I bought a Rolex Submariner off eBay!

[@markmcdonnell]

"I'll just go to the bathroom and get my wife's toothbrush". LMAO

[@CrokeyTV]

Caught me off guard 😂

[@mimmo2341]

Excellent 👌

[@Thebigboram]

I nearly choked on my coffee for that line 😂

[@cbtesla-gaming4978]

I prefer to buy watches off Aliexpress.

[@thederp7690]

I got a nomos for €2

[@amcluesent]

DHGate for real quality

[@Graeme566]

@@amcluesent DH is good if you want a couple of cheap watches to mess about with. Big no no are those people who buy Noobs then try and sell them as real

[@luiscastro5456]

at least you know that their watches are fake for sure...Lol.

[@MrPINKFL0YD]

@Marco von Catfish mine does!

[@kaisoerfjord6794]

Band stretch isn’t caused by the watch being «worn too tight» (8:40), but the opposite, worn so loose that it slides all the way down to where your wrist widens, or even a bit past the wrist joint itself, and where the hand begins and you then BEND THE WRIST with even the slightest force, especially upwards, the way you do when you LEAN ON A TABLE, PALM FLAT DOWN, and other similar situations. What happens is you JACK IT WIDER each time. It’s the momentum that turns the relatively small force you are aware of into the LARGE FORCE needed to bend vulnerable steel elements in a bracelet.

[@BarkandJack]

That’s makes a lot of sense. Thanks. 👍🏻

[@mike73ng]

That gap in the box accommodates the wallet. I have a similar vintage GMT and it came with a cool Rolex green wallet.

[@scottc6946]

I bought a Tudor Pelagos off eBay. Came with box, papers, and the receipt. I actually went in an AD to examine their Pelagos- noted how the bezel felt, the sound of the clicks, the details of the clasp and dial. It all checked out. Got a great deal at $2800

[@MichaelBath]

Didn’t know about the “s” in the crystal. Good tip thanks👍

[@georgejung1989]

"Great condition, barely worn". Proceeds with macros of nicks on the edges deeper than the Marianna trench...This is not a barely worn watch mate, that was a daily beater.

[@bruhdabones]

fredrik grime so you think the guy who made this video got Frankenstein docs/case and a mismatch strap??

[@Jasonkenny-]

fredrik grime I was close to buying a sub in 2002 or 2001 and it had the hollow strap, I discussed it with the AD when I collected my 116610 last week and he confirmed it.

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

Agreed!

[@arghjayem]

Jason Kenny Fredrik said hollow end links NOT hollow strap. From 2000 onwards till 2008 they had hollow bracelets but they did bring in hollow end links during that time on the sports models- subs, sea dweller, gmt etc.

[@Jasonkenny-]

Argh Jay Em I meant hollow end links.

[@dominicrusho]

You must have balls of Oystersteel™

[@rjg02005]

I love how excited you are about normal wear. I completely agree, if it's been worn (as opposed to abused), it adds character and value in my eyes.

[@CrimFerret]

Even with all of that, I'd still consider going to a local watchmaker and asking them to take off the back and verify that it had the correct Rolex movement inside. I can't imagine that would cost a great deal and then you'd know for certain. Submariner fakes have gotten so good that that can be virtually the only sure way.

[@jhmsmarttv795]

A couple of hundred pounds more, and you would have gotten a brand spanking new 114060 with five years warranty. But I guess you are heavily into those vintage watches.

[@J-SH06]

And also you get to wait five years til you get it.

[@jhmsmarttv795]

@@J-SH06 No! I got my Sub Date in around three months on the "waiting list", so that is not true at all. It can take up to a year if you are a nobody with no previous relation to the AD, but still no five years. Get real man! 🤣

[@dennischen8887]

@@jhmsmarttv795 yea, the black ceramic sub is much easier to get these days. But still impossible for a Hulk though.

[@jhmsmarttv795]

@@dennischen8887 Well these days it's a bit harder than last year, but of course easier than the Hulk. But if you have the right connection with your AD, that would also be possible, if you have the patience.

[@Lt.WalterTull]

"Condition is key, box papers is all secondary". For me it's thirdly. Authenticity first, condition second 😉

[@granto6738]

Yes ya right, he is a f idiot

[@koreylackford5621]

Stainless steel is a good option for buying a rolex? I figured that white gold' yellow gold, or platinum were the most sought out.

