Devil May Cry 3 Impressed Me - DMC3 Review

[@HyveMindsGames]

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[@GilgameshofBabylon]

Yeah don't worry. I'm pretty sure everyone considers Arkham a terrible fight. But as Vergil said, "You don't possibly believe he deserves to be our main event."

[@Shadow.24772]

arkham is a nightmare in Dante must Die mode. ONLY because in the second part of the fight you dont have a transformation anymore, nor the style. had to cheese it by just stading far, shooting and jumping to not get hit by those annoying projectiles.

[@gerogedamon1573]

Arkham fight could be played multiplayer, P2 could control Vergil by presing START on a 2nd controller. That alone made it great in my book, me and my friends used to replay the hell out of that fight for this reason.

[@thegreenmessor3809]

@@gerogedamon1573 It's available for all versions of DMC3.

[@gerogedamon1573]

@@thegreenmessor3809 I'm not sure what you mean ? Never said this was exclusive to a certain version of the game.

[@thegreenmessor3809]

@@gerogedamon1573 , I think I was being a bit dumb when I posted that.

[@Sephy723]

"I'm not entirely sure what Vergil was going to do with the tower.." *cuts to Arkham unlocking the power of Sparda sealed away within the tower* That. That was his plan. He didn't care about the merging of the human world & the demon world. He just wanted to take Sparda's power for himself which he could reach by unsealing the tower first, it just so happened that Arkham was planning the same thing from the get-go.

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

I think he wanted to kill Mundus

[@marcosdheleno]

vergil's plan was pretty simple, summon the tower, kill(or defeat) his brother, so he can pick his amulet, remove the seal, so he can get to his father sword, use the amulet to power said sword to its original power, use that to kill mundus. summoning the tower works on the 3 things he want, it serves as lure to his brother, it allows him to take the sword and finally, it removes the seal, making him able to cross into the demon world to kill the guy who killed his mother.

[@mitchlucker9150]

Where was it told that Vergil wanted to kill Mundus? I can't recall it, and canonicaly we didn't know his existance

[@Demonboy007]

@@mitchlucker9150 It does happen at the very end of the game. So more than likely Vergil knew, but Dante didn't. Or Dante never told us until the first game (considering DMC5, not crazy...)

[@goji253]

@@mitchlucker9150 Honestly, I don't believe Vergil wanted to go to the Underworld to kill Mundus. He may have wanted him dead, but I don't believe it was his intention to meet him when he did. If that was his actual primary goal, I believe he would have told Dante. The cutscene we saw is probably more like a situational thing, where Vergil met the demon responsible for slaughtering his mother and ruining his life, so he just HAD to fight him even if he was exhausted and wounded. (which arguably lead to his "death" and enslavement. So that's just another sign it was a heat of the moment pride decision and not his actual plan)

[@mauricefaurron7798]

"I'm not entirely sure what [Vergil] was going to do with the tower" Well it's obvious, he just wants MORE POWER

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

Okay. Then what? Edit: I mean I obviously know what then, but I mean after that. Disclaimer: To everyone who keeps replying to me, I perfectly understand Vergil's motives to begin with. My point in asking "Then what?" was to question what exactly is he aiming to do if he were to ever accomplish his goals. It's less of a question of curiosity and more so an opening for discussion on his possible end goals.

[@gabszz]

Vergil and dante story and why their personality are like that, and what their goals really are, all of that have to do with their mother death and how that affected them in different ways. dante is extroverted always trying to have fun, making jokes and messing around with enemies and acting like he doesn't care about nothing, just to hide the sadness that he feels inside, that's the dante in the begining of DMC3, he wants to fight demons to occupy his mind from the sadness and guilt of losing his mother, and meeting lady and seeing her struggle against her own father, makes dante see his own struggle against his past and against his brother, and in the middle of the game he found his purpose because of lady. vergil is cold and collected because he feels responsible about his mother death, because he couldn't protect her, he didn't had the power, or the strength to fight, that's why vergil wants power in DMC 3, to never lose something important to him again

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

@@gabszz I already know that part. I'm talking about Virgil's end goal. You know, after he supposedly defeats Dante. What then? What exactly is he going to do with all that power if he has no one to use it against? That's what I'm getting at.

[@elapidpython4378]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I honestly don't think Vergil has an end goal the KZbinr champion analysis has a video that goes more into the psychology behind the actions of the characters in the games I recommend watching them but in a nutshell, Vergil wants more power so that he will never feel inferior to anyone ever again he is not really seeking power to achieve something but instead is using it as a coping mechanism for the loss of his mother so he really has no end goal. It's kind of like someone self-medicating their depression with alcohol just replace alcohol with demonic power as he has never actually gotten past that moment in his life and he thinks that seeking the power that made Sparda the legend that he was will fix how he feels about that moment.

[@Roymoney1998]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 The power isn't to use against anyone per se he literally just wants it to feel secure in himself. When they were kids Vergil was manhandled by demons and according to a dream he had in the DMC3 prequel manga pinned to a grave with his own sword. He wants to ensure he is the strongest creature in existence it isn't about challenge to him like many other characters. He just wants power to ensure that he remains secure and safe.

[@alexsattar4623]

Arkham is 100% trash, you’re right on that. One thing I think you may have glossed over, is that the second half of the Arkham fight takes away your Devil Trigger and replaces your style move with Vergil teleporting to you. Taking away two key game mechanics and replacing one spontaneously is really asking too much for anyone. It’s ridiculous. The other bosses are okay, and I think you’re right on the gimmicky ones like Geryon, the worm, Jester, The Doppelgänger and Leviathan. Most of these guys are pretty mediocre, if not outright bad. And that foggy octopus is THE WORST enemy in the entire series, right next to the infected chopper in DMC2. And Bob Barbas from the Reboot is basically a better version of Jesters battles. Jester done right. And if the Reboot wasn’t filled with gimmicky boss battles almost in its entirety, I think Bob Barbas would stand out even more as to how creative you can be with a gimmicky boss. While DMC 3 is one of my favourite games of all time, your criticisms really bring to light a lot of issues I’ve ignored or tolerated just because the rest of the game is that damn good. All in all everything you said was very fair.

[@alexjoe5914]

yeah but the cool thing about fighting with virgil when you're fighting arkham is if you have a 2nd controler and a extra buddy that like the game you can have him control virgil and that fight becomes one of the easyest i'ts also fun to do that with dante shadow

[@lukaszboczar2441]

L

[@alwaysxnever]

Couldn't have said it better. Well stated.

[@Tenchigumi]

The foggy octopus (Soul Eater, I think?) definitely fell into the "why do you even exist?" category for me, as they were antithetical to anything that made DMC fun, but at least they were easy to kill with Spiral or E&I. And the boss form of "why do you even exist" would be the Doppleganger, who, again, was just contrary to anything that made DMC fun; it was just a chore that could randomly take longer if the boss decides to do nothing but close lights all day. But for me, the worst regular enemy were those friggin' Fallen (the floaty angel demons with tummy teeth). They were like the classic Sin Scissors inhow they would just float into the environment where they couldn't be touched, had a guard mechanic that made them excessively durable, and had gimmicks to overcome said guard mechanics. But Fallen had waaaay more health, exploited that health by floating in a circular pattern that made them harder to hit, and could nuke you from off-stage with exploding spears. This was mostly fixed in DMC4 with Mephistos and Fausts, who were still a pain in the ass, but were satisfying to squish once you understood how to steal their mist cloaks.

[@Raikiri103]

There's something just very unfun about Arkham. He's like the only boss on DMD where I'm like "ok fine, I'll use a Vital Star" and don't feel bad about it. He's such a long slog, it goes on forever, it feels like the only fight that punishes you for trying to play Devil May Cry how it should be, fun and stylish, by taking away all your cool styles, Devil Trigger and the tech that comes with both.

[@imarock.7662]

Yeah, don't worry about the "right" way to play DMC. DMC is all about playing the way you want, and having stylish fun while doing so.

[@1theprince1]

Until you see donguri at play which will then make you feel like trash for thinking you were even close to being good at the game therefore motivating you to go even further and find your own playstyle.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

@@1theprince1 Or just continue playing the game however you like. There is no right or wrong way to play the game. I mean, unless of course you just want to spam buttons all of the time.

