who invented the first high definition television. So it's historically accurate.

[@redwood9992]

"zero sum" that really triggered steve, rightfully so, who sacrificed pretty much living out his whole life to stay frozen in the ice.

[@GustavoGplay]

"A world so chaotic that humanity is finally ready to sacrifice it's freedom..." This hits a bit different in 2020-21

[@OurHereafter]

And it starts with "electing" biden

[@gabrielribeiro448]

@@OurHereafter not even the system itself found proofs of a fraud lol, what you, fellow anonymous profile, can provide us?? Not to mention that your smart asses didn't lose anything lol

[@JoshSweetvale]

Bull. The world has been the same flailing victim of America and China's rapacious gluttony since the 90's. At least the USSR kept America's eye on the prize.

[@sreehari3389]

@@OurHereafter overdosing on that copium I see

[@ToxicTroublemaker]

@@gabrielribeiro448 "We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" Gotta do better than that dude

[@moviehermit5631]

Imagine if they had the rights to Spider-man at the time, and incorporated the plot line of Peter’s parents being CIA/SHIELD agents, and implying that the Winter Soldier also killed them

[@blank-vj1mc]

That would be really stupid and make Peter’s struggles just another aspect of him being IronBoy.

[@moviehermit5631]

@@blank-vj1mc In my mind, this would be for an older Peter Parker. And I figured it would be an interesting adaptation. In my mind, Peter wouldn’t lash out at Bucky, and that would lead to an even further divide where Peter leaves Tony’s side and goes back to being solo

[@blank-vj1mc]

@@moviehermit5631 That doesn’t change the fact that peters parents being spies has been terrible in every comic book, tv show, and movie thats tried it. It ruins what makes Peter specials by making him some fateful hero with superheroes as parents. Peter works better as a regular kid, with regular human tragedy.

[@moviehermit5631]

@@blank-vj1mc Valid. An alternative would be government/SHIELD scientists. Or just regular scientists who were either killed in an accident (plane crash) or in this potential scenario, assassinated by Hydra for being potential threats

[@awddfg]

based winter soldier killing cia agents

[@Scrapla1]

Scary how true this actually is. Look at the past few years when we had people literally asking if our rights and freedoms are worth more than our "safety".

[@conradmbugua9098]

i think they were telling us their plans

[@DyspareEmbodied]

@@conradmbugua9098 Just replace the Helicarriers with the coronavirus vaccine...

[@bonelesschickennuggets1868]

I honestly can’t take seriously those specific claims from people that refuse to put simple pieces of cloth over their mouths, apparently they’re secret mind controlling devices to manipulate people or something, I swear people advocating so much against the “system” are sometimes even more sheeps themselves compared to the people they claim to be sheep

[@LordVader1094]

@@conradmbugua9098 They enjoy parading their intentions in front of us while we do nothing to stop it.

[@raulmartinez3484]

Ever read “The Leviathan” or even “On Liberty”? People act like morons when they don’t see the bigger picture and realize that we must give up certain freedoms to protect the lives of others. Imagine there were no laws that banned people from taking you off title on your home without consent or laws that stop corporations from stealing your personal information and selling it to thieves who want to steal your identity? Might as well live like a caveman then.

[@trentsavage4533]

Basically He disclosed just about everything about hydra and the algorithm. So Steve and Natasha would have to be killed so that they can’t leave with that information

[@BobDeCaprio]

exposition for the audience

[@samsonguy10k]

They were going to be killed anyway. Zola knew what they got off that freighter and knew if Steve and Nat weren't stopped, they were coming to him. So he sacrificed himself so the heroes would be stopped. Except that failed. **Sad Kazoo Noises** Schmidt held Zola in high regard during their buildup and machinations of Hydra during the war. He would have told Zola to go jump off a cliff if he met him later. Fortunately there is a convenient cliff where Schmidt is operating now.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

@@samsonguy10k Why would Schmidt dislike the more recent version of Zola? After all, Zola basically broke his back carrying Schmidt's ideology to success for the better part of a century. I don't see how that would incite disapproval from the man who started it all

[@RealPantsMan]

God the glitchy versions of his lines that follow after each one are so unnerving it’s amazing

[@steel749]

Reminds me of The Master from Fallout

[@jeidandjemily]

0:43 Zola was legit offended

[@WhoEls]

Second correction: The Swiss use meters not feet.

