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[@JRose-zn7iw]

The AMD experience: YOU are the engineer.

[@tommypearson9260]

Not even lying i had to do so much registry edits back in the day with the HD7970 it became a burden and just sold both my X-fire cards and been with NVIDIA ever since....

[@mikemoore5270]

🤣

[@basedanon420]

Lmao

[@S2GUnit]

Hahahah. Or in my case with DDR5 & AM5. You have to figure out what BIOS settings you need to stop the computer from BSODing or to even boot without needing a CMOS reset.

[@mikemoore5270]

@@S2GUnit it’ll get better ❤️‍🩹

[@Alexx_80]

Jufes is angry 🤣. It means I need to buy this 7950X3D.

[@baoquoc3710]

so who cares if you buy it?

[@lokoboymendez7743]

Exactly! You get the point how it's working here. It's like mainstream media and the establishment - what they say, the opposite is the truth

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@baoquoc3710 but who cares about your comment?

[@Misterz3r0]

I'm an engineer, and even I have zero interest in screwing around with computer hardware. Zero. I buy cool stuff and I expect it to just work. If it has me going to a second location beyond a driver installation, I'm out. My time is too valuable. You have to literally pay me to troubleshoot, I'm not going to pay for a thing and then troubleshoot it myself. This isn't the 80s and 90s. Companies should have enough of an engineering knowledge base to make things that work out of the box. 7950X3D is a hardware hobbyist chip and it should have been marketed that way.

[@TGC1775]

They will never beat intel unless they find a miracle. Competition is good though.

[@saricubra2867]

Miracle is EMIB chiplet interconnect from Intel Sapphire Rapids Xeons, goodbye infinity trashbric.

[@Ph42oN]

I want 7950X3D, i want to tweak the shit out of it. Games suck these days, all popular games are shit and good games are dead. There is more fun tweaking than playing games.

[@saricubra2867]

Definetly these 3D cache Ryzen 9s are a dumpster fire for a CPU architecture.

[@robbieg3055]

f-cking love this type of content, not so much the other stuff like testing as been there done that but this shit is just priceless info to hypnotized fanboys. just the word fanboy has the word boy in it so nuff said! is a bromance forming with you and tech yes city 😄nah seriously you two should do a collab together!? your both on the same page and i physically think that it will be beneficial to both channels.

[@joshbarron7406]

I was really looking forward to the ddr4 4400 13900k vs the 7800x3D

[@FrameChasers]

That’s still coming, just fell behind on work

[@CarnivoryHODL]

@@FrameChasers Will be best video of 2023, hands down

[@anuzahyder7185]

Amd suc*s so much that it’s not even funny

[@redclaw72666]

​@@FrameChasers looking forward to that 👍

[@srinathshettigar379]

@@FrameChasers lol your intel cpu cant edit the video on its own..you have manually do it???🤣

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Man, You are so Right about Shlt just working bro. The less time I have to spend Diagnosing Shlt and Enjoying the Game im playing the better.

[@teemuvesala9575]

its why i wont touch amd product ever again

[@saricubra2867]

​@@teemuvesala9575 Zen 4 is a dumpster fire. A friend has a Ryzen 9 5900X with a 3080Ti and that system simply works.

[@teemuvesala9575]

@@saricubra2867 AM4 took long while to sort out its issues. I think Zen 4 is like Zen 1, its the first CPU release on new platform, so extremely buggy bioses and all sorts of issues... 5000 series launched when AM4 platform was already very mature, so not surprising 5000 series users are experiencing little to no issues.

[@saricubra2867]

@@teemuvesala9575 Zen 4 is way worse than Zen 1. Zen 1 literally saved AMD from the Bulldozer and Piledriver fiasco, did a 50% IPC increase. Ryzen 7 1700 changed the market, one of the most efficient perfomance per watt 8 core chips ever made, making Haswell Xeons look like an embarrasement for a way cheaper price. Zen 4 is just a bad launch and isn't a huge game changer for the company. It's a regression vs Zen 3 for thermals and stability.

[@griffin1366]

I recommended a friend AMD parts.. We fked around and found out why they were so much ccheaper than their counter-parts.

[@FearWarboar4135]

Very good point though. I’m just a gamer man. I enjoy learning pc tech stuff at my own pace, but a lot goes into it. I bought the 5800x3D bc it worked out the box for the games I played. I don’t want to have to sit down with a manual and learn what lassoing even is let alone do it. And all the overclocks. I just wanna good gaming experience lol

[@ryche.rising]

It is *almost* impossible to game on a PC, without resorting to some kind of intervention/tuning for at least one part of the system, regardless of CPU anyway, but surely this Ryzen 9 3DVcache botched some.

[@NK-ns7wb]

And yet you have E-cores disable? Why ?

[@dragonsyph2557]

The games he plays benifits from it, most games now days don't though, most newer games love multi core.

[@dragonsyph2557]

@@nivea878 Thats how a load works lol, if its the same load then the CPU should use the same WATTS with or with out E cores on, it will just show HIGHER CPU utilization with e cores off.

[@saricubra2867]

​@@dragonsyph2557 Power efficency and thermals are worse when you turn off Big-Little, not worth it, and i actually lose fps for the console emulators i play.

[@dragonsyph2557]

@@saricubra2867 Ya, games i play tend to love more cores so keep mine on. I just lowred E cores to x43 and have P cores at 6ghz. I just game so temps are manageable.

[@mehdimido5270]

reliability is king

[@4epa1012]

This is the reason every time I was thinking about buying an AMD CPU, I ended up buying Intel, it just works 🤘

[@csguak]

Srsly bro, I just put in 13900ks on z790 mobo, stick in two 7200mhz RAM sticks and RTX 4090. Turn on XMP. Everything just works right out of the box. With AMD, there is always extra steps to make sure all the goddam planets are properly aligned to remotely mimic intel Nvidia system performance. I really just don't care man, let me plug in and play. Yes. It is that simple with Intel Nvidia.