[@BarkandJack]

Stainless steel are far more sought after than precious metal. The steel models up in value because the demand is so high. The gold and platinum watch depreciate massively because the demand is low.

[@martinbmx7]

The fact that he loves his watches so much makes me feel good. I baby my explorer 214270 mark 2 as much as he do. And i LOVE to see more new scratches every week or 2. It makes the watch look more worn. I think everyone love his watch in its own way :)

[@martinbmx7]

ray h. I dont know what u mean brother

[@epigeonindustry2811]

Rather not look forward to scratching my watch but I would like to see them unexpectedly once in a while

[@Keifsanderson]

The quality of Rolex packaging is an indicator of their overall product. Grossly over rated and over valued. Not junk. Not terrible. They're nice, but they are also 100% a product of marketing.

[@Dylan-xj8tb]

Lol you act like other brands in the price range in that era had much better. The red on my omega box and card wallet for the first gen 300m has literally melted off and dyed everything in sight 🤮

[@Keifsanderson]

@@Dylan-xj8tb I never said that. Rolex uses cheap packaging in its current offerings. Check it out if you don't believe me.

[@michaelbishop9157]

agreed - to me the packaging is far more important than the quality of the watch and its future resale value

[@Keifsanderson]

@@michaelbishop9157 I'm glad you see it. The quality isn't exceptional, and the pricing/future resale value is all marketing.

[@leekindell9937]

ive just brought a 2001 one sub same model, it will be in my collection then given to my daughter in 10 years who was born in 2001. Tip always scrape out the thick gunk before you place in an ultrasonic cleaner.

[@gyang333]

Sat next to a guy on a flight last week wearing a 2 line Sub that he said he bought 25 years ago. Was wearing my SubC at the time, was a nice opportunity to compare the differences (or lack thereof) between the two watches that were released so far apart.

[@chukzc2379]

Great video and congratulations once again. Watching the process of how you bring your watches to like new, without ruining its character is very helpful.

[@sergeblanco3997]

I like this review, and I also have the same watch - mine a D series a couple of years newer. One point though, at 5:25 you mention that you have the Chronometer certification: note that this watch wasn’t a certified chronometer at the time.

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks for watching mate. All the M versions of the 14060 models were COSC certified. They just didn’t change the dial until 2007.

[@sergeblanco3997]

You’ve got me thinking now.... I’d always assumed my 2005 D series 14060M was non-chronometer, I bought it new from an AD and no chronometer paperwork with it - checked again just now. But yours does! A quick search on the internet shows a few other sites saying that 14060M wasn’t certified as such until 2007.

[@mark13williams13]

Rolex truly have you hook line and sinker...

[@mmaworld552]

What you mean by that

[@mark13williams13]

He already has a Green Sub and an Explorer and has now paid a considerable sum to buy another Sub. There are so many other options out there for that kind of money. Anyway it’s his cash and if it makes him happy good on Adrian. I am sure the Grand Seiko Quartz will be gone in the near future to make room for yet another Rolex 😂

[@Xapi3]

Mark Williams many other options yes. But will they hold their value like this sub? Probably not

[@toobalicious]

Subbed. I’m not a big “watch guy”, but after hearing The Time Teller’s “Zenith Daytona” echo of your review, I had to check out your channel. Excellent information - thanks!

[@southernlife251]

Actually it’s very safe to buy a watch on eBay when using PayPal.

[@Diabolus1978]

You mean the company that can freeze your account for no reason and take all the money on it and u cant get it back......

[@a.j.e4349]

I know what you mean about eBay pal. However I sold my Omega Seamaster 300m only the other week and the buyer ended up using all her bids so cut along story short and ended up paying me the full price I originally asked for but then I decided to drop the original price down by £75.00 so when she ended up paying the full price I refunded her the £75.00 back as a refund through PayPal . And yes the Omega was original with all it's original paper work And wooden box! Great Vid! Keep up the great work! Take care Adrian and stay safe!

