Hyundai Ioniq 5 N vs Tesla Model Y charging battle

[@E-Mobility-Today]

Hello Björn, to answer your question directly. The charging session of the IONIQ 5N is distorted by the temperature in the traction battery being too cold. I have now charged my EV6 more than 250 times on the HPC charger and recorded many hundreds of charging sessions. As you found out in your first video about the EV6, it only has the optimal charging performance at a temperature of more than 25 degrees in the coldest cell. You can also see this clearly in your video, the charging performance jumps when the temperature reaches 25 degrees. In addition, there is another important temperature limit that hardly anyone knows about, it is 35 degrees in the coldest cell, which must have been reached before the charging power is reduced depending on the battery level. Only then does the charging power drop gently. The 5N did not reach this temperature either. This means that the charging session was distorted twice by a battery that was too cold and once by a battery that was too hot. Another important piece of information for you regarding preheating. The coldest cell is preheated by 1 degree every 3 minutes. This means that to get the battery to the maximum temperature of 21 degrees, you need at 1 degree plus outside temperatur 60 minutes of preheating time. So it's not surprising that you were never able to get the 5N up to temperature during the 1,000 km journey and therefore always had poor charging performance. Your conclusion that it's because the SOC is too low is therefore wrong, a higher SOC actually worsens the charging performance because you then have even less time to get the coldest cell to 35 degrees. For the next test, it therefore makes sense to preheat the battery in good time and arrive with an SOC of 10%. It shouldn't be too low either, because then the battery is guaranteed to overheat too soon. I hope this information helps you. Best regards, Dirk

[@hwanju94]

Thanks for your videos as always! Can you let me know what connector and app you using for non-teslas?

[@bjornnyland]

I'm using car scanner.

[@MrVeeBlog]

Thanks for the drop Bjorn.

[@zunzea]

Tesla has been behind charging speeds for a long time, I wonder what they got up their sleeves

[@gildardo]

Elon: "best we can do is a cybertaxi"

[@GreenDriveIndia]

Efficiency is their friend

[@sab0nes]

But Tesla beats everyone in reliability, at least here in the US. I'd rather take slower speeds than 5 out of 10 dc fast chargers not working

[@Maarten_vd]

They beat a lot of them with charging speed, expressed as "range added in X amount". KWh, added in X amount is a valid metric, but for the end user, range added in X time is the only important thing to know 😊

[@kenion2166]

I wonder why Tesla keeps the cell temperature significant higher.

[@piscario75]

I have seen 237kW @ 45% before first throttle in our 23 Ioniq 6 which is a little faster than this session. Ramped up to 219kW @ 6%. 4 to 56% in 12 minutes. Still likes to cold gate though and our model doesn't have pre conditioning because of product differentiation reason but not so much of a problem in Oz for most of the year.

[@allybrunton]

Do you know if its possible to fit a towbar to the 5n?

[@scepticalcarols]

Practically, seems to me the interesting curve is km added vs time. Also tells the range available and how long a stop is needed. Which is what you do in your 1000km challenges for optimal charging and what I do when I need a top up to get home to my charger. Illustrates how short stops are in a normal drive where you need to stretch the range a bit to get home on 400 - 500km drive.

[@Zedus-rl9hp]

So at least when comparing 5N and Model Y there is hardly any difference in travel speed in practice, as the poorer efficiency of the 5N stands in the way. If you charge the Model Y to about 40%, the 5N would have 48%, but about 20% more consumption and thus the same charging speed up to this point.

[@kingmiro]

Are you also comparing how much energy is wasted during a charge. What goes out of the charge box and what is getting into the battery. Which model is most effective.

[@manukahoney3442]

Could you please also provide the cumulative curves (SoC over time), that it can be seen how long it takes to e.g. reach 80%?

[@andschae]

Funny, how the Tesla boys try to argue why Tesla is better or why the Koreans are not that good 😁🍿 Guys, relax. If you are happy with the charging speed of your EV, everything is fine. 👍

[@reiniero123]

How did you manage to start the MY session with a 52+ degree battery temperature? (please use cell temp max instead of mid) Seems extremely high to start a SuperCharge session, did it pre-heat to that?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@mmm1826]

Tesla is falling behind

[@thomasbuilder]

Except that it's don't: charging speed is just one side of the coin, the other is efficiency and in that Tesla is still the best. Basically you still get more range in less time with lower charging speeds...

