I hope this video helps some of you guys out there that are in the market for a dump trailer! If you go with the Top Shelf Trailer Brand, don't forget to ask for the ( Jack of Haul Trades discount ) Save yourself some money!!
@jasonesposito80225 ай бұрын
How much. I ordered mine last Friday so hopefully picking it up this week🤞
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
@jasonesposito8022 Nice congratulations! I believe they give people like $250 off or a free spare tire..
@jasonesposito80225 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades sweet. Thank you bro. I gotta full size skid. But really thinking about getting a mini as well after watching yours
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
@jasonesposito8022 That's awesome 👌 One day, I'll have a full-size skid as well :) What state are you in boss?
@jasonesposito80225 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades I’m in Melbourne Florida. I tried to find you on facebook to message you but I couldn’t find you
@kh8679 ай бұрын
It’s a sick trailer man. I’m glad Top Shelf listens to their customers. That’s how they’re going to beat the competition.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Yessir! That's exactly it. Happy customers = More future business 💰 🤑 💸
@randalllawless32755 ай бұрын
🎉🎉😂@@JackofHaulTrades
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
@@randalllawless3275 🤝🤟
@EricScrapping4DinidogАй бұрын
It’s nice trailer for sure
@alabamashagreen21069 ай бұрын
Great review bro! Love the tarp! The jack is awesome I love mine! I’m 48 so my manual cranking days are over, lol
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Thanks boss! Yes, this jack is insane...it's definitely one of those this that you didn't know you needed until you've tired it 😂😂
@Fayettepropertysolutions9 ай бұрын
Such a sick trailer bro. One of these days soon I’ll have to go down there and grab one just like it
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
You won't regret it brother! I appreciate the support ❤️ 🫡
@justinsbulktrashremoval9 ай бұрын
Great video & great deal for sure! I'm glad you're seeing the positives to it! I see a lot of the corporate (junk removal companies) like 1-800 that abuse those tarps. It's sickening to me, because it the employees hired. They don't care, because it's not their own & don't have to pay to get it fixed. They just put it back, with all types of stuff sticking up, SMH!
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you understand what I was talking about. Have a great weekend brother! 💪🫡
@KristoferCofie9 ай бұрын
I called down there last week and talked with them, and I think I’m going to try and get me one! Love seeing what you do with yours
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
I wish you the best brother!!! Don't forget to get the Jack of Haul Trades discount if you actually end up buying one :)
@jphillips472Ай бұрын
Those tarp arms look like giant torque wrenches, love it
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
Haha I didn't even think of that!
@brentonford14084 ай бұрын
holy cow!!!! you got one heck of a deal on that trailer!!! you inspired me to look into dump trailers....I even subscribed to your channel. well done!
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
I appreciate the support boss!
@jasonkamprowski79665 ай бұрын
Brother, thank you for these videos. I found the company on Facebook; however, your videos are what provided me the confidence to provide a deposit and make a purchase with them.
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
Heck yeah! Welcome to the Top Shelf Gang brotha! 😂💪
@jasonkamprowski79665 ай бұрын
Hell ya! I'll be picking it up at the end of September. I'm getting the CAT Yellow! I went with your 16k and 14ply suggestions. Thank you for posting all this content. I’ll look your business up on FB and IG.
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
@jasonkamprowski7966 cool color choice 😎 Don't forget to mention them my KZbin channel that way you get a discount 🤟
@jasonkamprowski79665 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades - 100% I told Reva. They are having an insane 1k off Labor Day sale.….!!!
@junksquad9 ай бұрын
If you take care of it it will take care of you🎯I do like that hydraulic jack!😁 Enjoying this review!
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
I appreciate the support big boss! 💪🫡
@saulmarquez11265 ай бұрын
Very nice trailer, like that steady hustle!! Where can I purchase that wireless remote, can you give me the details on it, thanks....
@JackofHaulTrades5 ай бұрын
I'm not sure it came with my trailer, but you can find ton of them on Amazon!
@cutweldngrind6 ай бұрын
I want to buy or build me a 16ft dump trailer but cant decide if to get a goose neck or bumper pull. I have seen a few cheap trailers but did not like the finish of the paint and welds.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
How heavy do you plan on hauling, and how often?
@truiz5556 ай бұрын
I'll be driving to Florida for my dump trailer. Love the the video 3rd time watching it.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
Ayeee! I appreciate the feedback brother. Let me know which one you will be getting! 💪
@darwindropmazda9 ай бұрын
Solid video and trailer Andrei 👊🏾
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Thanks brother! 🤜🤛
@ericberku70734 ай бұрын
Great video wondering if you are still very happy with the trailer? would you suggest going higher on walls for strictly junk removal?