[@robertcremin3291]

Well, he had been living in the U.S for about 20 years before his death and another 40ish after so makes sense he would’ve picked up on the slang

[@ProfChaos1985]

He would use the format Cap is most familiar with as a way to talk down to him

[@WhoEls]

@Andrew Wise US-Scientists also use metric units. I think it was purely done for the audience.

[@mirakhalifa8704]

does that mean every swiss has a disability

[@arnaudschmitt5474]

I schwöre jo 😂

[@justanotherguy8588]

Imagine if they actually killed all the heroes then started to cry when Thanos came to kill them all and there are no heroes left to save them.

[@bryansuralta592]

Imagine if Ultron Won.... What would Ultron do against Thanos?

[@justanotherguy8588]

@@bryansuralta592 Thanos would of cut Ultron like butter. His Double blade sword can cut Vibranium Edit: I saw the What If..? Episode of Ultron won. I was wrong

[@sacreblam5711]

@@bryansuralta592 Ultron was more concerned about humanity themselves serving as their own defenders, and was very similar to Thanos in his "survival of the fittest" mentality in order for them to do so. I don't think he would've served as a protector (mass genocide aside) and I doubt he would've seen Thanos as a threat rather than a tool to weed out the weaker of humanity. In that case, he might've even wiped out half the population beforehand which would've rendered Thanos' attention on Earth null, or simply let him wreak havoc to complete a portion of his objective. If he did attempt to work against Thanos, likely for his own hubris, then it would be hard to say. Ultron does possess a genuis-level intellect and none of the moral dilemmas of his predecessors; he likely would've had access to almost everything and anything on Earth with the Avengers eliminated, free to topple governments and either eliminate or cull their resources. But then again, it took multiple Avengers with extraordinary abilities (magic, gods, relics, regimented armies, etc.) to even pose a challenge, let alone defeat Thanos. Ultron likely would not survive in a 1v1 but has a chance in an endurance 1v1, since neither Ultron nor Thanos age as humans do.

[@sacreblam5711]

As funny as that would be to see, their mission (S.H.I.E.L.D./Hyrda) was less about eliminating all heroes and moreso about control; issuing a new era with their own weapons and society, which would inevitably include super-soldiers, magic-wielders, geniuses, etc. Had any of the Avengers deigned it better to follow Hydra, they probably would've accepted them and then used them as propaganda. In regards to Thanos, while they wouldn't have possessed people like Tony Stark nor Stephen Strange (which are arguably essential, at least for the MCU, and wouldn't have defected) they might've still posed a threat with the armies of extraordinary followers/soldiers that they could've amassed. I don't think they would've won but it could've been very close, as Arnim Zola (Tony Stark) and The Winter Soldier (Cpt. America) were already enough to propel Hydra forward towards world domination.

[@victorestrella9503]

I mean Thanos would only have killed half the population so half of Hydra would remain. Plus with the world under one government and the population scared out of their minds it would probably be a cake walk to get further control over the population. If anything Thanos would be doing them a favor

[@parkerteo8708]

Imagine being Steve. Woke up in an entirely different world, all his friends are gone, everything is changed, he knows nothing about the present day. The only thing that's still there that he knows is Hyrda

[@alpborakirte801]

They shouldn’t have ended Zola’s character like this. I would like to believe that his consciousness is safe in another facility

[@Gunrunn3rTV]

He was pretty relaxed about that missile...

[@alpborakirte801]

@@Gunrunn3rTV Exactly what i thought.

[@Sky-Daddy]

Well buddy do have news for you...!