[@susihormon7821]

It could Beat the Leaf. The last 5 years Tesla is lacking ambition. They might sell know by the price. Not for specs.

[@reiniero123]

Only if you neglect the actually important factor: charging speed in distance/minute. Speed in kW is only part of it.

[@thomasbuilder]

@@reiniero123 Exactly what I was saying. You could be charging with 1 MWh if the vehicle consumes 200kwh/100km not really good...

[@susihormon7821]

@ true. Its mostly in our brains…feet…what makes figures low or high. Going fast you should try aptera. Tesla cooks with water like everyone. cant change physics. We „need“ charging speed 6 times a year. For the daily usecase we could live with 1000W/h. A pity that this is not efficient. I love the bananabox thinking of Björn. it shows the flexibilty of the design. y has a lot. m3 not. yesterday we fit a washingmaschine in a 2014 egolf. mm more and it would not fit.

[@AffableAlpaca]

Wouldn't the 4680 cells be considered "fat cells" for Tesla? The 4680 cells unfortunately charge quite poorly based on the 4680 Model Y AWD that was briefly available in the US and the 800V DCFC performance of the Cybertruck we've seen so far.

[@yj.c.]

Bjørn was testing the European/ROW version of the Model Y LR, which doesn't use the 4680. These use the LG 2170.

[@kenion2166]

Cybertruck is limited by charging station. In Europe with CCS someone peaked 405 kwh on the CyberTruck :D

[@AffableAlpaca]

@@yj.c. Yes that’s correct, my comment was responding to Bjorn’s comment that Tesla needs to create “fat cells” to compete, they already have with the 4680 and it’s inferior at the moment it appears.

[@AffableAlpaca]

@ The peak charging rate on the Cybertruck using a 800V DCFC is around 325kW and it doesn’t hold it very long according to the very reputable Out of Spec kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWTIoYiloJeqirs

[@vhol93]

Beast!

[@stsukx7469]

That’s the LG pack on the Model Y. Not such problem with the original panasonic we had before 2022. 250 kW until 30% and @50% we used to get 150 kW still.

[@mjpk987]

I have 2021 Fremont Model 3 LR with Panasonic pack, and it is only slightly better than LG. 250 kW lasts until low teens, and at 50% it drops below 100 kW. With decent efficiency it is not that bad but definitely not great either. To my understanding the best charging LRs were pre-refresh, i.e. 2020 or older.

[@AffableAlpaca]

There was briefly a 4680 pack available on the Model Y. Branden Flasch has put out a good bit of content on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGSli3yfYrh9o80

[@stsukx7469]

@ You have the 82 kWh Panasonic. I also had this one. It was slighlty less than the original 79 kWh pack from 2019 to 2020. But I remember that the 250 kW was until 20% and @50%, it could take 130/140 kW easily. You should check your temps with SMT.

[@hardywoodaway9912]

bullshit you neither got 250 @30 or 150 at 50

[@stsukx7469]

@@hardywoodaway9912 You are bullshit -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX_Gl4xuqcRri7ssi=eVBvwXBMMSV82354

[@DerBlauzahn]

Hyundai max. charging-speed only at ≥25°C batt. min.

[@MR-vj8dn]

You have to find special / 800V charging stations to reach these kinds of speeds, don’t you?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@WiljanWiljan]

Thanks. The kona 2024 electric charges faster then model Y....

[@ralfyway]

Bjoern did a charge speed test. Tesla is far behind. Why you guys start to talk about drive efficiency? I'm MY owner.

[@johnm2879]

Cel temperature seemed to be way higher on the Tesla. Would this account for some of the difference?

[@antoniocirino8444]

Tesla´s battery goes over 60°C. too much hot. Hyundai/kia with 53°C max and 40°C in the end has better cooling.