[@1theprince1]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 Correct, but i don't get why you're replying about wrong or right ways to play games in a general term to my comment when i was specifically talking about Dmc 3/4/5. You either haven't seen Donguri at play or have never played a Dmc game ever. There's nothing wrong with watching a high level player at work and get motivated by it. I really don't get the point of your comment.

[@Zangelin]

@Adam J. Harper Dude youre insufferable. Don't be that guy.

[@johnromero6315]

@Adam J. Harper The whole point of DMC3-5 is self expression. There's literally no "right" way to play these games. The game gives you more tools than you could possibly need and just tells you to use what you like. "Getting good" comes with time and practice, but has nothing to do with the way you decide to play.

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

Levels of depth in the DMC games DMC1 - A swimming pool DMC2 - A puddle DMC3 - The pacific ocean DMC4 - The entire sea DmC - The great lakes DMC5 - If Earth's water levels raised and engulfed every continent.

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

What about DMC3 with a full loadout and style switcher?

[@sheercold26]

4 is deeper than 5...

[@ampsywampsy9182]

@@sheercold26 ????

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@Basedlander it isn't. You have less weapons than 3 and half are dogshit (rebellion in 4 feels so limp and Lucifer has a terrible moveset, and gilgamesh is just beowulf again)

[@dankerbell]

@@sheercold26 huh??? distortion is hardly depth (just another "press the button at the right time" and wasn't intentional at first) and inertia is not intentional and only accessed by the most obsessive players

[@rentedguccimink1948]

9:00 Hideaki Itsuno did consider style switching in combat, but he ran into a couple of issues. The first was being limited by the Ps2's hardware. The 2nd was more of a game design issue. He wanted to ease players into the new concept of style switching and felt it might've been throwing too much at the player to implement "on-the-fly" style switching.

[@dazitmane8905]

It's quite mind-blowing that a game of this proportions was even possible on the PS2. Even more surprising is that it was only 4 years after the first DMC yet the 2 feel like very different games. PS2 gamers were really blessed in 2005 to have two hack and slash classics in God of War and Devil May Cry 3.

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@@dazitmane8905 it’s because game devs didn’t solely rely on high ram and such. They used things creatively to maximize gameplay, while minimizing the size of the game. Just the norm for the golden age of gaming. In fact this was one of the last games from that era. 2006 was the end of it for sure.

[@SolidSnake240]

@@dazitmane8905 Also Ninja Gaiden on Xbox.

[@ultimatebro5719]

@@dazitmane8905 even more mind blowing when you consider games like Shadow of The Colossus, GTA San Andreas and Metal Gear Solid 3 were also developed for PS2. Developers were extremely talented back then and pushed the limits of what a game can be and most of these games ran on 60fps with no issues

[@bestagox]

@@ultimatebro5719 look for the evil floating point bit hack of Quake 3 lol..dev were skilled for real

[@imarock.7662]

As much as I love DMC3 there's a good amount of bosses, (especially Arkham ugh) and enemies that just aren't fun to fight, or are just annoying. Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

[@achair7958]

Ikr. I became a DMC fan after I became an adult, so I can't help but feel that other DMC fans have some nostalgia goggles towards DMC3, as good as it is

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

@@achair7958 3 had a more complete and much better narrated story. Oh, and the level design.

[@iloveemiliaandrem9443]

This comment tells me you didn't learn how to jump cancel while using Beowulf.

[@imarock.7662]

@@iloveemiliaandrem9443 I did, but alright...

[@iloveemiliaandrem9443]

@@imarock.7662 well what enemies did you have trouble with then . let guess is one of them the demon who charges and shoots while running away from you.

[@PlainLightning]

Trickster is fine don't worry about how others view your gameplay. Even the best DMC combo mad fiends had a first playthrough where they played "Wrong" too. Funny how you mention DMD Arkham, Mission 19 DMD is the Christian mission, cause you know I'm spamming Holy Water.

[@snakeyesz]

you know everyone was getting Baptiste

[@absoutezeo2126]

The only wrong way to play these games is to play it in a way that isn't fun for you. I really, really believe that. The whole point of it having as many options as it does is to allow you to craft your own playstyle and go through the game your own way. If you like playing defensively with more dodges or just enjoy seeing Dante flip around and teleport more than you do getting him to do more damage, etc. then that's still a perfectly valid way to play the game.

[@spacecatghostboi776]

I don’t get why trickster is so wrong, it’s an overhaul in terms of racking up combos and looking clean while doing it

[@emilior934]

@@spacecatghostboi776 I think its because it becomes a button masher when you have trickster, while royal guard requires perfect frame pulls to actually make it work. You just need to mash it in the middle of your combo to avoid an enemy's attack. But I use it only to speed run the game, during fights I only use the 3 lvl move that teleport you behind the enemy. I give myself a disadvantage to make the trickster style more challenging, since you already do roll outs with the jump button. Just play to your liking.

[@itsallfunky4591]

I caught Donburi's first playthrough of DMC 5. He died several times on the second to last mission. And I've seen people that you could say are decent doing it on their first tries. But again, Donburi, with his prefered character, several deaths.

[@elapidpython4378]

Hyve Minds "two weapons is just fine" Hideaki Itsuno creating irregular full custom "Hold my beer"

[@Shadow.24772]

best feature 5th game came up with.

[@valentds]

devil may cry 3 switch edition: style swich mode!

[@MrHalchemist]

@@valentds You know, he mentioned that DMC3 should have let you access all these things whenever you want instead of going to a statue, but honestly imo I imagine this game being a grotesque pushover if you could do that. The level 3's of these styles were pretty op by themselves. Also, are you able to switch to Quicksilver and Doppleganger as well??? If so... GG DMC3 lmao! The enemies were not designed to handle that amount of ass-whooping, even on DMD.

[@Comkill117]

Shadow I mean it was in 4 first.

[@darkslayer7001]

@@Shadow.24772 Not at all because it's almost unnecessary. The 3 swords are the same, except that DSD is the best one. The guns are the same, dual kalina Ann is the best of the 3 and it has no sense to equip them all. I think that it's a great idea but it could be better with more weapons and guns.

[@gabszz]

That is much more about the story and characters in the DMC3 that you could see it, Vergil and dante story and why their personality are like that, and what their goals really are, all of that have to do with their mother death and how that affected them in different ways. dante is extroverted always trying to have fun, making jokes and messing around with enemies and acting like he doesn't care about nothing, just to hide the sadness that he feels inside, that's the dante in the begining of DMC3, he wants to fight demons to occupy his mind from the sadness and guilt of losing his mother, and meeting lady and seeing her struggle against her own father, makes dante see his own struggle against his past and against his brother, and in the middle of the game he found his purpose because of lady. vergil is cold and collected because he feels responsible about his mother death, because he couldn't protect her, he didn't had the power, or the strength to fight, that's why vergil wants power in DMC 3, to never lose something important to him again

[@Neogears1312]

Honestly if you look into it there's more than enough signs to show that in the original game Vergil was spouting bs on top of the tower. The game shows that Dante and Vergil more or less have the same issue about lying to themselves. throughout the first half of the game Dante keeps refusing to acknowledge his demonic heritage even denying what he knows about himself unlike 1 where he says he knew as a child he was demonic, and denying he has a father. while vergil is pretending he has a deep reason for wanting power other than a lust for it, saying he needs it to protect people and yet he's only hurting his remaining family through out the game, he stabs Arkham solely because he didn't kill his daughter immediately as arkham stabbing him in the back had no lead up, and shows no signs of genuinely wanting to protect anything, even himself; as he recklessly throws himself at everything including Mundus because of his ego. The big thing that separates them is that Dante does things the hard way. Vergil skips to the top of the tower, Dante climbs it. Dante accepts both parts of his bloodline, Vergil runs harder from it, lashing out when his petty motives are pointed out in the final fight, Dante endures attacks at him and makes a friend who helps him, Vergil starts with an "Ally" and he stabs him in the back mainly so he doesn't have to split the loot. Dante clears the underworlds Legion's and its puzzles to track down Arkham, Vergil just walks by everything that Dante had to resolve. and because of that dante learns more about himself on the hero's journey and grows stronger, while vergil frankly just coasts off his talent and keeps believing the lie he told himself.

[@Umbran]

Wonderful and well articulated comments from the both of you.