[@saricubra2867]

Or Zen 3 AMD, it just works. I heared about BIOS and other nonsense going on Zen 4, Zen 3 is very stable.

[@mattgreenfield8038]

@Nivea87 Intel > AMD Nvidia >>>>>>>> AMD. Blowout win. Nvidia beats AMD like those old awesome finishing moves from Mortal Kombat 2. Intel/Nvidia just works. Easy wins. AMD has always been for brokies. Nvidia has proven that TSMC can only carry AMD CPUs so far....when AMDs competition is using the same/similar fabrication they get annihilated

[@teemuvesala9575]

@@nivea878 Intel is nowhere close dying. Yeah, they have issues that need resolving, but they are nowhere close dying. AMD was about to go bankrupt few years ago, but not Intel... I mean AMD's market value was under $2B when they were almost bankrupt. Intel's market value is still $123B today, so they are nowhere close to dying.

[@cuongtang9539]

@@mattgreenfield8038 i didnt buy AMD im still on my 13600K + RTX 4080 =) just my comment 8 months later, sorry for that

[@bombazeer6163]

eventhough I just bought the 7950x3d, I still watch your channel because I legit enjoy your content.

[@Bostonski]

Same here. Have 13900, 7950x3d, two 4090s and 1 7900xtx, still enjoying this mofo.

[@anuzahyder7185]

Sell it bro before it drops in value

[@bombazeer6163]

i have 14 days to fafo this, then I can return it if does not reach my expectations.

[@bombazeer6163]

@@Bostonski yeah, he legit says the truth that most other tech tubers are afraid. afraid of losing their sponsorships.😂

[@redclaw72666]

​@@bombazeer6163 yup lol it's funny I always tell people they won't be honest with us consumers even framechasers shown me the truth of the 10900k and ram tune, oc it and done no problems at all just works since I tried both 2700x and 3800x thank God to Amazon returns

[@lexsanderz]

I love my 7950x3D. But I am an IT specialist for 15 years.

[@impuls60]

To be fair the 12700k was a dumpster fire at launch with the ecores on. I strugged so bad with no hitregs in Pubg. It took some effort to figure out how to turn the damn ecores off and pump up the cache speed to 5Ghz. Most people dont think they can understand hardware so they never even try. When I reference the blurbusters site they just roll their eyes and keep loosing with their 40fps 0.1%lows system. They never get to try a tuned high end system so in their mind theres little gain to be had..

[@saricubra2867]

Is not the i7-12700K's fault, it's the game (Denuvo DRM). Portal 2 on my Intel UHD770 on very high runs with more than extra 100fp than CSGO and unlike CSGO, Portal 2 has real fully functional physics so it should be more CPU intensive. I force -20 threads on CSGO launch options from Steam, the game crashes, on Portal 2 (which is a 2011 game) it can use all of my cores because it doesn't have Denuvo and anything of that.

[@dragonsyph2557]

A turned 12700k will demolish 99% of all.

[@kani1926]

I have my 7900X3D pair with a B650, downloaded last drivers for that CPU, updated xbox game bar, deleted high energy plan, and my cores doesnt even park lol, like i just want to play VrChat that's why i bought that CPU because seems like Unity works so well with L3 Cache, but im just struggling with that CPU, im thinking in returning and getting the 13900k

[@FrameChasers]

There are no teams, only what works and what doesn’t

[@jiazhoushen5447]

13900K also has a problem. More like a windows 11 issue, so in windows 11 the old power plan (control panel) "high performance" has no threads scheduling and assigns games to E-cores. You will need to use the "balanced" power plan to get correct scheduling. But there is a problem with steamVR. When steamVR is launched it will automatically change the power plan to "high performance", seems smart but turns out to be dumb. I kept having stuttering problems when playing VR CHAT and heavily modded beat saber. And this is solved after I deleted the old control panel "high performance" power plan so that steamVR can't do anything stupid and then changed the new windows 11 settings power plan to "best performance". Everything became smooth after that. I blame mainly Microsoft for having two different sets of UI (control panel and settings) controlling the same thing (power plan) but having opposite effects. I also blame Valve for trying to be smart. This is no way I can figure out that it is the power plan that was changed by steamVR just by myself. I really appreciate the guy who made a video pointing out and explaining this thing.

[@kani1926]

Ok i discovered what was making trouble with my cpu, i use to minimize my vrchat game windows when i was playing PC+VR via cable so when i mininimized my vrchat game windows i lose performance because the xbox game bar wasnt detecting vrchat as a game.

[@masterchi17]

​@@kani1926 Damn, this comment just confirmed the entire video.

[@wildgg]

7:27 Tarkov: hold my beer

[@cam_bro]

Exactly why I went with a 13900k for my current build, and I've always been an AMD fanboy. AMD is playing games with holding off on releasing the 7800x3d and it isn't with us in mind.

[@teemuvesala9575]

Any stability differences between AMD and Intel platforms with your experience?

[@cam_bro]

@Teemu Vesala It did take some work with learning how to overclock, but otherwise none really. My last Intel was a 4770k Haswell 😆

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

The narrative continue to gain some clicks

[@gamester0123]

You got major media on their radar! Keep it up!

[@FrameChasers]

Wat?

[@Jsteeeez]

@@FrameChasers Brian from tech yes city referenced you and your video when basically posting his 7950x3d review. Agreed with you its not worth it and to wait for 7800x3d if you want to go amd.

[@gamester0123]

@@FrameChasers Brian from tech yes city quoted your video and called out Gordon for watching your video, responding, and not even mentioning you

[@FrameChasers]

@@gamester0123 oh yeah all the large guys do that, they take the content but don’t give credit, it’s gate keeping. Or AMD told them to never mention my channel publicly. Either way. Insane props to TYC for actually being a normal dude and calling out BS when he see’s it, I love him

[@anuzahyder7185]

Pc world is an amd shill. Their 7900xt n xtx reviews are totally off. Even fluffed the 7950x3d review trying to do damage control with that cinebench test lol.