[@emiratesaviation33]

Well, what you said is true

[@sewykik5004]

laughs in what if episode 8

[@quillmaurer6563]

My theory: Before this scene, Zola's consciousness had already been transferred to a more modern computer system, leaving this obsolete-tech version redundant and thus okay to blow up. I wouldn't expect Zola to happily sacrifice himself like this, nor Hydra to sacrifice their leader. Thus we may not have seen the last of him. Which I would hope, he's way too compelling a villain to just blow up like that. His ability to transfer himself onto computers, likely multiple, or even exist "in the cloud," would make him truly un-killable, while leading Hydra (which in turn could recruit from the recent real-life spate of neo-Nazis), possibly hacking into global media as he becomes more technologically advanced and knowledgeable. A truly terrifying villain even if he never does actually have a body. Makes Ultron seem like child's play. Though maybe that would also be why the MCU would kill him off - a villain that couldn't be battled using a shield, hammer, tank missile, arrow, gun, or radioactive fists isn't a very good villain for a superhero movie. Also why they had Ultron idiotically occupy a destroyable body even though he so easily could have stayed virtual and been undefeatable.

[@sillyking1991]

as far as ultron, they literally showed how they defeated ultron. he *was* entirely virtual. they *couldn't* beat him until vision 'burned' him from hte internet. then all that was left was the physical bodies that held him. yes, it was kind of anti-climactic, but they did address it in the movie.

[@jeetlaha9627]

What If Episode 9

[@itwontcomeout5678]

Oh damn

[@ДжеймсКолвин]

He's probably Hydraman from the comics, where Steve meets that bum guy w the guitar and goes online to fight a HYDRA program in the cloud

[@fortcolors9887]

it would take someone on vision's level to kill him, and i wouldn't be surprised if vision did casually yeet him at some point

[@arnodorian1620]

"We are both of us out of time" has so much depth to it, while it just means that they are about to die, it can also mean that both zola and steve dont belong in that timeline.

[@koryyyRae]

Nat: is this a recording? Zola: I am not a recording! Steve: Definitely a recording Zola: I AM NOT A RECORDING

[@i_am_the_one8870]

Steve: well son of a bitch Nat & Zola: LANGUAGE Steve: are we really doing this again?

[@surfersilver6610]

Steve & Nat [fingers in ears] LALaLALALALALALALALA Zola: [Mean face on screen, smoke emanates from the vents of the equipment]

[@MikolajNieswiety]

Sounds like something a recording would say... Oh wait, it doesn't.

[@OswaldMarcRogers]

Hopefully season 2 of “What If” shows us a world where SHIELD didn’t recruit Armin Zola or other HYDRA members. I wanna see how that scenario plays out.

[@monsoon1303]

Wow, I like that idea. Maybe he can be a robot like in the comics, with his face on his torso. Though they did somewhat do that already in the season 1 finale.

[@SimbaTheGoldenDoodleOfficial]

It would effect agents of shield

[@PerfectAlibi1]

It would make SHIELD MUCH weaker. And what ever faction the Hydra agents joined much stronger. Possibly Russia could get an organisation like SHIELD, with recruited Hydra agents in it And Russia could be the world power the United States are now.

[@tydshiin5783]

@@PerfectAlibi1 likely that in that scenario, there will be a squad of winter soldiers, my guess tho

[@gmailquinn]

​@@tydshiin5783 they tried to, then stopped: imagine a squad of superman( the hero) made specifically to tear down countries and their governments then proceeding to lose control of said squad

[@bstang93]

The scary thing is, what he's describing is actually happening today.

[@Karlebow571]

Some men just wanted to watch the world burn

[@Fiture_Krisna]

So this is how Steve know bucky kill stark parents

[@dupersupersteven]

He wasn’t completely sure thats why he didn’t tell Tony he didn’t wanna go out of his way to make Tony sad.

[@kevindefrancesco75]

Arnim showed Steve the archives and said "accidents will happen" at the same time, he showed him frames of the winter soldier, that's how he knew

[@dupersupersteven]

@@kevindefrancesco75 It went by pretty fast I doubt he found out there. I think he found out when Nat gave him the file at the end of the movie.

[@sansukanaka]

@@dupersupersteven well, Steve's brain was also enhanced by the serum and is said to absorb information faster that the clock speed of a computer. That's how he can bounce the shield back to him, he calculates pretty fast the trajectory before throwing it, so it creates a plothole of falcon bouncing the shield without serum. Hawkeye is the only human I can remember bouncing back the shield successfully since his accuracy is superior to the regular human. But that is in comics So in the mcu it feels like the shield is magical.

[@JackBob.]

Considering that Civil War wasn't written till years after this movie, it's pretty much a retcon. They saw a place where they could insert some character development with Bucky and the story and they took it. They most likely didn't think that far ahead. Screenwriters aren't really supposed to.