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yes, I'm very happy with the trailer, but it's been getting rented like crazy so I haven't used it as much as I'd like. For junk removal absolutely! don't get anything less than 4ft walls in my opinion. I only got 3 ft walls for my mini skid when loading big logs or concrete
@ericberku70734 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades thank you brother
@go55827 ай бұрын
hi handsome this set up is top notch. the only option on that remote control is "automatic rear door opener and rear jack lowering and rear ramps open and close.
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
Thank you! It sure is a beast of a trailer. I love it 💪
@jMichaelEdwardsАй бұрын
I have a Bwsie trailer, and the tarp is like that but non motorized. I like it. Much faster than the motor.
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
I agree. I like the manual way more after using the auto for a while 😂
@jMichaelEdwardsАй бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades but those hydraulic jacks... Gotta have 'em!!!! Remote control dump can be ice too. Not necessary, but it has its moments
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
@@jMichaelEdwards yep 100%
@powderriver242425 күн бұрын
I'd like to point out one thing, your video is good, but your truck hitch is the weak point I would suggest a stronger hitch ball. The trailer is nice one of the better dump trailers I've seen.
@JackofHaulTrades25 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching boss! I appreciate the feedback 🙏 I made a video on getting a new hitch check it out! It's a monster ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4qtaYysj6pqiq8si=rkRmQtIZAUsNQTDa
@jessenewman16108 ай бұрын
Got one like that really wish I had went with 4' walls though it would be easier to load but been loading mostly from back. Loving the electric tarp and hydronic jack. Went 16.5 so I can haul 16' lumber. Had a problem with tarp hanging on the spreader gate but just used large zip ties to close the back of tarp in little
@JackofHaulTrades8 ай бұрын
Nice man! What brand is yours? and do you have 3ft walls as well? I like the 4ft walls better also
@tractorworkandmore4119 ай бұрын
It’s a nice trailer! I would definitely pick up one too for that price. Tell them to sponsor me too lol.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Thanks man! Buy some trailers with them first, and with time they might do that for you :)
@chadlambert31862 ай бұрын
How many dumps you getting out of it? We getting 3 to 4 dumps on a full battery. Got a PJ trailer
@JackofHaulTrades2 ай бұрын
I haven't had mine die yet so idk. It has a solar panel and it charges off the truck as well! In the winter it might be a problem if you dump more than 5 times a day 🤷♂️
@doublejump6578Ай бұрын
Young man, i give you respect, atheist you are getting after it... good job.. young man there is a lot more for you to learn, and you will... here from my old head experience. 1. Get away from tag trailers, go to goose neck 2. There are some trailers you never even heard of 3. Get away from single tire trucks, go to dually. 4. Always inquire upon gauge of steel , on floors and walls 5 tires, those 10ply wanna peels have got to go, garbage, put a minimum of 14 ply tire on the trailer, trust me it really matters 6. Your bumper pull trailer is easily exceeding your weight rating of your truck, plus hauling at number, is way way more unstable, harder to stop, pulling is never a issue ever, DTOPPING IS THE MOST AND I MEAN MOST IMPORTANT. So instead of thinking pull as the primary, think of stopping as the primary thing. Dude if you seen my trailer, you would instantly want to get my beastly set up, and I mean beast, it is 100% the best constructed trailer i ever encountered, after 40 plus years of working, expensive? It is
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
Yessir the tires I run are 14ply. I run single wheel trucks because I need to stay under CDL requirements. Post a video of you super cool trailer on your channel 💪
@HeatherEvyАй бұрын
Can you show how the doors latch open? I do allot of jobs on tight streets and need to have them open flush.
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
Mine do not open flush
@prodriveawayman69436 ай бұрын
50 year old man here. What would you recommend? 14' trailer ? 16' trailer ? I plan on renting them out. You do good on your videos.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
Hey boss! What kind of truck do you have ?
@prodriveawayman69436 ай бұрын
@JackofHaulTrades I don't have one yet. I expect, I will get a 3500 4x4 long bed. No, extra cab. The first truck will be gas. I will get an old government truck for cheap. My bills are under $1,000 a month no house payments and no credit cards.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
@@prodriveawayman6943 those are some low bills! What state are you in? I personally would got with a 14' Topshelf Dump Trailer
@adambrown886719 күн бұрын
I would say the best dump trailer money can buy would have a goose neck. That would make it far better riding & more maneuverable than a bumper pull.