[@xSKOOBSx]

100% agree with this, I still have a quad stick set of bdie that continues to give me problems periodically. Every once in a while it will just become unstable seemingly for no reason, I have to reset my settings to get it to boot, tune it as much as I feel is worth it... Which has become me just running like 3800 C18 at 4.5v because I don't feel like messing with it anymore. I don't know all of the definitions and relationships, I mean theres damn near no reason to besides "fun", so its probably just me, but I just want something that works now. Anyone want to buy a watercooled set of 4x8 bdie? I think I saw Jufes using the same heatspreaders in a build just without the waterblock installed :)

[@cogthusiast1150]

This entire channel is troll arena.

[@Th3Fly1ngCow]

someone told me to check out your channel this stuff is whack wish i could get my 17 minutes back

[@Bobthebuilder2235]

Hahahaa look some of his content is pretty good. I personally don’t agree with his 7950x3D coverage. He always says he isn’t an intel fan boy but he is.

[@natalie2070]

Even Jay is having issues with the 7950X3D memory controller. Jufes should totally do a video on this like he did the other guy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2bVnKuupt9-iM0

[@hamslice839]

Thank god for Jufes, I only play games nothing else matters.

[@teemuvesala9575]

Reason why AMD can't differ their cores and CCDs is because AMD CPUs have no proper hardware level thread scheduler, while Intel has hardware level microcontroller handling scheduling... Intel's way is far superior. Just like Nvidia's way of accelerating ray tracing with actual ray tracing cores is superior to AMD's gimmicky software ray tracing. Software never beats dedicated specialized hardware. AMD never learned their lesson.

[@saricubra2867]

But AMD has a hardware scheduler for their Radeon cards, they perfom better on a game with garbage CPU optimization like Hogwarts legacy. Both NVIDIA and Radeon have their weaknesses. AMD also has real ray tracing cores, 7000 series graphics card RT is better than Ampere and only falls behind the RTX4090, they also have more VRAM.

[@saricubra2867]

Basically, Radeon 7000 series is actually descent, unlike 6000 series that isn't as good as Ampere.

[@teemuvesala9575]

@@saricubra2867 Yeah I'll admit that's true. Wonder why Nvidia doesn't have hardware scheduler on their cards when their style in general tends to be accelerate every task possible with specialized hardware. Weird that Nvidia overlooked hardware scheduling on their GPUs which is the reason for their drivers having more CPU overhead.

[@srinathshettigar379]

lmao . how un educated are you about Nvidia driver cpu overhead performance issue.

[@teemuvesala9575]

@@srinathshettigar379 Read the comments above blind boy. Already discussed that. But that is literally the only thing AMD accelerates with hardware which Nvidia does not. Literally with everything else, its the other way around. AMD just trying to compete with software emulation against Nvidia's dedicated hardware acceleration approach, its not working out well...

[@kingtairon4612]

No lie I just built a AM5 4090 system and waiting for my 7950x3d to arrive and this video scares the crap out of me.

[@cdurkinz]

As one of the hardware nerds I come here because nobody else in the tech space is doing “max ram tune / max OC / direct die - whatever it takes cooling” benches. Nobody. I ask every week nobody cares cuz that’s a niche of our already niche community. But say I want to see how my 13700k with 7600 ram with a 4090 does against the rest. SOL nobody does it but you come close.

[@antoniok52]

I honestly had a 7950x with a x670e extreme and it was the most dog shit system I’ve had, yes it worked but it just didn’t feel refined, it didn’t feel like the $1800 I paid were worth a fuck. Every time I opened hwinfo or booted into windows the whole pc would stutter for like 30 seconds, the boot times were abysmal even without expo enabled, every tech nerd was like “just deal with it! Wait for bios update! Shouldn’t have bought it if you couldn’t wait for it to get better, oh it’s a new platform” like no dude if I’m spending this kind of money I expect a GOOD out of the box experience, I immediately returned it and went with a 13900ks and a z790 Maximus extreme, no more long boot, no more stuttering when windows is starting, just fucking works.

[@S2GUnit]

Oh so you were lucky & didn't have the BSOD'ing, black screen when rebooting, stupid fucking 2 minutes memory training. Too late for me to return mine.

[@h1tzzYT]

man you spitting facts, i for example bought 3700x and 5950x back in 2019/2020 and i had problems with both under same mobo (x570 crosshair hero 8 wifi), i even had to rma my 5950x after 2 months of troubleshooting. Currently my 5950x system is stable and performs well for my needs, but there is no way my next cpu is going to be amd again. I used intel for the longest time, 0 issues, my last amd cpu was athlon xp 1600+/sempron 2500+ from socket A (462), i though i give amd a try, but after my experience with AM4, maybe after another 15 years lol. "every tech nerd was like “just deal with it! Wait for bios update!" This is also super weird mentality to me, why the fvck would you accept any of that BS on a super premium build? And this is not even some kind of niche HEDT platform either. My mobo + cpu + ram costed roughly ~1800€, yes im serious all parts were super premium. Yet it was a nightmare the first couple of months both times i got 3700x and 5950x on the same platform (it was drop in cpu upgrade).

[@yournewdadq9782]

@@h1tzzYT the 5950x is one of the worst price to perfomance cpu's ever

[@h1tzzYT]

@@yournewdadq9782 dont care about it mate :)

[@antoniok52]

@@S2GUnit with memory context restore the thing wouldn’t even post, it corrupted one windows. I’m never in my life building a AMD system again.