[@Charizarsonist]

Can we appreciate how fast his brain and machines can just render and make and put together a video of Hydra's explanation faster than a nasa computer

[@samsonguy10k]

That or he had already done that in preparation for exposition to someone eventually. Egos like Zola and Schmidt love to brag. Zola just also likes powerpoint displays.

[@juango500]

@@samsonguy10k imagine though he's probably never seen computers with more than 1MB of RAM he's probably very proud of managing decent-quality video and intelligible speech thru 1960's technology

[@jimmerjabberer]

“Accidents…will happen.” That line and its delivery gives me freaking CHILLS. Toby Jones is one of my favorite actors.

[@gilvinzalsos8734]

So HYDRA's belief is kind of similar to the Assassin's Creed's templars but just more evil

[@spadeecstasy8709]

yeah... kinda

[@pengenkaya9977]

Nah its like darkseid

[@R-Jacky6698]

nah, it's China's believe, they did the same thing in Hong Kong, now, People in Hong Kong give up their own freedom to gain security

[@ShadowXII]

Nah, just with better tech.

[@lordtachanka5990]

@@R-Jacky6698 Security from what? China? So they give up their freedom to china for security against China?

[@lncoming]

I find it peculiar that all the most famous Germans both in real life and in sci-fi, aren't actually German...

[@sitsia3808]

Who's the one in real life? The Führer?

[@dorian4646]

@@sitsia3808 he's austrian

[@sitsia3808]

@@dorian4646 yes i know that, but i wondered just about which person (s)he was talking about.

[@omberman]

@@dorian4646 Austrians are German, their basically a dialect and a subculture, kinda like how scillians are Italian

[@yikebendan]

Nah, he became a German citizen so he was German.

[@mjb_mohd]

This is the very reason why steve did not agree for the Sokovia accords. He could no longer trust the government

[@MarianaQuinteroOrozco]

I loved Steve and Tasha here, the banter and the frienship was everything. The core 6 together will be missed very much.

[@sitsia3808]

"Tasha"

[@sueladd2382]

Bule Swede - Hooked on a Feeling (Official Vidoe)

[@greenamogus]

@@sitsia3808 Tasha is short for Natasha

[@water5210]

@@greenamogus usually we use Nat for Natasha but sure

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@companymen42]

They collapsed a building on his head. If that couldn’t kill him, what else could.

[@Budders5576]

Time

[@longps9528]

@@Budders5576 he would die a legend. He would become immortal.

[@Budders5576]

@@longps9528 Absolutely he would.

[@BiggusJakeus]

Didnt kill rumlow either...

[@edvinparmeza1298]

this explains the fact that he managed to stop Thanos hand in Infinity War

[@AlexTheOilersFan]

I know it was for the purposes of the movies, but I like the change Zola went through. In Cap 1, he's presented as working for Hydra partially out of fear (and you can see it when Schmidt kills the Nazi generals). But in this movie not only is he presented as a devout follower and believer of Hydra's beliefs, but he actually becomes the new leader and inspires others to follow Hydra's mission.

[@taidghusflynnius]

I think it's more that he was afraid of Schmidt more than anything and that he had his own ideals for hydra

[@KoOkiEzRoCkz]

1:42 Hydra: Im gonna forcefully take your freedom hehe :D Everyone else: *resists* Hydra: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@cabnbeeschurgr]

If only it went that way irl

[@foxdavis9856]

@@cabnbeeschurgrPowerful weapons are not good enough. If you just show up and try to take someone's freedom by force of course they resist.

[@ay9748]

1:23 One Zola dies, two Zola was digitally preserved

[@ademirsegura6307]

3:34 shoulda had Zola say HAIL HYDRA! 🐙

[@jaredruff9823]

I agree

[@zadubovskiy]

Cap's protecting Nat from explosion EXACTLY like the Wolverine's protecting Yashida from explosion. Both Logan and Steve have weapons made of the rarest metal on Earth. Both are literally a CENTURY old soldiers stepping into every attack fearlessly no matter how strong and invincible the enemy is, even when they know it (Thanos/X-24) Both lost their beloved ones, being on "duty", forever. Dammit, they should make a crossover where these two are chatting to each other in some kind of a bar.