[@NineOh9]

That's why DMC5's plot works for me. It's Vergil essentially going through DMC3

[@kareemmasri3934]

NineOh9 yeah, the reveal of V made me realize that 5 is the closest thing we’ll get to a Virgil game (Virgils Downfall non-withstanding)

[@infamousplayer8772]

@@NineOh9 great analogy. Yes, anyone who has ever played a Devil May Cry game in their lives will see most of the plot coming from a mile away but it still works very well.

[@Zubatticus]

Glad you ended up liking DMC3! The appeal to a good DMC title is going in blind, seeing the high skill ceiling, feeling like you only scratched the surface of the mechanics, and wanting to go back for more.

[@Thalanox]

Styles and style switching was NOT something they just hadn't thought of yet at this point. Styles and not being able to swap them during missions was the only way they could put all of Dante's expanded movesets into the game because of the very limited amount of RAM the PS2 had.

[@hsmreu]

How much ram did the ps2 have? Like 2 mb? Xd.

[@Thalanox]

@@hsmreu I did a quick check online, and it seems the PS2 had 32 MB of RAM. I remember reading articles talking about what Developers considered the most important limitations of the consoles that they had to design around, and the amount of RAM that was available to them was at or near the top of the list.

[@hsmreu]

@@Thalanox Must been complex and hard to develop this game. Looks pretty good. But, 32 mb... Now I understand why they couldn't add style switcher. Thanks for the information. Have a nice day.

[@passingrando6457]

@@hsmreu Yeah, people don't realize how much memory space jumped in the 2000s. Ps2 had 32 mb ram, the Ps3 had 512mb. Ps4 had 8gb. Related fun fact: When it came to memory, PCs at the time were usually a generation ahead of consoles (gaming PCs had 32mb ram when the ps1 came out, 512mb by the ps2, 2gb by the ps3, by which point it started being a bit more balanced), which is why you had PC purists then being really bitchy about what used to be PC games becoming multiplatform; it meant the majority of PC games now had their map sizes shrunk, number of entities on screen reduced, etc. Etc.

[@jamesmiranda1449]

DMC3 is good n all... I liked it. But, IMO, all of the Devil May Cry's after DMC1 were not that good because they were too complicated, had TOO many moves(too anime-y), & just didn't have that dark gothic atmosphere that the 1st one captured perfectly! DMC1 actually had the most realistic backgrounds and fights, most demonic enemies (& backgrounds. Towards the end you enter Hell & unholy crap is it scary/exciting & cool!), most shocking & epic moments (& comedy) without going totally overboard &/or cheesy(*cough*DMC5, from the start! And they kill Dante!), and it had the best graphics before the PS3/4 games, which each are just a ball of cheese rolled in cheese. It's also very challenging to beat Dante Must Die mode the first time(pre-Super Dante, which is an amazing reward w/infinite devil trigger!)! It also offers a more personalized sense of style & combat with just the 2 main weapons(Alastor & Ifrit; dope lightning sword & dope fire gauntlets), which each have their own personalized, completely different moveset, strengths & weaknesses, & devil trigger abilities! That's all you needed! Not hundreds of other things to learn. That's annoying. I realize they wanted more money & couldn't just copy the same game, but DMC1 is my favorite of the series, overall the best, & in my top 5 of favorite games of all time! IMO, DMC3 is totally overrated & can be too confusing, both story-wise and where to go/environment-wise. DMC1 is just still underrated & under appreciated. It is a legendary game that to this day is nearly perfect & is very enjoyable to play! And I miss Shadow Cats, dammit! 😡

[@dandelyon1830]

As much as I freaking love this game, I'll admit that your complaints are valid, especially in the combat section. This game has some of the best bosses, so it's easy to forget it also has some of the most mediocre bosses as well

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

@Reggielacey 223 Your intelligence is equivalent to a donkey's turd.

[@chrismanning2888]

@@supersbbrawl4ever Don't even bother with this guy. I already dealt with him in the DMC2 review. He apparently can't take criticism no matter how valid it is...or know that people have an opinion

[@Logansplayhouse7]

@Reggielacey 223 DURRRR HE CRITICIZED MY FAVORITE GAME DURRRRRRR

[@josesanroman1988]

I still feel 3's worst bosses are on par with any from the 4th game, even considering the old arcade like pattern memory thing. But again, I felt 4 was pretty bad on everything except fighting system

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

@@josesanroman1988 Credo was an amazing boss, one of the best in the series.

[@calemr]

Your ability to A: Change your opinion on things, and B: separate your subjective issues from the objective ones, is very laudable. I look forward to your further videos, and thank you for this one.

[@johnromero6315]

The whole reason I even like this series is the self-expression it allows. Anyone that tells you how you "need" to play these games doesn't know what they're talking about. If you think trickster is the best, then that's probably what you should use. I always stuck to sword master or quicksilver, personally.

[@96ayasaki]

I'll tell new players about enemy step, jump i-frames and how important they are, but after that go nuts, do dumb shit.

[@johnromero6315]

@@96ayasaki I dont see a problem with that, but I prefer to let people figure these things out. When my buddy first got dmc3, I let him play blind and just answered any questions he came up with.

[@96ayasaki]

@@johnromero6315 Oh of course I'm not going to info dump a bunch of tech in the laps of someone that's never played before. If I see them starting to struggle or start getting frustrated in a boss fight I'll ask if they want some tips.

[@nooneok3145]

No. These videos have shown me DmC is by far the best game. I will stick to that one.

[@johnromero6315]

@@nooneok3145 Then you must not have seen DMC5. I like the reboot just fine, but it's got more than it's fair share of flaws.

[@DaddysFlipside]

Arkham's the worst. Everyone hates him lmao. Worst boss in the modern series (3. 4, 5)

[@sminem777]

I think I dislike agnus in 4 more than arkham

[@iker-jk2096]

@@sminem777 i mean, Agnus' boss battle is more fun, it isn't the best, but you can have some very cool things and kick Agnus' ass is nice

[@MrJonniman007]

i would say the savior carries that title

[@iker-jk2096]

@@MrJonniman007 i mean, at least you can deal with the savior without too much problem and fast. Arkham in general is just a constant pain in the ass.

[@ianalicando3548]

Arkham is just tedious, you can dodge most of his attacks EXCEPT the tentacle projectiles which have 50/50 chance of hitting you dealing tons of damage or not at all. It’s confusing, sometimes unpredictable, I can dodge it for the first half of the fight with Trickster and heal up with DT but when Vergil comes, it’s cool at first but on harder difficulties, your style is disabled and your dodging strategy is ruined. But Arkham being bad means he ain’t the main event, it was how he was designed, he isn’t worthy of Sparda’s power

[@rustygear447]

DMC3 has it's flaws, but somehow the fans tend forget them because the good parts are just so great. What people miss about DMC3 that makes it so great, is how they design the particle effect, sound effect, and combat moves to work together to create extremely satisfying combat experience even for new players. Every slash of your sword on to the sin demons creates huge splash of sand or blood, and loud impact sound. Combine that with the mashing mechanic and you get something insane. Doing something like Agni&Rudra's million slash on 3 enemies at once while hearing Agni&Rudra laugh in the background as you chop down the demons senselessly will drown out every thought in your mind leaving you with nothing but pure satisfaction.

[@FrodoMaster1996]

Arkham isn't easy. I've seen lots of great dmc players agreeing on one thing, Arkham is cancer. The fight is really unfortunate, even the second part when you lose the style button. So, no sane individual would call you out for that. Glad you enjoyed it. My favorite thing in the game (of many) is to do Agni and Rudra combo 3 and spam the attack button to do the super extended combo on a couple of enemies, so satisfying...

[@achair7958]

Arkham is legit a busted boss.

[@m3rl1on]

i honestly think i would face a Sparda-like boss fight, but then he turn into a cancerous blob lol its like staring into a backed up toilet.

[@MrTheil]

Arkham was such a goddamn chore lmao

[@jamiewilliams5309]

It's the aim bot projectiles, same sort of story when Beowulf actually desides to use them. So irritating on higher difficulties to avoid.

[@nathanwhiting5475]

Hes easy if you exploit the combat systems in an unintended way. But if your trying to be stylish and have fun fighting him... good fucking luck.

[@KashKey-]

Honestly, I think you undersell the story of this game. Other than that though, excellent video over all. Glad you're still into this series.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

The story is good, but it's not amazing. Still, I do wish he talked about it a bit more. Or at least talked about Lady some more.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

It's better on deconstruction than on a surface-level experience. Which isn't necessarily a good thing, but it does mean that a good story exists here.