[@stormydaniels7673]

I've been buying watches off eBay for a while now. Last watch I bought was a Rolex Date Just from Nigeria.Great condition looks like new, just disappointed in Rolex quality it's no better than an Alpha watch and I hate the limited edition mechanism in the watch where you have to wind it every 4 hours.The person I bought it from said that's the Rolex way! X

[@BarkandJack]

Hahaha. Yeah that sounds about right. 🤣

[@shashankshukla8182]

Nice 👊

[@geezer8294]

Does small second hand make a clock look bigger?

[@mitchk2981]

I am pretty sure that is a Frankenstein box. The fit of pillow into inner box is sloppy. Also as you point out a lot of room between inner and outer box. Mine (much older and bought brand new at an AD in Paris) fit like a glove. Old ones used to come with a leather passport case between the inner and outer box which initially held the papers. Nonetheless it seems papers and watch are completely authentic. I have bought numerous watches on eBay and they now give the “authentication guaranty” on any thing above $2,000 US. So far never a problem.

[@monosqueak]

I know that it is a personal preference but that green sticker will lose its glamour in time and possibly tear itself off with all the sweat and other things. So when you reminisce in the future, it might be a little frustrating... As a suggestion, you can remove it from the case back with caution and preserve it in the box and stick a clear one on the case back to preserve the metal. So you have a worn front with a "clean as the first day" back side which can give you a reference of your usage in time.

[@BarkandJack]

That’s a really cool idea. I’m going to do that. Cheers.

[@monosqueak]

Bark and Jack no problem, enjoy 👍

[@yml84]

Love your vids, just wanted to reach out to say your video kit has some problems with auto-focus. For example around the 0:20 mark the lanyard in the background keeps shifting in and out of focus. I noticed the same in some of your other vids. Time to change the focus settings? Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next video!

[@greggburrows3471]

What clothes did you use to clean the watch?

[@juiceman977]

5 digit subs. Only way to go Adrian. Trying to find a reasonably priced 5 digit is a "mare". Can't trust myself on Ebay, to many bad purchases I'm afraid!

[@marcosmcc2562]

Glad your happy with your new submariner. Love that's its super sharp and unpolished. There is a lot of junk out there and you need to be aware. You have to do a lot of research to find an unmolested watch but when you do it's awesome. Great video Adrian 👌

[@abendiaye3330]

I like the look of an old beaten up Rolex. It gives the watch character. It tells a story and an adventure.

[@jwags24]

I love the no date. Looks great !

[@m3petem3]

Love you're style fella, I did find an Explorer 1 on Ebay, did plenty of research and found the business existed in Italy, contacted them directly and saved a couple of hundred quid. Arguably my favourite daily.

[@brianbling3570]

The etching doesn't have an S anymore when serviced.

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks for the update. 👍🏻

[@a.w.5048]

Yeah becareful, I bought a Rolex from a very reputable dealer on Ebay. He owns a jewelry store in Florida also. Well 5 years down the line, I needed to sell that watch due to financial reason. Found out it had tons of aftermarket components inside that watch, and also the sapphire crystal was not original, and the bezel was an aftermarket too. The place I was trying to sell it too will not accept my watch.

[@charlesg1150]

Another interesting video. There are two issues here...you cannot test a watch on a timing machine before demagnetizing it first and expect to get a true reading. A magnetized watch can cause errant readings to be displayed...beat error, amplitude, and rate. Also, the watch should be fully wound or have been worn for the better part of the day before any timing machine test. Cheers mate.

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks for watching Charles. The watch was worn for a few days before this video was made and then fully wound to make sure. I sent the readings off to my watchmaker and he said they are what he’d expect from a watch with dried up oils. So all should be fine. Cheers, Adrian

[@maxcominelli41]

Why at 13.07 the number 14060M on the green sticker is gone, after you said that you’d have been careful with this while cleaning the back with alcool? It looks like it’s not about the angle, it definitely looks like it’s another watch. Please explain.

[@peterlewis3540]

It is a huge risk, purchasing such an expensive watch, from someone you will never meet in person, your taking their word, and trust. When buying a Rolex, you should inspect the watch first, just to make sure its genuine. Last year, i purchased a full set of paperwork and boxes for a 2009 Submariner. The items were very convincing fakes, and the dealer did refund my money, but the wording of his listing on ebay made no mention that they were forgeries. His listing was skillfully frazed so no liability would fall on him, for incorrect description. I wished the paperwork and boxes were genuine items, but you simply cannot tell, when you cannot examine the items.