[@parkersgarage4216]

dude, i bought a 6650xt until my 4080 gets here to use something in the meantime waiting for shipping. i hit the power button and the gpu fans go to blast off to mars. then the pc shuts down and restarts 3x and then finally starts up and runs properly. i never had this issue my my 3090 that i sold. if i ddu this pos will that be the fix besides getting this shitty amd product out of my pc. anybody saying great things about amd clearly doesnt use them and are just fan boys. this experience here will simply not allow me to buy an amd product for quite sometime. im not part of the fafo crew. like you i want it to work and i simply wanna play PERIOD. i also want it to just work the first time. it'll be a long time before i give them a chance again i promise you that. so glad i didnt buy a 7k series card. dodged a bullet there. this card is going to get returned before my 4080 gets here.

[@qpmy2]

You are in new Tech Yes City video.

[@dixanshtiwari6003]

What is lasso?

[@DaRone1981]

I’m a filthy casual and no nothing bout overclocking. I just need to put the stuff together and get it to work I don’t want to spend hours trying to make something work when I could be playing games when I get home from work.

[@cemsengul16]

AMD is on a failing trip lately. First the RDNA 3 flops and now they make a scam 3D version of Ryzen.

[@wraithblastalx6466]

Why didnt amd just put cache on both chiplets tho? Seems like such a weird move

[@saricubra2867]

To sell more non-3D 8 core CCDs.

[@jassco2]

Also the latency between chiplets is abysmal. The infinitely fabric is why scaling is difficult and games can still only use a few cores, so it would be useless. They had a 5900x3d if you recall when they showed off vcache first and never released it for this reason exactly. But then people complained so they said ,well we have extra chiplets so why not?

[@wmnsriteslol]

Because the ccd with the extra cache doesn't clock as high. They were trying to give a best of both worlds experience. Gaming workloads go on 3d cache ccd...productivity goes on the higher clocking ones. Games don't need many cores anyway.

[@isakh8565]

Partly because they want to sell the cheaper non-3d chips. Partly because it would be even slower in cinebench, and would look embarrassing next to the 7950X and 13900K. They should have just stuck to the 7800X3D like they did with Zen3 (5800X3D).

[@dragonsyph2557]

Because the DUCT TAPE connecting all of the CCDs and cache is well garbage, it what causes the AMDip and very bad 1% lows.

[@mortifyedpenguin]

Nice job spitting facts. You have to buy the hardware and run it yourself to see. I screwed around and got a 6900XT. Warzone was an absolute cluster ****. Most other games it was okay. Went back to Nvidia and never turned back for high end gaming. Like you said, it just works.

[@biueprint]

i did the same but i f'd around and bought two 6900xt thinkin maybe the one i got was a dud. now i got two 6900xts sitting in a box doing nothing

[@Krenisphia]

Octopath Traveller is a fantastic game, good choice.

[@EzBreezy750]

All these problems would be solved if AMD had the talent to put 3D on both ccd

[@Markisha64]

No, that infinity fabric is total shit. CCD 1 CCD latencies are even higher than CCD 2 RAM. Total shit. AMD one CCD is OK, 2 CCD not for gaming.

[@Profecxion]

My 5950x i spend weeks getting maximum clock per core getting excellent cinbenchr23 score then getting 3 frames more 😆 🤣 😂 i was like never ever again i want a cpu and ram rdy to play I will never ever will waste my time otherwise then plug and enable xmp and fresh windows installed all drivers and all my software then do a windows back up image after everything done i download the games and play its y intel plug and play maximum frames 😀

[@saricubra2867]

Zen 3 is stable AF. Zen 4 is the worst Ryzen gen ever made.

[@lemonadechad]

Basically, reliability > cutting edge technology. I want reliable technology that offers quality experience as a consumer. I hope they get what people want.

[@bl4d3runn3rX]

If you disable the e cores on the 13900k... Why don't just get the 13700k? Geez, hyping up the Intel CPU but disabling half of it? You could do the same with the 7950x, but would be a very expensive 8 core CPU. I liked your channel when I watched it the first times, but now i see underneath the surface...

[@dragonsyph2557]

More and faster cach for 1. Higher binned chipped 2. Better OC 3. better MC 4, better memory OC 5. etc etc etc.

[@bl4d3runn3rX]

@@dragonsyph2557 only with 10fps more in CS go he can compete, huh?

[@dragonsyph2557]

@@bl4d3runn3rX Aww i see, you are a tech illiterate, good day sir.

[@bl4d3runn3rX]

@@dragonsyph2557 if you turn off the e-cores it's an 8 core CPU, the 13700k has 14mb less cache than the 13900k... At the same clocks they both are basically the same. But yeah....

[@bosco9028]

You got a mention in the latest TechYESCity video. He pretty much agreed with what you were saying on the 7950X3D. Interesting though in his previous video he tested the Arctic's Freezer II 420 AIO and named it the best AOI on the market. Yet in your last Twitch I believe someone asked about the Arctic Freezer II as pure dogshit. Any particular reason why you hate the Arctic Freezer II AIO's?

[@FrameChasers]

Go use one and launch overwatch for the first time, Youl see why

[@skorpers]

@@FrameChasers Does it overheat and throttle, or just make a ton of noise?

[@FrameChasers]

The water pump in those things move to slow to absorb very large transient spikes in temps, so Youl get blue screens from shader installs

[@kaspervendler1726]

@@FrameChasers did you set a waterpump curve in BIOS? Mine was desgustingly slow at default on my MSI x570 tomahawk.

[@FrameChasers]

@@kaspervendler1726 the max speed is still way too slow, go launch overwatch and check your cpu temps, lol or apex

[@abdullahdanze2061]

5:18 You made this your whole channel content by "trolling". Look at the comments.