[@netwilk]

Can you do a comparison charging test of the Ioniq 5 N (or 2025 Ioniq 5) vs Tesla Y on a Tesla Supercharger? Curious how the 135 kW 400V speed compares to a Tesla.

[@shivan6416]

It would have been interesting to put Tesla RWD BYD Blade battery also. Not the same battery size but here we discuss about time and c-rate. A comparison between 800V architecture and a good 400V like MY RWD BYD will be interesting and will make people think more and hype less.

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@kutrix2010]

Just re-draw the chart with 120kmh range gained instead of kWh and Tesla goes back for the win. Efficiency is king.

[@michaelrichter2528]

Yes, but imagine a Tesla model with the same amazing efficiency and the faster charging speed of the Hyundai.

[@ChiefGeorgi]

Nope, the out of spec guys showed in their 10%-Challenge that your comment is wrong. time capped 15 min charging from 10% and then driving at 80mi/h. the most efficient spec tesla M3 with 18" (106mi, 19" 100mi) is behind 2 specs of the taycan (4s Turismo 156mi, LR 140mi), lucid air GT (144mi) and 2 specs of hyundai ioniq 6 (18" 141, 20" 117mi). So at least one test proving tesla fanboys wrong ;)

[@jonchrisvallente3460]

in The Philippines, Tesla officially launched around November 8, 2024. with Model 3 and Model Y only.

[@Kavyatej]

flat charging curve = limited by electronics slopey charging curve = limited by battery

[@dominik4503]

Now Hyundai only needs to get as efficient as Tesla is and it would be superb. Ioniq only takes full charging speed at Batt min. 25°C

[@verygoodbrother]

The ioniq 6 is efficient. The ioniq 5 is not as efficient as the Model Y but is still pretty good. They favoured styling with Ioniq 5 over max efficiency.

[@dominik4503]

@@verygoodbrother well.. I got an Ioniq5 myself. The consumption is crap and all the cars in the pipelines from Hyundai are also design based, which is stupid in the electrical age. And the Ioniq 6 is not useable compared to either the 5 or the Model Y. So that doesn't help, either. Little usable space on a car using 10m² road.

[@NO3V]

@@verygoodbrother The Ioniq 6 also has no luggage space and looks like a special needs toddler designed it while on crack.

[@susihormon7821]

we know this for about 3 years. a pity that Korea can't fix the ICCU in all 800V Koreas. So better don't buy one now.

[@thebasictimes]

OK, so let me get this straight Hyundai with a big battery. Will charge faster cost more and cover less miles? Tesla cost less charge at the same kind of speed and cover more distance?

[@zhongxina3920]

Use u r brain sir

[@thebasictimes]

@@zhongxina3920 I think it’s you that is supposed to do that 😂

[@zhongxina3920]

@@thebasictimes 🤡🤡🤡👌👍

[@zhongxina3920]

@@thebasictimes Vous êtes une personne attardée qui ne sait pas quelle pile est la meilleure, au lithium ou au nickel.

[@Mrback2k9]

We have to wait for a OTA update maybe Tesla get a better charging curve ;)

[@oscarblancoseco]

Not gonna happen

[@patrickfavier4310]

Model Y RWD blade battery has 170kW flat up to 54%SoC.. the battery being a fair bit smaller, but is very much comparable to the Koreans.

[@hardywoodaway9912]

but the amount of energy isn’t the same…

[@tesla-spectre]

Well no surprise when battling 400V against 800V architecture. I prefer the very smooth and even charging curve of the Model Y. Plus, I know it needs to be proven, but I prefer not to go much over 2C because I think it is not great for the battery.

[@bjornnyland]

800 V doesn't give it flatter curve vs 400 V.

[@airestocky]

just drive 1000 miles and see what car reaches first destination…efficiency is king

[@sunseeker-yb5qt]

Check Björns Q6 Etron vs MY LR both at same temps the Q6 is faster in 1000km even with higher consumption. On top of that the boring aged Tesla design, poor driver assist systems etc thats why Tesla sales are behind VW and BMW in 2024 so far in Germany.

[@jghall00]

Not always. If a car is 50% less efficient but charges 50% faster, that would be break even.