[@MR-zl6vs]

Where are the rolex printed inside all the way around ? Is this not fake ? Doesn't look real to me unless they made some changes since 1990's.

[@JosephByrne]

Great information about the official servicing process. I didn't realise that so much material was taken away. Good to know.

[@jonathanl2748]

Great educational video! Question: is a Rolex service less expensive if one opts to not have the polishing/grinding and crystal replacement? Just the inside the case cleaning and lubrication?

[@tn_onyoutube8436]

It appears Rolex don’t allow that. Service = whatever they feel needs doing, including replacing bits that don’t need replacing. I had a similar issue with a Tissot a few years back, so it is not just Rolex. All I wanted was to fix a sticking pusher, but they wanted to change the dial, the hands, the crystal.

[@SoCalWatchReviews]

Great find! Hope your wife didn’t mind you using her toothbrush lol!

[@BarkandJack]

Haha.

[@rajgill7576]

I walked in to a used dealer the other day aesring my 2017 black sub and they had quite a few black subs that were around 15-20 years old. I just noticed the bracelet in general had larger gaps in the beacelet and just felt looser. My new one was really refined and tight looking and feeling

[@ItsJSTNDAD]

@7:33 they guy did not take the sticker off because I'm sure he had no clue on how to. lol

[@Mo-il3nf]

Was considering a no date sub for some time until I saw the BB58.

[@clockbait]

Superb video mate, and what a buy! Chuffed for you. ‘Use my wife’s toothbrush’ cracked me up!

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks guys 🙌🏻🍻

[@michaelfleming4004]

I bought a 14060 (1994) off eBay. I took it to the local AD and they said everything on it looks good and original. But I want to know if the bezel was replaced. How can I tell? (this was before they starting etching the crystal with the crown logo). The AD said it they couldn't tell for certain without removing the bezel which they weren't prepared to do unless they were servicing it.

[@bjoernaltmann]

The flat topped 4 is actually a typical watch typography thing. It has to do with the printing method and the related need for the counters (inner space of a letter) to be bigger

[@jasonwilson7674]

Hollow end links, what a joke

[@isaacjones6172]

Been looking for new watch vids to subscribe to after I gave ac3 the boot. This one seems promising!! Stick to the good content and no head warts!

[@jamesmustin7289]

That is ridiculous ebay has a 30 day return policy. I have bought Omega watches that I returned even back to Korea. No problem.

[@LEBMCM]

I never knew that about the "S" in the Rolex logo on service dials. Very cool little factoid

[@Gigipreppy2012]

“For muppets at home”.....haha!!

[@xmuninu]

Great choice! - I prefer the 14060M to the 114060 any day!

[@Dragonblaster1]

I thought including the links removed from the bracelet was a nice touch.

[@dee106ful]

If you are buying from an ebayer that is not a trader then you have to question why they don't have a box and paperwork. Yes they may have lost them but generally you throw all that in the bottom of the box and never take it out unless needed.That for me would be an alarm signal.

[@rtomson]

PSA - you can simply ask Rolex not to polish your watch ... they'll still service the movement back to new and confirm waterproofness etc but won't polish / rebrush.

[@BarkandJack]

There are lots of horror stories of people asking Rolex not to do X Y or Z and those requests have been ignored.

[@MrBrianc1975]

Congrats on the sub, it looks like an honest example. Side tracking a bit here but may I ask, what coffee do you drink at home and what do you drink when out?

[@gem7774]

Yay more bark and jack content.....love it! Great watch 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@klemenswinkler1799]

Nice video and great watch. Have fun with it. The only thing I found strange is that you love the green Rolex sticker but hated the blue Grand Seiko one. Well, sometimes people are inconsistent.

[@jackthebassman1]

Brave, trusting, potentially ripped off customer.

[@NGHVEVO]

The eBay user afshi_5 hasn't sold a watch in the past 12 months. The feedback doesn't reflect it neither does the sales history. I doubt you got it from eBay.

[@pandayuan]

Nice watch, just always cautious when buy such expensive watch on eBay. I am not an expert, but I am wondering if the bezel has been replace. At 13:48, markers 10,20,30 look fine, but 40 & 50 look different, thicker and different fonts. Or was it just my eyes playing a trick? Best of luck.