[@cjceeez9897]

yo i loved my dark hero and 5900x. cant lie though, i had to do alot of custom shit for it to work until the bioses matured. i fooled myself into thinking that they would have fixed the same issues in the 7950x one gen later. issues were actually worse! lmfao

[@h1tzzYT]

i was fooled thinking that zen 3 would be flawless drop in experience for x570 motherboards, because it was "matured" platform, oh boy i was wrong lmao

[@natalie2070]

Yuck two six core ccds . I never understood why people bought that cpu for gaming when the 5800X was a eight core ccd with minimal infinity fabric issues because it was just one chiplet. Then if you wanted more you bought a 5950X and had two chiplets and welcomed back the pain in the butt era of dual processor systems. But with dual processors you at least spread the heat around and had twice the surface area for cooling.

[@h1tzzYT]

@@natalie2070 5900x performance varies per game basis, some dont like two ccd's and some actually like it, or more like its extra 32mb l3 cache. Overall 5800x and 5950x have better frametime consistency. dual ccd cpu's are far from dual cpu config, thats not how it works. Also your remark about heat is mostly incorrect, for most use cases windows scheduler will cram all the workload to first ccd making it actually harder to cool in workloads which utilizes 2-8 cores than cpu's with single ccd.

[@marktackman2886]

AMD physically locks you into their ecosystem, thats funny

[@adiffkindofswag1148]

AMDud wants to be Apple in the worst way.

[@Sundaymov]

Legit, got a friend that has a 7700k & 1080ti all he plays is overwatch & has no thought on upgrading.

[@saricubra2867]

He could keep the 1080Ti for more years to come and change the processor.

[@GARZA_ICMG]

holy crap i got that same set of bdie like 100$ cheaper lol

[@terminator9099]

Glad I went with the 13900kf... generally between 5.8ghz and 6ghz on P cores, tight timings on the ddr5 and the MSI 4090 supprim X. everything under EK. I just want to play and not have to set up the pc all the time and tweak.

[@thefreemarketeer765]

Me too…. Made the switch from a 5800X3D and 4090 build to a 13900K build and the difference is night and day in playability.

[@saricubra2867]

@@thefreemarketeer765 For me Alder Lake changed my life for music production. (i have a DDR5 i7-12700K system). Thread Director totally killed the stuttering and finally one CPU core can do one thing: audio without any bullsh*t interrupting it. It's unreal watching 100% CPU usage with 48 tracks, 1.3ms of latency and two 4K KZbin videos on the background. Still there is a limit, i would literally burn the CPU way faster than Prime 95 if i go way beyond 50 tracks. FL Studio is the best CPU benchmark ever 😂😂😂😂😂.

[@saricubra2867]

@@thefreemarketeer765 For me it's the snappy feeling of the OS and the PC. That is the difference of high core count chips vs lower core count ones with a scheduler that does work

[@impuls60]

@@thefreemarketeer765 I built a 5800X3D system for my brother and it felt like hot garbage vs my overclocked 12700k.

[@thefreemarketeer765]

@@impuls60 I’m sure it stuttered and dropped frames hard when lots of enemies were on screen, just like mine did.

[@muSPKwow]

What if you are a streamer and gamer and just want one system? AMD 7950X3D or 13900K?

[@xTurtleOW]

13900k 100%

[@hadleys.4869]

13900k hands down. Best of both worlds and it just works without any hassle.

[@anuzahyder7185]

13900k slaps the f out of 7950x3d

[@kaspervendler1726]

13900K with really fast DDR5.

[@redclaw72666]

​​​​@@deuswulf6193 🤡🤡🤡 probably the game developer was told to get AMD lol or AMD gave him one for "free" at least these fanboy peeps from above play games than writing a dam paragraph of why go AMD lol

[@Nachokinz]

All they needed to do was place cache on both CCDs... the market would have been more understanding of the hit to frequency. Its another 2970WX/2990WX event with process lasso, such a wasted opportunity.

[@lexsanderz]

Sorry bro, but you are mistaken. That wouldn't fix shit. If a thread goes from CCD#1 to CCD#2 via Infinity Fabric, your performance will be shit. You can have 20 ccds with Vcache, you still need to lasso your game to 1 CCD with cache.

[@AintPopular]

100% why would i invest in high end gpu if the games arent that great

[@newfinishautospa]

I regret buying a 5900x. The past two years have been hell. I spend hours following every update attempting to do damage control on my system. It’s gotten so bad between windows and AMD. Any time I’ve had stuttering and crashing it has been Amd or Microsoft’s fault! EVERY TIME!

[@saricubra2867]

I wonder if you are using Windows 11. A friend has windows 10 and it's perfectly stable, smooth frametimes and no crashes, he is using an RTX 3080Ti.

[@MadMexism]

I've been running 5800X since launch, and have had Windows 10 Pro, and when windows 11 pro came out, i switched operating systems. My GPU is the water devil 6900XT, and have had no issues. Just make sure your OS is cleanly installed, and drivers are properly removed and installed. Also just hit DOCP/XMP and run it.

[@sean.d7171]

Amd hyper train just left the tracks.

[@natalie2070]

5:00 I learned my lesson with the 5950X. I traded it and my x570 board for a i9-11900K and $300 and haven’t looked back. No more issues with lassoing the cores to keep the game on one CCD. No more struggling with the memory controller. Same frame rate with less work and less problems is a huge win for Intel in my opinion. When I upgrade it will almost certainly be a Intel processor.

[@saricubra2867]

11900K is a crap flagship. A friend has a Ryzen 9 5900X and it's smooth AF on Cyberpunk 2077, has a 3080Ti as well.

[@saricubra2867]

@@nivea878 Capable my @ss, i7-12700K uses way less power and it blows that i7-11700KS out of the water.