[@carlfromtheoc1788]

In the various Marvel comics there was an issue where in a flashback Cap (or Logan) remembered working with a group of Canadian commandoes, which included Logan.

[@therealsteel1634]

@@carlfromtheoc1788 Logan was in the same unit as Steve in the war, he was called lucky logan because he would never get wounded in battle. People didn't know that was because of his healing factor

[@Karlebow571]

And both past their torch to Sam Wilson and Laura

[@TheDalinkwent]

Writers and directors have actually cracked open a comic or two..hence this great piece of fiction.

[@oLogicalYT]

When marvel actually had great buildup and great connection with the other movies

[@oLogicalYT]

Also there wasn’t one stupid joke in this scene

[@Comithan]

@oLogicalYT And then they forget about this modok and introduce a different one in ant man. Disney is really fucking up the mcu

[@tobiasthorne4644]

I know Hydra’s symbol and motto were created in the comic books loooong before this movie was even conceptualized, but that still doesn’t stop me from feeling like it was all actually made for this one moment, this crazy twist of Hydra being alive and stronger than ever “Hydra died with the Red Skull” “Cut off one head, two more shall take it’s place” It’s so perfect, the pieces fall into place so well The Russos were on a different wavelength when they wrote this movie

[@jangtheconqueror]

"I am not a recording, fraulein" That's exactly what a recording would say if it were trying not to sound like a recording

[@nboon7094]

What else is he supposed to say? He was responding to her comment.

[@Spaceghost5446]

@@nboon7094 how about hey n boon don't take obvious joke comments seriously

[@nboon7094]

@@Spaceghost5446 How about hey Needlessly Aggressive don't make unnecessary points that people already know. Just because something's meant to be a joke doesn't mean I can't point out the Idiocy of it.

[@quillmaurer6563]

How would a recording be able to identify two people that entered seemingly unexpectedly and without authorization? Though even more proof was it responding to her comment - recordings don't respond to people talking to them.

[@ugaritfarhan4511]

you are already dead

[@that_green_neko]

I love how you can hear copies of his voice after he's done talking, repeating what he said. It's a thing that my mind does, where I keep repeating what I said a few times in my head after saying it.

[@Sheeeesk]

Same bro

[@anshumangupta118]

Same!! And i thought I was the only one!!

[@02ninjaman]

the reveal was so good, like he said "cut one off, 2 shall take it's place." Usually in Marvel we just get a new villain with their own goal. But when you have someone who wants to continue that pursuit because of the ideal their leader set for them, it shows how strong their perseverance really is.

[@heisenberg8083]

These cap scenes hit differently after endgame.

[@siddharth_0771]

@@livingwithautism3789 so different than his comment

[@howlbigbadwolf]

Scary how This is Close...or is how reality is Today.

[@santanam.1477]

*CIA wants to know your location*

[@GamingClipStudios]

It’s also interesting to think that Scarlett Johansson actually was born in 1984

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

This isn’t just a plot of a movie, this is what is called “active measures” and it was and is a tactic used to usher in new regimes.

[@messageinthebottle1673]

Are describing the KGB spy who was featured in call of duty cold war trailer

[@ResistTheGreatReplacementEU]

The scariest thing about this scene is that everything Arnim says is barely fantasy, a lot of it is true in the real world.

[@vintagejock3951]

Yeah in Dr. Strangelove, Kubrick shows how we are trying to eliminate communists while there still are Nazis within us, which we completely ignored.

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

@@vintagejock3951 Enemy of my enemy is my friendeven if he was my enemy. People also seem to forget that the Bolsheviks and communism were seen as an existential threat before the Nazis came to power(due to partly to fears of a Soviet takeover)

[@segalliongaming8925]

This is one of many reasons why Winter Soldier is so brilliantly written.

[@WalrusWinking]

And yet the people that made this movie cheers on the real world equivalent.

[@dummyaccount5275]

Yeah but instead of it being some fictional superhero organization, it's the CIA doing these things

[@Xhadp]

One of the most eye-opening moments in the MCU for me

[@palocymasaio]

this one scene has so many plotholes, no need to go full english teacher

[@thatperformer3879]

@@palocymasaioThis scene was warning you on exactly what the governments of the world are doing to the people right now, but you’re too blind to see it.