[@smgyro1476]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 It is pretty amazing actually. There is a lot of subtlety in between all the crazy spectacle. Dante learns alot and becomes a much deeper character after his interactions with Lady. He breaks out of his tunnel vision on his own suffering when he sees Lady's determination to end Arkham because of, not only her desire for vengeance, but also because she feels responsible for his actions as her father. Dante learns to embrace all aspects of himself and his family legacy. He matures and becomes responsible because he comes to realize that his father's legacy of defending humanity is worth protecting and embracing for himself (Lady is the one who shows him this, remember the line "because of you I know what's important now"), understanding that it is a goal worth pursuing just as much as avenging his mother is. When he comes to understand the deeds of his father and comes to grip with the fact that Sparda, a demon, fought for the good of mankind, he finally embraces both the demonic and human aspects of himself when in the beginning of the game he rejected his father's heritage. This is why he gains the drive to stop Vergil from destroying that legacy all for a meaningless search of power, even if it would mean killing him. DMC 4 and 5 show us that there is something special in humanity that gives them strength despite their weak bodies and I believe it's the drive to protect what you love, compassion (Remember what Dante says to Urizen when he asks why Dante is so strong, that'll show you what I mean). It's why Dante defeats Vergil in their final bout. He had something greater than himself to fight for, a family legacy he wanted to protect, and, in the end, came to believe in both the good of humanity and his demonic heritage, while Vergil rejects his humanity and has tried to stop himself from feeling compassion or becoming attached to anyone (for good reason). Dante, understanding why Vergil has become calloused, wants to save his brother, hoping that maybe he could get through to him if he gets the chance, but in the end he can't stop his brother from falling to darkness, literally. See what I mean? Silly fun, balanced by deep thoughtful story telling. Fantastic.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

@@smgyro1476 Dude. I don't need you to explain to me the basic premise of Devil May Cry. Trust me. I've heard it several times now by people who assume I don't have even the slightest clue of what the story is about. It's really annoying. And for the record, that still doesn't strike me as "amazing". I guess it is compared to what came before in the previous DMC games, but in comparison to other games like God of War, nothing really special. But maybe I'm doing it a disservice comparing it to other things. Even on its own though, it's just... okay. It kinda sucks that this is one of the few times that DMC actual gives us a good story. But still it's not anything ground breaking. It just works for what it is and that's fine. I really don't understand the extreme praise behind DMC 3's story. It's good, but it's not great. That's just my opinion though.

[@SuperWHIIITE]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I don't think most people think DMC3 has the greatest deepest story ever told. It's no Silent Hill 2, alright? It's a fairly simple straightforward coming of age action story. But I think what makes it so noteworthy is how good the story was told. The execution is top notch especially for action games at the time. And it's a story that uses the medium of it being a videogame to tell itself in a unique way with (in my opinion) some of the greatest pacing a game has ever had.

[@bakubladers]

Great review, I'm really glad someone addressed the issue of "most people who play this game aren't going to be insanely good at it, so it's important to review it as a newbie while keeping note that personal skill may or may not fix these issues" It's really nice to see more people looking into something praised so highly and giving a more objective view than the people who waited 10 years for a sequel.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

"Im not going to shell out 20 bucks for the switch version" Me: *immediately shells out 20 bucks on the switch version*

[@hsmreu]

Fuck yeah i did.

[@blyat8832]

Only reason to buy the switch version is style switch and the ability to use all the items. Other than that it's literally the same game, not really worth 20 bucks. Maybe 10 at most

[@literallymemoviesenjoyer]

just download style switch mod for pc, if you have dmc3 on pc.

[@flyingplatypus6688]

@@blyat8832 aren't you also able to co op bloody palace?

[@schemar17]

@@flyingplatypus6688 yes you can

[@carterh914]

I am interested to see how you're going to react to the main character of dmc4.

[@drew1768]

The Deadweight

[@carterh914]

@@drew1768 ....

[@ardipithicus4660]

@@drew1768 lolol

[@carterh914]

@Hamza hossam i know.

[@jacobatron504]

I wasn’t a fan of him in 4, but I really warmed up to him in 5

[@matthewryder343]

Hyve Minds: "I'm not gonna shell out 20 bucks for one new feature on a game that I already own." Me: _Buys a Switch for the DMC3 port_

[@kingofvoid007]

imagine how awesome it wouldve been if mission 19 was arkham(sparda form) vs dante and then joined by vergil. Fucking epic

[@mikelramirez9003]

Fantastic video! Been wating for this one. Before you get into DMC 4, I'd like to present you with some context about it. Hideaki Itsuno, the man took charge as director of DMC from 3 and on, stated that after DMC 3, he felt that he did all he could for the series and Dante's character. DMC 3 was supposed to be the last DMC. However, when the 7th generation of consoles came around, it was demanded by Capcom that a 4th game be released. Since Itsuno was the only experienced director for these games, they put him into the position. There was a problem though. For whatever reason, Devil May Cry 4 was only given the same amount of budget that DMC 3 had. Which is nowhere near sufficient enough for a next gen title. They even took all of the profit they made from the Special Edition version of DMC 3 and put it into 4s budget. Keep this context in mind as it'll explain a lot when you finally sit down and play 4. It's an interesting game to say the least. Once again, fantastic video. There are many high level players in the DMC community that are very kind and all around sweethearts. However, like with any fandom, there's always a toxic bunch. Please don't let them ruin your enjoyment of these games and any game for that matter. DMC has it especially bad. Considering how unique of a series it is, in regards to it's very strange development, and the nature of the games themselves.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

You forgot the fact that 4 was also supposed to get a whole other year but do to Inafune's westernazation push it was apart of a complete overhall on Capcom's flagship titles.

[@mikelramirez9003]

@@M7S4I5L8V2A That too.

[@lukatesija6718]

Hey my dude, I'm kinda late with the reply, but hey, better late then never lol I just wanted to say that I feel bad that there isn't more like buttons so I could like this comment over and over again. Exactly my thoughts. DMC (3rd part in this case, obviously) is a game that is ment to be played by YOUR LIKENING. I swear, there is nothing more frustrating than seeing these morons who keep saying that SSS bullshit is important. Yes, it's implemented in the game to keep track of your diversity in combat, but nothing else. I'm saying this because there are new players who get discouraged by seeing comments from these fucktards. You can litteraly beat the whole game with Rebellion combo 1, end of story. Another thing that I keep seeing from these idiots. You are also apparently a piece of crap if you didn't beat the game on DMD mode... With an SS rank, if I might add lol As you already said. Awesome fucking franchise with most elitist prick fans.

[@OwenFinlay2000]

I’ve been waiting for this video forever! Glad to be finally watching it :)

[@fobo3361]

Whenever i have trickster equipped i always forget its there, because my panic buttons always just jumping away whenever i see an enemy attacking, and prefer the extra attacks swordmaster gives, but thats whats so cool about the game, there's just so many ways to play it

[@ExaltedUriel]

What you said near the end about breaking out of those "self-imposed house rules" making the game more fun is what happened with me and Bayonetta. I had already played through every DMC game, and thought I could beat Bayonetta pretty easily but even on Normal trying to go through the whole game without using any healing items is BRUTAL. Whereas DMC feels like it was balanced around not using items (hence why DMCV got rid of them entirely sans Gold Orbs) Bayonetta does not, unless you completely master it and never take damage.

[@Walamonga1313]

I literally just finished Bayonetta for the first time yesterday (Normal mode) and it doesn't give you healing in game at all like DMC. The very very rare healing "orbs" you get heal you for pathethic amounts lol

[@ExaltedUriel]

@@Walamonga1313 That's what I meant when I said DMC felt more balanced about not using items; in all games when you enter Devil Trigger you slowly regenerate health (a cool detail is that Vergil ALSO regenerates health in DT in his 2nd and 3rd fights!), and on top of that when you kill enemies in DT they have a higher chance of dropping Green Orbs. Bayonetta has no similar tranformation, and enemies dropping health is rare and not substantial, so expecting a totally new player to play the whole game on Normal difficulty without using items is less reasonable than asking them to do the same in almost any DMC game.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@ExaltedUriel as someone who played the original english release without using items, i agree. dont get me wrong, i suffered ALOT in certain bosses(A&R and nevan to exact, ironically, i was able to beat arkham pretty easily somehow).