[@kostasp1137]

I feel that in your latest videos your presentation skills and energy have gone up a level

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks buddy. I’ve started to stand up which feels more natural than sitting down, which I used to do. Sitting down felt so formal. I don’t want to be formal. 👍🏻

[@Archer335]

Beautiful piece! But it needs to be serviced. You know that. I’m hoping that you’ll have it serviced and do a post-service video. I’d love to see the new vital signs on the timegrapher.

[@gambs2373]

Great video Adrian, nice to see you bring the watch out of the grunge look. Oh how I need to get me one of those multifunction timegrapher, I do like a gadget.

[@au18ert]

The Explorer 2 seems to be the only Rolex I really like. I just haven't bought it I'm really put off by the servicing. It seems like really you only rent a Rolex. They appear to do whatever they like. I can't buy into a brand that isn't customer focused and will do the things you want. That's a service.

[@jonathanhealey320]

Howcome you like the case back sticker of the Rolex but not the grand seiko? Lol

[@DutchClawz]

Brand prejudice. Same with car reviewers sometimes. They love certain options on a BMW but despise 100% the same options on a Lexus

[@markomarin3414]

He's Rolex snob

[@pkroliko1]

@@DutchClawz He was willing to say that the Seiko was better built than the rolex. We all have our biases at least Adrian admits hes a rolex fanboy.

[@kaisoerfjord6794]

But its CONTOURS ARE DESTROYED, along the lugs particularly, it has been COMPLETELY ABUSED, couldn’t even take a repolish.

[@Hdic2018]

Are you purchased from the private seller or watch dealer on the Ebay?

[@mattdevenish83]

Burn that case back sticker after removal 😂

[@BarkandJack]

Haha. It’s horrid isn’t it.

[@bugsymalone1660]

Bark and Jack leave that sticker on , it’s been on for this long no point to peeling it now.

[@Dkuaeshfn]

how do you check the serial number? do you do a Google search or something? also, does this apply to all other watches

[@sobeit712]

I'm disgusted and appalled by the fact that Rolex subject their loyal customers to the horrible experience of buying watches in risky second hand market all for the sake of cunningly crafted sense of scarcity and exclusivity. Drug dealers show more respect to their customers than Rolex. People, you have other choices. Don't fall for the hype.

[@oohdeg]

I Love this video, I love that watch

[@jimbojet8728]

I like to buy direct from China, always excellent service. Great packaging and boxing. What’s not to like? Thanks.

[@_tgreg1]

Shows how much these have gone up in value as my 14060 sold for 7.5 - pretty standard!

[@morganthedruid1]

I hadn't realised the ordinary quality of the Rolex boxes, my Glycine has a better box, it's actually excellent to be honest. Saying that It's all about the watch and yours is fucking stunning, so much envy here, right now I hate you.

[@robertsullivan4773]

Yes but ultimately you don't wear the box. Papers are important the box a nice addition.

[@robertsullivan4773]

@@shino8854 meaning what my Seamaster box is gorgeous.

[@AutomotiveRomance]

Rolex stopped putting an ‘S’ in the LEC on service crystals several years ago, just FYI. That being said, quite a nice example, now get it serviced and start wearing the shit out of it!

[@BarkandJack]

Thanks buddy. I didn’t know that. 👍🏻

[@AutomotiveRomance]

It’s quite trivial to be honest 😅 I believe the policy around service crystals changed in 2009, then RSC’s used up the stock they had. There have been reports of people receiving service crystals without ‘S’ as early as 2009 and with ‘S’ as late as 2012.

[@leodare101]

Great video, thanks Adrian. Really looking forward to the follow up on why that model and why you chose the 2 liner

[@Timberjagi]

damn that was a serious beater for somebody.

[@Dari92002]

That’s what a sub needs to look like

[@Cozzera]

I would never ever buy a watch off EBAY.

[@andrewdaley3081]

I wouldn't buy a penny sweet off ebay. Andy England 🇬🇧👍

[@vaughanatkinson8421]

Your obviously well chuffed so enjoy it...shame it's a feckin Rolex hahaha!!

[@andrewrippingale5924]

Sad the sticker is still on it as it means it’s never been in the water where it was designed to be! My 14060 had a sticker on the back but washed off first time it went for a dip in the sea!