[@carlomagno7092]

this movie was perfection, no super power bs and dead serious

[@livingwithautism3789]

this movie was perfection, no super power bs and dead serious

[@vinnyidol86]

This movie was perfection, No superpowers Bs, An dead serious.

[@yashwardhanjaiswal6713]

This movie was perfection, no super powers bs and dead serious

[@ch4z_bucks]

Apart from all the superpowers like Steve jumping out of a lift, Natasha using a fake skin mask, etc

[@quekelley5277]

I’m just here for the shield throw! Chris Evans was absolute perfection in his portrayal of Captain America.

[@aashiv93]

These days, big reveals are more common in MCU but back then, the reveal of HYDRA growing inside SHIELD was really a shocker (at least for MCU, don't bring in comics). And we've come so far down that multiverse is also not a novelty anymore.

[@quincylehman7854]

I just got the “we are both of us, out of time” double entendre. Meaning 1.) He believes they are both about to die. 2.) captain America is the “man out of time” and so is Zolaf

[@uppishcub1617]

The concept of an ai running on an old mainframe computer is incredibly cool. It's a shame it's not used more often.

[@JZ-zy8jn]

I can listen to zola talk for hours. Its just perfect.

[@tookiebowaba421]

Come back here when you find out he’s the power broker

[@ankurpachegaokar9234]

what?

[@milkiassamuel780]

It's very plausible that he might be the Power Broker, since its not hard to believe that he was able to transfer his augmented consciousness somewhere and that the director of Falcon and the Winter Soldier has been saying various Captain America characters will be coming back, and it would make sense for a character like Arnim Zola to be re-introduced as the Power Broker instead of another new character as the Power Broker, as the show is already effectively juggling many storylines and characters. No to mention that it would be a great antagonist for Bucky's story as Zola was responsible for making Bucky the Winter Soldier in the first place, Arnim Zola was quite literally the 'Dr Frankenstein' that made Bucky into his own 'monster', and Bucky coming face to face with the man that has caused him so much pain would be a great way to complete his character growth as the final means to truly making an amends and finding peace

[@ankurpachegaokar9234]

@@milkiassamuel780 OH...that's a great twist, I was also thinking that something is missing for winter soldier story in this series as mostly it is focused on falcon's capability to be next captain america, your point for zola make sense

[@milkiassamuel780]

@@ankurpachegaokar9234 Thanks, I do have a feeling the identity of the Power Broker might be revealed in the finale or in a post credit scene, and if not then the possibility of who it may be still stands as a mystery, whether it may be someone we've met like Thunderbolt Ross, Sharon Carter, or Zemo, or someone new like the original Power Broker Curtis Jackson, the Leader, or MODOK? But for now I do have a feeling Zola is the most likely culprit, not only for the reasons I've previously mentioned but since Zola's classic hardware and World War era monitor's were destroyed in Winter Soldier, keeping him alive, it would make more sense that he would need time to rebuild his system as he is bio-computer intelligence and since he is not technically a living creature anymore he wouldn't have been affected by the snap and would leave him all the time in the world to be secretly rebuilding a criminal syndicate under the shadows as an AI, and over time would be able to develop a robotic body in order to operate more efficiently as the distributor of a shadowy genetics distributor, which is would be a reference to his appearance in the comics. As well as he graffiti in episode 3 in Madripor which said "the Power Broker is watching", which could link back to Zola's intent of using government surveillance and online networks to control S.H.I.E.L.D and use an algorithm to bring in a new world, what's to say he wouldn't do the same to keep surveillance over Sam Bucky and Zemo, as how else would you explain how the bounty on them in episode 3 was uploaded so quickly, unless Zola wired it in himself through his virtual consciousness.