[@heavylol4273]

every cod bro is a hardware nerd you can't have one without the other

[@ronnzi]

I love your content, and typically I follow all of your points of view. I’m a little confused by this video though, in light of your older content. You used to be all about “only the fastest”. The fastest didn’t mean the fastest out of the box, just slap it in and go - it was whatever the fastest was after doing all of the tweaking that was required to get it there. You were always clear that it was just for the games, and that you weren’t a hardcore OC’er in that, you had a real goal for why you wanted the fastest. But still, that was your thing. You also differentiated your content from the mainstream tech media in that you didn’t just slap in some random RAM, turn on XMP, and then run benchmarks with stock configurations. You compared max’d hardware configs to max’d hardware configs. Now you’re saying you don’t want to take the time to max config the 7950x3d? I agree, it should just work, and it’s not like I’m getting one or anything (I’m fine with my current rig), but the take just confused me a bit in light of some of your other takes in the past. Could just be missing part of the conversation, and this doesn’t change the fact that I trust your points of view on hardware more than pretty much anyone else out there right now, but just wanted to mention this since it came to mind when watching this video.

[@FrameChasers]

It’s not the fastest though, if it was I would deal with it, I would also be able to sell it in consults if it was the fastest and complicated to set up.

[@dragonsyph2557]

@@FrameChasers Ya the average joe does not and can not deal with all the HOOPS you have to jump through to get 3d chips working top notch.

[@SKHYJINX]

Hardwaree lasts for ages when you realise you can't compete, there are always dope singleplayer games out there for me. Rockin the 10 year chip 👀🤔

[@natalie2070]

I still have my Core 2 Extreme QX9650 that I bought second hand many years after it came out to upgrade my cpu on my Asus P5N-D. That machine was my go to machine until I built a 5930K with two GTX 1080 cards in SLI. Those machines where absolutely stable and reliable. My Ryzen 5950X and X570 was a constant headache. I got sucked into the Ryzen hype and learned the lesson the hard way. No more AMD for me.

[@saricubra2867]

​​@@natalie2070 Fun fact, the 5900X clocks way higher than the 5950X, the frametimes are good. You have to unlocked the power limits on the 5950X to keep the frequencies stable and boost 1% lows. On Curve optimizer it's extremely easy to get 5GHz all core infinite Tau on the 5900X with an undervolt. This is why the 5900X is the best Zen 3 chip.

[@thecatdaddy1981]

Bang4Buck10CoreGamer

[@SKHYJINX]

@@thecatdaddy1981 100%,.. Might not have the latest IPC, but the games I play now only need 60-90fps. Not that it isn't capable of more in eSports I only need so much and use fps caps anyway.

[@saricubra2867]

@@SKHYJINX "Latest IPC" Alder Lake is latest IPC, Zen 4 is 6% behind and Raptor Lake is 0 IPC gains.

[@Whosteeny]

Less is more very true 🙂

[@DanielLopez-qh6ji]

Less is more as a Hobby computer assembler. If XMP and setting a fan curve is all you want, im for it. I like fine tuning the cpu, ram, gpu, but then you mess around long enough and you find out LOL. Also if it's not broken, don't fix it. The worst advice I see people give to first time builders is to update the bios. I'm like, update the what? 😕 . Yeah maybe for AMD, but not usually intel unless your upgrading your Z-board or seriously bought the 1st one off assembly line

[@jovanpejic]

I was doing a BIOS upgrade on my b450 board as the new (then at the time) 5600g wasn't doing too well for me. It ran max at 10% and like the old A10 7850k... And that's it. The processor works well, the AMD graphics are the same (6700xt) - if you want Intel and nVidia - buy them. I value my money more, and what I have is enough for me and works as it should.

[@skyrimadventurelore]

Did you see Jayztwocents new PC he built, not working because of his 7950x and he said in the video he wish he went Intel

[@redclaw72666]

Lmaooooo 🤡🤡🤡 major ouch

[@driflysh4597]

Were did he say that? It was due to the motherboard, at least if we're talking about the same video...

[@killerrf]

Yea it was motherboard faulty.

[@dragonsyph2557]

That idiot posted on twitter his 7950x3d was DOA. i don't know if I trust hat D bag.

[@myamaha62]

I think it was a bad memory controller on the motherboard.

[@theoldpcgamer77]

Got to agree, ever since I got back into pc gaming during the gtx 670 gpu era with Intel cpu I have stuck with Intel and Nvidia combo on every system since. Every game always works without fail and I play pretty much every AAA game and loads of AA and Indie platformers. Never had an issue once with a driver and I got into SLI during that time as well and that worked fine when a game used SLI. My 12900k has the e cores on and games and windows 11 does it's job and all works as expected without me needing to do anything. I mean sure i fresh install drivers and keep my bios and other MB drivers up to date etc, nothing new for a pc gamer but never had any issues touch wood. I'm not messing around with AMD if their is a mere whiff of any hassle. Fine wine to me means it just took forever to get what the others do day one, yeah no you can F off with that shite. I want perfection day one not 2-3 yrs later.

[@CheungAdoniszu]

Lmao 😂 so true

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

amd stuff just works for me

[@videocardzrule354]

I’ll keep my 13900K direct die 6.1Ghz.

[@GamexJoy]

Honesty is all I seek. Thanks bud!

[@GamexJoy]

@Jesus is Lord you really don’t want to head down that road about him being God. Move on!

[@davidrollerson2240]

I agree with The game situation nothing worth playing for the upgrade at the moment. Saying driver problems again like intel and nivida don't get them bs. Had more problems with my i9.9900k and 2080ti build than anything in my life. They all have problems just seems like if amd have one it's jumped on like it's life and death. Currently have i7 12700k 3090. Gf build ryzen 9 5900x 6900xt both been solid builds no problems at all touch wood.