[@syn7027]

Yeah with healing items on bayo, I resisted using then so much because I wanted to feel "good"

[@giovannistefanello6744]

The way that around 11:00 he starts to talk negatively about the game and the music shifts to giorno’s piano is so perfect

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

If someone is telling you to jump cancel on your first playthrough ignore them entirely. It's not as hard in 3 but that's wholly unnecessary and not at all needed to even get an SS in DMD, it would make things easier though. As for Trickster, I personally don't see the problem so long as you don't ignore the other mechanics entirely. I just think it's odd you say that it doesn't feel like enemies are built for Dante. Except for the ones you listed I think there's a response to every enemy and boss's gimmick no matter the style, some are just better than others. This fact is part of why people praise 3 so much and access to all styles break the difficulty a bit. I do think you're on the money about us fans just knowing these things is why would have an easier time than most. I personally understood the styles on my first playthrough but it took me most of that playthrough to get it. For that reason I'm glad you don't just start with Freestyle in the Switch port of 3. I've always thougt release order was best because you get that nice escalation in mechanics and that restriction in 3 makes sure you learn one style so you won't be as lost by the time of 4, the most mechanically demanding in the series.

[@jonnysac77]

M7 S4i5l8v2a Jump Cancel is very handy though?, not just for extending combos into infinity but it's also for escaping situations where you would've taken a hit, it's one of the best defensive moves you have in the air and your telling him to ignore people who tell him to use it?

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

@@jonnysac77 He needs to learn how to walk before he can run. He said it himself how little he explored personally. Maybe he can learn for 5 but he's barely able to in 3 and he sure as hell won't be able to in 4. The best we could hope from him is telling him that Enemy Step resets aerial moves but it's only really that strong in 4 and 5 where you have style switching. In addition to the fact that Eneny Step costs currency because of how powerful it is. He likely won't end up buying it until long after the reviews because of that. Again maybe in 5 but there's tons more for him to explore instead of buying Enemy Step for Dante and Nero. 5 has more moves than any any action game out there but all of the characters also share an Orb pool.

[@anthonyroberts7486]

I agree with you entirely. But I do hope he does it im DMC5 because its waaaayyy easier in that game, I went back to DMC3 to see if it was always that easy and nope I got my ass handed to me.

[@johnromero6315]

I totally agree with this. My first playthrough of DMC3 was a blast, and I never switched away from Swordmaster. I almost exclusively used agni and rudra/rebellion, and hardly touched the guns. I think developing your own playstyle and learning the game for yourself has a lot to do with what I like about these games. Eventually, i tried the other styles and started working new techniques and strategies into my gameplay, but I still feel unique because the core of my gameplay is definitely still coloured by my first playthrough.

[@jonnysac77]

M7 S4i5l8v2a I just think it's silly to say it's not needed for late game and higher difficulty playthroughs when it's one of your most powerful tools in the game, even if you only use it to jump away from enemies and bosses, it really isn't as hard as your presenting it, especially in 5 where the hitboxes are so ridiculously large

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

Actually the most interesting part of this review for me was hearing about the unflattering parts of the game. When you love a game so much, it's easy for everything to kind of blur together into a blob of awesomeness and forget or even discount the frustrations of that first playthrough (or onwards). Of course, your particular ability to convey and put together those points is also an important factor. As for 'haters', don't worry, it does not matter what you say, someone somewhere is going to find fault and sperg out about it, so might as well speak your mind. I've heard plenty of arguments of gameplay vs story in games, but I think both are important in different ways. Great gameplay is what's going to make a game _fun_ , a game to come back to again and and again. A powerful story is what's going to make a game memorable and epic, going to give it an emotional connection beyond that momentary feeling of pulling off a great combo. DMC3 for me is the best in the series and it does have a lot to do with the story. Both 4 and 5 did not 'tick off those boxes' for me. And yes, DMC3 is not the gold standard of story, but it is cogent and clear enough to make it's point, while building off of strong characters and the tension in their relationships. When it comes to the other games, I really don't care much for the story or perhaps even feel like cringing to it a lot of the time. In closing, the only thing I'd consider "bad" is using items. And it's got nothing to do with "who's cool and who's not cool" kind of dogma, it's about efficiency in resources and opportunities; the gameplay experience and difficulty balance. Especially as you now respawn from a checkpoint, dying to a boss is totally not a problem. It also works as a skill threshold. Consider what happens when relying on items to beat a boss: while using items you may beat _that_ boss, but what about the next one? It has the negative effect of stunting growth in the face of what generally would be (or at least ideally should be) a great opportunity to develop those skills. Worse of all, those items are competing with other, more "useful", things from your red orb pool. So now you're not getting access to more advanced moves or useful upgrades either. That's why consumable items in DMC feel out of place to me; they prevent people from experiencing all the game has to offer. At any rate, great review as always.

[@scivoid]

Worth the wait! Honestly, this review series feels very fresh just by your own perspective as someone who wasn't brought up to be a long time action game fan. I appreciate how you're trying to engage with all styles and mechanics that the game has to offer rather than just picking what works and sticking with it for the rest of the game. And yeah, don't worry too much about the DMC fandom shaming you for not being "good enough". DMC in both it's gameplay and community only exists to encourage you to do more rather than shame you for not doing enough.

[@poleon2003]

Yeah and besides I'm sure everyone was a noob at DMC games at some point to even when the games first came out so everyone has to start somewhere right?

[@akhlives2385]

One reason Arkham felt so bad could be the fact you were able to add a second player to control Virgil. I don't know if that is something all versions of the game could do, but the original did let someone join you for that fight. It was actually a super cool thing a friend and I realized so my memories of that fight aren't terrible because someone was able to jump in as Virgil.

[@joaovitordossantos814]

RIGHT?

[@Weebus]

Agni and Rudra is my favorite boss in the series, and one of my favorite fights of all time. It was the moment in the series where I realized, holy shit, this is something special. So how is it, that in a game with fights of that incredible quality, that damn worm bastard exists?? And seriously, don’t worry about what other people are gonna think. I used like 5 items on Vergil 3 and I still think the fight is an absolute masterpiece, even if I’m trash at it LOL

[@elephantt2077]

1:45 He was trying to obtain Sparda's power sealed within Force Edge. That was his main motive. After all, all that he wanted was power

[@alejo_reviews4414]

I beat this game for the first time yesterday and pretty much had the same experience as you did. I knew that there were all sorts of things to use and try out, but I got comfortable sticking to what I was most familiar with. It may seem strange to say, but my experience with this game reminded me of Sekiro. It was a fun yet challenging game that I made harder for myself. Rather than going back to grind for orbs and upgrading my stats/equipment, I just kept at it until I was good enough. I probably could've beaten it much sooner than it took me, but I felt happy knowing that I was capable of improving.

[@jarltrippin]

Devil May Cry is my favourite series and I don't think any fan, even the most hardcore ones, will disagree with you on the enemies. Unfortunately, 4 & 5 kinda continue this trend. There are still some good enemies but the annoying ones can really bring it down. These games fight themselves like that a lot. Even so, 4 & 5 feel _so_ fucking good to play, it's unreal. Man, I'm really liking this channel. You have a solid understanding of game design but you're open to other perspectives. It'd be interesting if at some point you gave Bayonetta a go. Not only are the enemies generally far better but it's one of the few franchises that can hold a candle to Devil May Cry. It was also created by the same guy, Hideki Kamiya.

[@goncalobaia1574]

"I need more tower"

[@TheyCallMeContra]

Pretty damn good review, easily one of the best I've ever seen for a game like this. Sub earned.

[@kanokanashimi3238]

Just wanna spill some story form my side: My GF is getting into DMC with the reboot on Human, while I played on Nephilim and beat Son of Sparda of DMC 5(the other ones on Normal) She is still improving but she also loves the series and plays the other games with me. Its a great time. And now to you: I'm happy you enjoy these games and I love these videos! Keep up the good work!

[@phobos5323]

15 years later, and DMC3 is still doing its job, redeeming its franchise, and action games as a whole, in the eyes of new players.