[@rose9189]

Might be HAHDUAHXUSHA NOW IM EXCITED since zola can see everythinh like in winter soldier the guy said that zola knew about steven strange even if he wasnt introduced yet

[@elijahchaney7715]

Y’know, the 4th Captain America movie is supposed to be coming out in 2024, a year from when I’m typing this. The subtitle “New World Order”, and seeing the comments here mentioning how Zola is far too capable with technology and unwilling to die to not have built a backdoor to escape those sets of computers, makes me believe he will return in New World order. Considering how dangerous his algorithm was, there’s no telling what kind of weapon he’s going to make next. It perfectly explains why Alexander Pierce saw the disruption of Project Insight as merely a setback that he could easily recover from. If Hydra can hide in plain sight for 70 years, they can easily hide in the shadows for 10 and come back with a terrifying new plan. Scary stuff.

[@swarz08]

I'm actually expecting if Zola is gonna be in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. If he is, well well, who's next? The Serpent Society?

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Unlikely since these computers are all thats left of zola. Pierce even confirmed that this bombing cost him zola

[@sacreblam5711]

i forget the title exactly but there's an article swimming around out there that pointed out a good portion of callbacks/easter eggs in tfatws, and the serpent society was definitely referenced lmao.

[@seanjenkins2188]

@@finnheisenheim8274 As if Zola wouldn't have several contingency plans.

[@OmarPerez-cq7zf]

He better come back in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier season 2 or Captain America 4

[@VLSrinivas]

Rogers: Arnim Zola was a german scientist.... Zola: First correction, I am Swizz. Rogers: I was talking about the language. Zola: Ok, I'm a German scientist.

[@livingwithautism3789]

Rogers: Arnim Zola was a german scientist…. Zola: First correction, I am Swizz. Rogers: I was talking about the language. Zola: Ok, I’m German.

[@surfersilver6610]

@@livingwithautism3789 There's an echo in the comments.

[@nerdygamerguy8378]

This is more real than ever before, inspired by the patriot act after 9/11.

[@nodeberiaestaraqui93]

Funny enough. The Patriot Act was what inspired Mark Millar to write the Civil War comic

[@aptspire]

2:23 the smallest details

[@livingwithautism3789]

the smallest details

[@xjosna4485]

I'm still so amazed by this presentation of Zola in the MCU. Compared to the robot with a face on it's belly this lives such a bigger impression. So chilling, so serious, so well-freaking-done!

[@alex_squeezebox]

Kudos to the sound designer who made that creepy distorted voice echo, that works so well for this scene.

[@BBmetalhead04]

It probably won’t happen, but I hope Zola returns in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (maybe reveal that he’s the Power Broker).

[@balthasar6091]

Maybe he could appear in an secound season. It would make more sense if Sam would fight him as captain america.

[@jejenner123]

And have Bucky meet the creator of the Winter Soldier

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

This was a really smart way to adapt the Armin Zola classic design in some sort.

[@thejoker7902]

"HYDRA created a world so chaotic that humanity is finally ready to sacrifice it's freedom to gain it's security. Once a purification process is complete, HYDRA's New World Order will arise." That is basically Klaus Schwab and the WEF.

[@truongsinh9955]

Exactly. You better pray Mr Trump wins White House in 2024, otherwise the US and probably also the world is F@#KED.

[@Korijenkins1414]

Zola is probably not dead given that he was a computer, he could've gone anywhere. Would've been really cool if he had been the Power Broker in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier but that's almost certainly Sharon.

[@sooryan_1018]

Prolly

[@colleenross8752]

One of the creepiest scenes in the MCU

[@enviritas9498]

I like how Zola was basically trying to kill Captain America with exposition.

[@GusRJ70]

2021 is proving the Zola's plan is efective!

[@livingwithautism3789]

2021 is proving the Zola’s plan is efective!

[@gigachad6885]

The World Economic Forum's "Great Reset" in full effect (with Klaus Schwab, son of a Rothschild, as its founder)

[@Sheeeesk]

2023 is proving the Zola’s plan is effective!

[@SweD5425]

"We had to destroy humanity to show that humanity would destroy humanity." - Hydra.

[@gansior4744]

Probably best scene in this movie. Scientist that has brain still kept alive in a massive room as a Computer is such a great concept. They definietly did better by making Computers old and not swap them for current tech

[@prometheus-ii7030]

Steve: *punches monitor* Zola: Oh no! Anyway

[@MrSpeedysam60]

3:04 "... so I wrote an algorithm." "What kind of algorithm, what does it do?" "It recommends videos to people based on factors pertaining to the viewer such as interests and previously watched videos. Also factors pertaining to the video such as recent views, comments, likes, dislikes, family-friendliness, and the length of the video itself."