@JackofHaulTrades19 күн бұрын
You're not wrong 👍
@garyyandell653513 күн бұрын
but if you are renting them as well, most people don't have a fifth wheel hitch
@JackofHaulTrades13 күн бұрын
@garyyandell6535 Very true, plus they are not great for rentals since the gooseneck makes the trailer much longer
@damianpascual979 ай бұрын
Looks nice man I’m actually looking for one might just take a look at them
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Take a look brother! If you decide to buy one don't forget to let them know I sent you. That will save you some money!💪🫡
@krakenjunkremoval9 ай бұрын
im getting one soon 👀
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
You won't regret it! Dump trailers are awesome :)
@krakenjunkremoval9 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades I ave to go to south Floida in July, so I am going to swing by on the way back up and hopefully pick one up. Is that your new truck you're using to pull that trailer?
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
@krakenjunkremoval Yessir! I sold my f250 and the dodge is still broken 💔 🙃
@krakenjunkremoval9 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades Ya I watched that video, is that gray ram a 6.4? Trying to figure out how big of a truck I will need. I see lots of 6.2's out there for sale.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
@krakenjunkremoval No sir, that's the legendary 5.9 cummins! I don't want a gasser for this business 😅
@shawnweaver39556 ай бұрын
Great info dude! Keep rocking 👊
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching boss man! I appreciate the comment 🫡👊
@jMichaelEdwardsАй бұрын
$9 grand!!! I paid 16 for one I'd trade for this in a sec
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
Is yours with the hydraulic back ramp door?
@TacticalArborist2037 ай бұрын
Hey brother can you please explain the 8k axels and de rating how does that work is it an extra fee ?
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
Hey brother! Yes, the axles cost extra. The bigger the axles, the more you can tow! De rating allows you to stay under cdl!
@TacticalArborist2037 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades yes that’s what I’d like to do! I guess I just tell them to de rate it and they put a 14k rating or something? Does that cost extra ?
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@TacticalArborist203 no that is free! You just need to tell them! And yeah mine are at 14k also
@TacticalArborist2037 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades thanks so much for the quick response man!
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@TacticalArborist203 I'm happy to help! If you go with Top Shelf Trailers, don't forget to ask about the jack of haul trades discount 💪🫡
@VictormarceloAguileraver-yq7ls9 ай бұрын
Hello, can you share the website where they sell those trailers, greetings from Texas.
@catalin50029 ай бұрын
If you just search Top Shelf Trailers Florida, you will find there website
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Hey brother. They are located I'm Yulle Florida. www.topshelftrailers.com/
@FightingFishTv9 ай бұрын
Trailers a beast
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Thanks man! 💪🫡
@ThinkBeforeYouMove6438 ай бұрын
What the name of the tarp system would love to put in on my Texas pride Trailer. Thanks
@JackofHaulTrades8 ай бұрын
This is a Buyers tarp system. I believe Texas Pride sells US Tarp
@tedwilliams87666 ай бұрын
check out southland trailers. not sure if they sell down in florida as theyre made in canada. i bought the SL714-16k which comes with 8k axles and 9 ton hoist cylinder. its built to haul more than regular trailers. its built like dump truck boxes which weigh less with more capacity. i bought from a small dealer in my area which was a great experience. i have the other common name brands in my area but the dealerships than sold them were a-holes and arrogant. i swear if it rains they might drown. plus the other trailers....junk. for brand new trailers, they shouldnt have large rust spots on them for what theyre asking you to pay like big wrecks (big tex). if i ever buy another trailer of any kind it will be a southland from my local dealer which i paid $11,150 including the spare tire. after the state got their cut, it was closer to $14,000.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100%... some companies don't deserve any customers. Thanks for the comment boss man 🫡💪
@Alexanderbuilds2001Ай бұрын
Is your truck a 1500? What is its towing capacity?
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
It's a Ram 2500 6.7 cummins. Towing capacity 20k for bumper pull but for gooseneck a little higher
@go55827 ай бұрын
8 lug hub is 7k lbs . where are you getting 8k? I asked Dimond c for a remote control like the one you have , on my custom dump box , he said, "we don't have those opitions, go buy a dump truck". thanks for showing us the "remote". also are you going to add Jack's by the rear doors and 8 ft ramps?
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
Hey! My axles are upgraded to 8k. This trailer was custom built by Top Shelf Trailers in Yulle, Florida! And no, I have 7ft ramps and they are great!!