[@thehatman7051]

This is a great review, its always interesting to see reviews of Character Action Games by people with less experience in the genre, cause it reminds me of when I was first getting into it, and it's nice to see that perspective when people review these games. I am very interested to see your opinions of 4, cause while I would say its a good game, it's very... interesting, quality wise, since it has maybe the most intricate combat system in the series, but has a rushed story due to the team not being given enough development time.

[@bjrn559]

This is pretty amazing. For some unknown reason I thuoght about this video series again last night (including when the DMC3 video would come) and watched the DMC2 one, and then fell asleep to DMC1, only to wake up to DMC3 being here. Gonna enjoy the heck out of this when I get the time to watch it.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

The reason Action games never really surpassed 3 is because they never really had a chance to grow. You'll probably figure out why 4 doesn't surpass 3 but at the time other series also had their issues on top of the genre being pretty niche. Post 2010 we also had a bit of a drought with only Platinum Games being the only ones trying to push the genre while also being chained by other companies and held down by limited money. There wasn't really anyone else trying anything but them, Sony with GoW, THQ with Darksiders, and Team Ninja with Nioh. To me DMCV marks a new beginning of not just DMC but Action games in general. Today we have the comeback of DMC. NG in the form of Nioh, and Bayo on the horizon. Platinum also has some leeway and these games are being noticed and remembered. I don't think this is happening because of DMC but DMCV did come at a great time. I won't like everything in this new era but I do like that we have more people trying that aren't just the same people we've always relied on.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

The thing with God of War though is that while they were initially inspired by the DMC franchise, they branched out and became beasts of their own and didn't suffer from the same faults as DMC did in it's infancy.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 That can be said about all of the games I mentioned. What I'm looking forward to is some innovation or the reuse of older concpets done well or even better.

[@EmporerEmblem]

I'm gonna raise the point that for me personally 4SE does surpass 3SE, the depth of the gameplay is just absurd and fixes the few issues I have with 3SE, and the enemy variety is much better (excluding chimeras, chimeras are really bad). That said, DMC 3-5 are all absolutely fantastic, top of the genre games

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

@@EmporerEmblem DMC 4 does have better gameplay than DMC 3, but that's about the only thing that is does better than DMC 3.

[@EmporerEmblem]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 Which is enough for me to prefer it, since combat is the core of the game. I also prefer the variety in environments, the constant change in backdrop makes marathoning the story every now and then feel fresh

[@KimSulYong]

Yeah, I got into DMC last year, and hated it cuz I thought it was too hard. Turns out, forcing myself to not use any items and using only Royal Guard to impress imaginary naysayers was dumb when I still haven't yet figured out how the deep and diverse the combat was is pretty dumb. After throwing those unnecessary limitations away, the fun kicked in. Just really happy to know I was not the only one who felt this way first going in.

[@zer0rez_]

Until today I still pick up the controller to play some DMC3 especially for the Switch version. Capcom really nailed it for its high replay value

[@BranNextDoor973]

This is the Marnie theme from Sword and Shield in the background??! LOVE IT 😂 a man of culture.

[@furious_malic7808]

You’re 100 percent on the mark about dmc3! It’s a great game, but there is a lot of odd level design near the end of the game, and some bosses I felt like are annoying or enemies that are annoying and just aren’t fun. But the Vergil fights, Nevan, Cerberus, and agni and rudra are all great fights to combat some of the negatives of the game! I do wish enigmas and phasing through walls enemies could kick rocks! Good review dude! 👍

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

The enigmas that don't move are fine, the ones that run away can piss off though.

[@waltercomunello121]

Fun fact: did you know that each mission has its number written somewhere in the intro cutscene? I've been coming back to DMC3 after a few years; back then I used to perfect Trickster as soon as I could and then Air Trick the shit out of everything just to feel stylish (and to avoid damage). Now I realize I was a total noob as I learned to switch weapons while experimenting with styles such as Quicksilver and Doppelganger to beat easier bosses like Leviathan, and I'm having a blast. In the meantime I try to learn Royalguard as best as I can because holy hell, that style has huge potential to be THE ultimate slaying style. It *only* requires mastering parrying enemy attacks, but after you've built enough anger you can *annihilate* even the most powerful boss in a couple of hits. When I manage to kill a Hell Vanguard with a Just Release Dante just appears behind its corpse, then I make him stand there still for a couple instants like some badass bushido final technique when the samurai sheathes his sword and the enemy falls apart. It's awesome. And I still have to uncover Gunslinger and Swordmaster. I'm at mission 18, not planning to beat the game any time sooner (mission 20 just frightens me, hands down), just coming back at previous missions and warming up well (trying to understand as many things I can about all styles, weapons and guns) before "the main event". All in all yeah, by my personal experience, Trickster is a good style if you're learning the basics, but if you wanna have real fun, try and experiment EVERYTHING. It's totally worth it. You'll eventually come up with _your own style_ . I've even been using Kalina Ann even if in my very first playthroughs I've been outright ignoring it all along, but the massive splash damage and shockwave can make short story of a bunch of lesser foes in an instant (and clear up an elevator in a couple of hits *hint hint* ).

[@SeventhGenGamer]

Glad to hear from you again during these rough times man. And whew this is a rough, but fair review. While I don't completely agree with everything I'm glad you enjoyed the game. DMC3 is probably my 3rd favorite after 1 and 4. I'm in that small group of people who like the extra challenge that comes with not being able to switch styles in 3. Having to stick with the loadout that you have and use it to the best of your abilities was always fun for me. It made DMC3 stand out and thats saying a lot considering 1 and 4 are my top 2 favorites. DMC4 is next and I'll warn you now the story is incomplete (still upset about that to this day) however the gameplay, the enemies, and the characters are perfect.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

Characters are very iffy in my opinion.

[@nunothedude]

That game is very meh tbh

[@hikarihakai1285]

DMC3 were never perfect like some said but for it time it is the best hack and slash game that set standard for the genre

[@marcosdheleno]

gameplay wise, i feel that about 4. i loved dante in that game, was bummed by the lower weapon count, but having everything accessible at all times, made it alot of fun for me.

[@castjet9898]

8:45 "more then two would be too unwieldy" DMC 5 says hi

[@chiyosake]

Having the 8-bit version of Bloody Storm from JoJo playing in the background, just makes this review worthwhile, awesome work.

[@CommunistJugular]

Bayonetta is quite similar, maybe try that in the future

[@strictlybananas]

Yeah I’d love to hear his thoughts on Bayo as well

[@dragonsins1530]

@@strictlybananas Agreed

[@CommunistJugular]

@You are a PhaGothkys dude it's directed by the guy who did DMC 1

[@nyrisj]

@@CommunistJugular Hideki Kamiya basically taught Capcom how to make games like DMC.

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

@@nyrisj Itsuno improved and perfected on Kamiya's formula.

[@SSSmokeStyle]

There is a correct way to play this. It's to do what's most fun to you. I'd suggest everyone to try out each weapon in the game at least briefly and all the styles. Maybe you thought you'd have a blast with swordmaster but find royal guarding better, maybe you choose to not use any of the starting weapons and go only for unlocks, maybe you have no favorite way to play and just like to switch it up constantly. In my first playthrough I'd never unequip rebellion. Years later I started playing again and have had a much better time just trying stuff out and found out my favorite loadout was swordmaster with agni and rudra+cerberus. Until I got the style switching mod but that's a whole other talk

[@sheldonlarmond6217]

This series is actually what convinced me to sit down and try the games, even though I've wanted to since Dante appeared in Marvel vs Capcom 3. I'm playing through 3 and 4 concurrently because the bundle was on sale, and I have to say I'm enjoying 4 a little more than 3. Granted, I'm playing both on human difficulty and still struggling in places as I get used to it, but I'm having a lot of fun with the series.

[@marcosdheleno]

after you play the games, go back and play as vergil. its insane how fun he is. i would even say he feels even better to control than dante in dmc3, dmc4 made him even more overpowered, with the extra mechanics, and because he can take even more advantage of the momentum.

[@DanT_Riley]

You made me realize why I struggled to finish DMC3. I felt the same feeling. The controls felt tight when I played it couple of years ago, but the levels felt like they dragged on

[@BasedPeter]

If DMC3 is the ocean, DMC4 is the Mariana Trench and 5 bores through the fucking earth. Very excited for the next videos in the series!