[@shahmeeruzain8192]

Mate you kinda overpaid... there are much better examples for lesser

[@BarkandJack]

I really doubt it. Feel free to share links.

[@nikolajovicic174]

@@BarkandJack Actually the price is about right for the 14060M these days, especially if you got it for £6K. I've spent past 6 months hunting for the 14060 Tritium myself and I know how hard is to get the one with original papers and in unpolished condition (both on chrono24 and eBay). The prices now gone too high for my liking considering mainly the poor conditions of these watches so I got myself on the list at local AD for a brand new 114060 which can be had for the same amount of money as the used 14060/M. Wish I did that 6 months ago instead of wasting time for acquiring the 14060 in unpolished condition as I would probably be wearing a brand new 114060 by now.

[@shahmeeruzain8192]

Bark and Jack My bet, just checked Chrono24 and prices have really gone up, its a fair price . Should come by Singapore if you get the chance, the watch market here is vast and competitive! So you can find some good deals

[@Adb07d]

@@shahmeeruzain8192 then why make that comment in the first place? Wouldnt it be better to check prices before posting? Numnuts.

[@baronsilverbaron757]

Wow. I purchased my Rolex 5513 in 1984 for £600 new. I've just had it serviced a couple of months ago which cost Euros 1000. I now never wear it because I have a MR-G Titanium Solar powered Atomic radio and Bluetooth watch. I shall keep the Rolex as an investment for a rainy day or sell it if someone offers me crazy money for it.

[@callmegbot1031]

You should do a series of the website WatchGang.com and show what different buyer tiers get what and quality differences .

[@robertrichardson3392]

That had me rolling with the toothbrush comment

[@richardjones2609]

Excellent! Did he mention the price he paid?

[@rolexkings7747]

Doesn't have to be scary. I arranged to meet the seller and had the watch checked out and case back removed before handing over cash.

[@terry2895]

I totally Disagree!! I have bought and sold all of my Rolex's on EBAY. I only prefer EBAY and scared of other sites. Their Guaranty is unmatched in my opinion. Just bought a $9K Rolex with no problem. You buy the seller, not the item!

[@timothythomas1626]

It's not that risky I sell on ebay. And take good care of my customers. In Fact if you filed a return after checking out the watch . Ebay would force them to take it back. Unless you are buying from someone with a 6 feedback . Even then ebay has eaten the money and paid buyers and sellers who got scammed. You can't lose on ebay nowadays.

[@christospapaspyrou945]

Would you consider laser welding the dented edges by someone who's really good at it?

[@chiliprepper7678]

I bought my second Sub off eBay. It was a 2012 Sub. Ceramic from a brick and mortar jeweler. I am very happy wiith this watch.

[@treedillinger5801]

Great watch, my favorite in fact. Guard it with your life 😉😁

[@chiliprepper7678]

@Marco von Catfish yep . sorry damn auto fill. Edited it. 👍

[@nirvana613]

I didn't even know that the submariner has hollow end links instead of solid ones.How can a watch be so expensive and not even have solid end links ?!

[@gregsnavely9272]

mines a 1998 though, and it had been in a safe deposit box since the millennium! No joke.

[@jackbob91]

If you're ever wanting rid...

[@eddycurrent413]

i dont know anything about watches but i bet they polish them away so the new ones are newer

[@davejacobs2205]

I'd never never buy a Rolex watch on eBay again!!!

[@DavidDatura]

Those earlier Rolex bracelets really look like crap! Like something you’d get today with a Seiko SKX. Are you absolutely sure this isn’t a fake? I don’t know, but wearing a Sub for 15 odd years with that grimy sticker still on the back, sounds a bit suspect to me. But I hope it all works out, and that this is the genuine article.

[@djayyoda]

David Datura the only sure fire way to authenticate it is to bring it to Rolex for a full service. That’s what I would do if I bought the watch off eBay. It’s fraught with so many risks i would rather look elsewhere but hey never say never!

[@anthonynigelkendrick5474]

Great post, thanks for sharing

[@sailinbob11]

The Rolex boxes are crap. Guess all the money is in the watch? Maybe... I bought Omega, not because of the box,but it's a very nice box,and makes the unboxing experience a little bit nicer. I live on a sailboat, so I left it at my girlfriend's house. The ocean eats everything.