@RENTAMANDFW12 сағат бұрын
I WAS NEVER HERE
@JackofHaulTrades6 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching and supporting 🙏
@BIGMIKESWORLD889 ай бұрын
I just bought a Diamond C I paid 16.5 I got every option u got except the jack and that was the main option I wanted. I couldn't find one with a hydraulic jack with in 12 hours from me. personally I believe Diamond C makes the best trailer. but u stole that trailer for 9k. would I pay 18k for that trailer no but I pay close to that n its worth every penny. I been following you for a little bit now I see how you're scaling your business. I'm proud of u. I'm trying to do the same as well. keep pushing. you're motivating a lot of ppl who follow u on ur journey. continued success king.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Hey brother! I appreciate the support big time 🙏🫡 Can you tell me the exact specs on your trailer? I want to do some comparison. Keep pushing man success dosen't come overnight.....I'm very far from it myself, but I'm hustling as hard as I can to hopefully achieve it someday. Success for me is financial freedom. I don't need to be rich, I just need to have enough to support my familys needs :) 💪
@BIGMIKESWORLD889 ай бұрын
I got a 14foot telescopic dump trailer with 4 foot walls with the 2x6 on top. I got all the options u do with the swing doors and the the drop post in the back that you forgot to order. I would post pics if I could.
@rshotty90398 ай бұрын
I had the worst luck with my diamond C . granted it was a flat bed but I won't buy another one of their products. I had it less than a year and I was doing brakes and bearings already, lights were going out on it. absolute junk
@JackofHaulTrades8 ай бұрын
@rshotty9039 Dang that's crazy. How much miles did you put on it?
@joeydalia25729 ай бұрын
I reached out to Top Shelf and talked to a lady about ordering one and she said to text her what I wanted and I’ve yet to hear back from them. That was around a month ago. The retail on that is higher than a Diamond C.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
That's wired. Call them and see what's up, I believe you. I just never had a bad experience calling. Even when I needed a warranty repair, they picked up right away! And I don't think so. Add the cost of all the add-ons and a Diamond C will be more expensive
@gasstationpeanuts18149 ай бұрын
Come on now bud, you either work for Diamond C or you think we just fell off the turnip truck, cuz you ain't getting the equivalent trailer from Diamond C for less.
@fltllc41369 ай бұрын
Damn it. I want to buy that size trailer but I need a class a in California 😢
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Cali is on top of everything. I don't miss dealing with their laws 😂
@TheNestorjr239 ай бұрын
You need class A if the truck and trailer combined is more than 26000 pounds in Cali or another state.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
@TheNestorjr23 Yes, that is true sir!
@ericberku70734 ай бұрын
Hey Brother do i need a DOT # I have a GMC 2500 with Duramax diesel crew cab similar to you i noticed its the same regulations in most states around 10,001 or more they say i need it but maybe not its the same in florida and georgia
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
Hey brotha! Message me on Instagram and we can talk about it more it's a confusing topic
@AngelsDay3 ай бұрын
Could you also transport a vehicle on this if it fits? My guess is yes..
@JackofHaulTrades3 ай бұрын
Yessir you can!
@justinsigmon18789 ай бұрын
I paid 18k with loan on my 16' dump trailer its a down 2 earth. Must say it's a good dump trailer. The dump trailer you got looks like a tank great buy.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
I hope that thing is making you money brother! Keep hustling 💪 🫡
@Johnsal5177 ай бұрын
I spent 14k after tax on a 7x12x4 bad ass dump trailer Royal blue. Very Well made Trailer. Though I wish it came with an eletric Jack.
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@Johnsal517 what brand did you buy boss?
@Johnsal5177 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades RawMaxx
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@Johnsal517 I've heard of them but I haven't seen one in person. How do you like it?
@jamesjensen376927 күн бұрын
Do you have a point of contact with the seller I'm highly interested
@JackofHaulTrades27 күн бұрын
Google Top Shelf Trailers. They are in Yulle Florida and let them know I sent you 🫡
@mp-xt2rg7 ай бұрын
You are supposed to put wood boards down the sides. They are sacrificial so you don't beat up the top of the trailer.
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'll probably end up doing that one of these days! But the reason I went with the 3ft walls was so I can load easy with my Mini-Skid
@boat68686 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades Maybe you could use a board less than 12 inches wide (maybe a 2x4) so that you would still have the sacrificial wood there but still have the easier loading with your mini skid.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
@boat6868 That's a great point! I was thinking about it, but I thought it would look wired.. but who knows. I should try it 😂
@boat68686 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades Another thought I just had regarding your comments on the exposed arms of the tarp (and I think I saw in a more recent vid that one of the arms did get a slight dent)...you could put a 2x12 off of the front corner and cut it on an angle so that vertically it is a little bit higher than the arm of the tarp so that material or your bucket will hopefully hit the wood first instead of the tarp arm. The trailer is a really nice looking unit.