[@marcosdheleno]

i think 4 is on par with 5 in combat due to the momentum mechanic, which makes the combat flow even better. 5 still tops it, but 4 is alot closer than people give credit. dmc5 is finally getting ldh mode which is a massive plus, and of course ,vergil(finally), making it even better.

[@BIadelores]

DMC 4 *With Dante

[@raulramirez9657]

3 is still king for me.

[@doubleog6149]

The original PS2 release DMC3's Normal mode was actually Japan's Hard Mode. When i played it back in the day, you wouldnt believe how many times i died to cerberus. Then i found out you can repeat the first mission over and over to get more red orbs to level up your health and weapon moves, upgrade swordmaster, gunslinger, etc

[@DevilMayAsian]

If anybody claims that Arkham is an easy fight, especially as a first time experience, they're absolutely trying to shit on you to boost their ego. But I'm happy to hear you wanting to explore the abyss that is DMC difficulty. When enemies are able to trigger, that really amps things up and changes the dynamic completely. If you're looking to dive into Dante Must Die mode, I'd recommend maybe revisiting DMC1 to try it's DMD mode and see if your opinions of it's gameplay changes.

[@shoopoop21]

I bEaT aRkAm My FIrSt TrY wHiLe DrUnK wItH bOtH hAnDs CuT oFf.

[@zeta2325]

Cope more. It Arkham was stupid easy even on difficult mode. Only way he can be hard is if u ditched Rebellion and didnt take Kalina Ann. Which if you did, shame on you. Lady gave you that launcher you better damn take it. Rebellion is sentimental!

[@Mr_Couch23]

Oh man, that Arkham fight is brutal, I'm a swordmaster main 99% of the time and it still took me a while to figure out that air raid trick lol

[@Meewthree]

gOSH I'm so glad I wasn't the only person to struggle with Arkam! It's a lot easier now that I've learned that Kalina Ann is the way to go but afjdskfj Did not figure that out for the longest time, rip me.

[@MrTheil]

Lmao same. Those fucking demonic dolphin things were such an annoyance. The Kalina Ann DEFINITELY helped so much during the fight with its splash damage

[@emilior934]

For a more advance strategy, I recommend rebellions lv2 swordmaster attack. Rebelion pierce trough all the enemies if you keep the lock on button on!

[@ashenesoterica]

Heh. Now I just have this mental image of a two-panel comic of two kids, one going "hey, wanna come over to my house and play DMC2?" And the other replies with "nah, I'm...I've got things to do, sorry." Next shot is a split-screen of the one kid just throwing things into a hole they dug and having more fun than the kid playing DMC2. So thanks for that, and another great video. o/ Also christ, I forgot about that gods-awful worm and those stupid bloodgoyles, soul eaters and the fallen. Urrrghhh. Probably on purpose.

[@DrRESHES]

I jest found this channel, and i really liked the video. Can't wait for DMC 4 & V. edit: also, nice OST.

[@rifqialfariz22]

Nice detailed video! You have no idea how much fun to play as Vergil back then. His movesets are not as complicated as Dante but also the coolest imo.

[@lithium5673]

Love this game and never saw anything wrong with it. So it’s interesting seeing someone going into it after playing the reboot first. Can’t wait for your dmc 4 and 5 reviews.

[@supersbbrawl4ever]

I love DMC3 a lot, but Arkham was awful.

[@isabellajustice2910]

Great vid dude Can't WAIT to see your video on my actual favorite game in the series next time

[@hsmreu]

"Is dmc3 really that good?" Me: yes.

[@TeamSilver137]

When people think older games are only good because nostalgia they’re wrong. Games like this and the original Doom prove you can still go back in time and enjoy those games even more than a lot of tripleA crap that’s being released today. Love DmC3.

[@fireflamespiterz]

You've definitely got a sub from me cuz this video. I adore this game but its good to see somone bring up its faults and see the game from a casual point of view. Just one more thing. Arkham will always be a pain in the ass and ive beaten this game 6 times. I think its moslty cuz you NEED the kalina ann for thise annoying ass fish. You dont do enough damage and devil trigger is not allowed because of vergil so your source of healing is locked off. Great video man

[@edsainmuramasa4751]

the complaint on dmc 3 bosses kinda goes away when you figure out every single enemy is made to measure up to Dante's moves. the reaper can be parried, cerberus can be stunned if you make his chain be stretched to max when you break the ice, agni rudra teaches you to balance how you deal damage to 2 enemies, instead of focusing on 1 at a time, the worm teaches you the rhythm to dodge on visual queues, vergil 1 teaches you how to chain your own moves and their blind spots, leviathan can be abused by its model having a top part you can jump on for the right side appendix, geryon's chariot can be stood on for consistant strikes, beowulf tracks your position after every punch, forcing you to change your combos, vergil2 teaches you how to use beowulf, nevan teaches you audio queues and devil trigger immunity to some attacks, doppelganger teaches you to use your enemy's movement against itself, jester teaches patterns, arkham can fuck right off, I mean, teaches you gunslinger air abuse (bet you didn't consider it, even after spending most of the fight jumping and shooting, right?) and vergil 3 puts all you learned to the test. tldr: cheese best food

[@delalatines]

Them Jojo music though...

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

I have the theory that Vergil was trying to descend into the demon world to kill Mundus.

[@KingIshimaru]

This remains the only Devil May Cry game I've played all the way through. I sometimes hesitate to say I'm a fan of the franchise when it was mostly just I loved DMC3, but at least it's spurred me to start exploring the others. Still one of my favorite action games ever. You do definitely have a point about Arkham; I think most people agree with you he's the worst boss fight in the game, especially since you can immediately contrast him to yet another terrific boss fight with Vergil right after. There is some poetic justice in Lady's Kalina Ann being one of the best weapons for clearing his adds, but even that doesn't salvage it. It kinda seemed like the bigger the bosses got the less fun they were to fight; DMC3 has phenomenal duel bosses but Cerberus and Beowulf are the only real giant monster fights that compare, in my book. I wouldn't worry about using Trickster, either, it's very popular for good reason. Royal Guard is the style for when you've really gotten into the system and wanna show off, from my experience, but there's a lot of really impressive stuff you can do with trickster, too. Dante's playstyle in 3 4 and 5 definitely seems designed for a "pick your favorites and do it your way" approach to the battle, so your philosophy should serve you well! Glad someone new enjoyed playing DMC3!

[@Walamonga1313]

That's me but with DMC1. I absolutely love that game. 100% it too. DMC2? I basically slogged through it spamming guns while doing something else. DMC3? Great start and challenging gameplay, then I just bored of it cause the setting and enemies aren't even close to DMC1's. I never finished 3.

[@tcbobb.8782]

Picked up the series bc they were on holloween sale Been watching every vid as I beat each one. Great way to pass the time! Love the content!

[@MajorCman]

The only part of the game where it truly pissed me off was when it told me “Easy mode is now selectable”

[@edlerkrieger8045]

LMAO same

[@waltercomunello121]

hehe I usually die a lot against Vergil, especially 2nd fight and ESPECIALLY 3rd fight (and that's perfectly fine for me) but frickin Beowulf was plain irritating. Until I learned to play again, and it became rather easy once more.

[@sonicsaiyan07]

I remember I wanted to make a point about DmC over DMC when we finally got to this point, but that video was SOOOO long ago I can't even remember what I wanted to say. I'll (maybe) be back after a rewatch of the DmC video and maybe have my memory refreshed.

[@coolorochi]

The boss thing, That's where 4 is good at. Almost every boss feel good fighting. Yes 4 is somewhat unfinished, But it's still fun. And you can change everything mid fight! It's still the best action game around that time.

[@cenfre2866]

Credo's fight is still one of my favorite boss fights

[@ftsvectors2164]

Cenfre Dude, Credo's fight imo is the only one that rivals Vergil's(any iteration). It's an absolute blast to play every time.

[@richardsinclair7661]

T.R TOM A lot of people worship DMC 3's boss fights, but I enjoyed 4's bosses more. Sure, 3 had Vergil, Agni and Rudra, Nevan, and maybe Cerberus (I actually thought this fight was boring, because you're stuck in a limited space with little mobility), but it also had some horrible bosses. Gigapede, Leviathan, and Arkham were awful. Geryon is meh. DMC 4 had a bunch of fun bosses. I thoroughly enjoyed The fights with Dante (both of them, but especially mission 10), Berial, Agnus, Sanctus, and especially Credo, which is easily the best boss in the game. In fact, the only boss I outright hated was that stupid statue in mission 15 (I think that's the right number) because it was hard for me to build up consistent style whilst having to destroy those stupid orbs.