[@Greez1337]

There are some proto normies who know about name recognition. Where they don't know hardware, but think they "need" a specific part no matter how well they are already gaming. For instance, I had a buddy and he wanted the best value 1440p 144hz system at the time. Primarily being able to sit on the CPU for a while. I priced him a 13700K, B die, and a 6900XT on sale. He put it together and tuned it decently..... then yesterday he told me he was thinking of buying a 3090 for $1200CAD he saw listed in his area, and asked if it was a good deal.... He was raving about how he was loving his system and that it was a screamer, and then immediately sees a 3090 and goes "Is that a good deal, i'm thinking of buying it". I was cheesed but laughing at the same time. Told him if he could recoup 90% of the 6900XT cost, and talk the price down to 1k to go for it.....

[@skorpers]

3090 when you have a 6900xt can be a downgrade in some games, its sad really.

[@Greez1337]

@@skorpers I told him that. He understands now, but if he wants to do VR, Nvidia is the way to go.

[@GeneralFuct]

I thought I'd take a gamble try amd after decades of Intel, I really dislike my pc now it's just constant issues....losing hours of gaming time.

[@GTFour]

Don’t you spend ages overclocking the CPU and RAM on the Intel platform though?

[@saricubra2867]

If you tought that the 7950X sucked here for the tweaking that you have to do with Lasso, imagine if you are a music producer. I took my i7-12700K DDR5, did a partial OC to 5GHz for many cores, always boosting 24/7 with infinite TAU and i used a song with 48 tracks. CPU use reached 100% use, but i also run two 4K KZbin videos. There's nothing more annoying than an audio stutter, i have the latency set to 1.3 ms. Thread Director can't update the telemetry that fast, so every time i open a program, the audio stutters once, then it moves that program to the e-cores. But first time ever thanks to Thread Director that a CPU thread can be 100% be used for audio without anything annoying interrupting it.

[@saricubra2867]

Correction, 7950X3D.

[@tommypearson9260]

lol ,I played overwatch the other day on a Ultrawide with a 13900k stock and a 4080 Overclocked to hell i was hitting 600fps like nothing ,I felt no difference lmao

[@TecoProductions]

To feel or see any difference you got to play in a 600hz monitor. You don't see any difference because the monitor you use doesn't move that amount of fps

[@saricubra2867]

​@@TecoProductions You can feel the difference even without a 600Hz monitor because input lag is tied to how fast can a CPU handle game inputs per second. Try locking the game at 300fps, or 100fps. This is why the Nintendo Switch is the worst. Literally my console childhood was 22ms of input latency for a PS2, Gamecube and XBOX with CRT TVs and the Switch has +100ms of input delay combined with modern garbage display tech with ghosting.

[@tommypearson9260]

@@QuaK3RRR Low skilled player lol that game has the skill level or 1986 Mario Bros Overwatch doesn't need high skill ESports Games are for people who can't play anything else but that.

[@tommypearson9260]

@@TecoProductions Bro who do you know is using a 600hrz monitor 🤣🤣💀💀 Please stop saying things you have zero experience with you can have a dog shyt 60hrz and still be a better player then a guy with 144hrz but the key is refresh most people use from 100-144hrz there's not many with more then 165 - 240 hrz

[@skorpers]

@@saricubra2867 Where do you get 22ms from? games were 30 or 60 fps most of the time.

[@SammyEsq]

We shouldn't encourage AMD to think it's acceptable that self-tuning in order to get good performance is the consumer's job. I'm not for that FAFO life, if I can avoid it.

[@omarmessi7075]

hi man i just want to ask u one thing is it worth to switch from rtx 3070 to 6900xt ?? res 1080p & 1440p gaming 6900xt cost 620$ in egypt so I want to sell my rtx 3070 so what do u think is it worth it or not rtx 3070 is so strong and so perfect but i wanted something more powerful to last with me in the next years

[@milkbottle7795]

What is lasso ?

[@cuongtang9539]

If Jufes could, he would carry out an exorcism on AMD 🤣

[@myamaha62]

When people say it just has to work. My advice is to stay off the porn sites and your pc will work just fine. Also be careful about the emails you open.

[@arckie]

As a 7950x3d owner - This was legit funny. Just lasso your entire OS bro 😂 I’m not a hardware enthusiast, I’m a fucking hardware cowboy - lassoing shit left and right!

[@Pandemonium088]

With AMD ita like buying a loot box!

[@hazadus2u]

Leaning in listening then I get blasted by a commercial super loud!

[@SFAJmz05]

The more I listen to this channel, the more respect I get for this guy. Keep it up man!!!💪💪👍

[@heyitsdazy]

So many benchmarks are just beating off to high numbers. Its "bragging rights" because of leaderboards. Computer building has become like clothes in terms of being like designer handbags, in terms of sky high pricing for "better look and performance". The high-end ones look soooo cool being 4 slots big and draining so much power! Sure you can buy a decent modern $300-500 GPU... but wouldn't you rather buy a $1300 card that can run the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator at 90fps at 4K? and get wicked high numbers in a benchmark......no, not at all. I'm good with my 3070 running everything at 100 plus FPS at 1080p.

[@dragonsyph2557]

Most benchmark sites are tech illiterate idiots who use GPU bound results to imply cpus are eqaual, or CPU bound results to imply GPUs are equal. Just a bunch of idiot shills pushing products they get paid too.

[@dinkidink5912]

I got stung by the Zen3 usb issues, new 5800x B550 system randomly rebooted on me 3 or 4 times in an important league race. They eventually fixed the issue but yeah there always seems to be something with AMD.