@JackofHaulTrades6 ай бұрын
@boat6868 Yeah, I was thinking about doing that, but I don't think I'll like the look 😂
@dannymiranda97178 ай бұрын
What sizes is the trailer? Great video
@JackofHaulTrades8 ай бұрын
This is a 7×16×3. Thanks boss!
@mrpoole404Ай бұрын
Will I get everything you have for 9K?
@JackofHaulTradesАй бұрын
Don't think so but I'm sure you can still get a pretty good deal!
@strykerv16209 ай бұрын
wood chipper directly into the box with tarpdown... no... your tarps gonna get chewed up.
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the advice, but how if the chipper is shooting down and not up?
@Mr.Weatherspoon7 ай бұрын
Thats a really nice trailer. But this is waaaay to much talking to not get any info on type of trailer, Hole trailer pricing, nor where can we get it from. You gave small part prices but nothing useful as a over all hole. We already know what features we want and don't want so no need to go down a rabbit hole. But im in Ga looking for the same set up 16ft with 4 ft walls. And still don't know the load capacity of this one either. Other than that decent video.
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the feedback. This is a 16k dump trailer. It's a custom build by Top Shelf Trailers in Yulle, Florida! There prices vary depending on how much you spend they start at 9k and up sir. If you do plan on buying from them ask for the Jack of Haul Trades discount!
@Mr.Weatherspoon7 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades 16k gotcha thanks for the info. Yeah it's between them and one other company that I'm considering. But will definitely look into them. We'll have to call them Monday.
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@Mr.Weatherspoon check out a few of my videos. I work thier trailers ....no real issues so far! 💪
@Mr.Weatherspoon7 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades i have another question.(per this video) how are 14k gvrw on the trailer if you have 8k axles isn't that = 16k?? and did you have to put DOT numbers on your truck to operate in ATL GA?
@JackofHaulTrades7 ай бұрын
@Mr.Weatherspoon I had the dealer de-rate it for me. They can put any number you want on the sticker. I've been avoiding the numbers for now. I don't see many people running with them in my area..
@Darrick4Reel4 ай бұрын
They tried to fool me sending me a 14k when I ordered a 16k 7x14. Beware do not buy from Top Shelf!
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
Maybe it was an honest mistake? Did they get you the right trailer in the end?
@Darrick4Reel4 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades no they got mad because I didn’t accept delivery of a 14k trailer that the vin sticker clearly states it was 14k and that was also missing the spare tire and the lock you said to mention to get free. The Sr owner told me to buy from somewhere else instead of fixing the problem. That let me know they were trying to get me. The trailer looked like a blem honestly. The wall wasn’t fully connected to the floor on one side and the finish had blemishes everywhere.
@altered_beast4 ай бұрын
All that talking and you never lifted the dump hoist. I want a refund of my time
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
Check out a few of my other videos boss. I worked the crap out of this trailer. It lifted 7tons of gravel #57!
@alliwantedwasahellcat95658 ай бұрын
Did this guy just stroke his trailer for 30 minutes... nice trailer tho
@JackofHaulTrades8 ай бұрын
Thanks brotha! 🫡
@lancefales18164 ай бұрын
Go with the scissor jack
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
Why do you think they're better?
@randalllawkin4 ай бұрын
no it is not if you understand geometry try dumping your wheel barrel from the point of a scissor jack. That is why dump trucks use telescoping.
@JackofHaulTrades4 ай бұрын
@randalllawkin Good explanation boss 👏
@CP-ok1gv9 ай бұрын
How can you share your honest opinion if you got it for free
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
Lol, I paid the full asking price for my first two dump trailers from them. I think I know a little about the quality of their trailers sir. Have a great day :)
@CP-ok1gv9 ай бұрын
@@JackofHaulTrades I see, so you paid full price on the first two and then they got you free upgrades on the third
@JackofHaulTrades9 ай бұрын
@CP-ok1gv yessir, they partially sponsored this built
@KittKeagy-cv1bd2 ай бұрын
They're not that cheap anymore
@JackofHaulTrades2 ай бұрын
For a basic trailer, they should be. Now, if you get upgraded tires, frame, and some other stuff it ads up quickly