[@surfersilver6610]

So "Arnim's Tube"?

[@raymondyee2008]

01:34 Zola had a serious point there.

[@Yuri-rp6ep]

2:18 the winter soldier 😳

[@livingwithautism3789]

the winter soldier 😳

[@NathanBlackberry]

the winter soldier 😳😳😳

[@Rachel.DawnAmber]

I must say I was happy to see Zola end Ultron in What If. Baddies fight

[@DBonaldi89]

‘Admit it, it’s better this way. We are both of us, out of time!’ What a line….

[@anubhavpal5782]

After watching what if, he is stilllllllllllll active

[@Rinjel0]

“200,000 feet of databanks” They could probably do it on a simple ssd now lol

[@quillmaurer6563]

I suspect they likely did. Would seem absurd to just blow him up like that, I suspect his brain had already been transferred to a more modern computer (or possibly several), leaving this original version on very obsolete technology redundant and unnecessary. Meaning we might not have seen the last of Zola. Hopefully so, way too good a villain to just throw away like this.

[@acojo8205]

Nah magnetic tape is still better for backups

[@blaxk_light3148]

This scene gives me chills now because what the Doctor says is what's been happening in the world right now.

[@jeremias2975]

“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.” “Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

[@desreploid3353]

@@jeremias2975 I can't tell if you're one of those religious nutjobs that think posting random bible verses magically makes people christian or if you're quoting Hellsing Ultimate.

[@robertmoffit1135]

Did anyone catch the winter soldier cameo

[@manuelgrothe608]

Trench: Kestis Cal, born in 32 BBY, Kestis Merrin born in 32 BBY. Merrin: This is some kind of recording? Trench: I am not a recording, sleemo, I may not been the leader I was, since Anakin Skywalker execute me in the Anaxis campaign, but I am. Merrin: Do you know this thing? Cal: Admiral Trench was a arachnoid leader of the CIS, he’s been dead for years. Trench: First correction, that name is my home world’s species, Second look around you, I have never been more alive, in 19 BBY, I received a cyber diagnosis, science cannot save my body, but my mind however that is worth saving, you are standing in my brain. Cal: How did you get in here? Trench: Invited. Merrin: It was Operation 66, during the Clone Wars, the droid shutdown command to unknown reasons. Trench: They thought I can help the republic’s cause, they also helped their own. Cal: CIS died with General Grevious, Count Dooku and the CIS Council. Cal: I learned the truth behind the Republic Cal: Prove it. Trench: accessing archive, the Sith Empire was founded on belief that galactic currency cannot be trusted with its own freedom, Little we don’t realize, if you try to take that freedom they resist, The wars taught them much, galactic currency needs to surrender its freedom willingly, after the Wars, The Galactic Republic was renamed, and some were recruited, the new Sith Empire grew, A perfect parasite inside the Republic, through many years, the Sith has been secretly feeding Crysis, reaping Wars, and when history didn’t want to cooperate, history was changed. Merrin: It’s impossible, The Jedi could’ve stoped you. Trench: Accidents will happen, the Galactic Sith Empire created a word so chaotic, that galactic currency needed to sacrifice its freedom, to gain its security, once a purification progress is completed, the Sith’s new Galactic Order will arise, they’ve won already,Kestis, your deaths are amongst to the same as your lives, a zero sum. (Cal grunts)(screen breaks) Trench: As I was saying. Cal: What’s In this drive? Trench: Project Hamerton, requires Stardust, Poggle the Lesser wrote an algorithm. Merrin: What kind of algorithm, what dose it do? Trench: The answer to your questions are fascinating, unfortunately, you should get my consciousness to hear it. (Beeping) Merrin: Luke, we got a bogey Cal: Who Fired? Merrin: The Empire. Trench: I’m afraid I’ve been stalling, Kestis, admit it, it’s better this way, We are both of us, Out of time

[@Circleofcocytus]

Wow, from a cautionary tale in 2014 to the creation of a real life ministry of Truth in 2022. Hell of a thing, the amount of change that can happen at 8 years.

[@tonypringles2285]

okay, don't go getting crazy.