[@Slimhanus]

Hey Jufes how can I contact you about a consult? I know you have links in the description but it does not seem to take me to the right spot. Keeps directing me to your Twitter. Any help would be amazing! Thank you so much. In need of help with my gaming pc haha

[@FrameChasers]

FrameChasers.org/consulting

[@cogthusiast1150]

After years of Intel I've gone AMD on both on my systems. 7900 and 7700X. At least I won't have to upgrade my motherboard every 5 minutes now. Couldn't be happier.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 yeah it was quite frustrating. By the time I switched on the system each time, I had to them disassemble and install the next motherboard. But in seriousness intel makes your motherboard redundant very quickly.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 it all comes down to how often one likes to upgrade and tinker

[@Krenisphia]

Most people don't upgrade their CPU every two or three generations anyway so the old "end of life MOBO support" argument is useless.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@Krenisphia not if you're someone who upgrades often. So it's not "useless"

[@lokoboymendez7743]

And paying extra for the "K" LOL

[@pdamasco]

Jensen does know but he also says weird crap like " the more you buy, the more you save". Also I'm here for the actual better performer and yes you are correct on this. Intel's chip doesn;t require you to jump through any hoops. There are probably situations where it has scheduling issues too but if they were prevelent people would have jumped in to make content talking about it...

[@terminator9099]

4090 to play on dbd hahahahaha, and europa universalis 4

[@bobsaget6720]

I wonder how many more people are going to be here from techyescitys video

[@nimbulan2020]

Yeah I'm the same way. I know how to tinker, but that's not what I want to do when I sit down to game. I have wasted so much time dealing with AMD's broken software over the past few years, my next build will definitely be Intel. It's the same reason I've stuck with nVidia for so long, it just works.

[@vincentvega3093]

Sounds like a you problem

[@nimbulan2020]

@@vincentvega3093 No, just AMD problems. It took them 3 years to fix the myriad of major BIOS issues with their x570 platform, some of which AMD refused to even acknowledge for many months, and they're still rolling out updates to this day to address less serious problems.

[@Roman00744]

I agree 100% you should have the option of it just working but that said I would also like the option to tweak some things if I want to and have time for it especially if it's something quick and easy like a small memory and CPU OC that you can do 1 time and forget about it. I have a 9900k and 6800xt system that I'm happy with the performance but the AMD bugs are annoying me and I would like the new Nvidia video upscaling thingy and I have a 3070 as well, recently saw a vid about a dual GPU system running both Nvidia and AMD GPUs so I thought I'd give it a try, use the 3070 as primary so get rid of most of the bugs, get the vid upscaling and have the option to still use the 6800xt for some games, got a 1200W PSU so power is not a problem. Did you ever try that and would you advise against it?

[@amurysmatos2874]

no point to wasted money for a new pc for the next 2 or 3 years!

[@StephenJamieson]

Works fine out of the box

[@cjceeez9897]

10:04 nice master Yoda impression 🤣

[@roythunderplump]

The best gear makes you feel better, perform better. You will run faster in a pair of Hoka vs horrid Nike's even if you have a beer gut.

[@rkneeshaw]

I thought this was frame chasers, after high FPS not game players just playing games.

[@redclaw72666]

Meaning if your not good at a game doesn't matter what fps you get lol

[@rkneeshaw]

@@redclaw72666 and if that's the case, you wouldn't bother watching "frame chasers"

[@radugrigoras]

The Just works is why nvidia can sell a GPU for more. 2hrs counts as the whole day in my book. Between the job and shit I have to do when I get home I might only get 2hrs to game on the weekends. So I’m with you, tweaking is fine, I like my rig to run as fast as possible, BUT I expect to start with a working system. Even disabling E-cores, that’s like min-maxing tweaking, do you need it? No, 2-3% ain’t going to be a game breaker, that’s just something to do when you have spare time and don’t feel like gaming. To FAFO just to get the damn thing to post and then worry about lasso and shit, nahhhh I paid them, they ain’t paying me, rather stay at work OT and get paid than to do that crap. I’m a nerd and an enthusiast, but my pleasure is in tweaking, not fixing what is supposed to be a new product. Would you treat a brand new car like that? Ohhhh just go around and re-torque all the bolts bro, it’s not that bad there are only 1500 of them. No, you take that shit back and buy what works. A Toyota. At the end of the day all your FAFOing is short lived, as soon as the new gen comes out you’re not at the top. Really it’s a wasted effort. 5min to enable xmp, boost core voltage to 1.3, lock cores to max turbo and e to 4.3, ring to 4.3, is worth it. Anything more than that, waste of your time. AMD is a waste of your time completely. Jank crap at similar prices - or in this case higher prices.

[@andreasgarth659]

you should build a church

[@tommypearson9260]

I feel if you need to use programs to isolate core performance then you shouldn't have bought it. When did gaming become so complicated 😆😆🤣🤣💀💀

[@saricubra2867]

I do music production which is LIGHTYEARS more CPU intensive than gaming. I bought my i7-12700K DDR5 specifically for the Thread Director and the perfomance for the money at the time. Literally i use an audio latency of 1.3ms, pretty constant, imagine a game with 770fps 1% lows. On audio, anything beyond 5 ms is noticiable for recording.

[@tommypearson9260]

@@saricubra2867 I agree with your purpose Isolating cores would be ideal especially the more efficient one's but for gaming it has no place.

[@saricubra2867]

@@tommypearson9260 E-cores also have a place in games, Portal 2 runs way faster than CSGO for me, it can use all of my 12 cores at least when creating a Test Chamber map, it has shorter loading times as well. Unlike CSGO, Portal 2 has real fully functional physics. On Cyberpunk 2077 and Battlefield 2042 128 player mode, the thermals and 1% lows are very good on 12 core chips. Ryzen 9 5900X is also excelent for both. They hit all of the CPU very hard.

[@saricubra2867]

@@tommypearson9260 Crysis Remastered that still has very good physics, can use all the CPU cores available, the game is very smooth even on old hyperthreaded quad cores, meanwhile Hogwarts Legacy isn't and that is just sad. On Crysis you can destroy buildings.

[@tommypearson9260]

@@saricubra2867 That game needs to be better optimized

[@crregazzamerone]

Love it!!

[@toonnut1]

Great video

[@dstmessenger5803]

0:27 😂