[@raulramirez9657]

Seems some of you guys don’t enjoy challenging bosses. That’s what makes 3 the best game: it had everything. Fun bosses, hard bosses, easy bosses, annoying as fuck bosses, god I FUCKING HATE THIS bosses, etc…that’s what makes the game so fun and interesting.

[@coolorochi]

@@raulramirez9657 but you can't switch style in 3. it's more limited, how I wish I can use all the style at that time.

[@BrandonDubsComedy]

Love the background music, great game amazing background. Subbed

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

Can not wait for your DMC4SE and DMC5 reviews

[@cliffb2828]

The wait for this review was definitely worth it, and I completely agree with enemies being annoying to deal with, especially the angels.

[@mako_happy]

DMC: arrival DMC2: Back in the ring with realistic hitboxes DMC3: Watch it in this video DMC4: Boomer Dante DMC5: Vergil's Chair

[@redicarus505]

When Vergil does anything in life... you know it's for power.

[@Macqo112]

I mean, nobody really cares if you use the "not optimal style", as long as you enjoy that playstyle... if you really'd want to utilize the most optimal style and play the game like that, you'd have to play royalguard and that would be really, REALLY bad and discouraging at the start. But once you learn how to use it it's a hell of a lot of fun

[@soundtrack1016]

I can’t believe this channel is only at 11k. I could easily see this being on a 200 - 400k sub channel. Keep up the great work

[@wiimotecactus3124]

2:32 halo reach did a great job at this

[@night1952]

Just one thing about DMC4. Make sure you pay attention to Exceed, if you ignore that you'll miss the fun part of Nero's combat.

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

This game was wayy too good for its time

[@ShaazamR]

Great video, i just finished Dmc 3 and was looking for some outside takes and watching your previous 2 videos made me excited for this one! Keep up the good work and dont give up!

[@quentinbrown9300]

You get a like just for that bloody stream intro good sir. :)

[@theworldoffun8997]

What i notice about bosses is that they all test your abilities. 1. First mini boss tests your basic combos and dodges 2. Cerberus tests your juggles - staggering boss to get all out on him or simple air combos 3. Centipede tested maneuvering on the groud with all its moveset and an ability to get in the most suited positions 4. Agni and Rudra may test positioning, staggering(you can parry their attacks to disarm them), your crowd control and understanding of an in game strategies 6. First Vergil tests all of the above since all his moves are meant to control you, so now you need to learn how counter enemies not simply by outpowering them, but in a more complicated way 7. Nevan gives you a little time to test how much damage can you put in a short pause, makes you dodge all the crap she throws at you and have very specific cycle of actions, so player can learn that too 8. Beowulf is not a boss to just push all the way till he dies, so now player needs to learn to use boss's brhavior for their own good, like hits in the eyes, countering pillars to gain health, using long attack animations to attack 9. Gerion is just fast and demands movement and an ability to move right in the arena 10. Second Vergil has all the moves Dante has, so now player needs to learn to attack all the time - Vergil is DT, attack, Vergil attacks, counter attack, position yourself in the arena and punish Vergil for every opening he shows after his moves cycle ends. 11. Shadow just sucks 12. Arkham too 13. Third Vergil is just Third Vergil, good luck beating him if you havent learnt all the techniques your playstyle provides you with

[@EdgarChikara]

No worries man, I'm pretty sure that even the most experienced DMC3 players when they play mission 19 on harder difficulties just cheese Arkham with Holy Waters, (If they're not trying to S rank it of course) because this REALLY is a shit boss.

[@vergil5644]

Not sure how Vergil's plan in the story went over your head given how obvious it was but, his plan was to attain sparda's power, except Arkham was planning the same thing unbeknownst to Vergil

[@HyveMindsGames]

Hey all, hope this video was worth the wait! If you want to ask me any questions feel free to do so in the comments, I'll reply to as many as I can. Enjoy the video! -Hyve

[@OwenFinlay2000]

Hey this isn’t necessarily about the devil may cry series but I was wondering if you’re planning to do the same thing but with the kingdom hearts seres as I’ve watched your kingdom hearts 3 video recently. Edit: Like this kinda style and not ranking them :)

[@GabrielWeeb]

Great video! :D

[@Valegator]

Glad to see you enjoying DMC games. Just remember there is no wrong way to play the game as long as you are enjoying your self.

[@smgyro1476]

Hey great vid, I left a comment about the story I hope you end up seeing, but I also wanted you to know that you should just play the game the way that allows you to enjoy it. Take that from someone who is good enough at doing all the crazy high technical stuff in DMC, like jump canceling, guard canceling, and the numerous new tech in DMC 4 and 5. Just have some fun. If you want to though I can recommend to you a control scheme that helps make jump canceling easier. I have one for all the playable characters. Tell me if you interested, then I'll make another comment with the details.

[@elapidpython4378]

You mentioned being a bit confused about Vergils motivation for raising the tower and it is basically that Sparda sealed his power inside of the tower and Vergil wants that power for himself but in order to get it he needs to unlock the seal on the tower which also acts as a seal on the demon world so it's not so much that he wants to merge the human and demon worlds instead the merging is more of a conscience of him reaching his goal but I can see where it can be a bit confusing

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

Another treat from the Golden Age of gaming. This game was highly inspiring for me as a teen. I'm not big into hack 'n' slash games, but Dynasty/Samurai/Orochi/etc. Warriors and Devil May Cry games have always stuck with me ever since I first tried them. I consider them quite unique in the hack 'n' slash genre. The cutscenes in this game are also a delight. Now I'm the kind of person who has no problem with cutscenes and watches them every playthrough for a more complete experience, but this is the kind of game that makes cutscenes really a great thing. Another game with fantastic rewatchable cutscenes off the top of my head is Saints Row 2, which is a great comparison. A decent story and some pretty good characters too. The best character of course being Dante himself, stealing the show every moment of the game. The worst character, however, is the female character Lady/Mary. Her constantly sticking her gun in Dante's face gets annoying and she also has the kind of grumpy personality no man would want to put up with, heh. I know she's supposed to have a burning stick up her ass, but it's executed in an annoying way. She does finally decide to ditch her tryhard tough girl routine and fold near the end of the game, which adds some redeeming femininity and cuteness, but it's too little too late. This game is also very approachable. There are difficulty levels for everyone. And the automatic mode is a real treat, letting you have fun without having to make the button mashing complicated. If you're not into hack 'n' slash but are interested in this game, don't be afraid to give it a shot! You may just like this one. And hell, if not the gameplay, then the overall presentation, atmosphere and story might keep you coming back! Although the gameplay is really fun and the unlocks are sweet! Anyone remember how fun and satisfying unlocking things was?

[@NihilisticIdealist]

I know a lot of nu-DMC fans are gonna disagree, but... DMC3 > DMC5

[@jonasjojofalco9896]

Dmc3 only needed style switch and a sparda boss instead of that arkham blob

[@BasedPeter]

In a lot of aspects yeah, but I still think 5 is overall the better game

[@NihilisticIdealist]

@@BasedPeter DMC5 had a terrible color pallette. V's gameplay mechanics were meh.

[@KashKey-]

@@NihilisticIdealist Hard disagree, honestly. The shit Nero and Dante are both capable of is nutty as hell.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I think it's arguable which game has the higher peaks, that stuff is just kinda up to personal preference, but it's pretty inarguable that DMC3 has MUCH more mediocre to bad stuff in it than DMC5

[@intheshowdownbr]

I remember playing this game back in 2005 when i was 10 years old and finishing up to the dmd mode. The hardest encounters that i remember was bewolf, nevan and cerberus. My point is this game is not suposed to be super hard or dificult, it is meant to have a super cool combat system and let the player stylish it the way he wants, and beeing able to unlock so many moves and new ways to play the game is what makes de replayability so good. Also i can completelly agree when you talk about the frustation of fiding an enemy that removes all of that fun from the combat.

[@HyveMindsGames]

A Late Review of Metroid Dread: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2HKimOfopJlnrM

[@debashisprasadjena5075]

Don't worry about what the people say about your gameplay if you are having fun with your playstyle and also getting success at the same time without cheesing the enemies.